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Shocker: NOW comes out against Sarah Palin

All because she doesn't support "women's issues", meaning she doesn't support abortion. Because, you know, all women care about is abortion. That's it. Only abortion. Nothing else.

Sen. John McCain's choice of Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running mate is a cynical effort to appeal to disappointed Hillary Clinton voters and get them to vote, ultimately, against their own self-interest.

Gov. Palin may be the second woman vice-presidential candidate on a major party ticket, but she is not the right woman. Sadly, she is a woman who opposes women's rights, just like John McCain.

The fact that Palin is a mother of five who has a 4-month-old baby, a woman who is juggling work and family responsibilities, will speak to many women. But will Palin speak FOR women? Based on her record and her stated positions, the answer is clearly No.

...

What McCain does not understand is that women supported Hillary Clinton not just because she was a woman, but because she was a champion on their issues. They will surely not find Sarah Palin to be an advocate for women.


OK, that's not fair of me. In the press release, there's other stuff in there that count as "women's issues". There's domestic violence legislation, pay equity, and "advocacy". Sorry. I guess that means other issues, like the economy, national security, and energy independence are men's issues that women don't care about.

Well, I guess that makes me a dude. Because you know what? I don't have any clue what they mean by this mysterious advocacy for women. I don't see the hype about domestic violence, and I'm a freaking survivor of domestic abuse. Isn't domestic abuse already illegal? If it's reported, then the abuser goes to jail. I've volunteered at domestic abuse shelters,. There's a lot of avenues for an abused woman to explore when it comes to getting help and prosecuting abusers, and the only thing required of the victim is to seek help. If she doesn't, then there's nothing anyone can do. I know this from firsthand experience. So, does that mean the state should intervene? Do random relationship checks to make sure that no one is being abused? I mean, what is the government supposed to do to fix that? What am I missing?

Of course, the big "women's issue" to feminists is abortion. This is apparently on the forefront of all women's minds, and we're all pro-choice. Those of us who are pro-life are either brainwashed or self-haters. But what feminists don't seem to understand is that women actually -- GASP!! -- care about other stuff, too. What a concept: women care about big-boy issues like the economy and the War on Terror, too!

Also, if anyone wants to talk about condescension towards women, you can't even begin to have that discussion without mentioning modern day feminism. They are sneeringly condescending to any woman who doesn't agree with them. This NOW press release is dripping with condescension. It's as if women can't understand for themselves what they want. Thank God feminism came along to educate us ignorant women who can't understand how important it is to be able to have an abortion! So you're pro-life? It's OK, honey, you just don't know any better yet. Don't worry, we'll tell you what to think, because you clearly can't decide for yourself.

Why do feminists get to decide what "women's issues" are? As far as I'm concerned, there's no such thing. There are no women's issues. There are no men's issues. There are just issues, and each person can individually decide for themselves what they think. I don't need anyone, and especially not anyone representing NOW, telling me what issues are important to me.

Feminists seem to get the idea that they speak for all women. Well, they don't. They speak for some women, and just because NOW doesn't like Sarah Palin, it doesn't mean that women -- even Democratic women -- won't be willing to vote for her. The average American woman, Republican, Democrat, or Independent, is more than a single-issue voter. It's part of the reason that feminism is no longer mainstream. Until they're willing to accept different women with different ideas and different values, they won't be endearing many women to them. Sarah Palin, however, will. Whether NOW likes it or not.

Hat Tip: Karin at the NeW blog (bookmark them if you haven't already!)


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That's easy to explain why ... (Below threshold)

That's easy to explain why they're against her...they're a bunch of ugly hags.

They're part of the black pit of despair on the left who wake up everything feeling miserable about everything.

Sadly, she is a woman..., j... (Below threshold)
Parabellum:

Sadly, she is a woman..., just like John McCain.

Sarah Palin - More Woman th... (Below threshold)
newton:

Sarah Palin - More Woman than the NAGs, and yet not good enough for them...

Maybe we should remind them of that nice little quote from its former president on their favorite man of all time. Yeah, how they were so willing to give good ole' Bill Clinton a collective BJ after Monica just to keep abortion legal!

