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Change you can believe in: Obama is PRO baby murder

Obama tries to paint himself as a pro-choice moderate, which of course, he isn't. An explosive story has broken showing just how radical he truly is. Not only is Barack Obama pro-abortion, he actively campaigned against a bill giving babies who survive abortion and are born alive protection. I guess he thinks it'd be all right to just kill the suckers, huh? Not even NARAL sinks this far:

In 2000, the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act was first introduced in Congress. This was a two-paragraph bill intended to clarify that any baby who is entirely expelled from his or her mother, and who shows any signs of life, is to be regarded as a legal "person" for all federal law purposes, whether or not the baby was born during an attempted abortion. (To view the original 2000 BAIPA, click here.)

In 2002, the bill was enacted, after a "neutrality clause" was added to explicitly state that the bill expressed no judgment, in either direction, about the legal status of a human prior to live birth.

(The "neutrality" clause read, "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being 'born alive' as defined in this section.")

The bill passed without a dissenting vote in either house of Congress. (To view the final federal BAIPA as enacted, click here. To view a chronology of events pertaining to the federal BAIPA, click here.)

Meanwhile, Barack Obama, as a member of the IL State Senate, actively opposed a state version of the BAIPA during three successive regular legislative sessions. His opposition to the state legislation continued into 2003 - even after NARAL had withdrawn its initial opposition to the federal bill, and after the final federal bill had been enacted in August 2002.

When Obama was running for the U.S. Senate in 2004, his Republican opponent criticized him for supporting "infanticide." Obama countered this charge by claiming that he had opposed the state BAIPA because it lacked the pre-birth neutrality clause that had been added to the federal bill.

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NRLC and other pro-life observers have always regarded Obama's "defense" as contrived, since the original two-paragraph BAIPA on its face applied only after a live birth; the "neutrality clause" added in 2001 merely made this explicit, and therefore the new clause did not change the substance of the original bill.

Moreover, the overwhelming majority of liberal, pro-abortion members of the U.S. House of Representatives did not embrace the initial NARAL position that the original bill was an attack on Roe v. Wade. The Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee, then as now, were a solidly liberal group, yet only one of them voted against the original BAIPA without the "neutrality clause," and he cited a different reason.

Congressman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), who supported the bill, and who described himself as "as pro-choice as anybody on Earth," argued that under his understanding of Roe "if an abortion is performed, or a natural birth occurred, at any age, [even] three months, and the product of that was living outside the mother, and somebody came and shot him, I don't think there's any doubt that person would be prosecuted for murder."

When the original bill - with no "neutrality clause" - came up on the House floor on September 26, 2000, it passed 380-15.

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The documents prove that in March 2003, state Senator Obama, then the chairman of the IL state Senate Health and Human Services Committee, presided over a committee meeting in which the "neutrality clause" (copied verbatim from the federal bill) was added to the state BAIPA, with Obama voting in support of adding the revision. Yet, immediately afterwards, Obama led the committee Democrats in voting against the amended bill, and it was killed, 6-4.

The bill that Chairman Obama killed, as amended, was virtually identical to the federal law; the only remaining differences were on minor points of bill-drafting style. To see the language of the two bills side by side, click here.


There's no getting around this. Obama knew the language in question was in the bill, because he himself added it. Obama voted for infanticide and then tried to cover it up, probably when he realized how wildly unpopular this would be with voters (duh, you moron). I wonder how he'll try to get around this one... probably using a lot of "uh's", "um's", and "you know's".

It's one thing to be pro-abortion. That, at least, is debatable. However, if a child somehow survives an abortion and still has a heartbeat, then there is no way it should ever be permissible to kill that child. The pro-abortion argument centers around a woman's choice to do with "her body" what she chooses. But if the child is expelled from her body, and is still alive, it's no longer her choice to make. That is a living, breathing human being, and to extinguish that life would be murder. I don't care if you wrap it up in a pretty bow and call it "choice", because it's still murder.

