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The Obamamessiah: now coming to you as a Greek God!

Sometimes I wonder if there's a mole inside the Obama campaign... someone who plans stuff like this to intentionally make Obama look bad. Because I can't fathom how someone came up with this plan and kept a straight face:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's big speech on Thursday night will be delivered from an elaborate columned stage resembling a miniature Greek temple.

The stage, similar to structures used for rock concerts, has been set up at the 50-yard-line, the midpoint of Invesco Field, the stadium where the Denver Broncos' National Football League team plays.

Some 80,000 supporters will see Obama appear from between plywood columns painted off-white, reminiscent of Washington's Capitol building or even the White House, to accept the party's nomination for president.

He will stride out to a raised platform to a podium that can be raised from beneath the floor.

The show should provide a striking image for the millions of Americans watching on television as Obama delivers a speech accepting the Democratic presidential nomination.

Politicians in past elections have typically spoken from the convention site itself, but the Obama campaign liked the idea of having their man speak to a larger, stadium-sized crowd not far from where the Democratic National Convention is being held, at the Denver pro basketball arena.

Obama was taking a page from the campaign book of John Kennedy in 1960 when the future president delivered his acceptance speech to 80,000 people in the Los Angeles Coliseum.

Once Obama speaks, confetti will rain down on him and fireworks will be fired off from locations around the stadium wall.


You couldn't make this stuff up. Seriously... never would I have imagined that Barack Obama would plan something this ridiculous. And the guy wonders why most Americans see him as an arrogant, elitist snob. He tries to play himself off as an everyman, and then pulls this?! People are tired of the fawning adulation from the media and from Democrats. They're tired of the Obamamessiah passing himself off as some kind of Savior. If Obama was smart, he'd start coming down to Earth... using less of the arrogant God stuff and more of the "I'm just a regular guy" stuff. Performing a speech on a raised platform in a Greek temple with confetti raining from the sky and fireworks is more than a little bit ridiculous. Who in his campaign thought this would endear him to undecided voters? The only people who will like this are the people who are already locked in for Obama. The ones still deciding will be turned off by this. But hey, whatever makes his loss easier in November is good with me. And this was definitely not a good decision.

When your set-up is so ridiculous that it's impossible to use any snark, it's a sign that you probably should go with something more subdued. Just a tip.

Hat Tip: Ace of Spades


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Comments (66)

Perhaps this is all misinfo... (Below threshold)
Proud Kaffir:

Perhaps this is all misinformation deliberately leaked by his aides. The display will actually be much more respectful and restrained.

It may all just be a clever ploy. . . . although I seriously doubt it.

Yes it is all a ploy.... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Yes it is all a ploy.

Actually Obama will speak from on top a mountain with clouds to represent Mount Olympus. Or maybe it was that famous mothership that we have heard about.


I just hope it pours down about 2 minutes into his speech.

Performing a speech on a... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Performing a speech on a raised platform in a Greek temple

Uhh, it's not a Greek temple, that's just the imagery the reporter used to describe the columns. Do you understand imagery?

He also used other imagery: "reminiscent of Washington's Capitol building or even the White House".

But, oh, hee hee hee... we can pretend we didn't see that part, and just use a reporter's adjectives to make false claims about Obama. Hee hee hee!

When your set-up is so r... (Below threshold)
wolfwalker:

When your set-up is so ridiculous that it's impossible to use any snark, it's a sign that you probably should go with something more subdued.

Yep. Definitely, this jumps the snark. Ye gods, what a narcissist!

heaven forbid people actual... (Below threshold)
Rob Hackney:

heaven forbid people actually get enthusiastic about politics and their political candidates.

Is all you have negativity? How about something positive for a change instead of the whines and bleats from the tired old party?

Is all you have ne... (Below threshold)
jpm100:
Is all you have negativity? How about something positive for a change instead of the whines and bleats from the tired old party?
So what's your take on George Bush?
Stonehenge!... (Below threshold)

Stonehenge!

Bruce, I thought I was goin... (Below threshold)

Bruce, I thought I was going to be first with the "Spinal Tap" reference!!!

