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North Texas School District Allows Teachers to Carry Guns in School

The Harold Indpendent School District in North Texas is the first district in the nation to allow their teachers to carry guns for protection.

My first reaction to this was it's about time. Ever since Columbine, the instances of school shootings have continued. The Virginia Tech massacre was the catalyst for the movement for professors, RAs, and others who meet the requirements to carry guns on campus. The main reason is that when schools and universities are left defenseless because they're designated "gun-free zones" that is an invitation for someone with serious mental issues to take out his perceived grievances on the innocent students and teachers.

Teachers have to meet these requirements to carry a gun at the school. From the AP via the Chron:

In order for teachers and staff to carry a pistol, they must have a Texas license to carry a concealed handgun; must be authorized to carry by the district; must receive training in crisis management and hostile situations and have to use ammunition that is designed to minimize the risk of ricochet in school halls. (emphasis mine)

That sounds reasonable to me. This is the superintendent's reasoning:

Superintendent David Thweatt said the small community is a 30-minute drive from the sheriff's office, leaving students and teachers without protection. He said the district's lone campus sits 500 feet from heavily trafficked U.S. 287, which could make it a target.

"When the federal government started making schools gun-free zones, that's when all of these shootings started. Why would you put it out there that a group of people can't defend themselves? That's like saying 'sic 'em' to a dog," Thweatt said in Friday's online edition of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

Bingo!

Be sure to read the rest of the article. Superintendent Thweatt makes other very reasonable arguments for his district taking this step.

I'm curious, how would you feel if your school system allowed teachers to carry a gun in school if they were properly trained and vetted?

Cross posted at Up North Mommy Talks Politics.


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Comments (28)

Wonder if the students will... (Below threshold)
epador:

Wonder if the students will behave better too?

Heartsick that such a thi... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:

Heartsick that such a thing was necessary, relieved that at least SOME measure of protection was available.

I am really surprised that ... (Below threshold)
stan25 Author Profile Page:

I am really surprised that the AP wrote such a favorable story. Usually, when something like this comes up, the AP is the lead in condemning such a move and the rest of the drive bys follow their lead.

I have a Texas CHL, and I c... (Below threshold)
iurockhead:

I have a Texas CHL, and I can tell you, the training is eye-opening. Most of the training is understanding the laws regarding using the gun, and someone who has had that training would be a lot less likely to pull out a gun than someone who has not. It is a very serious responsibility, and knowing the laws and the potential liabilities of actually pulling out that gun are chilling. With the additional training in crisis management and hostile situations (there is already a lot of both in the CHL training), I have no worries about armed teachers.

Utah has passed laws allowing those with valid CHL (which is concealed handgun license, by the way) to carry on college campi. Texas should do the same, and it sounds like we may be headed in that direction.

God Bless Texas Finally a s... (Below threshold)
Michael A. Butler:

God Bless Texas Finally a school district that got it right!

Another symptom of America'... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Another symptom of America's sickness, whether you agree with it or not.

If you think it's necessary and therefore agree with it, the fact that it is necessary to guard against frequent school shooting rampages is abominable.

If you disagree with it, then another weird sign of the threat of violence that pervades life in the USA.

I think it is a shocking in... (Below threshold)
joe:

I think it is a shocking indictment of society; that children have to taught by armed individuals.

I believe in liberal gun laws but I am shocked to think that there is a necessity for armed teachers. This is neither common sense nor progress, but rather, and I repeat myself, a shocking indictment on society.

This is neither co... (Below threshold)
This is neither common sense nor progress, but rather, and I repeat myself, a shocking indictment on society.

I know whatcha mean bro. I'm packin' my bags for Georgia as soon as I get the kids on a one way flight for China. America is imperfect! Vote democrat or just get out while the gettin' is good.

Sorry.

More to the point: This is a "shocking indictment on (a) society" dominated by liberal dogma that mollycoddles vermin as well as, otherwise potentially good citizens.
Example: the common practice of public schools cowering before the foulmouthed,pants saggin'(ever notice what that word spells backwards?), out of control,under-spanked, little wannabe thugs.

Out here (in Cali.), it's also happening in private Christian schools,where corporal punishment ended a long time ago.It's time to kick a little juvenile butt my friends,to stop the cycle of them kicking ours.

LOL - I just read this stor... (Below threshold)
Candy:

LOL - I just read this story on Drudge, and headed right over to WizBang to see if anyone picked it up - there it was, front & center.

Perhaps it's a sad commentary, but if that's what has to happen to keep the schools safe...

