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Republican demand debate on drilling

And they are denied. But the story is far from over. John Culberson explains.

After Nancy Pelosi ordered the lights turned off the cameras stopped rolling. From what I gather, C-SPAN is contractually obligated to always have a camera running whenever there's somebody on the floor of Congress. When the lights go out, they can't record. So, if you want to stop the cameras, turn off the lights.

ADDED: See bottom of post for further detail from C-SPAN.

That's why she did what she did. To stifle the debate. After all the talk of a more open government, we're seeing Gestapo tactics.

Too bad (for her) this isn't Nazi Germany. The revolution is, in fact, going to be televized. Maybe not where we're used to...but the images will get out.

Cellphone camera footage isn't all that bad, after all?

From the office of John Culberson, video of those Republicans who demanded the debate on drilling. Mostly symbolic, but wouldn't it be great if it worked?

Gateway Pundit has a lot more.

ADDED: Via MKH and The Crypt:

C-SPAN has just issued this statement: "A number of media organizations have incorrectly referred to 'C-SPAN cameras' being turned off and not providing televised coverage of the GOP House members' post-adjournment protest on energy policy being held on the House floor on Friday afternoon. Please note that cameras in the House chamber are under the control of the Speaker of the House and that all media organizations, including C-SPAN, wishing to cover events in the chamber must use the official House TV feed. No private media cameras are permitted in the House (or Senate) chambers."


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If your understand... (Below threshold)
dr lava:

If your understanding of current global energy policies are such that you think that giving oil companies the rights to drill off the coasts and in Alaska is going to have one tiny bit of an effect on your fuel costs you must be partying hard right now with Paris Hilton.

I would LOVE for one of you guys to actually explain how giving away more to oil companies, who are not drilling in the millions of acres we have already provided for them is going to solve Americas energy crisis.

We have 60 to 80 years left at current demand and production. You guys think we should be burning this most precious resource driving to the mall?


If your understanding of po... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

If your understanding of politics is such that you think another party should effectively keep the other from communicating - you must be partying hard with Nancy Pelsoi.

Careful sharing those Botox needles, Dr. Lava. You don't know WHO they've been in...

But seriously - if you look at the 'energy crisis' from a gaming perspective, it's pretty obvious that each level (wood, whale oil, coal, oil, nuclear and such) needs the previous level to bootstrap yourself into it.

With oil, we were supposed to bootstrap ourselves into nuclear fission, then fusion. Fission's been blocked by anti-nuke activists who hear 'nuclear' and can't get past Hiroshima. Fusion's turned into long-term jobs programs for PhDs - no actual output is expected for the next 50 years, which is about where the state of the art was 50 years back.

Solar's out - environmentalists don't like it. Same thing with hydro, wind, and sea current - there's ALWAYS some group with ready money and lawyers ready to take that money... and in the mean time, we get nothin'.

Like it or not, Lava, the world economy runs on oil. We need it to bootstrap ourselves into the next level - but all the environmentalists can feel oh-so-virtuous because they've managed to stop their evil arch-nemisis power types!

By the way, re oil leases - you understand, don't you, that they lease the land first based on probability of oil, THEN they do further testing to confirm that oil's there, and in sufficient quantities to be worth drilling, right?

And if there isn't enough (in their judgement, not some know-nothing troll's evaluation) to be profitable, they let the lease expire?

Ask yourself something, Dr. Lava - do you understand why Willie Sutton robbed banks?

One issue about drilling th... (Below threshold)
Allen:

One issue about drilling that hasn't been brought up is: What about all the oil pumps, always maintained, but aren't pumping?

A lot of area's in different states have oil pumps just sitting there, constantly maintained, but not pumping oil. WHY? If they are dry holes, or whatever, why are the pumps still there, being maintained?

It's time to quit blaming the left or right about this oil mess. The US has plenty of oil to get us through any and all shortages. It's also time the Auto companies start dusting off the great mileage carburetors they have been denying for many years.

Start telling your elected employee what he is going to do for us, the American people, not for some damn oil company.

And if you think I'm wrong, well I really for sorry for you. But please show me that I'm wrong! And none of the right/left BS talking points that all of you love to spout off about.

Anybody want to talk about ... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

Anybody want to talk about the REAL reason for this entry - namely the action of the Democrat leadership in the House.
Looks like the name of the party must change, as they showed no democratic action today.
Heavy-handed, yes. Incompetent, yes. Dermocratic, no.

Gestapo tactics? Another pa... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Gestapo tactics? Another party shouldn't effectively keep the other from communicating?

Man, you people have short memories.

Sensenbrenner suddenly decided he'd heard enough during a Judiciary Committee hearing on the Patriot Act .... Sensenbrenner got up midmeeting and killed the lights, turned off the microphones and shut down the C-Span feed, before marching his fellow Republicans out of the room -- leaving the Democrats and their witnesses in the dark.

Seems you were for these tactics before you were against them. Or you're just a bunch of crybabies when your own tactics are turned against you.

Brian:You're right... (Below threshold)

Brian:

You're right. Sensebrenner shouldn't have done that. Now then, you seem to have a short memory as well. Let's see what Nancy Pelosi promised she was going to do differently.