This, apparently, was not important to Barack Obama. If he didn't support this, then what in the hell could he be proposing? That an infant who survives an abortion should just be killed because Mommy doesn't want him and didn't get to kill him the first time around? That's sick. That's disgusting. Does this man have no moral compass?!

Of course, there are some wonderful examples of his thoughts on children. You know, like the one where he called babies "punishment":

Barack Obama supports infanticide, partial-birth abortion, late-term abortion, and calls children a punishment. Yet he tries to run on "family values". What family values? These are not the family values that most Americans would support.

At what point do Obama supporters realize how grossly out of touch he is with everything that Americans hold dear? At what point are all of these scandals, and the radicalism, and the associations with racists, terrorists, and anti-semites become too much? Barack Obama is simply not fit to lead anything, much less the most powerful country in the world.

Hat Tip: Michelle Malkin


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Comments (23)

Now to be fair, I think tha... (Below threshold)
Jayemay:

Now to be fair, I think that it's quite well established at this point that Obama isn't always aware of what his committiees have done, or even what committiees he actually serves on.

"If men strive, a... (Below threshold)
Bible Dave:
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth . . ."--Ex. 21:22-25
Only God can order an abort... (Below threshold)
Bible Dave:

Only God can order an abortion. Obama thinks he is God but he is not.


Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall bear her guilt; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Jay Tea adds: Bible Dave will have plenty of time to read his bible now. His IPs have been banned. And if he keeps coming back, I'll keep banning him. His schtick -- using Bible verses to chastise the authors and conservatives in general -- grew too old too quickly, and he didn't take the hint.

Obama thinks a total handgu... (Below threshold)

Obama thinks a total handgun ban is a "reasonable restriction" of Second Amendment rights. He thinks a costly licensing scheme that deprives poor people of their Second Amendment rights. He thinks putting Chicago residents in prison if they use a handgun to save their children's lives is a "reasonable restriction" of Second Amendment rights. And, banning guns that LOOK scary is a "reasonable restriction" of Second Amendment rights.

Why is there no such thing as a "reasonable restriction" of abortion rights? If the right to an abortion is absolute, why not gun rights too?

Lefty reply: Because guns kill PEOPLE! Abortions only...uhhhhh....

Should read:He thi... (Below threshold)

Should read:

He thinks costly licensing schemes that deny poor people of color the ability to own firearms is a "reasonable restriction" of Second Amendment rights.

Change you can believe in??... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Change you can believe in????? How did this lop get to be the nominee of the Democratic party?

Does this man have... (Below threshold)
Does this man have no moral compass?!

"..'Oh and, did I mention he's black?'"

"...typical white person..."

"..Iran is just a little bity country.."

"..(America) air raids(sic) villages and kills civilians.."

"..We can't eat as much as we want, and drive what we want, and keep our houses at 72 degrees.." -that would make France mad, MAY OUI MON CHERIE!

"..All we's can says is,'Mercie boquo'.."

Maybe the real question is: Can his handlers feed him enough "good lines",fast enough to save him from himself?

"Change you can believe in:... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

"Change you can believe in: Obama is PRO baby murder". That just makes him more of a hero to democrats who have supported and funded baby murder for years.

I'm just wondering, with al... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

I'm just wondering, with all the wack-nuts postings out of the way, has this EVER, EVER, EVER, ever, been an issue? Can anyone at all point to one recorded instance where some fetus, somewhere, survived an abortion? Let me know, I'm all ears. BTW, it seems like you guys are running out of ideas. This has been thrown at Barack many times and hasn't stuck. Republicans, listen up, stay out of Americans' bedrooms and bodies, the nation has become sick of it. Don't believe me? Talk to me on 11-05-08.

Cheers

Ryan, I love the "stay out ... (Below threshold)

Ryan, I love the "stay out of my bedroom" response.

I got no problem with that, per se.

Just as long as all the intrusive, totalitarian, anti-individual liberty, big-government-knows-best Democrats (and a handful of equally reprehensible Republicans) stay the f*** out of my __________!

