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Obama Camp Brings Change To Iraq Issue

He was against the Surge before he was for it. Okay, so he's still not for it, but Team Obama is running out sensible arguments in which to blame Bush. Reality takes away another Democrat talking point.

Before today, it said this (via Gateway Pundit):

Obama webpage pre 7-15

Now the page reads this way:

Inadequate Security and Political Progress in Iraq: Since the surge began, more than 1,000 American troops have died, and despite the improved security situation, the Iraqi government has not stepped forward to lead the Iraqi people and to reach the genuine political accommodation that was the stated purpose of the surge. Our troops have heroically helped reduce civilian casualties in Iraq to early 2006 levels. This is a testament to our military's hard work, improved counterinsurgency tactics, and enormous sacrifice by our troops and military families. It is also a consequence of the decision of many Sunnis to turn against al Qaeda in Iraq, and a lull in Shia militia activity. But the absence of genuine political accommodation in Iraq is a direct result of President Bush's failure to hold the Iraqi government accountable.

Quite a leap, going from 'Civil War' to 'Inadequate.' Next thing you'll be telling about how the Iraqis don't have adequate health care.


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And how can one have a "My ... (Below threshold)

And how can one have a "My Plan For Iraq" after NEVER setting foot in Iraq and talking to Gen. Petraeus and others involved in "the (incredibly successful) surge". And the fact that 15 out of the 18 benchmarks have been satisfactorily met, including steps toward political reconciliation and others, this just makes Obama look like an idiot to everyone but the Nutroots.

On top of that, the Obamamessiah is talking about Iraq when everybody else is talking about the economy!

Um, hello, Houston to Obama's campaign manager, we have a problem....

But this is what happens when your candidate is all talk and inflection and ZERO damn substance.

One of my employees came in... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

One of my employees came in late. He is a democrat. He told me he was late because of BUSH. Okay. I made that up, but you get the point. ww

I also can't figure out his... (Below threshold)
hermie:

I also can't figure out his 'expertise' regarding Afghanistan...Especially since the one committee which he chairs concerning Afghanistan has never held a meeting.

Maybe he was just too busy eating his waffles to have one?

"It is also a consequenc... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"It is also a consequence of the decision of many Sunnis to turn against al Qaeda in Iraq,..."

Gee. I wonder what made them decide to do that? And who helped them? And the "lull" in Shia militia activity...could it be because they were getting their arses handed to them?

Platitudes. That's all he offers here. Give the military some vague credit for their hard work, then give specific credit to the enemy for actions that he says reduced fighting.

What is this? A wet noodle-... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

What is this? A wet noodle-whipping contest? The neocon blogospere was pulled kicking and screaming to the Civil War meme and Obama's blog is slipping out the back door a year later. Touche! Tie @ 1, 2nd rd. Amoeba Open. Now let's get a bite to eat. May I suggest yakisoba?

A more telling disappearing act is McCain's from George Soros' Reform Institute masthead.

http://www.reforminstitute.org/about/AboutAdvisory.aspx

BFF Lindsay Graham is still listed there as well as half the Mexican cabinet, but "team mate" and "advisor" John McCain has poofed!

No wait! The About page says McC resigned his chair in 2005 (to run for preznit. To distance himself, I'm sure, as Rockefellerites used to have to do in the 70s and 80s to aleve any conspiratorial doubts in voters' minds.) But then McCain campaign member and Mexican national Juan Hernandez takes his place. On that Soros board! With all them Canamex libruhlz and chamber of commerce type Republicrats!

Juan Hernandez:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i7dyp_nK_Q

Back on topic bryanD (becau... (Below threshold)

Back on topic bryanD (because the topic of the post makes you so uncomfortable), Obama is moving toward the center, airbrushing his website and disappearing his criticism of the surge (as one pundit so well said it).

This Master of New Politics, Change and Hope is manifesting all of the traits of an old machine politician from Chicago. Meanwhile, McCain is just being himself....mavericky, as the press used to adulate.

Your candidate, bryan, is an empty suit, no experience (at anything but Chi town politics), teleprompter genius. He sold his voters a new suit and song in the caucus states. They are waking up now to see that they went home with the coyote candidate. Tough luck.

Yeah, but he's going to be ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Yeah, but he's going to be your President, and nothing indicates that he'll be worse than John McCain, so what are you complaining about?

Yeah, but he's going ... (Below threshold)

Yeah, but he's going to be your President, and nothing indicates that he'll be worse than John McCain, so what are you complaining about?o.

HB
Maybe yes, maybe no as to the election. We'll see.