The women at NOW are... Nah. The gals at NAG are... Oh, please! They're not women. They're not even gals! They're soulless whores!

I'm not a fan of NOW, but t... (Below threshold)
Linda:

I'm not a fan of NOW, but this argument is lame. Of course women care about the big issues, but the definition of a target issue, such as a woman's issue or a disability issue is that it affects a particular group more than the general population. Men don't have to decide whether or not to have a child that threatens their health or life, or have the same levels of concern about childcare and healthcare for kids. And equal pay is still an issue. Good, hardworking women are still fighting for equality in many ways in this Country. Sorry people are so angry about it.

Linda said" Men don'... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Linda said
" Men don't have to decide whether or not to have a child that threatens their health or life"

Actually there are very few times that a pregnancy will threaten a woman's health and fewer still that will threaten her life. It is very very miniscule (less than 1%). Of those, a partial birth abortion is actually more dangerous to a woman than giving birth as it has been shown that the woman is in no additonal danger of giving birth since she is that far along.

"or have the same levels of concern about childcare and healthcare for kids"

My how very feminist of you. And how very untrue. I dont remember you being there when my first wife left me and I raised my son alone until I remarried. Nice to see the old stereotypes are still there. There are thousands of men who are single parents. They just dont have the a 2000 member organization such as NOW get national press attention and is fawned over by the press as much as NOW.

"And equal pay is still an issue"

Obviously since I have yet to see anyone on the left say that Sarah Palin can do the same job equally as well as Biden can even though he has never ran a business, or a state in his life. Also if you join the military you see plenty of women getting exaclty the same pay as men, promoted along with their piers,etc.

And you have the absolute GALL to say this when the left is trying to tear her apart just becuase she is running for VP as a Republican. Hypocrit thy name is Linda.

" Good, hardworking women are still fighting for equality in many ways in this Country"

And they are all on the left side of the political issues arent they now? So are you saying that Ms Palin is not good, not hardworking or not a woman? I mean Monica was a great woman for the left when she was giving Bill BJs so why isnt Ms Palin when she is running for VP. Yep she did such a GREAT job for woman equality down on her knees and keeping her stained dress as a momento didnt she.

If NOW had come out in supp... (Below threshold)
SAHMmy:

If NOW had come out in support of Palin, it would have really freaked me out. In fact, if ANY liberal came out in support of her I'd start to get very worried.

I think that there are only... (Below threshold)
Mike:

I think that there are only a few people left in this country who sincerely believe that the NOW gang and their acolytes are concerned only with being advocates for women.

The only thing that NOW, NARAL-Pro Choice, etc. consistently support is the far left wing of the Democratic party. Period. The same thing goes for NAACP, Urban League, and pretty much every other "civil rights" group.

For a long time I told people that my dream Republican ticket would have been Colin Powell and Condolezza Rice, just so we could watch NOW and NAACP try everything in their power to keep them from being elected.

MS Gandy (President of NOW)... (Below threshold)
retired military:

MS Gandy (President of NOW)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Gandy
"I was looking for a behavior change, and for him to treat female politicians the same way as [he treats] male politicians"

My my. Lets see Ms Gandy, PRESIDENT OF NOW.

have you seen male politicians
a. Photocropped onto nude models
b. asked if they were negelecting their families
c. accused of hiding their 17 year old daughters pregnancy by having their wife pretend she was pregnant

Nope I didnt think so. Where is she when a FEMALE politician is being treated like this? On the side doing the mistreatment of course.

As for the domestic violenc... (Below threshold)
KBDaBear:

As for the domestic violence issue, the NAGS are stepping on their own "she's under investigation" slam.

She was being investigated for firing the Public Safety Commissioner who refused to fire the cop who was abusing her sister and her son.

... picking Palin is a dir... (Below threshold)
jade on the ocean:

... picking Palin is a direct door to nuking the Alaskan oil reserves and drilling. i am a duel citizen and follow how it effects both sides of this great continent. McCain can't fool everybody. He's using her.