(A) wallet (higher taxes)
(B) garage (SUV's are killing polar bears!)
(C) gun safe (which, by the way, is in my bedroom)
(D) neighborhood pub (smoking bans)
(E) favorite donut shop (trans fats bans)
(F) all of the above!

You see, I'm pro-choice. As in, let me choose to live my life as I see fit. Liberals today love to wrap themselves in the banner of choice, but they don't have clue one as to what that word means.

Or, more likely, they simply don't care. After all, they know best. They want the government OUT of THEIR bedrooms, but IN every other aspect of everybody else's lives.

Gee Ryan, I can't think of ... (Below threshold)
Tim:

Gee Ryan, I can't think of a one. Oh wait, there was a nice young lday who testified before Congress and everything.

http://joseromia.tripod.com/gtext.html

But you'd rather have her killed because we don't belong in her "mom's bedroom".

Oh wait, here's another one... (Below threshold)
Tim:

Oh wait, here's another one.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08060501.html

Ryan, you should try this thing called 'Google'. It's amazing! Kinda hard to work, but a brain surgeon like you should be able to figure it out after a few days.

Lookie here - I found anoth... (Below threshold)
Tim:

Lookie here - I found another! Didn't expect that!

http://www.dr-tiller.com/dreaded-complication.htm

"This has been thrown at... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"This has been thrown at Barack many times and hasn't stuck."

Please elaborate. I don't understand what you mean by "hasn't stuck." Are you saying that it's untrue?

Furthermore, if you took two minutes to do a search on live-birth abortions, you would have found the Congressional testimony of Jill Stanek.

Running out of ideas? I'll admit that Obama has a scant record and a short history in the Senate, but there's plenty to be concerned about. If abortion is unimportant to you then fine, but if you think that discussion about a presidential candidate's record on the issue is indicative of "running out of ideas", you've got a lot to learn. This has been a hot-button issue since Roe v Wade and since that day we have continued to slide down that slippery slope that so many poo-pooed. I was pergnant when Roe v Wade came about, so i listened quite closely. A prevailing argument then was, "It's not that big a deal. No one is going to run out and get an abortion at 8 or 9 months." On the contrary, the act of abortion has morphed from the simple ability to terminate a pregnancy early on to some championing the right to have an abortion up until moments before the full 9 month term and now even to after an abortion that results in a live-birth.

Obama has been quoted many times on the issue, but when things get really sticky he votes "present" or obfuscates in answering to it by giving an answer to a different question than asked as he did in regards to the DC gun ban.

We live in a society that draws lines. Lines HAVE to be drawn somewhere or it's just a free-for-all. Obama appears to be willing to blur that line, or move it altogether.

My core religious and human... (Below threshold)

My core religious and humanitarian values always find both abortion and war deeply disturbing as violence against mankind. But unfortunately when choosing a presidential candidate to side with, one always has look at who expresses the most views I can believe in. But some issues will always continue to bother me about any candidate I ultimately support.

It is clear to me that Bara... (Below threshold)
Mike:

It is clear to me that Barack Obama has been immersed in leftist-progressive social teachings, particularly influenced by Margaret Sanger, that propose abortion and birth control as the best solutions to poverty, since they will naturally reduce the number of poor people.

When Bill Clinton was elected president in 1992, he received a letter from Roe v. Wade counsel Ron Weddington urging him to immediately implement large-scale Federally-funded birth control, including the the RU-486 "morning after" pill. Here is a portion of what Weddington wrote to President Clinton:

Reagan spent all our money on bombs and even if there were money for programs such as pre-natal health care, job training, and day care centers it would be years before we would see any dramatic results. And, as anyone who follows education can see, more money doesn't necessarily translate into better educated kids.

But you can start immediately to eliminate the barely educated, unhealthy and poor segment of our country. No, I'm not advocating some sort of mass extinction of these unfortunate people. Crime, drugs and disease are already doing that. The problem is that their numbers are not only replaced but increased by the birth of millions of babies to people who can't afford to have babies.

