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This is why Michael Savage is the most hated conservative in America.

I'm embarassed that this guy is on our side. He's got more in common with the Krazy Kos Kids than conservatives. Things like this are why I'm ashamed of him.

For whatever reason, Michael Savage decided that he needed to attack the autism epidemic, saying some pretty inflammatory, insulting, and just plain wrong things. Check it out:

My first thought was, I wonder if Melissa has heard about this.

While I do agree with Savage that kids are often overdiagnosed and overtreated by idiot parents these days (hello, ADD), I don't know that autism necessarily fits into that same category. And to say that children who have autism are kids whose dads just need to tell them to "wake up and be a man" is outrageous, insulting, and just plain idiotic. What makes Michael Savage, a political commentator, some kind of expert on autism? Probably nothing except that he wanted to say something inflammatory enough that he'd get people talking. I mean, this does not equal "spoiled brat":

Autism is a severe disorder that first appears in infancy. Individuals with autism are characterized by problems with language, social bonding and imagination. All suffer from serious communication deficits, and some are mute. They do not establish close relationships with others, preferring to remain in their own mental worlds.

They engage in highly stereotyped and repetitive activities, exhibiting a marked aversion to change. About two thirds of autistic individuals are mentally retarded. For reasons that are unknown, most are male.

The causes of autism remain enigmatic, although studies of twins suggest that genetic ­factors play a prominent role. Still, genetic in­fluences alone cannot account for such a rapid and astronomical rise in a disorder's prevalence over a matter of just a few years. As a consequence, investigators have turned to environmental factors for potential explanations. The causal agents proposed include antibiotics, ­viruses, allergies, enhanced opportunities for parents with mild autistic traits to meet and mate, and, in one recent study conducted by Cornell University ­researchers, elevated rates of television viewing in infants. Few of these explanations have been investigated systematically, and all remain speculative.


But of course, to Michael Savage, this just means the kid is a spoiled brat whose parents need to stop being such pansies and hammer down the discipline. Real intelligent. I'd hate to hear what his thoughts on Down Syndrome are. The backlash is already building, but Savage is refusing to back down. Meanwhile, Autism United is hopping mad:
Michael Savage, the incendiary radio host who last week characterized nearly every child with autism as "a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out," said in a telephone interview on Monday that he stood by his remarks and had no intention of apologizing to those advocates and parents who have called for his firing over the matter.

"My main point remains true," Mr. Savage, whose radio audience ranks in size behind only those of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, said in the interview. "It is an overdiagnosed medical condition. In my readings, there is no definitive medical diagnosis for autism."

...

"He characterizes children with autism who are very, very ill -- disabled children -- as essentially bad kids; the only thing wrong with them is they have parents who don't discipline them," said John Gilmore, executive director of Autism United and the father of an 8-year-old with a diagnosis of autism. "That completely misrepresents what is going on with children with autism."

"Basically, what he's doing is parroting what used to be said about autism 40 years ago, back in the heyday of Freudian analysis," Mr. Gilmore added. "It was blamed on bad parenting. There wasn't a shred of evidence to support that."


I'm not a big fan of the new style of parenting, which usually involves giving your child anything they want if they just cry and scream enough. I'm not going to argue that there are a lot of parents who need to take more of a tough love approach with their bratty kids. But to say that an autistic child is just a brat whose parents need to tell the idiot to straighten up is ignorant and idiotic. I mean, honestly -- where does this guy get this stuff? It's crazy and moronic and hateful, and it makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever.

And this is exactly why Michael Savage is the most hated conservative in America.


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Comments (89)

I understand even more why ... (Below threshold)

I understand even more why Mark Levin refers to him as "weiner nation".

cant believe no one believe... (Below threshold)
JMG:

cant believe no one believes in free speech anymore... all of you so called conservatives have played directly into "Media Matters" trap! ...good job

o yea and if you actually l... (Below threshold)
JMG:

o yea and if you actually listened to his show ever, and not just the clips recorded by liberals, you would see that he is a little bit more qualified in the medical field than you think

At least he's not a racist ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

At least he's not a racist like Rush Limbaugh.

From the unhinged comments ... (Below threshold)
Master Shake:

From the unhinged comments so far, are you sure Savage isn't Ron Paul in disguise?

I'll play apologist for a s... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

I'll play apologist for a second here.

The definition of autism has been expanded to basically include a much larger array of people such as those who have OCD or Social Awkwardness but otherwise normal or even above normal IQs. Just about anything that is onset at birth that can be attributed to a medical factor instead of an environmental factor is called autism.

In that sense, I agree the term autism has been overused because much of the general public still perceive autism is as only applied to the intellectually impaired. They don't think of the straight A nerd with the bug collection and no friends as being 'autistic' which is how he might be described today. The sympathy for the former garners more interest and dollars than the latter.

My guess that is what Savage was ranting about. Although his style eclipses his point often.

I love how people like dave... (Below threshold)

I love how people like dave throw stuff out like that and never back it up.

o yea and if you actuall... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

o yea and if you actually listened to his show ever, and not just the clips recorded by liberals, you would see that he is a little bit more qualified in the medical field than you think

Oh, please. Dr. Weiner (his real name) has degrees in medical biology, medical anthropology, and nutritional ethnomedicine (WTF is that?). So, if you need a go-to guy to figure out what herbs to take to get rid of your gout, that would be him.