" picking Palin is a direct... (Below threshold)
retired military:

" picking Palin is a direct door to nuking the Alaskan oil reserves and drilling"

Define nuking. Do you mean Drilling? Why I certainly hope so. Or do you think that the 200 caribou shouldnt be disturbed or the 1 polar bear every 5000 square miles.

The NAGS proved back in the... (Below threshold)
KBDaBear:

The NAGS proved back in the 90s that they were more a far left Democratic Party organ than an advocate for women when these occurred.

1. They refused to condemn OJ Simpson for repeatedly beating Nicole and finally brutally murdering her. So much for their concern over Domestic Violence

2. They lined up solidly behind Clinton during the Monica Mess, with White House reporter Nina Burleigh saying "I would happily give him oral sex for keeping abortion legal". So much for their concern over sexual harrassment.

Don't forget the "excellent... (Below threshold)
jmc:

Don't forget the "excellent question" john mccain was asked about "how do we beat the bitch" in reference to Hillary Clinton. so much respect for women.

90% of the members of NOW a... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

90% of the members of NOW are classified as 'three baggers'. One to put over her head, one to put over your head, and one to put over the dogs head so he will still respect, not bite, you in the morning.

Read last night that someon... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Read last night that someone is marketing 'Hussein O' supporter kneepads so they don't injure their knee's while Kissing his a**, among other things. Put another way, dry cleaners will be cleaning stains out of a lot of dresses and male dress shirts. Some media type stated that the LSM males were ready to have sex with Hussein.

LOL! That's just what I'm ... (Below threshold)
Deuce:

LOL! That's just what I'm talking about Scrapiron! God I love it that we can talk so openly here. Ugly Bitches... 'nuf said.

Duece "Why is Chel... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Duece

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."
-John McCain"

FROM YOUR LINK

'Though no tape of McCain's quip has yet emerged, this is what he reportedly said:

a. There is more empericial proof that you are an idiot that McCain saying this joke.

b. I can show you that Ronald Reagan was "reportedly" the antiChrist , would you believe that one too?

c. The coat hanger mime. Geez can you actually get any more idiotic than this one.

d. Dont sully the republican party by calling yourself one.

e. You are truly an idiot. Of course this kinda repeats point a. but then again in your case it really really bears repeating because it is really really true.


I've actually always though... (Below threshold)
JFO:

I've actually always thought you were a "dude."

retired military:D... (Below threshold)
deuce:

retired military:

Do you know what "really really bears repeating"? John McCain's joke. Do you know what's "really really true"? That John McCain made that joke. There's no recording of it, but there are plenty of articles dealing with the fact that he said it and dealing with the Clinton's response. Simply put, it reveals McCain's true colors, and that is why it gets under your skin.

Also, it's quite telling how quickly you dismiss the coat hanger issue. It's a real issue, whether people are trying to use coat hangers or other devices.. the point is that when abortion is not legal, people will resort to other methods that are far more harmful and likely to kill the woman. People in lower income areas, where unwanted pregnancies are more frequent, do not have access to anything other than crude tools and will probably die if they try to perform abortions on themselves. That is why NOW is performing a just service to women for upholding the right to choose. Men have never had to make a choice of whether to try to perform abortions on themselves with whatever tools they could find. So don't just laugh at the issue. It's real.

As for your friends on this page. Why don't you call them out for using terms like, "soulless whores" or for calling NOW NAG and refering to them as ugly. That's bullshit.

Look, I was being satirical, but take a closer look at the real posts on this page and tell me what you find. These are the people who would laugh wholeheartedly at McCain's crude joke and that's why he told it at a Republican fundraiser, because he knows the true heart of most Republicans.

I just don't get this.... (Below threshold)
Lisa:

I just don't get this.

The liberal left keeps telling me that I would be stupid to vote for Pallin because she has a uterus. On the other hand, they also keep telling me that because I have a uterus I have to vote for Obama or else I'll lose control of said uterus.

The hypocrisy is baffling.

