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Nutroot reaction to Palin

I am quoting the comment below from DU in case it disappears:

MartyL Aug-29-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message
63. McCain is an idiot- but Sarah Palin is a real maveric

Everyone loves her up here...except for the corrupt 'Conservatives' and that should tell us something.

(from another post)
I like Sarah. I don't agree with her on everything, but she seems like a good person and she kicked out that corrupt bastard Murkowski so I am very appreciative. She also just came up with the idea (that recently passed) to give Alaskans a piece of the huge oil revenues coming in to help pay for our excessive gas and energy prices. I know everyone has been dealing with this, but in Alaska our gas prices are the highest in the nation(still almost $5), and let me tell you our grocery prices, building supplies...reflect that. We have been hurting. And the 'Conservatives' (who love their pork from Don Young and Stevens) are all complaining about this 'handout' for no apparent reason other then they don't want to pay more in taxes.

To create a distraction from the very real and obvious corruption of Stevens and Young(who are going down this november!!!), the 'Conservatives' up here want to Impeach Sarah Palin for some stupid ass firing of some cop. The radio stations and other corporate media totally support the corrupt bastards and are after her because she is not some bought off corporate controlled idiot like they are.

So far that is the only post I have found on the lib-logs that is not over-the-top negative. The negative comments don't tend to be as specific as the positive one above.

On Anderson Cooper's show, James Carville went overboard declaring Palin a Pat Buchanan Republican. Palin wore a Buchanan button when he visited Alaska, but she made clear that she did not endorse him. Carville surely knows this, but will continue to mislead. That was his big criticism of Palin. I kinda thought he could have come up with more than that. He didn't look terribly thrilled. I think this choice is scaring the stuff out of Democrats.

More liberal reaction from Melanie Morgan:

And from my own anecdote file today:

...a Democrat businesswoman who was going to be interviewed on Air America on a non-related political topic tells me that the lefty liberal network producers are telling her that the Republicans just won the election with the Palin choice. It's nice to hear the lib's are running scared.

Update: Bob Owens has some Kos slime regarding Palin's youngest child. Just when you think you have seen the worst, they continue to deliver it.

Update II: Allah is debunking some half truths about Palin at Hot Air.


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It's been a riot to read th... (Below threshold)

It's been a riot to read the reaction to Palin on the liberal blogs today. They all contain one of the following "arguments":

(1) She was chosen just because of her gender.
(2) She doesn't have enough experience to be VPOTUS and potentially POTUS.
(3) The ex-brother-in-law "scandal."
(4) AMG she's a pro-life conservative who believes in God, QQ!

1 and 2 almost immediately backfire, 3 is easily dismissed and 4 is just delicious. Defending Sarah Palin from liberals is like shooting retarded fish in a barrel.

The amazing thing I keep se... (Below threshold)
cirby:

The amazing thing I keep seeing is the large number of "progressives" who are spouting insanely misogynistic crap. If someone had said the same sort of things about Hillary at any time in the last few months, they would have been lynched.

It's interesting to witness the bigotry and hatred of the left. "Progressive?" Nope. "Liberal?" Not a chance. They're just plain old leftists, who say one thing until it's inconvenient, then say whatever they think they can get away with, because they know their constituents will buy it.

And oh, boy, is it backfiring. If they had just shut up, they might have had a chance to hold onto almost all of the Hillary voters. As it is, they've lost a lot already, and are busily alienating more every second.

Meanwhile, they're actually dumb enough to use the "lack of experience" card - on a woman with MORE experience than Obama. And a "corruption" claim on a woman who's known for fighting same (How's the Chicago machine now, Barry? Still writing enough checks?).

Oops.

The Obama "foregone conclusion" is looking more like a "never mind."

...and one more thing. One Presidential ticket has two lawyers on it. The other has zero. Guess which is which?

I couldn't believe it when ... (Below threshold)

I couldn't believe it when I saw comments about her staying home with her baby where she belongs. I thought the Democrats were supposed to be more enlightened than that. She has obviously been doing fine with her little one. They certainly wouldn't be saying these things if she were the father of a Downs baby, now would they?