But for autism, I want someone more qualified. Like a neurosurgeon.

cant believe no one beli... (Below threshold)
Dave:

cant believe no one believes in free speech anymore... all of you so called conservatives have played directly into "Media Matters" trap! ...good job

jmg,

You're the one sounding like an anti-free speech advocate. I beleive free speech gives everyone the right criticize those we disagree with, even conservatives such as Michael Savage. No one said Savage should not be allowed to act like an idiot on the radio.

I love how people like d... (Below threshold)
Dave:

I love how people like dave throw stuff out like that and never back it up.

For one he plays KKK type songs about Obama. You happy now.

Ok as the father of a sever... (Below threshold)
MunDane:

Ok as the father of a severely autistic child, I have to say...

Nah. This is stupid. This is akin to Coulter's "camel jockeys" reference. And his masters is Medical Botany, not biology.

His audience will be all over this like white on rice. Good luck to them.

"KKK type song"...well it w... (Below threshold)

"KKK type song"...well it was the LA Times that called him the "magic negro" nitwit. It's called satire...look it up.

Autism is the most extreme ... (Below threshold)
SarahConnor2:

Autism is the most extreme form of the pervasive developmental disorder (PDD) spectrum and the problem is that nowadays the term autism is used to describe people with varying severities of PDD. If Savage has spent any time with a child with an accurate diagnosis of autism, he should realize how ignorant his comments were. There are also extremely clear behavioral criteria for diagnosing autism; while blood or other lab tests are not used to diagnose it, that does not mean "There is no definitive medical diagnosis for autism".

I thought Ann Coulter was t... (Below threshold)
Abigail:

I thought Ann Coulter was the most hated conservative. Or are these two having a competition to see who can win that coveted position?

Sorry, but autism is ADD of... (Below threshold)

Sorry, but autism is ADD of the 2000s.

A guy who I used to work with had a daughter who held coversations, had friends in school, but the doctor worried was "austistic". The guy was a basket case, sending her to all sorts of tests (by definition if she was talking and had friends, then she didn't have this).

A friend's boy didn't talk to after he was two. Autism was thrown around. At eight today he is a bright, articulate kid. Worried the parents for nothing (he talked late - like Einstein)

And then you have all the moonbats who won't vaccinate their kids because of the so-called "autism-vaccination" link.

I'm sorry, but this is one "disease" that is thrown around like ADD - something to scare parents and then get their kids into treatment. This is a serious and debilitating problem, but I don't believe that it has grown by some 1000% in the last decade as some would have you believe.

What it does is belittle the poor people who do have the condition.

StevefromMKE,Rush ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

StevefromMKE,

Rush Limbaugh is undeniably a racist. If you support Rush, then you support racism. Here are some more racist comments from Rush Limbaugh.

"Take that bone out of your nose and call me back"

"Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

When the Carol Moseley-Braun was the first black woman ever elected to the US Senate Limbaugh kept playing the "Movin' On Up" theme song from TV's "Jeffersons".

Song on his web site about Reverand Al Sharpton:
"R-E-S-P-E-C-K. Wha-choo mean it ain't spelt that way? R-E-S-P-E-K-T? I need a dictionary!"

And don't forget Rush resigning from his ESPN post for making racially charged comments.

"KKK type song"...well i... (Below threshold)
Dave:

"KKK type song"...well it was the LA Times that called him the "magic negro" nitwit. It's called satire...look it up.

OK, I will look it up.

Racist - a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

Satire - the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.

Rush Limbough is definitely a racist satirist. He's using satire to make fun of black people. Simply saying it's a joke does not make it not racist. Where are your values man.

"Rush Limbaugh is undeni... (Below threshold)

"Rush Limbaugh is undeniably a racist."

That would be a surprise to "Mr. Snerdley". If you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd know who I'm referring to.

It would also be a shock to Walter E. Williams, a frequent guest host for Rush Limbaugh when Limbaugh is on vacation.

He also quotes Thomas Sowell quite frequently.

Would a racist work daily with a black person? Would a racist ask a black person to fill in for him at his job? Would a racist quote from and speak respectfully and reverently of a black person's work, regardless of whether he agrees with his opinions or not?

Most importantly, would these guys tolerate Limbaugh if Limbaugh really was a racist?

I don't think so.

Our first two children were... (Below threshold)
Alan Orfi:

Our first two children were diagosed as autistic. After much consultation with various experts, we adopted a "tough love" regimen not all that far from what Dr. Savage discussed. We also refused all medications related to the "autism". Two years later, both of our children are being homeschooled at home and testing above average. We spent virtually every waking hour with them and were "in their face" about every little detail at first, but were able to slowly ebb this micromanagment of their every action. This worked for us. I'm not saying there is no such thing as autism as Dr. Savage suggested, but we had our first two children labelled as such and they are now perfectly normal, interactive little kids.

I used to listen to him on ... (Below threshold)
BlueNight:

I used to listen to him on a fairly regular basis, but around 2004 or so, he turned into some bitter, broken old man.

In this case, he's wrong, but the people calling him on it are wrong too. Thomas Jefferson, who has been posthumously diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome (like myself) turned out okay, but that doesn't mean he didn't have his difficulties.