So...you don't like it when Sensebrenner did it, and you're fine with it when Pelosi does it, even though she promised "to restore civility and bipartisanship in Washington D.C.".

Seems you were against these tactics before you were for them. Or you're just a hypocritical blowhard.

"Leaving the democrats... i... (Below threshold)
the struggler:

"Leaving the democrats... in the dark." Isn't that redundant,Brian?

You're right. Sensebrenn... (Below threshold)
Brian:

You're right. Sensebrenner shouldn't have done that.

Oh, glad to see you agree. I'm sure you were as open about it at the time, also.

you're fine with it when Pelosi does it

I am? Where did you read that?

even though she promised "to restore civility and bipartisanship in Washington D.C.".

Get your facts straight. The House properly voted to adjourn, and the lights were turned off and the cameras stopped. Hours later, the Republicans returned to the empty House chamber to stage their little political rally. Talk about "civility"... even Fox says:

Unlike a normal session where the rules of decorum are strictly enforced, GOP lawmakers and their aides who filled the chamber clapped, chanted, gave standing ovations and booed the Democrats.

Seems you were against these tactics before you were for them. Or you're just a hypocritical blowhard.

I'm against them when the Dems commit them. In the meantime, it actually seems you were for making sh*t up before you were... well, no, it looks like you're still for making sh*t up. Or you're just a hypocritical liar.

Gee these comments sound ju... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Gee these comments sound just like both sides of Congress. Go figure. See any irony here?

As ususal, the liberal ment... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

As ususal, the liberal mentally challenged compares a committee meeting with the antics of Pelosi on the house floor. A committe chairmen to the Speaker of the House. Yeah, in your meager little lefty minds there is an equivelancy? Oh YEah! In 2006 Nancy boldly stated she is going to do something about the high price of gasoline. She did. She increased it by 30%. Let the debate continue. But Nancy's vacation is more important then our energy policy. ww

"See any irony here?"... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"See any irony here?"

Yeah, that the liberals won't unbend to do any sort of compromise, no matter WHAT their constituents might want?

Congrats, Brian and JFO - you've got a Royalty class in Congress now. We must do as they say, because they know much better than we do what needs to be done. Doesn't it make you feel good to see Reid and Pelosi act in a totally autocratic manner?

Hey, Pelosi's trying to save the planet - how DARE we unwashed masses get in her way?

"I am? Where did you rea... (Below threshold)

"I am? Where did you read that?

Fair enough.

"Oh, glad to see you agree. I'm sure you were as open about it at the time, also."

Yes I was, thanks. While I appreciate the sarcasm, it still doesn't grant you ESP, either.

"Get your facts straight. The House properly voted to adjourn, and the lights were turned off and the cameras stopped. Hours later, the Republicans returned to the empty House chamber to stage their little political rally. Talk about "civility"..."

Making it up? LOL! You have a very narrow view of the facts. Conveniently, you don't address why the Democrat majority refused to debate the energy/drilling issue while in session, and then adjourned for a 5 week vacation without leaving enough time to debate on the topic of drilling. Is that what you call civility? Bipartisanship? Once again, so much for Nancy's promise "to restore civility and bipartisanship in Washington D.C.". You may want to actually watch the whole thing.

"I'm against them when the Dems commit them."

Glad to see you feel the same way. Now start acting like it. Using your example in the way that you did in your first comment (#5) smacks very loudly of being a hypocrite. You wouldn't want to do that would you? Not to pick a nit though, you may want to avoid comparing a committee meeting to the actions of the entire House. (And I don't doubt you could find one. We could each do that ad nauseam.)

"In the meantime, it actually seems you were for making sh*t up before you were... well, no, it looks like you're still for making sh*t up. Or you're just a hypocritical liar."

In the meantime, your last comment (#8) actually makes you look like you highlight certain facts you like and ignore certain facts that you don't like. It's an entirely different point of view when one doesn't include the big picture. With that kind of behavior, one could possibly perceive you as being a hypocritical liar.

I think it would be best if both sides "retired" all of these shenanigans. It's why I want term limits for everyone in the House and Senate. Knowing how Washington D.C. is, however, I wonder if it would do any good.

As usual some of the reside... (Below threshold)
JFO:

As usual some of the resident from the right can't see beyond their own bias. Willie, you idiot, my comment was clearly addressed to both sides, i.e. mine and yours. A pox on the entire Congress is my view - I wish you could get rid of every single one of them and start over.

I love it though when you get a sanctimonious lecture from folks like Lawson about fairness and compromise. Did you live in a bubble from 1998 to 2006? It's no excuse that the Repubs are getting treated the same way but please spare us the sanctimonious outrage.

JFO, you have a lot of nerv... (Below threshold)

JFO, you have a lot of nerve telling people here to spare the sanctimonious outrage when you accuse people around here (namely me) of being a racist and a liar without any evidence to back it up.

Spare us your sanctimonious outrage, please.

Nancy Pelosi increased the ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Nancy Pelosi increased the price of gasoline by 30%, Willie? Oh boy...