Well, I still blame McCain ... (Below threshold)

Well, I still blame McCain for making Obama out to be the Messiah candidate. Yep, all his fault.

"....but Obama goes to 11, ... (Below threshold)

"....but Obama goes to 11, see?...and 11 is better..."

Ok, so who thought this wou... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

Ok, so who thought this would be a better idea than 4 years ago with "Reporting for duty!!!"?!?!

Seriously. Do they actually put any thought into these things?!?!

Uhh, it's not a Greek te... (Below threshold)
macofromoc:

Uhh, it's not a Greek temple, that's just the imagery the reporter used to describe the columns. Do you understand imagery?

it's ok Brian you're off the clock -- it's ok to laugh

Democratic presidential ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's big speech on Thursday night will be delivered from an elaborate columned stage resembling a miniature Greek temple.

The cretins at Sparta...er, I mean, the Spartans at Crete!

In ancient times...H... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

In ancient times...
Hundreds of years before the dawn of history
Lived a strange race of people... the Obamas.

No one knows who they were or what they were doing
But their legacy remains
Hewn into the living rock... Of Stonehenge

The cretins at Sparta...... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

The cretins at Sparta...er, I mean, the Spartans at Crete!

Sparta? This is MADNESS!!

Jay Tea's evil thought, red... (Below threshold)

Jay Tea's evil thought, reduced to a single word:

"Samson."

J.

About halfway through he cl... (Below threshold)

About halfway through he climbs into a giant rotating ball a la Tommy Lee, he continues talking about how John McCain and his loyal minions are all racists and so is everyone that doesn't realize he is the change that mankind has been waiting for as the spinning cage extends out over the fawning, fainting masses, sparklers flaring brightly in every direction. His feet firmly strapped to the floor the sphere begins to rotate and Obama will continue stumping for income redistribution, because taking things away from people that have earned it is just the right thing to do as long as it is done by the government and not by private donations and charity, before he is finally returned to the stage to wild applause and those big flaring fire things that you can feel all the way at the back of the arena. (Yes, the Obamasphere will be equipped with a teleprompter to ensure that he doesn't get off message and start talking about 'those damned jesus freaks' or 'gun nuts' or that he wants to be president because we've tried experienced persidents and it's just time for a president with no real work experience, no real political experience, and no accomplishments that holds positions well out of the mainstream to give it a shot)

When the final firework has popped we will be treated to the sight of Katie Couric and Chris Matthews passed out on the floors of their respective viewing booths. Keith Olbermann, after a lengthy, profanity-laced rant against George Bush, will explain that this performance by Barack Crue was perhaps the most thrilling example of pageantry and man's triumph over the greed and misery of the GOP since the opening ceremonies in Beijing, art at its highest form. It will also, he will explain without a trace of irony, prove that Obama is 'just a regular guy, despite an unusual name'. He might bring out Kathy Griffin to scream "Suck it, MLK!" but the crystal ball's a little fuzzy on that one.

(was that, you know, a little over the top?)

Has anyone priced out what ... (Below threshold)

Has anyone priced out what it would cost to get a bunch of Raider fans outta the Black Hole all liquored up, fly them to Denver, and tell them the Raiders are about to play the Broncos for the AFC championship at Invesco and tell 'em to get in there and support their team?

I was betting on OB giving ... (Below threshold)
David:

I was betting on OB giving his speech on a hill with two stone tablets and a burning bush in the background. Oh well.

"Uhh, it's not a G... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:
"Uhh, it's not a Greek temple, that's just the imagery the reporter used to describe the columns. Do you understand imagery?" --Brian

Uhm, better check the pic on Drudge there, Brian... yup, that's some pretty flowery "imagery" the reporter was using...

Will McCain be giving his s... (Below threshold)
PeachPit:

Will McCain be giving his speech in front of that great green background? The one where he looked like cottage cheese on lime jello? And my friends, my friends, my friends, my friends, my friends, my friends....that isn't change we can believe in (and smile without letting the sunflower seeds fall out of your mouth)

I was betting on <... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
I was betting on OB giving his speech on a hill with two stone tablets and a burning bush in the background. Oh well

An easy mistake to make, but his name is Barack Obama, so BO would be his initials. An easy way to remember this is to just think of why people use a deodorant. On the other hand, OB is being used for the Obama-Biden ticket and an easy way to remember who's on it is the name Joe BOB (Joe, Barack Obama-Biden).