Concerning what may or may not be worse, there are many areas for concern. I believe Obama will propose a significant tax increase if we are to take him at his word. His proposed tax increase will be on the wealthiest Americans, who already pay a vastly disporportionate amount of taxes compared to the middle class. Such a tax increase may be catastrophic for the economy.

Who knows what his position is on Iraq? I'm opposed to removing our forward force projection; I prefer to maintain a permanent base there similar historically to US bases in Europe and Asia.

He reminds me of JFK...and that is sufficient reason to be concerned from a national security perspective.

That, in short, is what I am complaining about.

LOL, hUGH S. If this campai... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

LOL, hUGH S. If this campaign were a comedy one could suspend disbelief and pretend that a web site revision makes Obama blush deep red. But even then, how can we make this plot development affect the masses of Obama voters and Obama sympathizers. After all, J.S.'s telling meme here is that Obama/O's webmaster has adjusted to reality. Does he get a tardy slip for this? Done! Now what? Repeat as necessary? You'll appear like you're out of live rounds or like a boxer fascinated with his opponents shoes in the middle of the ring.

My example, on the other hand strikes at McCain's cerebral cortex and is calculated to render him punch drunk if not make his head explode. Why? Because McCain can not win (no how) if his Soros connections become common knowledge since Soros is supposedly the Devil.

(The Obama thing rates One(1) M'eh. And THAT'S among Republicans. Democrats hope the GOPers stay thus occupied about a website. So much room for plausible deniability. Ask Cindy about her Food Network "family recipes" at MccAIN'08. Hint: she blamed the web bitch.)

FYI. I will vote for neither McCain nor Obama.
Unlike Rush Limbaugh I voted for Reagan. Twice. My piping up against false "conservatives" of the Bush-neocon stripe is due to their constant womanish fear-mongering on one hand and their petulant flaccid desire for showing off while hiding behind "the troops". Most neocons are draft dodgers from way back or congenitally risk-averse. I will always instigate against this wide-hipped breed of political terror "warriors". If I sometimes repeat certain themes, it is because these themes are found by me to be most effective in person. The honest are swayed, the compromised and closed-minded get royally peeved as they look for the nearest escape hatch.

bryanD, you forgot to pick ... (Below threshold)

bryanD, you forgot to pick up your meds again, didn't you?

Peter, Is your last ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Peter,
Is your last name Fiano?
Why? The fruity syntax. Anyway, Cassie:

Your first comment (1) betrays Tab and Ding Dong poisoning,
Your second post (10)...

Please don't waste the intertubes or Wizbang's pixel supply.

If this campaign were... (Below threshold)

If this campaign were a comedy one could suspend disbelief

This campaign is a comedy, and the suspension of disbelief among Barack voters is its nome de plume.

But even then, how can we make this plot development affect the masses of Obama voters and Obama sympathizers.

Ask me in a week. That should be sufficient time for the activist base to digest it.

My example, on the other hand strikes at McCain's cerebral cortex and is calculated to render him punch drunk if not make his head explode. ...bryan, stop writing your own review. No one is impressed.

Because McCain can not win (no how) if his Soros connections become common knowledge since Soros is supposedly the Devil.

McCain has an association with the largest 527 pimp in the world and destabilizer of foreign currencies? Claude Raines would be shocked!

Ask Cindy about her Food Network "family recipes" at MccAIN'08. Hint: she blamed the web bitch.)

No one cares about Cindy, bryan...except you. Are you looking to score some pills? You are the only commenter here that brings her up so often. Maybe Cindy ratted out some POW's ..is that it?

FYI. I will vote for neither McCain nor Obama....who cares, go outside and play. Sound familiar?

My piping up against false "conservatives" of the Bush-neocon stripe is due to their constant womanish fear-mongering on one hand and their petulant flaccid desire for showing off while hiding behind "the troops".

You didn't say what was in the other hand, but your pathetic chickenhawk argument betrays your flacid description of neo cons....which hand do the paleocons use, Einstein?

If I sometimes repeat certain themes, it is because these themes are found by me to be most effective in person.

You repeat many themes because original thought and critical thinking are strangers to you. Your comments impress the Oscar Wilde's where ever they are here, but substance is still searching for you. Style over substance impresses you as effective, but everyone else has hit the mute button.

Continue on, Holden. Salinger thought he found the perfect idiot, but Steinbeck knew a mouse mind when he saw one and you are leading the cast.


"McCain has an association ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"McCain has an association with the largest 527 pimp in the world and destabilizer of foreign currencies? Claude Raines would be shocked!"- hs

And what are arguing about again?
Oh yeah, the web guy at the web site updating things for the web while McCain and Obama trip down the yellow brick road arm and arm.

That's my point in Toto.