Deuce"but there ar... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Deuce

"but there are plenty of articles dealing with the fact that he said it and dealing with the Clinton's response"

a. If you cant prove it it isnt a fact.

b. going by your standard as I said there are plenty of people who said that Reagan was the antichrist do you believe them too? So much for your logic.

"Also, it's quite telling how quickly you dismiss the coat hanger issue"

Yawn. Do your research. It has been PROVEN that in the year prior to ROe V Wade that about 17 women died from Botched abortions. It has also been proven that SINCE Roe V Wade that there has been about 40 million babies who died.

"the point is that when abortion is not legal, people will resort to other methods that are far more harmful and likely to kill the woman"

SEE ABOVE STATEMENT. Hey since people still sexually abuse children and it is illegal should we then make it legal since it will happen anyway? So that again shoots your statements.

" do not have access to anything other than crude tools and will probably die if they try to perform abortions on themselves"

If ROE V WADE were overturned than the abortion question would go back to the states. Abortion was legal in some states prior to Roe V Wade. Again DO YOUR RESEARCH. AGAIN YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO DOESNT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. A foul mouthed idiot at that.

"Why don't you call them out for using terms like, "soulless whores" or for calling NOW NAG and refering to them as ugly. That's bullshit.
"

Hey why dont you ask them to use nicer language. Instead you use it. If you saw them jump off a bridge would you do it. if you saw them vote for McCain would you do it. If you were trying to prove that you were more mature than them umm you failed.

"Look, I was being satirical, but take a closer look at the real posts on this page and tell me what you find. These are the people who would laugh wholeheartedly at McCain's crude joke and that's why he told it at a Republican fundraiser, because he knows the true heart of most Republicans."

Seen the Youtube video of dems laughing that the hurricane may hit New Orleans. Double standard much eh. Look at the trolls (like yourself ) who have posted here since the Palin pick. look at the unfounded democratic accusations against her. Look at places like KOS and DU that says hey smear her no matter what the truth is because she is a republican.

Again you are an idiot.

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JMC
"Not sure if i buy your stat but assuming it is true that means only about 60,000 women will have to die each year"

Actually it is a miniscule number under 1%. And again that was life and or HEALTH of the mother. The actual life threatening is right at or near ZERO.

Try DOING SOME RESEARCH

And BTW if a baby is breathing after an abortion Obama still wants to let it die.

"We on the lft don't think she would make a good VP"

IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK. You think this why? because umm she is against abortion?
What matters is will be she be given the chance? A. that is not certain since it is unclear if McCain dies and B. I dont see anyone saying that Hillary wasnt qualified. Hillary after all has only served what 6 years in the Senate? That isnt executive experience. Palin has more experience in City and State govt than Obama has and he is at the TOP of the ticket.

"If only the rest of America were as progressive as the military. in this. john McCain isn't and has voted against insuring this is the case.
"

LIke umm HOW? Provide specifics please. Other than the antiabortion votes HOW HAS MCCAIN KEPT WOMEN FROM GETTING EQUAL PAY?? GIve me SOME FACTS and not someone said someone said something about John McCain said like Duecebag above.

"No they are going after her, because they don't think she is good for a lot of issues important to women. those issues deserve to be pointed out. If a women is pro-life the pointing out of the fact that Palin is as well should help them vote for her."


BY issues important to women you mean ABORTION. Call it that instead of masking it. Where was NARAL AND NOW defending Clinton's accusers? Or defending Lewisky when Clinton was tyring to tear her apart? or defending any number of other women who have been thrown under the bus to further the liberal cause.

" No one has called her a muslim when she isn't. "

What about the folks that siad she didnt have her 5th child? Gee that is protecting a woman isnt it? That isnt the same as calling her a muslim now is it? Are you blind are do you just not want to see.

"Most feminist were outraged at Bill over Monicagate. Monica herself didn't become a "hero" of feminist you twit. Most felt sorry for the poor girl."

Oh yeah. Sure they were. ANd they willingly followed oh billy boy right right on throught he hearings where he was found guilty of PERJURY. "poor girl" you mean the poor girl who knowingly went up and deliberately played into the hands of Billy boy Clinton. Give me a break. You are contractiding yourself now.