The mole's name starts with... (Below threshold)
mojo:

The mole's name starts with an "H", I think...

Uhm, better check the pi... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Uhm, better check the pic on Drudge there, Brian... yup, that's some pretty flowery "imagery" the reporter was using...

Yeah, it looks just like a Greek temple. Couldn't be anything else, could it? But that's no fun! Tee hee!

Greek Temple, Model of the ... (Below threshold)
Chip:

Greek Temple, Model of the WhiteHouse, what's the difference? It's a little presumptuous don't ya think?

Don't say it's not because you know if McCain were doing the same thing you would be thinking the same.

Just like linking Obama to Ayers is simply trying to apply guilt by association, well they're trying to do the same thing with the Keating 5 and George Bush. If you liberals want us to let Obama stand on his own without the chains of Ayers and Rezco, you've gotta be willing to do the same thing with McCain and you guys aren't about to do that either, so there.

Greek Temple, Model of t... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Greek Temple, Model of the WhiteHouse, what's the difference?

Fine, then encourage Cassy to mock him for White House imagery, and not hide her snip behind a false "Greek God" meme.

It's a little presumptuous don't ya think?

No moreso than being introduced as "the next president of the United States", which is standard fare for both parties. Don't ya think?

Just like linking Obama to Ayers is simply trying to apply guilt by association, well they're trying to do the same thing with the Keating 5

McCain was investigated and sanctioned by Congress. That's not "association"; that goes on his permanent record.

Greek Temple, Model of t... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Greek Temple, Model of the WhiteHouse, what's the difference? It's a little presumptuous don't ya think?

He is running for president, you know. Anyway, the structure itself looks more like this one.

Don't say it's not because you know if McCain were doing the same thing you would be thinking the same.

You are full of shit. No one would care if McCain put columns on the stage (at least no one who's the slightest bit familiar with Washington, DC). No one would be spouting bullshit about McCain thinking he's a Greek god.

Btw, are no rightwingers even aware that it was the Greeks who fucking invented democracy?

Just like linking Obama to Ayers is simply trying to apply guilt by association, well they're trying to do the same thing with the Keating 5 and George Bush.

McCain is one of the Keating 5! It's not guilt by association, he was investigated and admonished by the Senate Ethics Committee. He himself said, "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do." and that it was "the worst mistake of my life." That's not guilt by association, chuckles, those are the man's own words.

Also, considering he has supported and seeks to continue most of the president's policies, that's not guilt by association either.

Guilt by association is linking Obama to the terrorist activities of the SDS that happened when he was eight years old, and to Rezko's crimes which had absolutely nothing to do with him. We know you all were desperately hoping for the court to find some connection during Rezko's trial, but there was none.

mantis:B... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

mantis:

Btw, are no rightwingers even aware that it was the Greeks who fucking invented democracy?

Yes and precisely WTF has this got to do with anything ? I say we take a vote as to whether mantis should drink hemlock for his nonsequitur...

(Oh, and FYI...the U.S. isn't a democracy. I believe you can thank FDR for that nonsense.)

McCain is one of t... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
McCain is one of the Keating 5! It's not guilt by association, he was investigated and admonished by the Senate Ethics Committee.

McCain was only cited on the appearance of impropriety, not for any crime. McCain has admitted his mistake and moved on.

Ayers is currently unrepentant of his terrorist crimes and so it doesn't mater if Obama was only 8 when they were committed. It's Obama's knowing association with an unrepentant terrors that has the appearance of impropriety, but Obama has never admitted this mistake and moved on.

Rezko is currently serving a long sentence for his criminal activity. Obama's association with Rezko has the appearance of impropriety, but Obama has never admitted this mistake and moved on.

Btw, are no rightw... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:
Btw, are no rightwingers even aware that it was the Greeks who fucking invented democracy?

