Plan-Z to build a fleet, disposition of the French fleet, and the beginnings of the holocaust, these facts disagree with Buchanan's theory in this column.

When I read this I wondered if Buchanan and Obama had the same history classes (they both have Columbia on their resumes).

In this column Buchanan demonstrates that he doesn't have the basic understanding of the topic.

Oh, I forgot to add that on the holocaust Meryl didn't go back far enough. By 1939 70,000 had already been killed -- in 1940 all "undesirables" were targeted. It's at the link in my post above.
David

Jay, how does this article fit in with Godwin's Law?
/sarcasm

You had me worried for a moment Jay. I was afraid you had missed the simple fact that PJB is a raging, driven, anti-Semitic.

I also went and read Life Trek's column.

Good jobs!

If all of the anti-semites die, there is going to be a lot of oil up for grabs!

Come on, Jay, you know more than anyone ([i]from personal experience[/i] no less) that [b]conservatives are prone to coming up with idiotic arguments.[/b] Don't get so upset!

As usual Herman, you focus on the exception and ignore the rule. What makes Buchanan's remarks particularly odious is that they come from a conservative, which in the main makes him the exception.

Whereas with liberals like you, Herman, anti Semitism is just another opinion you welcome into your totalitarian tent to join all of the other anti Semites and bigots. In fact the only accurate phrase in your comment was idiotic arguments, and even it missed the target.

Buchanan has always reminded me of Dick Dastardly flying The Mean Machine in the cartoon show, and of Muttley, especially when Buchanan does that little chuckle-laugh when he thinks he's being clever. (I apologize to Jack Lemmon and to all dogs for the comparisons, cartoon characters or not.)

Some ersatz Christian groups of all colors, not just TUCoC of Obama infamy, teach that Jewish priests plotted the murder of Jesus, Jews rejected their Messiah, God's Judgement is on The Jew for throwing away His Gift of eternal salvation. Most of those groups will not know, remember, or tell the theme of the story: God's Will, in The End, as in The Beginning, is to Save The Jew, who was and is The Foundation of The Path with Jesus. Any who consider themselves born-again Christians have an Eternal Debt to The Jew, whom God Loves first, and us also.

Buchanan, Wright, Obama and the like took a turn where Hate had an opportunity to rear its ugly head and "reason" with them about the unforgivable sins and crimes of The Jew. Too many like them are self-satisfied and secure in their self-ordained superiority. America is about to find out how many of these people there are when we elect the next president. The bad news, for the Jews who will vote in this election, is that they are known for the guilt complex which will cause a majority to vote contrary to their best interests. These are the same kind of Liberal Socialist Jews who trusted the rhetoric and lies of the "Liberal Socialist" Germans just a few decades ago. Strange how those Socialist groups are able to repeatedly convince such a huge number of people to submit their lives to the central committee. It never turns out well. I just hate them taking me and mine down with them.

What "Liberal Socialist" Germans? Do you mean National Socialists? They were nationalists, asshat, and they were conservatives, more opposed to Marxist ideals than any other nation at the time. Heidegger? The ubermenschen? Never mind. Get a library card.

hyper, I've long subscribed to the belief that the Nazis embodied the worst aspects of the Left and the Right. For every "right-wing" tendency of theirs, someone can cite a "left-wing" counterpart. Trying to shove them entirely into one end of the spectrum is pointless.

J.

While Churchill was definitely a imperialist born too late and a grasping dilettante responsible for an unbroken streak of hare-brained and machiavellian/disastrous "ideas" spanning both world wars from Operation Livebait (Lustania) to the Gallipoli Campaign, through to the proposed invasion of Sweden, to his proposed direct beeline into the "soft underbelly" of Europe before the Mediterranean Sea was even secured; despite all this, I do think Pat is a bit damp in his thesis.

If he were to indict Britain, he'd be on solid ground for the Anglo-Saxon financiers (including those in the US) not only financed, but then presented their work toward Germany as a geopolitical fait accompli.