Go back and read your NOW newsletters and NARAL postings on Lewisinki and show me the outrage where they demanded he resign over PERJURY, show me where they offered legal assistance, show me where they offered her counselling when her SUPERVISOR and MOST POWERFUL GOVT EMPLOYEE stuck his wanker in her mouth. Let that be a proLIFE republican politician and NOW AND NARAL would be trying to lynch him and burn him in effigy.

"That statement seems to be proof that you hate women."

I dont hate women at all. I have been married for 20 nice years to a wonderful woman. Are you trying to imply I am gay because I am prolife?

"You also seem to have a real fascination with bill Clinton's ejaculations. Perhaps you harbor a desire to give him a BJ yourself.
"
Again are you trying to imply I am gay simply because I am pro life. ALl I am doing is pointing out the lefts OBVIOUS hypocracy on the issue of WOMEN's RIGHTs when it comes to someone who might threaten a democratic politician who is proabortion.

Doesnt the left protect gay folks? Are you queer bashing? My my the real truth comes out about the left now doesnt it.

BTW

"You also seem to have a real fascination with bill Clinton's ejaculations. Perhaps you harbor a desire to give him a BJ yourself.
"
If you are looking for a date then you are barking up the wrong tree.

BTW one of those "WOMEN'S I... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW one of those "WOMEN'S ISSUES" that NARAL and NOW are so concerned with is partial birth abortion.

Now tell me how this is for the life and or health of the mother.

A. Women delivers all but head of the baby.

b. Doctor plunges scissors into back of head of the baby upward into the brain

c. Doctor suctions babies brains out of the head.

d. Doctor delivers the babies head.

Now the woman gives birth anyway so how could her giving birth to a LIVE baby affect her life or health.

And dont say "I am against partial birth abortion" becuase you chose to speak for NOW AND NARAL AND THEY ARE 100% FOR IT>

BTW JMC" a. " Yep s... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW JMC
" a. " Yep she did such a GREAT job for woman equality down on her knees and keeping her stained dress as a momento didnt she. "


b. That statement seems to be proof that you hate women"

How the hell you got from my statement A to your statement B is a piece of liberal logic that I will never understand. I dont even see where you can begin to connect the dots between the two. You sir/ madam or as much of an idiot as duece.

BTW linda, JMC, and Idiot o... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW linda, JMC, and Idiot oh I mean duece

If you can answer this question

"At what point does a baby get human rights in your view? "

Than you are more qualifed than Obama (at least on this subject) to be Presdient because he is still waiting for someone who is above his pay grade to give him his opinion.

/yawn so I am bored.<... (Below threshold)
retired military:

/yawn so I am bored.

http://www.abortiontv.com/Lies%20&%20Myths/AnswersToProChoice.htm#If abortion were made illegal,

LIE - Abortion is a safe medical procedure, safer than full-term pregnancy and childbirth.

Truth - Abortion is not safer than full term pregnancy and childbirth. Less than one in 10,000 pregnancies results in the mother's death. Government statistics indicate the chances of death by abortion are even less - however, deaths from childbirth are accurately reported, while many deaths by legal abortion are not - completely skewing the statistics. Abortion actually increases the chance of maternal death in later pregnancies. Women face injuries to the uterus, cervix, urinary tract, infection, hemorrhage, heart failure, embolism, sterilizations, ruptured intestines & bowels, coma, and even death. In addition, there are countless cases of abortionists sexually abusing their clients while under anesthesia. In fact, you're four times more likely to die in the year following your abortion (see report). Further, woman who have abortions suffer mental health declines, while those who deliver their child actually have improved mental health (see http://www.abortiontv.com/Glitch/abortion_mental_health.htm)

That shoots the 60000 number that one of the 3 stooges quoted.

Lie - "If abortion is made illegal, thousands of women will die from back alley and clothes hanger abortions."