Unfortunately, I was misdiagnosed with ADD/ADHD, and I was treated as a regular kid with behavioral issues, not a neurally-different kid with learning issues. I can "get" almost any theory you can throw at me, but I have no instincts for social appropriateness or social insight.

If I had been correctly diagnosed, I might have been a PhD by now, instead of working at a copy shop. Of course, that would have required our school district to have a FUNCTIONAL autism program.

CORRECT diagnosis is the first step toward an educational plan that results in a Jefferson.

C'mon Tom. Be serious. You ... (Below threshold)
Clay:

C'mon Tom. Be serious. You know that Mr. Snerdley, Walter E. Williams, and Thomas Sowell aren't really black men. They can't be.

Sheesh. Even Clarence Thomas is whiter than Edgar Winter.

Ask Sharpton. He'll tell you that no black man can be successful on his own merit. And these guys are successful...on their own. Impossible!

/sarc off/

If you support Rush, the... (Below threshold)
Clay:

If you support Rush, then you support racism.

What if you support Robert Byrd? How about Al Gore, Sr.?

Oh, and Cleavon Little in t... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Oh, and Cleavon Little in that satirical film Blazing Saddles. I think he thought he was funny.

Bart: Are we awake?
Jim: We're not sure. Are we... black?
Bart: Yes, we are.
Jim: Then we're awake... but we're very puzzled.

[Bart returns unexpectedly after being sentenced to death]
Charlie: They said you was hung.
Bart: And they was right.

Simply saying it's a joke does not make it not racist.

Preach it, brother.

Where are your values man.

Out with your humor? And they've been gone an awful long time.

"R-E-S-P-E-C-K. Wha-choo... (Below threshold)
Clay:

"R-E-S-P-E-C-K. Wha-choo mean it ain't spelt that way? R-E-S-P-E-K-T? I need a dictionary!"

That reminds me of Eddie Murphy's satirical character, Tyrone Greene:

"Images by Tyrone Greene"

Dark and lonely on a summer's night.
Kill my landlord. Kill my landlord.
Watchdog barking. Do he bite?
Kill my landlord. Kill my landlord.
Slip in his window. Break his neck.
Then his house I start to wreck.
Got no reason. What the heck?
Kill my landlord. Kill my landlord.
C-I-L-L my land lord!

Seriously, what were Little... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Seriously, what were Little and Murphy saying? Were they making fun of black people? Or is it that they were making fun of what people think of black people?

How about Limbaugh? Can you use your pea-brain and think of something else besides "he's making fun of black people"? Could he be saying that Jesse Jackson is more of a criminal than an advocate, because he's robbing young black men of a future while enslaving them to a life of victimhood? Could he simply be saying that Sharpton is an idiot who can't spell? Could he be saying that the NAACP's continued power base depends on the angst of young black men?

Who's the racist? Thomas Sowell or Jesse Jackson? Juan Williams calls out the so-called leaders of black activism for not challenging young black men to reach for their potential - and he's called Uncle Tom?

What a friggin' world.

Sorry, Cassy. I keep messin... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Sorry, Cassy. I keep messing up your comment threads.

Alright then. Carry on.

I have to conclude that ver... (Below threshold)

I have to conclude that very few of Wizbang's commenters have ever seen a kid diagnosed with autism.

"Mr. Savage, whose radio au... (Below threshold)
groucho:

"Mr. Savage, whose radio audience ranks in size behind only those of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity"

That's the scariest sentence in the whole piece.

"Mr. Savage, whose radio... (Below threshold)
Dave:

"Mr. Savage, whose radio audience ranks in size behind only those of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity"

Savage, Rush, Hannity they are all part of the looney right.

"I have to conclude that... (Below threshold)

"I have to conclude that very few of Wizbang's commenters have ever seen a kid diagnosed with autism."

Careful with that broad brush. One of my neighbor's kids has autism; he delivers the local newspaper. My wife is also an Occupational Therapist and has treated her fair share of autistic patients.

Perhaps I'm one of the "very few", but what makes the difference?

As far as Cassie's post goes, I've never been a Savage fan and this is a good example as to why.

"I have to conclude that... (Below threshold)
Dave:

"I have to conclude that very few of Wizbang's commenters have ever seen a kid diagnosed with autism."

You just now came to the conclusion that very few Wizbang commenters no what there talking about. Jeez, I've known that for months. Well, better late then never.

"You just now came to th... (Below threshold)

"You just now came to the conclusion that very few Wizbang commenters no what there (sic) talking about. Jeez, I've known that for months. Well, better late then never."

You're a glutton for punishment. First, I'll get the minor issue out of the way. Your usage of the word "there" is incorrect; you should've used the word "they're". Second, you attempted to label Limbaugh as a racist, but some irritating facts got in your way, and ironically, shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. Third, you resort to insults when you've lost the argument and have nothing better to say.

How embarrassing for you.

I forgot one thing Dave. Y... (Below threshold)

I forgot one thing Dave. Your use of the word "then" in the sentence above is incorrect as well. The correct usage is "than".

You sure are representing well.

The more I read posts like ... (Below threshold)
Baggi:

The more I read posts like this by "conservative" women, the more I lament at how weak and pacified we've become in the United States. All sorts of talk/dialoge is ruled out of bounds because of the sensitivity of women.