I speak of the 1935 agreement (against the wishes of France) which allowed Germany a 1:3 naval tonnage allowance and an EQUAL NUMBER OF U-BOATS. Of course this killed the anti-German Locarno Pact though it lingered in an embalmed state for several more years.

Also, the UK did yeomans' work in the the USA toward crediting the Nazi government via the Young Plan and the Dawes Plan which both allowed Schacht to cook the books in Frankfort adding to Hitler's prestige from Berlin from whence he became recognized (1933-1938) as the most successful (and popular) leader in German history.

The UK, of course, later signed a defense treaty with Poland, the same Poland which had just taken a bite out of democratic Czechoslovakia's flesh along with Germany and with the connivance of...the UK.

So: no UK, no Nazis. The French would have remained in the Ruhr valley and would have kept Germany disarmed until Hitler was an old, old man. Or a corpse.

Without financing from the UK and US interests, no military machine; no military machine, no spectacular "bloodless" coups or advancements; no bloodless coups or advancements, no hornswoggling of the Prussian officer corps; no hornswoggling of the Prussian officer corps, no political career because until 1935 Hitler was easily disposed of by the military who were a government inside the government even throughout the "liberal" Wiemar Republic era. The pendulum tipped Hitler's way more and more after the Saar plebiscite. Though he assumed great power after the Enabling Act in 1933, the "indestructible" "will" of Hitler did not assume unreproachable heights until he made himself Commander in Chief of the Army and OKW in 1942. (Hitler suspected his own arrest after the invasion of USSR(1941) and upped his SS bodyguard detail to 3000! He avoided inspecting the Seigfried Line during the "phony war" because he didn't trust von Bock(?) and Hassel).

I see where Pat wants to go regarding Winston, though, who like Mario Cuomo, kept his "diary" in a loose-leaf notebook for ease of future editing and polishing-up untidy episodes. Still, I think Pat's arch-Catholism gets the best of him sometimes. I'd like to read his take on Bloody Mary Tudor or the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre before I write it off as anything more than pre-Vatican II revanchism.

Bottom line: UK's policy of playing European powers off one another in peacetime(at the expense of arch-rival (anti-Nazi) France, backfired. Big time. The UK was bankrupt and was acting out. The spoiled man-child Winston was only a symbol and a symptom.

I agree 150%, Jay Tea. I never, ever accuse conservatives of being Nazis, or fascists, even though there were many American conservatives sympathetic to the Nazis and fascists at the time. ("Paleoconservatives", to use contemporary parlance.) Exceptions made for when someone says something fascistic, of course.

When someone compares the Republicans to Nazis, it's embarrassing. It should embarrass you equally when some retard equates Barack Obama and liberal progressives with Stalinist communists. I'm no more a communist than you are a Nazi.

Right, hyperbolist... Liberal "progressives" just embrace the ideas of communism... but they're not communists!

And as for Pat, he embarrasses conservates the way that "God Hates Fags" Phelps embarrasses Baptists. Mr. Buchanan is an anti-semite P.O.S... I would love to throw him under the bus...

Not literally, of course...

(Probably)

You embrace some of the tenets of Marxism, SOTG, depending on where you feel like putting the goal posts. Adam Smith did, before Marx even wrote anything! Smith said every person has the right to exist in society in a dignified manner, and that it falls upon society to ensure that this right is upheld. FILTHY PINKO ADAM SMITH!!!!!

But seriously, thanks for entirely missing the point. I wouldn't suggest that you're a Nazi because you're a nationalistic conservative. But because I have a higher opinion of government management than you do, I'm an authoritarian. You are a very serious person indeed.

What "Liberal Socialist" Germans? Do you mean National Socialists? They were nationalists, asshat, and they were conservatives, more opposed to Marxist ideals than any other nation at the time.

The "Hitler was conservative" line is a long-cherished myth of the left. If you read what Hitler actually wrote, and the statements he actually made, you will discover that his rhetoric was very much in line with the European progressive left.

The reason he hated the Bolsheviks was not because they were opposites, but because they were rivals.