Truth - "This is a favorite myth put forth by pro-abortionists. Prior to legalization, 90 percent of abortions were done by physicians in their offices, not in back alleys. "

See above ref complications from abortions that dont get mentioned by NOW and NARAL.

http://www.grtl.org/docs/roevwade.pdf
"As for the number of deaths from illegal abortions, in 1960 the total number of all
pregnancy-related deaths (from abortions as well as from childbirth and other problems
during pregnancy) was 1,579 (according to the Vital Statistics of the United States, Vol.
II, Mortality, Part A. 1960-77). To believe the pro-abortion argument that over 5,000
illegal abortion deaths occurred, one must believe that the 1,579 officially recorded
maternal deaths were all caused by illegal abortions and an additional 3,421 deaths were
also caused by illegal abortions and the death certificates were falsified to attribute the
death to something such as "heart attack" or "cirrhosis of the liver," and that no woman
died from any other pregnancy-related cause. But in fact, for 1960, Vital Statistics
attributes 289 of those 1,579 deaths to abortion (legal and illegal)."

That 289 deaths was in 1960 about 13 years prior to Roe V Wade.

"In 1968, Vital Statistics reports 859 total pregnancy-related deaths; 133 of the 859
attributed to abortion.
By 1972, the year before the Supreme Court legalized abortion-on-demand
nationwide, there were 24 deaths from legal abortions and 39 from illegal abortions
(according to the Centers for Disease Control Abortion Surveillance, Annual Summary,
1978)."

So 24 deaths ( I said 17 above) in the year prior to roe v wade.

"Not only have pro-abortionists grossly exaggerated the number of illegal abortions
and deaths, they misrepresent what caused the decline in the number of abortion-related
deaths. It had nothing to do with legalization of abortion. The number had been dropping
steadily long before the first states legalized abortion. The real explanations are such
factors as the availability of better antibiotics, such as penicillin, the establishment of
intensive care units and better surgical techniques."


Again LIBERAL IDITOS DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!

BTW I havent seen Hyperboli around since shorlty after our talk on abortoin. Guess he took a vacation.

Retired Military...<p... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Retired Military...

Near as I can see, 'liberal logic' means "I don't have to have any real reason for anything I say, but you've got to accept it as reasoned, rational, and undeniably true because I want it to be."

Aside from that, "liberal logic" is a fantastic oxymoron.

"i am a duel(sic) citizen a... (Below threshold)

"i am a duel(sic) citizen and follow how it effects both sides of this great continent."

Posted by jade on the ocean

Got coherence?

hello hello, I didn'... (Below threshold)
deuce:

hello hello,
I didn't run away. Just had to go to work. In any case, I'm going to back off of the abortion argument. That's not my primary reason for jumping at this posting. I am not personally armed with statistics on abortion as you are. I'll have to take some time to filter through the statistics you provided and test them against whatever else I can find. But that will be for another day. Abortion is a difficult topic indeed and I don't see us getting anywhere here.
In any case, the reason I jumped at this posting is because I saw how people who presumably frequent this site were posting comments calling NOW, NAG, calling them soulless whores, refering to them as ugly... I thought that I would go ahead and make a satirical post, way overboard, yes using foul language and saying obscene things, in order to make some of these commentators reflect on what they were saying and why they were saying it.

To me personally, it appeared that a lot of these Republicans were chiming in with their stereotypes about how leftist feminists are all just angry, bitter, and ugly (soulless whores). It suprised me to see how Republicans talk with each other when they think no one else is looking. But on another level, I wasn't that suprised because I remembered reading about a joke that John McCain made at a Republican fundraiser in 1998:

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

A joke reported on by the Washington Post, The LA Times, The New York Times, and, of course, Salon, which had the guts to actually reveal the text of the joke itself.

To know that McCain made this joke at a Republican fundraiser, and to compare that context to the context of this page, with all of its vicious comments, really starts to make one see a pattern of how Republicans talk about feminists and women in general when they get together in their cushy, safely Republican zones.

It's sad, and it is worth ridiculing and criticizing.

so far, the only person to try responding to the joke as been "Retired Military", and all he has done is deny that it ever was said. Why then was it reported on? Why did multiple newspapers report on it? Do you really think they just made it up? Do you really think that they just made up McCain's apology? Do you really think it was part of a leftist conspiracy against McCain to falsely quote him? Instead of denying it, why don't you try to address it as if it were true, because all the evidence at your disposal should convince you of as much.