Off-shore and ANWR drilling, according to the government, would reduce gas prices by a few cents per gallon. This is the most critical issue facing Congress right now?

OPEC doesn't answer to your government. Buy smaller cars, tighten your belts, and start thinking of creative ways of blaming the decline of your standard of life on President Barack Obama.

Biological - I have no san... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Biological - I have no sanctimonious outrage - only laughter at yours and your astounding hypocrisy about Congress.

"Off-shore and ANWR dril... (Below threshold)

"Off-shore and ANWR drilling, according to the government, would reduce gas prices by a few cents per gallon."

Since Bush lifted the executive ban on offshore drilling, the market hasn't been listening to what these government reports say about off-shore and ANWR drilling. Gas prices in my area have dropped .40 cents since then, which is fairly close to the national average. It would be interesting to see how much further they would drop if only Congress would address the issue.

"OPEC doesn't answer to your government."

As you probably already know, OPEC doesn't directly control oil or gasoline prices. They control production from their respective member's areas. Here is another link and interesting read that covers all the variables that affect gasoline prices.

"Buy smaller cars, tighten your belts, and start thinking of creative ways of blaming the decline of your standard of life on President Barack Obama."

I see now why you call yourself "hyperbolist". ;-)

Buying smaller cars isn't necessarily practical for everyone. Tightening belts is a great idea, but doesn't solve the gas price issue. Is this really what your vision of America is? I believe we can do better.

BiologicalO... (Below threshold)

Biological

OK, if you're going to address me, at least get the name right. It's Blogical. B-L-O-G-I-C-A-L. I'm sure you'll have plenty of word games to follow.

"I have no sanctimonious outrage - only laughter at yours and your astounding hypocrisy about Congress."

Did you even bother to read my entire comment at #12?

Allen (#3):"It'... (Below threshold)

Allen (#3):

"It's also time the Auto companies start dusting off the great mileage carburetors they have been denying for many years."

Please provide an verifiable example of this mythical "great mileage" carburetor. When was the last time cars were made with carburetors?

Tom, I was going to respond... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Tom, I was going to respond to your #12, but you're all over the map with it. The initial post, and most responses (including yours) were in regard to the tactics of Pelosi turning off the lights and cameras on the other party. Now that it's evident that a) it's not true, and b) the Republicans are actually the ones who did it in 2005, you're changing the topic to drilling policy. That's a debate for another thread.

Congrats, Brian and JFO ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Congrats, Brian and JFO - you've got a Royalty class in Congress now. We must do as they say, because they know much better than we do what needs to be done. Doesn't it make you feel good to see Reid and Pelosi act in a totally autocratic manner?

So the majority not bringing the minority's issue to the floor is "royalty" and "autocratic"?

It's called "Congress", and I'm guessing you were more accepting of it prior to 2007.

As ususal, the liberal m... (Below threshold)
Brian:

As ususal, the liberal mentally challenged compares a committee meeting with the antics of Pelosi on the house floor. A committe chairmen to the Speaker of the House.

The issue is tactics of leadership, specifically turning off the lights and cameras. As usual, when shown how the Republicans did the same thing, the rightie response is to identify a difference, no matter how inconsequential, and portray it as a giant chasm.

Well here's a chasm for you. The Republicans actually did turn off the lights and cameras. The Democrats did not. Sorry if these facts shoot down meme.

Brian (#20):Not on... (Below threshold)

Brian (#20):

Not on topic? All over the map? Come on, Brian. Please review this post's title: "Republican demand debate on drilling."

Here's a quote from John's post:

That's why she did what she did. To stifle the debate. After all the talk of a more open government, we're seeing Gestapo tactics.

Now, what debate do you think he was referring to? And the rest of your response proves to me you didn't read my entire comment at #12. In it I stated we both could come up with examples ad nauseam of how Congress has been shut down by both sides.

More selective reading and cherry-picking of the facts on your part.

So the majority not brin... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

So the majority not bringing the minority's issue to the floor is "royalty" and "autocratic"?

No - their determined and deliberate refusal to address an issue that directly and seriously affects the entire country is the action of a political class that has figured out that no matter WHAT it does their own constituency will not hold them responsible for the end result. They understand their obligation to the people who have elected them is NEVER going to be anything more than a vapidly theoretical concept, which can be ignored at their leisure.

So with energy so important, why not just go on vacation? THEY have enough money, after all - and so what if their average constituent needs to cut back? It just means all the good places will be less crowded!

It's not like the PEOPLE they represent are actually important, after all.

Is that not the actions of royalty? That their desires are paramount, and all us little peons exist to serve THEM?

"Republican demand debat... (Below threshold)
Brian:

"Republican demand debate on drilling."

Yes, and the entire content of the post on that topic was four words: "And they are denied."

Everything else is about "Gestapo tactics", "stifling debate", and "talk of an open government".

I'm glad we agree it was on... (Below threshold)

I'm glad we agree it was on topic, Brian. :-)

'Yes, and the entire con... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

'Yes, and the entire content of the post on that topic was four words: "And they are denied."'

'Cause Pelosi was too eager to go on vacation! Hey, she might have some hot stud waiting back in San Francisco! (More likely a date with a botox injector...)




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