Of course we are... which makes it amusing for Obama to play "dress up" as Apollo, God of Light and Truth (as a Trek nerd, I am reminded of the "Plato's Stepchildren" and "Who Mourns for Adonais" episodes in TOS)

This just keeps getting better and better...

EXCLUSIVE Preview photo of acceptance speech HERE!

mantis, you didn't get the ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

mantis, you didn't get the memo from Zeus: only gods (and, on Thursday afternoons, demi-gods) can set foot on parthenon-like structures, by pain of lightning bolt to the flag-shaped lapel pin.

OMIGOD HE IS SO UPPITY!!!!

Brian - "No moreso than... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brian - "No moreso than being introduced as "the next president of the United States", which is standard fare for both parties. Don't ya think?"

Correct, but that little tagline is a far cry from what appears to be a rather expensive stage play.

Would you as a Obama supporter be happy if hard earned cash you donated were in part given to stage this.

Or would you be more inclined to think it could be better spent on clear, honest ads talking to the American people?

Marc, I thought th... (Below threshold)
Chip:

Marc,

I thought they had allready made it clear they don't really care how Obama gets into the whitehouse, just as long as he gets there.

OMIGOD HE IS SO UP... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:
OMIGOD HE IS SO UPPITY!!!!

And yet again, leftards using disparaging racial remarks they think conservatives use... But it's o.k. for them to use cuz' it's sarcastic and "humorous". Next, hyperbolist will tell us it's o.k. for him/her to write such things because he knows someone who's black.

No, it's okay because I'm u... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

No, it's okay because I'm using it ironically. And of course I have black friends.

SOTG, context matters. Nas saying "nigga" is not the same as a Klan member saying it. One instance is fine, the other is not. And so forth. Pick your hateful put-down (negro, fag(got), dyke, etc.) If it makes you sad that you can't use these words, pick one that pertains to your specific ethnicity and wear it as a badge of pride.

Yes and precisely WTF ha... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Yes and precisely WTF has this got to do with anything ?

Well, if you weren't so dim, you would realize that the architecture of many government structures (the Capitol, National Gallery, Lincoln Memorial, etc.) in Washington, DC is primarily neoclassical in design. Neoclassical architecture is largely derived from classical Greek architecture, and the choice deliberately reflected an association with Greek roots of democracy. Elements of classical Roman architecture, such as the Capitol dome, were also included, in a nod to the Romans' invention of the republic. You can largely thank Thomas Jefferson for that, though I'm sure you'll just spew something about him thinking he was a Greek god. Gotta be consistent, right?

(Oh, and FYI...the U.S. isn't a democracy. I believe you can thank FDR for that nonsense.)

Thanks for trotting out the beloved pedantic argument of dimwits and dullards. Democracy has long been shorthand for our system of government. Over the years the commonly recognized definition of democracy has changed, and people usually reference the older definition as "pure democracy" or "direct democracy," in which the public decides policy matters directly (which does in fact exist in this country, though in limited ways). Nowadays the word is generally recognized to mean a system in which the government derives its power from the people. FDR did help this change on its way, but he was not the first, or only, person to do so.

Besides, I never said the US was a democracy. I do wonder if you constantly run around telling people they are using the wrong words when they use a term that has changed over time. Do you tell them that the box on their desk is not a computer, as that term is reserved for a person who does math? Do you chide those who say "for the layman" for referring to something other than those not of the clergy?

McCain was only cited on... (Below threshold)
mantis:

McCain was only cited on the appearance of impropriety, not for any crime.

And Obama wasn't cited for jack shit, he just knows people who were. I know some criminals, too. Does that make me one?

It may not be true... I'm h... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

It may not be true... I'm hoping it is:

Another Obama prop for Denver?

Again, the story hasn't been verified... If it's someone having a go, it's a pretty good one.

And Obama wasn't c... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:
And Obama wasn't cited for jack shit, he just knows people who were. I know some criminals, too. Does that make me one?

Probably not... But then, you're not running for the highest position in the nation.

So because Obama is, you'd ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

So because Obama is, you'd rather speak to his tangential association with criminals than his merits or lack thereof as a politician? These allegations are so stupid and boring. Get over them and get back to finding reasons to vote for the guy who *allegedly* called his wife the c-word.