When will it stop?

How embarrassing for you... (Below threshold)
Clay:

How embarrassing for you.

He should be embarrassed, but I doubt he possesses the cognitive skills required to get there.

Tom,Nobody has pos... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Tom,

Nobody has posted anything that disputes that people who make racists comments are not racists. Hiring a handful of black employees does not change the fact that Rush Limbaugh regurely makes racists comments. And that my friend makes him a racist.

Dave, you do your cause no ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Dave, you do your cause no good by shouting racist at the slightest provocation or by cheapening the true definition of racism. Unless you can prove (something you have not done here) that Rush sees his own race as superior or that he makes fun of someone solely because of their color, and not their actions, you are blowing smoke out of your nether region. That you would call Rush a racist for ridiculing an obvious racist like Jackson or Sharpton is particularly funny.

Tom,You can't win ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Tom,

You can't win an argument on logic so you attack my grammar.

P.S.

"You sure are representing well." is not a well formed sentence.

Oyster,Unless you ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Oyster,

Unless you can prove (something you have not done here) that Jackson or the good Reverand Al Sharpton sees his own race as superior or that he makes fun of someone solely because of their color, and not their actions, you are blowing smoke out of your nether region.

Even if you can prove Jackson or Reverand Al Sharpton are racists it does not prove Rush Limbaugh is not a racist.

Dave:Once again, y... (Below threshold)

Dave:

Once again, you're speaking in generalities and you give examples out of context. When Rush Limbaugh points out the absurdity of comments from the Left, it's not racism. I gave you specific examples and pointed out that the people I mentioned have no problem with Limbaugh, and continue their professional relationships with him in spite of your claims. If Limbaugh was truly a racist as you say, they'd have repudiated him long ago.

Give it up. You don't know what you're talking about and you're just parroting what you've heard from others. It's boring. Plus, you can't spell. "No" instead of "know" and "regurely" instead of "regularly". It's painful just attempting to decipher what you're trying to say.

Clay is right.

Tom,you resort ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Tom,

you resort to insults when you've lost the argument and have nothing better to say

When Rush Limbaugh resorts to insulting black people is that also because he lost the argument and has nothing better to say? I'd really like to hear you defend that one.

"You can't win an argume... (Below threshold)

"You can't win an argument on logic so you attack my grammar."

And you have the nerve to call the right looney. Which you happened to do when you lost the argument on logic.

"You sure are representing well." is not a well formed sentence."

No kidding. It's called, "a figure of speech".

Have a great day in your nutty world, Dave.

Tom,I gave you ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Tom,

I gave you specific examples and pointed out that the people I mentioned have no problem with Limbaugh

Pointing out a few black people that financially benefit from their association with the racist Rush Limbaugh does not prove anything.

The <a href="http://www.aut... (Below threshold)

The Autism Hub, a collection of blogs by autistic individuals and those who care for them if any of you are interested in what they have to say about this matter.

"When Rush Limbaugh reso... (Below threshold)

"When Rush Limbaugh resorts to insulting black people is that also because he lost the argument and has nothing better to say? I'd really like to hear you defend that one."

Re-read the comments, Dave. "When Rush Limbaugh points out the absurdity of comments from the Left, it's not racism." The specific example with that is the liberal black writer from the liberal-leaning LA Times calling Barack Obama the "Magic Negro", and Limbaugh playing a parody song of that comment on his show. As stated before, it's satire, and if you don't get it, the joke's on you.

I disagree with your presumption that he "lost the argument".

Goodbye, Dave.

Tom,Have a grea... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Tom,

Have a great day in your nutty world, Dave

By your own reasoning you just demonstrated that you lost the argument.

Remember saying "you resort to insults when you've lost the argument and have nothing better to say."

Tom,You did it aga... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Tom,

You did it again! You accussed me of doing something then you did it yourself.

And you have the nerve to call the right looney

I did not call the right looney. I have many republican friends whom I respect. I called Savage, Rush, Hannity looney.

Tom,Stop taking wh... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Tom,

Stop taking what I say out of context. That is what you are accusing me of doing.

Tom,When Rush L... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Tom,

When Rush Limbaugh points out the absurdity of comments from the Left, it's not racism

Nothing justifies racism, even if its to point out what one considers to be absurd. Rush's comments are racist.

You're toast, Dave. Quit di... (Below threshold)
Clay:

You're toast, Dave. Quit digging.

What's the matter, Dave? D... (Below threshold)

What's the matter, Dave? Don't like your own tactics used against you?

"Savage, Rush, Hannity they are all part of the looney right."

Perhaps you should be more careful with how you construct your sentences. I read that as you lumping Savage, Rush, and Hannity into the "looney right", with everyone on the right being "looney". Reading it again, I can see where you would try to claim that's not the case, however your M.O. so far has been to simply insult and take cheap shots whenever you can.

I try to avoid insults until the other party starts and continues using them. Does that justify the activity? No, but what did you expect?

"Stop taking what I say out of context."

That's just your imagination working overtime. Just as it does when you claim Limbaugh is a racist.

What's the matter, Dave?... (Below threshold)
Dave:

What's the matter, Dave? Don't like your own tactics used against you?