There, I've said it. It's what we all know is true, but we only whisper it, because as liberals who believe in individual rights, we view any program which might treat the disadvantaged differently as discriminatory, mean-spirited and... well... so Republican. (ellipses in original)

... You made a good start when you appointed Dr. Elders, but she will need a lot of help. You will have to enlist the aid of sports and entertainment stars to counteract the propaganda spread by church officials seeking parishioners, generals seeking cannon fodder and businessmen seeking cheap labor that, throughout the ages, has convinced the poor that children are necessary to fulfillment as a person.

In order to have a pro-abortion position that is so cast in stone, this must also be what Barack Obama believes.

Paragraphs 3, 4, 5, and 6 i... (Below threshold)
Mike:

Paragraphs 3, 4, 5, and 6 in the above comment should have been blockquoted. My bad.

>At what point do Obama ... (Below threshold)

>At what point do Obama supporters realize how grossly out of touch he is with everything that Americans hold dear? At what point are all of these scandals, and the radicalism, and the associations with racists, terrorists, and anti-semites become too much?

Answer: at NO point. Re-taking the White House trumps all those concerns.

My husband and I are, right... (Below threshold)
Candy:

My husband and I are, right now, watching this same issue as it is being discussed on Hannity & Colmes. Colmes, of course, is white-washing the whole thing and crying foul.

I actually feel phyically ill. Anyone who has ever held a new infant in their arms would have to agree that it would seem IMPOSSIBLE to toss a live baby into a pile of dirty linen to let it die.

All of the above aside...</... (Below threshold)
andy:

All of the above aside...

Cassy said:

However, if a child somehow survives an abortion and still has a heartbeat, then there is no way it should ever be permissible to kill that child.

Uh, what? What, specifically, about the child itself changed? That it's got the Eye of the Tiger, the thrill of fight, rising up to the challenge of its rivals?

I mean, if it was an inhuman parasite we can kill with impunity prior to that precise point, then killing it should be even easier if it survives the abortion.

If it's worthy of a chance at life regardless, then the abortion, success or failure, is irrelevant to the argument at that point in time.

I'm not taking sides here, even though I have one, just pointing out that Cassy's is, par for the course, ridiculously oversimplified.

I'm just wonderin... (Below threshold)
maggie:
I'm just wondering, with all the wack-nuts postings out of the way, has this EVER, EVER, EVER, ever, been an issue? Can anyone at all point to one recorded instance where some fetus, somewhere, survived an abortion? Let me know, I'm all ears. BTW, it seems like you guys are running out of ideas. This has been thrown at Barack many times and hasn't stuck. Republicans, listen up, stay out of Americans' bedrooms and bodies, the nation has become sick of it. Don't believe me? Talk to me on 11-05-08.

Cheers

Ryan, here's a link.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/barack-obama-doubles-down-on-abortion.html

Wow - so you don't beleive ... (Below threshold)
Kathy:

Wow - so you don't beleive in abortion but it's ok to throw a uniform on them and have them as targets overseas?

You people need to get a life. If you don't beleive in abortion -= then for christ sake don't have one...dumb asses.

I am a socialist. I am a co... (Below threshold)
Meklorka:

I am a socialist. I am a communist. And I do not support Barrack Obama or anyone who would vote against protecting a living, breathing baby.

Socialists and Communists are given a bad rap because of what Stalin, Mao and Cuba have done under the false guise of communism. And let's be clear - I am not against abortion. I don't think I would ever have the heart to have an abortion myself, but similarily I don't think it is right for a government that is still run by men to dictate morals to women. Sex and childbirth for too long has been used as a tool to ensure inequality between the sexes. If pregnant women or women with children were not chained to the stove by corperate politics and sexist social attitudes then I think there would be many less abortions in this country.

But I just want to illustrait that there are some issues that can truly bridge the gap between people of different political persuasions. This is such an issue. I didn't like Obama to begin with (though I am usually not thrilled with most mainstream politicos) but now I absolutely will not vote for him. Communists and Socialists like myself are not in favor of killing living babies. Thats just a bunch of bull the mainstream media spins. We are people, just like you, with the same hopes and fears. When I hear people call Obama a communist, it makes me feel physically ill.




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