I know some crimin... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
I know some criminals, too. Does that make me one?

I see you've been gathering straw again. I never said anyone is a criminal for associating with one. Hang out with a known and unrepentant pedophile and then try running for public office. Even many lefties think pedophilia is a crime and your knowing association with such a person would have the appearance of impropriety.

And Obama wasn't cited for jack shit, he just knows people who were.

Obama launched his first campaign for public office from the home of Ayers, a known and unrepentant terrorist. Ayers wasn't tired and acquitted, he escaped justice on a technicality. I know that bombing government buildings isn't considered a crime among lefties, but it is among the majority of Americans. Obama's association with Ayers has the appearance of impropriety and it helps McCain that Obama has never admitted this mistake and moved on. Just keep telling yourself there's nothing to this.

hyperbolist - "One inst... (Below threshold)
marc:

hyperbolist - "One instance is fine, the other is not."

Look he is offering a new take on the old Theory of Relativity.

No it's not "fine" for either party to use it. Just because NAS is black he gets a pass on using a racial phrase? Sorry no, but obviously he does in your world.

Theory of Relativity?! marc... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Theory of Relativity?! marc, don't be obtuse: Chris Rock can drop the n-bomb, and Trent Lott can't. You do understand why, but in your misguided effort at being 'colour blind', you ignore the obvious reason.

"You faggot!" can be a term of endearment between gay men, or the worst possible thing a skinhead could say to a kid standing in front of a gay bar. Of course the import of a verbal utterance is relative. You say it as though it's not obvious (it is), but as though it's obviously a bad thing (it isn't necessarily).

Hyper - "You do underst... (Below threshold)
marc:

Hyper - "You do understand why, but in your misguided effort at being 'colour blind', you ignore the obvious reason."

Not ignoring anything but you attempting to spin away your own example, NAS, who 99.999 percent of the time is using the term in a context that is far from your "acceptable" examples.

Would you as a Obama sup... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Would you as a Obama supporter be happy if hard earned cash you donated were in part given to stage this.

Of course, it's part of the game. Would you as a Bush supporter be happy if your hard earned taxes were in part given to stage Bush in a fighter jet landing on an aircraft carrier to give a speech?

Or would you be more inclined to think it could be better spent on clear, honest ads talking to the American people?

Are you that naive about political ads?

mantis:W... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

mantis:

Well, if you weren't so dim, you would realize that the architecture of many government structures (the Capitol, National Gallery, Lincoln Memorial, etc.) in Washington, DC is primarily neoclassical in design.

And if you weren't stricken with cranal-rectal inversion, you might see what makes this production laughable is NOT the fact that it's a huge, absurdly grandiose Greek themed concert but that it's a huge and absurdly grandiose.

BTW, any idea if the Obamessiah will have backup singers during the act ? Be sure to get me a T-shirt.

_Mike_ would prefer that Ob... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

_Mike_ would prefer that Obama give his speech in a high school gymnasium.

As Brian pointed out, Bush landing on an aircraft carrier in a fighter plane is totally awesome war porn for the knuckle draggers, but it's totally over the top for a Presidential candidate to use some of his massive war chest to set up an elaborate stage from which to deliver his speech.

Sheesh.

Surprisingly, the McCain ca... (Below threshold)

Surprisingly, the McCain camp has again come up with a better response than rightside bloggers to something the Obama camp is doing:

The McCain campaign Wednesday released a memo mockingly titled, "Proper Attire for the Temple of Obama (The Barackopolis)"

yeah, this can't possibly backfire on the Big Zero. Barackopolis. Classic.

As Brian pointed o... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
As Brian pointed out, Bush landing on an aircraft carrier in a fighter plane is totally awesome war porn for the knuckle draggers, but it's totally over the top for a Presidential candidate to use some of his massive war chest to set up an elaborate stage from which to deliver his speech.

Unlike Obama, Bush actually was the President. The left used that backdrop to criticize Bush to no end, but somehow they think it's off limits to criticize Obama for his overblown ego and effrontery.

what makes this producti... (Below threshold)
mantis:

what makes this production laughable is NOT the fact that it's a huge, absurdly grandiose Greek themed concert but that it's a huge and absurdly grandiose.