Face it: Hannity, et al. shot the Rev Wright wads waaay too early. That's the problem. The wife bit: waaaay too early. That'll be $150.

"...your pathetic chickenhawk argument betrays your flacid description of neo cons..."-hs

Neocons are all former Trotskyite socialists who latched on to the Republican ascendancy under Reagan, changing from "neoliberals" (think Ben Wattenberg, Scoop Jackson) into "neoconservatives" (think Jeane Kirkpatrick, late of the Young Peoples' Socialist League). Bush's braintrust were acolytes of Leo Strauss: Wolfowitz, Perle, the other fuck-ups, etc.

"Your comments impress...Oscar Wilde"-hs

Thunkyoo.

Neocons are all form... (Below threshold)

Neocons are all former Trotskyite socialists who latched on to the Republican ascendancy under Reagan, changing from "neoliberals" (think Ben Wattenberg, Scoop Jackson) into "neoconservatives" (think Jeane Kirkpatrick, late of the Young Peoples' Socialist League). Bush's braintrust were acolytes of Leo Strauss: Wolfowitz, Perle, the other fuck-ups, etc.

Thorazine, 200 mg tablets, then an apology to Jeane Kirkpatrick and Richard Perle (they were both right, after all).

Neocon, paleocon, schmeleocon....they're all the same to you, bryan. Trotsky and Kirkpatrick...yeah, that's a pair... on the grassy knoll where McCain sold out Bud Day and Stockdale, while they were sighting the rifle Oswald got from Sinatra.


Item: Richard (PNAC) Perle"... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Item: Richard (PNAC) Perle" , a TINY SAMPLE due to length of Perle's rap sheet(from evil Wiki):

"In March 2004, another New York Times article reported that, while chairman of the Defense Policy Board, Perle had contracted with the troubled telecommunications giant Global Crossing to help overcome opposition from the FBI and the Pentagon to the sale of its assets to Hong-Kong-based Hutchison Whampoa. Since the military employed the company's fiber optics network for communications, the brass argued that sale to a foreign-owned, especially Chinese, corporation would compromise national security. Perle was to be paid $125,000 to promote the deal, with an extra $600,000 contingent fee on its approval. [13] This controversy led to accusations of bribery, and Perle resigned as chairman on March 27, 2003, though he remained on the board. [14]"

"Perle advocated invading Iraq with only 40,000 troops, and complained about the calls by then Gen. Eric Shinseki to use 660,000 troops."

"...in November 2006, Perle expressed regret of his support of the invasion and faulted the "dysfunction" in the Bush administration for the troubled occupation."

"He has also been accused of spying for the Israeli government[18]."

Hugh S: "Neocon, paleocon, schmeleocon..."

Moi: I smell fear and dysfunction and attempted readministration of the cognitive dissonance helmet! Are you a "cutter", too?

Hugh S: "..on the grassy knoll where McCain sold out Bud Day and Stockdale..."

moi: Quit bogarting the Thorazine. And Bud Day and Stockdale aside, McCain collaborated 32 times. And his arms were broken during ejection. Upon requesting VIP medical treatment, McCain disappears into the void.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32.

Meanwhile, McCain has aband... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Meanwhile, McCain has abandoned his Afghanistan position and adopted Obama's.

So many soldiers killed over there as of late. RIP.

Seven retards vote "-1" aga... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Seven retards vote "-1" against bryanD's explanation of how Richard Perle came to be America's very own Ahmed Chalabi, rather than putting words on the internet for people to read.

This is why democracy sucks. It might be better than everything else, but really, some people should not be allowed to voice consent or disapproval on any subject ever.

Seven retards vote "-... (Below threshold)

Seven retards vote "-1" against bryanD's explanation of how Richard Perle came to be America's very own Ahmed Chalabi, rather than putting words on the internet for people to read.

Not everyone shares that opinion HB, but almost eberyone sees that engaging bryan in a lucid debate could be accused of retrded behavior.

Was Perle indicted? Convicted? No, he was showing good judgement in resigning, but don't let a good conspiracy get in the way of a good rant:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Defense_Policy_Board#Controversies

Jim Geraghty notes some irony:

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NGEzZThhMmJkYTAyMWQ2MzE4YWVlZjlkMjkzZDczOWI=

Hardly a settled matter, but red meat for the dogs on the grassy knoll.


You need an indictment to m... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

You need an indictment to morally indict somebody, Hugh? Come on. He's part of the PNAC. Their mission statement is available on the internet. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's people who thought they meant well (but didn't) trying to control the world from the comfy confines of a think tank. And now Iran is shaking its dick at you and there's no political or military solution to the problem. You're welcome, Israel! Thanks, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz! You guys are the bestest!




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