I did not take anything out of context. There is no context that justifies racism. You accused me of doing so and I pointed out an example of you doing it.

The Basics of Debate:</b... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

The Basics of Debate:

1. Be on Topic. The topic is the behavior and tone of Dr. Michael Savage.

2. When a claim is made, the burden of proof rests on the claimant. If you accuse someone of racism, you cannot demand the other prove you wrong, you must prove your contention with evidence and substance. Uncited accusations do not constitute valid evidence.

3. Order. Personal attacks defeat the integrity of your own argument.

4. Resolution is indefinite. Where there are no pre-designated judges, there is no score measure or standard, and therefore there is no 'winner', except for the internal logic of the argument.

5. The debate is ongoing. Credentials and reputation are made through one's conduct in such debates. Failure to support your argument and personal attacks will diminsh credibility, while reasoned arguments and self-control increase that measure.

Tom,I read that... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Tom,

I read that as you lumping Savage, Rush, and Hannity into the "looney right", with everyone on the right being "looney".

When you here the phrase looney left do you also read that to be all democrats, or just people that are on the far left, such as Code Pink.

Sigh."I did not... (Below threshold)

Sigh.

"I did not take anything out of context."

Just those "examples of racism" by Limbaugh you mentioned. But those don't really count, right?

Good grief.

Thank you, DJ.... (Below threshold)

Thank you, DJ.

Michael Savage is nothing b... (Below threshold)

Michael Savage is nothing but a loon who wants to make the world fit his view just by shouting loud enough over and over his view and thinking we will eventually give up.

I am the father of an Autistic child and have fought to balance the line between too hard on him and not hard enough. My wife and I have also struggled with ignorance on the part of his educators.

His school system diagnosed him as being autistic, however his third grade teacher felt his problem was just a discipline problem no matter how much I tried to explain the different kinds of discipline we had tried at home (everything from love and logic to corporal punishment). Things eventually came to a head when the teacher was having a screaming match with my son in front of his elementary school. She is the lucky one as Autistic kids can snap and she could have very easily wound up getting her eyes clawed.

While Mr. Savage (he doesn't deserve the respect to be called doctor) may feel there is no definitive diagnosis for Autism, just because the criteria is broad, doesn't mean there is nothing to it. Don't blame the children who have to live with this day in and day out just because DOCTORS don't understand it.

I have watched my son sleep on a table because it was more soothing to him than his bed. I have watched him cringe in pain and cover his ear when guest singers have sang at church. I have watched him lay awake at night because we got him a CD to listen to to help him sleep, only he couldn't because he spent the whole night listening to the CD over and over again. Concentrating on it so hard, sleep would not come.

Michael Savage you are an ignorant fool.

You want proof of Jackson's... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

You want proof of Jackson's or Sharpton's racism?

"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it." - Al Sharpton 1994 (if this isn't a demonstration of thinking one race is superior over another, I don't know what is.)

"We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." - Al Sharpton 1995

"If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house." - Al Sharpton

"acting like he's white" - Jesse Jackson on Obama (because Obama didn't share his outrage over the trouble the Jena six got themselves into.)

There's plenty more, but you get my point.

Your comment:
"Pointing out a few black people that financially benefit from their association with the racist Rush Limbaugh does not prove anything."

Oh, so now you're disparaging their character. Why, I could construe that as a racist comment you know....

I think we can all agree th... (Below threshold)

I think we can all agree that Savage was out of line, and the best thing that can happen is that his show loses enough listeners because of these comments to be taken off the air.

Sorry, I'll shut up now. G... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Sorry, I'll shut up now. Got carried away.

I think we can all agree... (Below threshold)
Clay:

I think we can all agree that Savage was out of line, and the best thing that can happen is that his show loses enough listeners because of these comments to be taken off the air.

Yep on that. Although there are elements of Baggi's comment (#34) that hold some appeal.

Of course, it could just be that I'm having a bad morning.

I have a son on the autism ... (Below threshold)
Big Mo:

I have a son on the autism spectrum (PDD-ONS), and I tell you, when I read what Savage said I wanted to kick his ass.

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

Are some kids over-medicated? You bet. But many of them AREN'T. A smug jerk like Savage should spend a week in my house with my son sans medication and we'd see how far his stupid tough guy act gets him.

(BTW, I once tried listening to Savage then turned him off--permanently--after five minutes when he said something to the effect that everyone with AIDS deserved it and deserved to die. Or something like that. Can;t remember the exact thing.)

Wow! So to magically "cure... (Below threshold)
AJG:

Wow! So to magically "cure" my son from his neurological disorders of PPD-NOS and ADHD, all I have to do is call him a sissy and act like I don't care about him? Wow, I wonder why none of the specialists we've dealt with these past 6 years have ever shared that gem of knowledge??

I certainly don't support S... (Below threshold)
CarlF:

I certainly don't support Savage's comments, but I believe there's a bigger issue behind them. I think the Savage has never learned to cope with the death of his older, autistic brother.

I dunno, maybe I'm having t... (Below threshold)

I dunno, maybe I'm having too good of a summer vacation and am missing something.
These right wing radio guys are nothing more than entertainers........if they get the ratings of an Air America loser host then they are like a tree falling in the woods with no one to hear them.

Break down........