Not to differ with you neoc... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Not to differ with you neocons and diehard-wool-over-your-eyes-conservatives, but this is not a very good pick for McCain. While it does help solidify the base, it's a gross distortion of reality to suggest that she will allow McCain to pick up disgruntled Hillary supporters because her policy positions are so far to the right of Hillary. To make this argument, you have to essentially state that these Hillary supporters will vote for any woman no matter how alien or foreign the woman is to their own position. I don't think that's likely.

Secondly, this pick destroys your side's best argument: experience. You can't go around and say that Obama has no experience to be president when you pick a VP that has even less experience (or perhaps you'll argue has slightly more or an equal amount). The point is that if experience was truly a bona-fide argument against Obama, McCain would have picked someone with experience. However, by picking Palin, McCain hurts his argument because the pick acknowledges that experience is not relevant to running for president.

We'll both find out who's right very shortly. I see this pick as solidfying the dems chances to win the White House this year, not hurting it. Once the new gallup poll comes out on Monday we'll get a good read of how much the pick actually changes the political landscape because that is the first poll that will query voters from Friday-Sunday.

I see Obama hitting the low to mid 50's in voter preference by Monday and then sliding to probably +4 or +5 after the RNC. Don't fret too much, You'll still be within shooting distance to win this thing. It's even more remarkable when we consider how utterly bad the GOP has ran this country for the last four years.

is one hot woman!

As a wise man once noted, "... (Below threshold)
sanssoucy:

As a wise man once noted, "You know you're over the target when you start taking flak."

The scalded-cat reactions from every lefty in the MSM is perfectly eloquent testimony that the Palin pick was fukking *brilliant*. They're *terrified* of her, as evidenced by the fact that they're going bananas.

I particularly love the "she's not experienced enough" reactions. Oh, my heavens! In his wildest dreams, McCain can't have thought that the media would be stupid enough to loudly argue that somebody *with almost exactly the same experience as Obambi* was just plain unqualified for the White House.

Watch the Dems try to ditch Biden and crawl back to Hillary. That's gonna be Hillarious.

And as to the dumbass theor... (Below threshold)
sanssoucy:

And as to the dumbass theory that goes, "Oh, now McCain can't argue that he's more experienced than Obambi, because his VP is only *as* experienced as Obambi," we can only say:

Huh? WTF?

POP QUIZ

Where do you want the lightweight, no-resume eye-candy on the ticket?

(1) President
(2) Vice President

Secondly, this pic... (Below threshold)
Secondly, this pick destroys your side's best argument: experience. You can't go around and say that Obama has no experience to be president when you pick a VP that has even less experien

All right, but what is Obama's experience besides running for President? What has he done? Palin has done more at a state level than even Barack wants to offer up. He seems to hide a lot of his local experience. Why is that?

Ask anyone with a brain and... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

Ask anyone with a brain and a little knowledge of what governors do(sorry libs, you dont qualify), and they'll tell you a week as a governor leads to more 'experience' than a year as a Senator.

The 'buck stops' with the Governor, while, in the Senate, people can hide behind committees, compromises, and, sadly, the most stupid and lazy and idiotic thing Ive ever heard at a vote, voting 'Present'.

Of the '4' we have to choose from, 1 has actually spent much of her career fighting corruption on her own party. Another has not only cozied up to as many corrupt people as he can find, he actually ha ssent out his attack dogs to try to limit the 1st Amendment rights of a group thats concerned about his impossible to hide, impossible to distort relationship with a know domestic terrorist, who 'wishes he would have done more'.

#4 Eric: While it does help... (Below threshold)

#4 Eric: While it does help solidify the base, it's a gross distortion of reality to suggest that she will allow McCain to pick up disgruntled Hillary supporters because her policy positions are so far to the right of Hillary. To make this argument, you have to essentially state that these Hillary supporters will vote for any woman no matter how alien or foreign the woman is to their own position. I don't think that's likely.
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Eric, I don't think you paid a visit to the Hillary Clinton forums yesterday. Hillary Clinton supporters who haven't pledged allegiance to Obama yet are loving the pick. We don't know how significant that faction is, but it's definitely there. In their eyes, the fact that McCain is very middle-of-the-road help's balance Palin's conservatism.