I think of it as an ADT system - one would think that the loonies and crazies might go elsewhere rather than facing the wrath of a school full of gun-totin' teachers.

Pretty sure my district here in liberal Maine won't go for it. What a shame :)

Socially, economically, cul... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Socially, economically, culturally and politically, America is ill. This is a kind of collective psychosis, caused by greed, trash culture, brutality and cruelty in the economic and legal system, lack of learning, and lack of true spiritual connection to a higher power.

When children are feared because, once a month or so, one of them goes on a shooting rampage in a school, that's just one part of the psychosis bubbling up.

Teachers carrying guns is another sign. In a healthy society, it would not be thought of.

This is out of control!!! ... (Below threshold)

This is out of control!!! This story also made http://detentionslip.org! It's got tons of crazy headlines like this.

"Sorry.More to the... (Below threshold)
Joe:

"Sorry.

More to the point: This is a "shocking indictment on (a) society" dominated by liberal dogma that mollycoddles vermin as well as, otherwise potentially good citizens.
Example: the common practice of public schools cowering before the foulmouthed,pants saggin'(ever notice what that word spells backwards?), out of control,under-spanked, little wannabe thugs.

Out here (in Cali.), it's also happening in private Christian schools,where corporal punishment ended a long time ago.It's time to kick a little juvenile butt my friends,to stop the cycle of them kicking ours."


I feel sorry for you!

I fear, that it is people like you, who will exacerbate the problem as opposed to providing a solution.

Hey Joe ♫ (where they... (Below threshold)

Hey Joe ♫ (where they goin' with that gun in their hand ?♫)

Check this out (you too Bible Dave):

"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)

And for the younger set there's:

"Humanism in your world has been created by satan. You will bring back the adages of old of: Spare the rod, and you will spoil the child. Discipline must be returned to the homes." - St. Joachim, July 25, 1973

... ♫ Goin' way down south,way down to Lucifers way! ♫
♫ Aint no one gonna save me!... ♫

Personally, I don't think a... (Below threshold)

Personally, I don't think a lack of armed teachers was the cause of any of the school shootings. However, in at least one case, a principal (or some school official) had a firearm in his car and that resulted in a less fatal attack.

This is just a continuation of my belief that tools (as guns are) do not cause any particular behavior. Behavior is a result of desires, interactions (or lack of) with others, mental stability, upbringing, etc., etc., etc.,

There's also the fact that when I was in school, guns were not feared. The school gymnsium was used for a week long class on firearms given by the NRA.

Safety was the main object of the course, but the interesting part now is that we all brought a gun from home and everybody had one!

Perhaps it was the idea of gun-free zones, a logical conclusion of the "guns cause behavior" line of thought that is an indicator that "America is ill."

Personally, I don'... (Below threshold)
Personally, I don't think a lack of armed teachers was the cause of any of the school shootings. However, in at least one case, a principal (or some school official) had a firearm in his car and that resulted in a less fatal attack.

And then you said some stuff I agree with, so screw that part. Hint for the poster in a rush (yes, even I have also said dumb things even too as well): When proof reading, check for built in contradictions, not just spilling airers. Not that this would correct any mistakes, it's just that it might result in a less stupid looking post.

p.s. How many school shooti... (Below threshold)

p.s. How many school shootings have taken place where the teacher,or anyone for that matter, was known to be armed? One thing's for sure, just like the thousands of crimes stopped by armed citizens every year, the marxcist media would not report on it. May they burn for their never ending assistance of the criminals among us.

If you want to believe that... (Below threshold)

If you want to believe that guns have some metaphysical power other than being a tool, that's fine with me.

It's not a contradiction to believe that guns do not cause anti-social behavior and that they can be used as a tool to stop anti-social behavior.

One thing that many (maybe all?) school shooters had in common was the idea that they weren't going to survive their attack. I believe the Columbine shooters stated they intended to kill themselves also, though my memory might be wrong there.

It seems that many school (and workplace) shootings are a spectaculary, angrily, aggressive way of committing suicide. Knowing that someone at the school is armed is just going to make the suicide happen a little faster, it's not going to eliminate the attempts.

Knowing that someo... (Below threshold)
Knowing that someone at the school is armed is just going to make the suicide happen a little faster, it's not going to eliminate the attempts.

Again I ask, where is the example of one of these cowards going straight into a "freedom to own a gun zone" ? Yeah, they may have a death wish but they still enjoy slaughtering helpless,cowering people as they plead for their lives, as opposed to marching into the local police station and calling out the entire force.