Michael Savage.......entertains the disenfranchised independant & conservative with the anger shtick. Smart and funny sometimes.

Rush Limbaugh........truly entertains with humor while giving the listener the impression that any failed DJ can do his program with a little bit of reading and a big staff.

Sean Hannity..........patronize your conservative audience, give long perorations reinforcing your audience's views.

Laura Ingraham..........appeal to the goody two shoes element while again, mixing humor with politics....interrupt guests proving anyone can be a radio star without respect for the craft honed by the greats of the past.

Mark Levin........imitate the great Bob Grant...create the funniest insulting pseudonyms for humorless lefties and hang up on the dummies.

Most of all for all of these hosts, except maybe Hannity, wallow in your self importance.The point is they are entertainers looking for ratings.........period.

I think Savage approaches issues in very anecdotal terms at times. Talk about a non issue.

And BTW, I listen occasionally to all of the hosts mentioned. A good listen all of them at times.
I still think Tammy Bruce is the most talented of the syndicated broadcasters out there.

BTW, just to clarify so as ... (Below threshold)

BTW, just to clarify so as not to be insensitive to parents of autistic kids.....God bless you for your dedication;
When I said Savage gets anecdotal I meant he's got this thing about over drugging kids and maybe he was over simplifying on a particular issue. His audience expects him to see things through the prism of doctor's conspiracies and corruption.
My point still is these guys and gals are filling the hours on the air with something to get the ratings.

I thhink Frank Zappa said there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Following sent to local rad... (Below threshold)
L K:

Following sent to local radio station.
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Regarding the complaints I am hearing the last couple days about Michael Savage and his comments on autism.

Please DO NOT listen to the kooks that want him off the air.

Please DO NOT take him off the air.

He is the best voice of reason we have on the radio who is not afraid to speak the truth about not only autism, but everything else.

Why is it some people become incensed when they hear the truth? Please do not remove the truth from your station just because complaints come in. If they want to disagree, then fine. Let them get on the radio and voice their opinion, why they disagree, etc.

Michael Savage does not call for people who disagree with him to be barred from talking. These complainers are ridiculous, and mostly it is because they cannot stand the truth when it puts them in the spotlight.

We need someone exactly like Michael Savage, who, even on the rare occasions he may be wrong, makes everyone think about all the problems.

In a hate filled broadcast... (Below threshold)
Father of an autistic Son:

In a hate filled broadcast a failed author moonlighting as a shock jock attacks children disabled by autism and insults their parents saying their lack of mental abuse towards children such as insults and name calling, how he was raised, has merely made them brats with parents running a racket and scam against the system. He compares it to how asthma is abused and accuses non-Caucasian races of using that as their racket to scam money and services.

Dr. Michael Alan Weiner A.K.A. Michael "Savage" is an uninformed loudmouth who abuses the limits of basic respect to garner publicity for himself. He will spew whatever he has to as the attention brings him hits for those foolish enough to advertise and associate with him. Under the First Amendment he has a right to this free speech and as consumers we have a right to not only boycott his foolish books but every single business that advertises with him and any subsidiary of them. Give them not a single penny more. Write to them and let them know you are boycotting them and starting a boycott movement in your social circle against them for their blatant support and standing firmly by the fecal matter falling out of Weiner's mouth. No revenue means he becomes a liability and loses funding to pursue his personal vendetta against everybody else in the world. This is the only true way to "fire" vermin like Weiner.

Free speech should be protected even when abused by blowhards like Weiner. But that does not mean as consumers and decent citizens and human beings we cannot organize in mass groups like the NAACP and move to stop giving one cent to any business that supports him. Rosa Parks. Montgomery, Alabama 1955. We can fight back and force our views to be heard and respected.

Please pass this along to everybody you know through email, blogs, other sites, comments, word of mouth and any other means of communication possible. If you know the businesses supporting Michael Weiner with advertising please include them as things are passed along so a list can grow of who will never see another penny while they support this misguided cretin.

I've made some observations... (Below threshold)
Clay:

I've made some observations about myself this morning. In the interest of confession being good for the soul and all, I've decided to put my thoughts in words, more for myself than anyone.

My father retired as an engineer from International Harvester after 38 years. He spent his senior trip in Korea, and married my mom upon his return. I've seen my father cry on only three occasions in my life: The day the last production Scout rolled off the assembly line in Fort Wayne on October 21, 1980 (Tug McGraw striking out Willie Wilson, resulting in the defeat of his beloved Royals in the World Series that evening didn't help), the day my grandfather died in 1993, and the day my younger brother, Chuck, was diagnosed with autism some 40 years ago. My mother immersed herself in researching my brother's enigmatic condition and collected what little information was available in those days. The common clinical assessment then was that autism was usually the mother's fault in that the mother's failure to bond with her infant resulted in this emotional ailment. This discovery was devastating to her and, in many ways, she has never truly recovered. My father obsessed with following all the what if scenarios to all of the logical conclusions. I balled up my fists and didn't relax them for a very long time.

So , how did I not comment on my brother's autism this morning? Why did I not express my intimate knowledge of his (and my own) struggle instead of busying myself with the ancillary topic of racism? Well, that's the confession part.