Just go ahead and try to actually address the quote. What does it mean to you? Do you think it's not worth even discussing? Is it a non-issue to you? Was it just some throw-away joke that he didn't mean? Probably... he probably didn't really intend any true harm with it. But what does it say about a politician who makes public jokes about an 18 year old girl's appearance? Don't run away from it. You have no reason to deny it just because Youtube wasn't around to catch it at the time.

*Yawn* did you say somethin... (Below threshold)
jmc:

*Yawn* did you say something retired guy? that whole posting pro-life sources is really persuading, I mean gosh I wouldn't think they had an agenda at all.

When you get a reputable source feel free to post it.

In the meantime let me ask you a hypothetical question whay is at the point of life the far right stops giving a shit about babies? Studies have shown, that most abortions would have ended up in broken homes. Yet you guys are never in favor of helping out those families and insuring that many of those children dodn't end up in say, our judicial system. In fact, when they get there you say, "throw the book at 'em!" it's kinda funny because several cross cultural studies have linked crime dropping to countries that allow abortions. Keeps children, from ending up in broken homes. broken homes people like the retired guy won't want any of his tax dollars helping.

Duece"and all he h... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Duece

"and all he has done is deny that it ever was said.

I didnt deny that it was said. I merely pointed out what was in the article.
And again I pointed out the hypocracy of the left talking about jokes when you have Youtube of them joking and laughing about the Hurricane hitting New Orleans during the republican convention.

Let me address the joke.

a. It isnt a nice joke.

Did McCain say it? I dont know. As far as it being reported, as I pointed out there have been things "reported" about numerous folks that turned out to be untrue. If he said it does it mean that he doesn's deserve to be President? Is that your yardstick now? For telling a bad joke?

"Is it a non-issue to you? "

Yes it is a nonissue to me. The MSM report all kind of things against republicans ALL THE TIME with unnamed sources. Are you trying to say that Bill and Hillary never used foul language when referring to republicans? If it can be proven that they did does that mean they shouldn't be President.

Telling a bad joke which you know isn't true and is recognized as a joke is far different the smears that the left is trying to use against Palin.

IE The child isn't hers it is her daughters.

Proof please. Unfounded accusation much yet it is getting much more air time than the joke you mentioned.

One is obviously a joke another is an UNFOUNDED, UNDOCUMENTED, UNPROVEN accusation that is being repeated just about EVERYWHERE.

Can you even compare the two?

Tell you what. Take away McCain's membership to the comedy club and tell the leftists who are repeating these accusations without proof to shut the hell up.

As I asked in another thread what does she have to do? Take a paternity test? Then it will be said that it was faked. Show video of her giving birth? That too can be faked. I mean get real here.

Even with Bill Clinton we had a blue dress. The left doesn't even have that.

Since NOW doesn't endorse h... (Below threshold)
Tammy:

Since NOW doesn't endorse her, that means she get's a thumbs up in my book. That clarifies to me that she's no man-hating, baby-hating, feminazi.

deuce,Okay, let's ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

deuce,

Okay, let's assume it's true and McCain told this joke at a Republican fundraiser. (Yes, I found a few google references.) Why unearth a joke that was told ten years ago and assume he still thinks the same way? It is possible that McCain has had a chance to reflect on what he said with regret. There are plenty of questionable things said by officials as well as the working class. You have chosen to keep going back to the same joke with the idea that it's only Republicans that have their cushy arena to vent and demonstrate distaste.

And jmc, about your "studies" that show most abortions would end up in broken homes (literally makes no sense at all), take your own suggestion:

When you get a reputable source feel free to post it.
JMC"whay is at the... (Below threshold)
retired military:

JMC

"whay is at the point of life the far right stops giving a shit about babies? "

Well since life starts at conception and we care about it there that means that we dont stop caring.

Unlike you who feel that it is just better to kill it rather than let it be born.

Or are you like Obama and have to wait on someone to give you an opinion on when life begins.