Sure it is. That's why the rightosphere exploded with the "He thinks he's a Greek god" meme (see the title of this post, moron).

I understand that it's disconcerting to you that the Republican candidate is having trouble giving tickets away to his rally on Friday, but the fact that Obama can put asses in the seats is not exactly a negative for him. I know you wish it were, and latch onto whatever idiotic new argument to that effect that bubbles up from the rightwing blogsludge, but wishing doesn't make it so.

The left used that backd... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The left used that backdrop to criticize Bush to no end, but somehow they think it's off limits to criticize Obama for his overblown ego and effrontery.

Just because someone tells you your arguments are stupid does not mean they think they're "off limits". In fact, your continued projection of stupidity is most welcome. Keep up the good work.

Just because someo... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Just because someone tells you your arguments are stupid does not mean they think they're "off limits". In fact, your continued projection of stupidity is most welcome. Keep up the good work.

Of limits was just a nice code word for piss and moan and cough up strawmen. Something you're doing a good job of. Keep posting your brain farts, they're very entraining.

<a href="http://article.nat... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
"entraining"? Somebody beat... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

"entraining"? Somebody beat me to the liquor cabinet, and it isn't even 3 o'clock! :)

You did say off-limits, Mac. Nobody's saying you can't compare Obama to a Greek god; we've merely pointed out that it's an absurd comparison, especially in light of what mantis had to say about the architecture being neo-classical American rather than Greek.

Again: you guys would prefer that he gave his speech in a high school gymnasium. Point taken. You want him to be more humble. Got it. Anything else? Colour of his ties too bold lately?

Of limits was just a nic... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Of limits was just a nice code word for piss and moan and cough up strawmen.

No, it's a perpetuation of the constant cry of "look, look, I'm being repressed" from so many on the right. If someone disagrees with what you say, they are trying to "silence" you or curtail your "free speech," or making things you say "off limits." Lorie Byrd's bitching about it right now: "Free Speech for Me, Not Thee (if thee is a Republican)".

No one is saying anything is off limits. We're saying your arguments are laughably idiotic.

You did say off-li... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
You did say off-limits, Mac. Nobody's saying you can't compare Obama to a Greek god; we've merely pointed out that it's an absurd comparison,

But of course this discussion has gone way past that point. I linked to a story in post #53 that demonstrates the lengths Obama supporters are going to in an attempt to suppress reporting details of Obama's links to Ayers. Obviously, Obama and his supporters think such criticism of him is off limits. In the meantime some intellectual puppy thinks McCain not filling a 12,000 seat facility is significant news.

No one is saying a... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
No one is saying anything is off limits. We're saying your arguments are laughably idiotic.

What's laughable is how uninformed you are. The story I linked in post 53 show Obama and his supporters are saying details of Obama's links to Ayers are off limits. I wonder way?

Obviously, Obama and his... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Obviously, Obama and his supporters think such criticism of him is off limits.

Notice that they haven't gone after anyone talking about Ayers on any news program, but they have gone after the group breaking the law (including McCain's law, I might add). The law, of course, never applies to the right.

In the meantime some intellectual puppy thinks McCain not filling a 12,000 seat facility is significant news.

In response to the idiotic assertion that Obama's ability to generate enthusiasm among his supporters in great numbers is somehow a negative for the candidate. But mentioning the lack of enthusiasm for McCain is "off limits," right?

hyper:_Mike_ wo... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

hyper:

_Mike_ would prefer that Obama give his speech in a high school gymnasium.

No, this is much more entertaining. Obama has decided to go 'over the top' for this production. That's his prerogative. And in turn, I can make fun of it and point out that it is a bit 'over the top' (as compared to the typical convention acceptance). However, when you make fun of someone's religious figures, you get angry responses (see comments above).

Notice that they h... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Notice that they haven't gone after anyone talking about Ayers on any news program.

Well I'm sure you don't consider talk radio a "news program", nevertheless, it's a public forum and Obama and camp think it's off limits for someone to bring up his connections with Ayers, even going so far as to send out an e-mail to his goons to swamp the radio station with calls.