I recall a Boy Scout meeting when I was about 12 years old. I was in formation with my patrol as the scoutmaster addressed us and our families. Out of the corner of my eye I glimpsed my 7-year old brother on one end of the gymnasium attempting to grasp an object above his head that only could be seen by him. As I was praying that he wouldn't be noticed by anyone, a couple of boys in my patrol became aware of his writhing and stretching for the phantom object. One boy started to snicker. I responded by shoving him to the floor as I bloodied his nose and mouth with a frenzied flurry of fists. I still vividly see the shocked expressions of the men who pulled me off the boy, and how those expressions quickly turned into disapproving glares and sharp condemnation. It wasn't the first time I was met with those expressions under similar circumstances, nor would it be my last.

Throughout most of my childhood, I believed that I was my brother's protector. With my fists, and whatever else was handy, I would eradicate any inclination by anyone to mock my brother. I love my brother. I am amazed at his gentleness of spirit. Over the years, I have treasured each and every brief moment when his world intersected mine. Those are cherished moments when he recognized me, if even so transient, and I've collected them as some collect rare coins or beach glass. But, it is my belief that we are ill-equipped to experience and practice pure love in this world. Our love can be so easily corrupted by our own pride and other forces that seek to destroy the beauty that we hold dear. I gradually became aware of a dark and ugly place in my heart. While my love for him was strong, I also came to understand that in some ways I was also very much ashamed, and that much of my anger found its source in that shame. The revelation that I was more the guardian of my own pride than my brother's protector was devastating and it has taken a long time to come to terms. But, I have. Although, after this morning, I wonder how much of the guilt and pain remain.

It's difficult for me to say anything against Michael Savage for his grossly insensitive comments about autism, especially in light of the fact that I probably have more in common with him than I care to admit. He also grew up with autism. Time has picked at the scabs of my heart, and has left some very tender spots. Part of what I think he is unconsciously saying is that the pedestrian use of the term autism somehow minimizes the suffering of those who have been correctly diagnosed, as well as the suffering of their families. It's painful, but as I hear Savage's comments I'm reminded of a 12-year old boy at a Boy Scout meeting whose anger overflowed onto the path ahead of him, for a very long time.

I apologize for the length of my comment. I needed to say this and explain why I avoided this subject today. To myself at least.

Just to clarify my point, I... (Below threshold)

Just to clarify my point, I'm not implying Savage be taken off the air or his show be "barred". I am hoping he loses so many listeners that it won't be fiscally responsible for radio stations to carry his show.

There is a huge difference.

Cassy, I also apologize for... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Cassy, I also apologize for comment #61. I am without excuse.

Snerdley isn't a real perso... (Below threshold)
PookieJ:

Snerdley isn't a real person.

I wish the term "conservati... (Below threshold)

I wish the term "conservative" were only applied to the responsible and intellectuals such as George Will, and not applied to hoodlum shock jocks and bigots who pollute the airwaves. But some people will listen to anything, partly because the shocking broadcasters are so entertaining compared to the intelligent persons who really know what they're talking about.

It is also these shocking broadcasters that are fueling speculation about a return to "the fairness doctrine" because of their abuse of the airwaves which is outside of the legal bounds of indecency or obscenity, yet offensive to so many persons.

I'm certainly opposed to "the fairness doctrine" on 1st Amendment grounds. But I'm also concerned how some irresponsible broadcasters are fueling some bigoted and dangerous notions in the minds of some of their listeners. I personally know of one such broadcaster who constantly uses the "N" word around his home and with friends to refer to African Americans and yet is often called on by CNN and other important news stations to comment. There is no way that such a person can be an objective and fair voice on matters. Yet his listeners don't seem to get a clue what moltivates him is largely racial hatred. This is very sad that many persons care to listen to this stuff when broadcasters of far better character certainly exist.

"...genetic in­fluences... (Below threshold)
John S:

"...genetic in­fluences alone cannot account for such a rapid and astronomical rise in a disorder's prevalence over a matter of just a few years..."

Whenever there is a "rapid and astronomical rise" in any disorder there's either federal money to be had, a drug company getting rich, or both. I expect there's very good reason to be skeptical.

Clay, I don't think you hav... (Below threshold)

Clay, I don't think you have anything to be ashamed of regarding your behavior as a 12 year old. Rightfully defending your brother, who had no means to defend himself, was a good thing. Maybe the fighting could have been avoided, but don't be too hard on yourself. 12 is a very difficult age.

Your comment touched a chord in me. I have 2 sons, one "typical" and one with severe autism. The 13 year old (typical) has much love for his 11 year old brother, and has grown up in a time when his brother is a lot more understood. He has an almost built-in sensitivity that many never achieve in a lifetime of experiences.

Now, on to Savage. I am embarrassed that he is considered a conservative, just because some of his views intersect with mine. I cannot listen to him, and I always change the staion the moment Hugh Hewitt signs off. I hope that Salem Broadcasting drops him. Now some of you idiots may call this censorship, but only government can censor.

Whenever there is a "rap... (Below threshold)

Whenever there is a "rapid and astronomical rise" in any disorder there's either federal money to be had, a drug company getting rich, or both. I expect there's very good reason to be skeptical.