I'd also point out that Monday's polls won't necessarily be a good gauge of how the pick went. It's natural for a candidate to get a bounce in the polls after its party convention. We won't really know how things sit until two weeks after the RNC, when all the convention bounce dust settles.

Eric, do you not get the "b... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

Eric, do you not get the "big tent" aspect of the Democrat party? They have a very large contingent of single-issue voters. The only question is whether there will be more "womyn" voters gained than pro-death voters lost.. and I have a sneaking suspicion that even if he went with a pro-death candidate he still wouldn't have pulled any of those from the democrat ticket since Obama is such a radical on the issue.

(Yes, pro-death is a little over the top, but hell, I have to live with being a "warmonger," so get over it.)

Neocons -I think y... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Neocons -

I think you guys are flat out wrong in your analysis. Your experience argument is gone. You can't argue experience matters when you pick someone that doens't have any. If you can't see that point, well, I guess that's why your a freedom hating neocon.

Time will tell though! We don't have long before some poll results are done. Hillary supporters aren't going to support Palin just because she is a woman. I disagree with you guys. It isn't that simple. Now, if anyone has a link to these "hillary forums" that you are referring to, I'd be happy to check it out. One caution though on these forums: the people "posting"...are they trolls? In other words, are they basically you guys acting as hillary supporters?

>>>> All right, but what i... (Below threshold)
Eric:

>>>> All right, but what is Obama's experience besides running for President? What has he done? Palin has done more at a state level than even Barack wants to offer up. He seems to hide a lot of his local experience. Why is that?

I didn't know Obama's experience in the State Legislator and as a community organizer wasn't being highlighted. I tend to differ with you here on her experience. Being the mayor of a town of 5,000 people doesn't exactly qualify as a load of experience in my view. I disagree with the poster's thought that a week's worth of exp in the Alaska Govenorship is worth more than Obama's entire exp.

One other point before I leave you guys to your echo chamber. Someone posted that the "libs" must be "scared" because "every" "lib" is criticizing the pic. Thus your logic is this:
If everyone of a group say that something is bad, then that the group must think that it is good.
The problem with this logic is it is fatally flawed because it fails to consider that the something (in this case Palin) might actually be bad.
It's also a superfluous argument. In short, this poster believes that since the Dems criticized the pic they think McCain picked the right candidiate. I have a sneak suspicion that if the Dems praised the pick, this poster would say the same thing. Thus, this poster blindly believes that no matter what the Dems says, they are scared. In short, you are looking at this process through grossly rose coloured glasses.

I'm off to the pub!

palin was not governor yet ... (Below threshold)
angle of repose:

palin was not governor yet when mccain began his presidential campaign.

the alaska legislature is in session only 90 days a year.

karl rove, discussing the qualifications of governor kaine to be obama's vp pick, declared kaine to be unqualified because of his short time as governor (longer than palin, of a state with a significantly larger population than alaska) and lack of significant accomplishment.

tell me again how being the mayor of a town with a population of approximately 7,000 (where she left behind an enormous long-term debt) is equivalent to obama's career as a community organizer, state rep, state senator and federal senator?

i didn't think so.

"Not to differ with you ... (Below threshold)

"Not to differ with you neocons and diehard-wool-over-your-eyes-conservatives, but ..."

And that's where I stopped reading. Odd how that is you know. When someone starts off with petty insults, for some reason I get the impression that they can't muster enough confidence in their own opinions without first degrading their opponent.

Where I'm from we call these people officious pricks and their arguments usually degrade into weak analyses and crystal ball predictions.

#11: "If you can't see that... (Below threshold)

#11: "If you can't see that point, well, I guess that's why your a freedom hating neocon."

Are you for real? LOL

Anyways, here is your link to Hillary-land. You can look at the post history and see that these people are long-time posters on the Hillary Clinton forums, not "neocons" who just registered there yesterday to create a buzz.