But mentioning the lack of enthusiasm for McCain is "off limits," right?

Do you even realize it when you create strawman arguments or do you just fart them out from habit? I said "some intellectual puppy thinks McCain not filling a 12,000 seat facility is significant news." Didn't say it was off limits at all.

The story I linked in po... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The story I linked in post 53 show Obama and his supporters are saying details of Obama's links to Ayers are off limits.

It says they "risibly complain." Doesn't say anything about "off limits." How does complaining stop anyone from saying anything, exactly?

While you're at it, why don't you talk about rightwingers Dunkin Donuts boycott, McDonalds' boycott, Tyson Foods, American Girl, ABC/Disney, etc. etc. etc., in which wingers have also "risibly complained" to corporations about whatever bug they had up their asses that week. How is that different from Obama supporters complaining about the peddling of bullshit by Kurtz and Simmons?

Didn't say it was off li... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Didn't say it was off limits at all.

Yes, you did. Remember?

Of (sic) limits was just a nice code word for piss and moan and cough up strawmen

When you piss and moan, you declare things off limits. Don't define things if you're just going to forget your own definition moments later.

It says they "ris... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
It says they "risibly complain." Doesn't say anything about "off limits.

"It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our public airwaves. -- Obama Action Wire

It's apparent that Obama's campaign thinks such criticism is off limits.

How does complaining stop anyone from saying anything, exactly?

"Calling will only take a minute, and it will make a huge difference if we nip this smear in the bud. Confront Kurtz tonight before this goes any further:

Please forward this email to everyone you know who can make a call tonight." -- Obama Action Wire

Obama's campaign is doing more than just complaining, they were setting up the phone equivalent of a denial of service attack.

While you're at it, why don't you talk about rightwingers Dunkin Donuts boycott, McDonalds' boycott, Tyson Foods, American Girl, ABC/Disney, etc. etc. etc., in which wingers have also "risibly complained" to corporations about whatever bug they had up their asses that week. How is that different from Obama supporters complaining about the peddling of bullshit by Kurtz and Simmons?

Didn't say it was different. The point I made in post #49 in response to post #47, is that Bush has been criticized for his use of theatrics and everything else, but Obama and company act as if they think such criticism of him is off limits as evidenced by Obama's e-mail.

Obama's campaign is doin... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Obama's campaign is doing more than just complaining, they were setting up the phone equivalent of a denial of service attack.

Tying up phone lines doesn't stop a radio station from broadcasting. Nothing like a DDOS.

Didn't say it was different.

But you weren't whining about them doing it, were you?

The point I made in post #49 in response to post #47, is that Bush has been criticized for his use of theatrics and everything else, but Obama and company act as if they think such criticism of him is off limits as evidenced by Obama's e-mail.

And you have pissed and moaned many times about liberals criticizing Bush for the Mission Accomplished banner. Like right here:

Yes I can see the lie in front of my eyes, but it's not coming from the White House. It's the libs who want to take the banner out of context and apply it to the entire Iraq conflict, and that's the lie.

Pot. Kettle.

This was your question to m... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

This was your question to me: But mentioning the lack of enthusiasm for McCain is "off limits," right?

So if you agree the definition of "off-limits" is piss and moan and cough up strawmen, then are you saying that your "mentioning the lack of enthusiasm for McCain" equates to piss and moan and cough up strawmen?

I didn't think so, and said as much.

Now you say Yes, you did. Remember?

Well ok, if you insist I'll accept that you were pissing and moaning and coughing up strawmen.

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Mac Lorry:
Tying up phone lines doesn't stop a radio station from broadcasting. Nothing like a DDOS.

It's talk radio. The whole point is to have conversations with callers. All they got for the first hour were Obama's goons tying up the lines. That's more than complaining.

But you weren't whining about them doing it, were you?
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And you have pissed and moaned many times about liberals criticizing Bush for the Mission Accomplished banner. Like right here:

Irrelevant. The point is that the left has been dishing it out at Bush and now that they're finding themselves on the other side the chief lefty says it's "absolutely unacceptable".

The left can sure dish it out but they can't take it.




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