Sorry to disappoint but there is no money for parents or autistic individuals in autism (unless you want to count those few who are suing over claims of vaccine injury). No money for drug companies either. There are no drugs currently approved to treat autism. There is no indication that autism is something that would respond to a magic pill anyway given that current research indicates that autism is the result of a wide variety of genetic variations, both spontaneous and inherited. There are some drugs approved to treat conditions that can occur alongside autism such as depression and anxiety (who wouldn't be depressed and anxious given the way that autism is portrayed in popular culture).

Anyone interested in the evolution of autism as a diagnosis can take a look at the book Unstrange Minds by Roy Grinker.

Clay,Perhaps you s... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Clay,

Perhaps you should to do a little more soul searching. You say Michael Savage is grossly insensitive in his remarks about autism. Black people feel the same way about Rush Limbough. Ask yourself why its wrong for Michael Savage but funny when Rush Limbaugh makes racially insensitive remarks about black people.

Dave Dave Dave ... our post... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Dave Dave Dave ... our poster boy for can't catch a clue ...

DJ,Personal attack... (Below threshold)
Dave:

DJ,

Personal attacks defeat the integrity of your own argument.

"Snerdley isn't a real p... (Below threshold)

"Snerdley isn't a real person."

The name isn't real. The person is.

I'm really surprised Savage... (Below threshold)

I'm really surprised Savage has lasted as long as he has. Anger, whether shtick or not, doesn't have much longevity. It's tiresome.

Snerdley is a name Rush mad... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Snerdley is a name Rush made up to refer to his phone call screeners. There have actually been several Snerdleys. The longest running was Bo Snerdley, whose real name was James Golden.

Yes, Dave. I'm aware.... (Below threshold)

Yes, Dave. I'm aware.

That would be a surprise... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

That would be a surprise to "Mr. Snerdley". If you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd know who I'm referring to.

That, I presume, is James Golden in this case, his call screener. In fact, has been his call screener for nearly his entire run. And, no, he ain't white.

Snerdley isn't a real pe... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Snerdley isn't a real person.

No, there is a real call screener there, anyone who does the screening on his show is called "Bo Snerdley". The usual screener is James Golden.

Michael Alan Wiener a liber... (Below threshold)

Michael Alan Wiener a liberal neocon acting like a conservative. All he cares about is Israel, period. I have him pegged as a closet homo and a former cack sucker who hates himself and everyone around him. Wiener nation indeed!
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Absolutely DISGUSTING! How... (Below threshold)
Amy:

Absolutely DISGUSTING! How dare this man even BEGIN to discuss autistic children as brats who need to straighten out and quit acting like idiots. My son is only 2 years old and he is FAR from anything considered a brat. And as far as my parenting is concerned, I give him nothing but love and affection, yet I am also strict and fair. My son shows me tons of affection, and yes even though he doesn't speak, he is intelligent enough to communicate in many other ways. So for this man telling us to tell our children to "straighten up and act like a man," is utterly disgraceful, and symbolizes parenting at it's WORST! No matter WHICH child, normal, autistic or otherwise, you do not speak to them like he suggests. If his parenting styles are true to his own, I would be embarrassed to be a part of Mr. Savage's family. Also, as far as I'm concerned, this man should be absolutely ashamed with his comments! Sometimes it may even be difficult to get a diagnosis from these families own pediatrician, let alone a sorry man with his own talk show. And as much as my family, and all other families with autistic children have struggled with this disorder, it doesn't help one bit to have this man even mentioning any of his negative opinions on the subject. I live in a state where autism isn't covered by insurance, and as many rallies that I have gone to for my son to get the therapy he needs, it's people like Mr. Savage that are holding my son back in life and not providing him with the life changing therapy he needs. My question is this Mr. Savage: Would you not provide a diabetic the insulin he needs to survive? Then why would you not provide an autistic child with therapy he or she needs to lead a normal life? And now Mr. Savage, I will ask YOU to heed your own ignorant advice and "ACT LIKE A MAN."

MICHAEL SAVAGE I AINT HAVE ... (Below threshold)

MICHAEL SAVAGE I AINT HAVE N IT YOU SHOULDN'T COMMENT ON SOMETHING U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OR U HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE SHOES OF A AUTISM PARENT I THINK U SHOULD BE SPRED N THE GREEN TO HELP FIND A CURE OH THERE IS OTHER TOPICS U SHOULD TALK ABOUT LIKE GLOBAL WARMING I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR MY FIVE YEAR OLD WITH AUTISM AT FIVE HE STILL CAN'T TALK CLEAR, HIS MOTOR SKILLS ARE DELAYED ALONG WITH SPEECH TELL ME HOW DOES IT MAKE HIM SPOILED U SHOULD BE JAILED FOR THAT

as a parent of two "autisti... (Below threshold)
jenny:

as a parent of two "autistic specturm" children i can tell you that i think its grossly overdiagnosed and misunderstood. as far as i am concerned in 20 years we will look back and be embarrassed. my two kids are now functioning just fine and no one can tell the difference. no, i did not get any help for my eldest daughter, but we worked with her by ourselves. my youngest is speech delayed, but VERY outgoing to the point of annoyance. i wish more parents would fight the medical community when it comes to labeling their kids. some kids develope slower than others. its not magic here. i have met many people that have aspergers, etc. and guess what? you would never know because everyday they struggle and succeed without blaming there failures on a supposed illness.




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