"Suicide by cop" is usually a more, heat of the moment thing. The planners invariably chose to find a barrel full of fish, and start shooting them while saving that last load for themselves.

Please answer: When has any of these cowards ever attacked "Knowing that someone at the school is armed" ?

As a retired school adminis... (Below threshold)
jim:

As a retired school administrator in San Antonio, I can assure you that teahers should not carry a gun in school. Neither should administraters.

Yes they can get a legal carry permit but that doesn't make them safe with a weapon.

Just let one kid be killed by a teacher and watch the manure fly.

Why do we hire armed officers to patrol our schools? Because they are necessary and have many more hours of training than a citizen has to have to get carry licence.

You are not near a police department. HIRE A PROFESSIONAL ARMED SECUITY OFFICER. THE COURTS WILL LOOK MUCH MORE FAVORABLE ON HIM THEN THEY WOULD ON THE BIOLOGY TEACHER.

J

jim,I have a quest... (Below threshold)

jim,

I have a question: Are there not places in America where many civilians are walking the streets with (legal) concealed weapons on them? Knowing what the press thinks of this, if there was just ONE "shootout" between two such persons,we would be regailed with account after account of the event until we thought it was an epidemic equaling the millions of people mauled by Pit bulls everyday (oh yeah, they created that too).

Don't get stuck on liberal. Americans are smart and the ones who take the time to get a conceal and carry permit are likely, very responsible. You musn't give in to the kneejerk liberal dogma of, "The guns! The guns! We must stop the guns from killing more innocent little babies!"

If you think I'm wrong about you, please tell me, what was your first thought when Con. Jack Mytha called our best,"Cold blooded killers". If you were shocked and ashamed of your nation, you are brainwashed. I'm not knocking you,half the country is lied to from birth about its own heritage. I'm just saying, "Wake up and smell the truth!" If, on the third hand, you don't even think that is what he said,you are part of the braindead,so just disregard this.

"It is incumbent on this generation to ensure that their actions do not deprive future generations of access to their own past." -anon

Mark, you insist on giving ... (Below threshold)

Mark, you insist on giving guns qualities they do not possess.

Though schools are often marked as gun-free zones, that is just another marker of the degeneracy of the idea that guns have qualities other than tools.

Guns do not make anti-social people act anti-social, it's something they are going to do with or without guns and whether there is someone armed present when they do it.

It would certainly be a sign of intelligent thinking to remove all the gun-free zone signs.

I honestly wish that the solution to school (and workplace) violence (regardless the weapon of choice) was so easily solved as simply arming the teachers. And you'll note, please, that I am certainly not against arming teachers and other qualified school personnel.

Let it be noted, for the re... (Below threshold)

Let it be noted, for the record, that the defendant, Donna B., is non responsive at best,and thoroughly incoherent to boot.

The floor is now,only, for honest give and take. Anyone out there know the English language? Anyone?

TEXAS!!!!!! woo hoo<p... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

TEXAS!!!!!! woo hoo

JOE HORN, now this...
I LOVE TEXAS!!!

Conservatives just love it ... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Conservatives just love it whenever society marches in the direction of becoming increasingly armed. Of course, teachers can't be everywhere, shouldn't schoolchildren be allowed to carry guns too? After all, they got 2nd Amendment rights for self-defense too, don't they? YES OR NO???

What the conservatives fail to understand is that the criminal, having foreknowledge that a bloody crime shall be committed, draws his weapon first. Your concealed weapon isn't of much use now, when faced with a gun pointed at you, is it???

Best to start banning the sale and manufacture of bullets, then legislation requiring all guns to be registered, and finally the confiscation of guns themselves, so that the U.S. can have the extremely low-murder-rate found in gun-free societies like Japan. Wouldn't that be great?

Mark, you now give comment ... (Below threshold)

Mark, you now give comment threads qualities (and powers) they don't have.

Herman, it's possible that one of the lenses in your rose colored glasses is cracked.

...I rest my case.... (Below threshold)

...I rest my case.

"Best to start banning the ... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

"Best to start banning the sale and manufacture of bullets, then legislation requiring all guns to be registered, and finally the confiscation of guns themselves,"

It would NEVER happen on a NATIONAL scale..
If it did, a revolution bigger than the one that started this country would erupt.

Such an event would hypothetically remove such socialist thinking authorities, along with other citizens who desire to impose their socialist/liberal agenda...

Unlikely series of events---but fun to think about though ..ain't it!!??

That will upset the gun con... (Below threshold)
Birdzilla:

That will upset the gun control freak especialy thoose idiot liberal journalists penning those antigun putrid cartoons in their wretched papers




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