Girl - Thanks for the link,... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Girl - Thanks for the link, but count me as skeptical that these supporters were dems in the first place. Most of the posters are pro life, anti-union, social conservative voters who claim that they are independent. Those are not voters who are the core of the democratic party.

Oyster - Now don't go off a sanctimonious tangent. Have you read the posts from your own side which slam the other? Do you listen and agree with Rush/Hannity/Coulter/FOXNews/et al? Let me provide a few quotes from this VERY THREAD:

A) Defending Sarah Palin from liberals is like shooting retarded fish in a barrel.
B) Ask anyone with a brain and a little knowledge of what governors do(sorry libs, you dont qualify)...[implication: liberals don't have a brain]
C) And as to the dumbass theory that goes...

Look Oyster, not to burst you bubble here but the viciousness of attitudes started with the attacks from the right on the left. Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh all of these right wingers routinely trash and degenerate those on the left.

Don't worry about me sending money to the Dems. I was for Ron Paul. I'll probably support Bob Barr. But, understand this, I am personally disgusted with what the Republicans have done to this country on a fiscal level (borrow and spend), a foreign policy level (war of choice), and a freedom level (the police state of the Bush Administration). I'm a libertarian who loves freedom, but to my fellow fiscal conservatives, I am very much opposed to giving away my personal freedoms in the name of "security" (the surveillance state) or for "values" (no gay marriage, anti-abortion, no freedom to do to your own body what you want, requirements to wear seatbelts, etc...) I call it the nanny state.

Back to the pub!

"Thanks for the link, but c... (Below threshold)

"Thanks for the link, but count me as skeptical that these supporters were dems in the first place. Most of the posters are pro life, anti-union, social conservative voters who claim that they are independent. Those are not voters who are the core of the democratic party."

I never said they were Democrats in the first place, I said they were Hillary supporters. They'd have supported the Democrat candidate had it been Hillary, and now they're supporting the Republican one. That support could be enough to tip the election; I think we both agree only time will tell.

BTW, my "shooting retarded fish in a barrel" comment? I was calling the arguments against Palin retarded, not the people making them. I'm not perfect but I do try to avoid name-calling as much as possible.

Eric, I'd accept your argum... (Below threshold)

Eric, I'd accept your argument against what I said if you could show me which "neocons and diehard-wool-over-your-eyes-conservatives" here were on a largely liberal website and started off by directly insulting the very people they wanted to take them seriously. Are you simply arguing that it's okay for you to begin your argument like that, directed to us here, because someone here said mean things about liberals elsewhere? I'm having trouble seeing that as a legitimate justification.

"Do you listen and agree with Rush/Hannity/Coulter/FOXNews/et al?"

I hope I'm not bursting your bubble either by telling you I can't remember the last time I watched Fox News or read Coulter and only occasionally check in with Hannity or Limbaugh (about as often as I check in with DailyKos or HuffPo (which is, in all cases, rarely).

I say Ron Paul is a kook. You would use that as justification to call me a name.

If you think that americans... (Below threshold)
Bruce Steinberg:

If you think that americans are stupid enough to vote for grandpa mccain because he brought on the most inexperiences moose eating conservative chickiepoo EVER to be considered a vice president... you are so sadly mistaken. The Democrats across the country are scheduling parties at the colossal stupidity of choosing someone with no stature, no experience and no record to be one heartbeat from the White House.

Oh, yes... they couldn't even fill the hall when he made the pathetic announcement... and then what does your new vp nominee do.... she talks about Hillary.

This was the Hail Mary of a lifetime... and it sealed the fate of the worst run campaign in history. It showed a disdain for the intelligence of americans, and complete incompetence at making critical decisions about who should be running the country... and clearly showed that Grandpa McCain is so desperate, that he would choose the single least known American politician in the country to be his vp nominee.

Kid yourself all you want... you have got a real problem.... this woman will be chewed alive and by the Democrats and it will very very embarrassing for you bigoted, hateful republicans. You will get what's coming to you and its gonna hurt REAL BAD.




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