Well it's a "bounce" if you consider the numbers went down.

And then, in November, we'll vote.

And then, in November, we'll vote.

A gold star day for you! You do pay attention, don't you?

No, no. Because SO MANY new Democrats are planning on voting they're going to have them vote in December to get ready for the floodgates bursting. Republicans will vote in November.

Sheesh.

That was pretty hilarious, Clay.

They have to hit bottom before the bounce.

Bounce? The Messiah don't need no stinking bounce.

That was pretty hilarious, Clay.

Glad to see you can take some ribbing.

With a poll out with McCain ahead, look for an AP/IPSOS or PPP poll out tomorrow showing Obama ahead by 4 or 5.

"And then, in November, we'll vote."

Agreed. All this talk of polling is exactly like arguing over who the best team in College Football is. As "accurate" as the polls have been in the last couple of elections, I've learned to completely ignore them. Especially exit polls.

And we all know Ohio State is obviously the best team in the nation this year! OK, you all know I'm just having a little fun with that slightly off topic remark (sorry DJ!!)...I'll duck for cover now...LOL!

(:-D)

I have to be lenient with anyone reduced to worshipping an acorn.

DJ:

LOL! That hurts, man. ;-)

At least you can plan for a great season. I went to Baylor ... our season will be perfect right up to the first coin toss ... and that might be our high spot!

The MSM plays up the VP pick as being the first executive decision of a Presidential candidate and some indication of how he'll do as President. There's no bounce because voters are disappointed in Obama's VP pick. Obama has been running on an unspecific promise of "Change you can believe in", yet picks an old white man who's also a Washington insider as his VP. If that's any indication of how Obama keeps his campaign promises the poor better start looking for jobs because the giveaway they expect from Obama won't happen.

Biden is a naked attempt at offsetting McCain's advantage among the elusive White Heterosexual Property Owning Male niche demographic--like NASCAR dads, with better hats.

The reason for the reverse bounce was that the large hardcore of unrepentant Hillary supporters were holding out for the possibility that Hillary could still become Obama`s veep choice. When those hopes finally proved illusory, with the announcement of Biden, they decided to go with McCain.

I expect many can be won back when they realize their health, social and domestic issues are not an overiding concern for McCain, on the contrary. And, I`m sure Hillary`s speech tonight will go some way towards bringing them back.

I would dearly love for the government to quit worrying about health and social issues. Those seem to be private concerns to me. Injecting the government into these concerns only increases their cost and lowers the efficiency with which services are delivered. Oops, that was off topic. On topic: Bounce? Buyers remorse. The Democrats have bought a lemon and they are feverishly trying to avoid letting the neighbors know how bad they've been taken.

RicardoVerde, yes I agree McCain is more interested in adding China and Russia to America`s growing list of enemies, probably confronting them, while ignoring the economy whose fundamentals he says "are strong", as long as we keep bailing out, with public funds the reckless private Wall Street firms...And with your logic maybe we can privatize medicare...Private health insurance with enormous and costly overheads are over double what other national healthcare plans cost.

White Heterosexual Property Owning Male niche demographic

You mean the demographic that has controlled this nation from it's founding? Maybe Obama doesn't know about slogan his campaign puts on the podiums (lecterns) he speaks from. You know that one that says "Change you can belive in", or do you think Obama really thinks the best VP he could find in the whole nation is another White Heterosexual Property Owning Male (WHPOM)?

Sic 'em Bears!

Mac, you seem to have lost your sense of humour somewhere on the internetz. Quick, find it before Cthulhu mistakes it for a cheezaburgah!

Um, Steve, China is a communist state, with no elections and no personal freedoms, no freedom of speech, no right to bear arms, and a string of human rights violations worse than anybody can even make up about the u.s. Shouldn't we be trying to confront them? Shouldn't we be trying to protect our allies in eastern europe from a country that used to hold them in thrall, and would like to again? Mind you, the word is allies, that means we help them, they help us. We like each other, we cover their "6" when they need it. When the big bad bullies come knocking, we stand behind them like their big brother, so they don't get completely taken over. Talk to a few people who came from Russia, ask them what they think of Putin. I'm pretty sure you won't find a whole lot of character references.

Chad, I don`t want to derail the post, but naturally, China and Russia have huge human rights violations, and McCain wants to expel Russia out of the G8 summarily. It will certainly be interesting and even entertainig should he win the presidency and take on so many or extend a long list of America`s foes, but responsible?

I recall Bush repeatedly in the 2000 campaign, say that he wanted a more `isolationist` policy and no longerwanted to involve the USA in nation-building. McCain doesn't even have that handbrake.

Already, at the first whiff of grapeshot(and it was Georgia who made the first military moves) "we are all Georgians". Next, McCain, on behalf of the American people, may be declare that we are all Poles or Tibetans or God knows. At the same time he criticizes Obama harshly for his international multilateral attitude when the Democrat nominee merely said he was "a citizen of the world".

The incoherence of McCain is breathtaking, but the swing voter notwithstanding, seems to love it, and that is what counts now, so I suppose we will hear more of it.

crickmore: "Already, at the first whiff of grapeshot(and it was Georgia who made the first military moves) "we are all Georgians"."

This is a lie.

Shocking that a liberal (crickmore) in the US would immediately accept as "truth" whatever comes out of the mouth of not-so-ex-KGBers.

Not.

The fact is that South Ossetia militia loaded up and attacked Georgian troops stationed in and around South Ossetia at exactly the same time that Russian troops poured over the border.

The Russians also took the liberty of bombing sites within Georgia that were far from the South Ossetia area of operations.

But hey, whatever commies and "ex"-commies say has got to be the "truth" to American lefties.

Has anything been more consistent for the last 80 years than that?

American lefties: voice-actuated apologists for the commie totalitarians.

If my memory is correct, the Nazis also charged the Poles attacked them. Fortunately for the Germans, they just happened to have several armored columns in the area.

Steve Crickmore,

"Already, at the first whiff of grapeshot(and it was Georgia who made the first military moves)"

I think Michael Tottens piece pretty well demonstrates that the South Ossetians and the Russians broke the truce:

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php

The above link Kenny provided, reveals the intense hatred of the Ossetians and the Georgians..and it is probably correct if was the Ossetian militias followed by the Georgians and the Russians..The problem is that there was alot of heavy civilian bombing by the Georgians, reprisals or not, as well as from the other sides.

Also, the Georgians want to annex South Ossetia, but the majority of those living there, on 70 thousand don`t want to be part of Georgia (probably, not Russia either). I have oversimplified it, but what I`m suggesting it is not the completely open and close case that McCain was making, like the Warsaw Pact counties invading Czechoslavkia in 1968 or the Nazis invading Poland in 1939 since Ricardo brought the latter up.

Of course, Russia overreacted and brutally exploited the situation but do we really want to be tied to Georgian President Saakashvili who has never hiden his desire to re-integrate South Ossetia into Georgia, despite the wishes of most of those living in South Ossetia. From what I understand the dream of South Ossetia returning to a former `greater Georgia`, is a standard Georgian electioneering platform.

The Georgians don't want to 'annex' South Ossetia. It is part of Georgia. Can anyone find a map of Georgia that does not include South Ossetia?
An armored division was entering Georgia within a very few hours of the events. Armored divisions take days to load up even if forward deployed.

Ricardo, I couldn't find a map in 1988 that didn't say the Ukraine wasn't part of the U.S.S.R. The point about the armoured division stands, though: Russia wants to aggressively annex some territory populated largely by people who would prefer to be part of Russia than Georgia.