"When you get a reputable source feel free to post it. "

Umm I posted mine and guess what it must have hurt because I don't see any statistics, links or anything other than meaningless words to counter them than I guess mine trump yours. BTW some of mine came from those things that are called government statistics. Try using them and maybe you will see that you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

"it's kinda funny because several cross cultural studies have linked crime dropping to countries that allow abortions. Keeps children, from ending up in broken homes. broken homes people like the retired guy won't want any of his tax dollars helping. "

a. So you admit that unborn children are in fact umm children. Hey it is a start.

b. Show me these studies of which you speak because umm so far I see your words and they don't mean much.

c. I would rather my tax dollars going to work for homes for children than to fund abortion clinics for doctors.

d. BTW didn't John Edwards channel a baby from the womb and said that the baby cried out to him? Gee I didn't know that viable tissue masses (the left's words) could speak and have thoughts but I guess your former VP candidate felt it was so when he was trying to get rich in a lawsuit. Goes to show you the left has no morals where money and politics are concerned.

If you want to get into a discussion about something at least do some basic research to back up your statements. Otherwise your statements look like the cowdung they are.

Deuce,As a true-bl... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Deuce,

As a true-blue repug, I must admit that I LOVE that joke and find it hilarious. Do you have any other that McCain reportedly said? It really is the best joke I've heard in about 6 wks.

By the way, about that "NAGS" thing . . . you gotta admit that you couldn't do Gandy without 200mg of Viagra -- what's reality is reality. Plus even you've got to admit that they are pure commie bitches and do not genuinely have the best for women in mind. Come on.

NOW is not serving women he... (Below threshold)
JJ:

NOW is not serving women here. This is an incredibly exciting day for women. We gained the right to vote only 88 years ago, and now there is a good chance of a woman VP. Only the second woman VP candidate ever! NOW should celebrate it. Shame on them for being a one issue club.

BTW JMC" it's kind... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW JMC

" it's kinda funny because several cross cultural studies have linked crime dropping to countries that allow abortions. "

Really. Tell me what the the metrics used in the study. There is absolutely no way anyone can correlate abortion with a drop in crime rate! In other words, no one can possibly determine that aborted babies would be more likely to commit a crime than those that survive or to what extent and even if they could, you would have to be able to isolate all the other variables (of which there are many). In the end it is speculation pure and simple.

Only an idiot would put forth a supposition like this because of the millions of variables involved in making such a direct correlation.

retired mil,that's... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

retired mil,

that's exactly right. that's a stupid study. The only thing that the study might be able to claim is that black babies are aborted at a higher rate, and since hussein messiah was a black baby, he had a theoretically higher chance of being aborted, and therefore, the world possibly could not have been saved if Gandy would have talked to hussein's teenage mom in Hawaii about 48 years ago. So good going teenage mom in Hawaii!!

Here is a studyLet... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Here is a study

Let's see. Abortion was make nationwide in 1973. Gas prices have risen since 1973.

So for lower gas prices we should outlaw abortion.

About the only way abortion statistics could be linked to crime statistics may be that democrats were aborted at much higher rates than republicans and therefore there are less criminals around and that explains any supposed drop in crime.

Things like 3 strikes, reinstution of the death penatly, etc couldn't possibly have anything to do with crime statistics.

I have another idea. Illegal immigrants are by definition criminals. Lets ship them all back to their home countries and that way the crime rate will drop.

I did see one study where t... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

I did see one study where the 1790's were compared to the 1990's -- you know, back then when there was no medical abortion, RU-486, etc. Apparently the crime rate at time (due to no or very little abortion) was sky high. I heard that the British had to resort to sending armed soldiers to keep the peace, and to regulate the drinking of tea.

I will keep this short and ... (Below threshold)
deuce:

I will keep this short and sweet. "Retired"... it was a big step on your part to admit that McCain's joke was "not a nice joke". It's always hard to make even the smallest concession to the other side, but alas you admitted that it was not nice. I could say a couple other things about it apart from it merely being 'not nice', but in any case, I stand by my assertion that the joke has relevance. Why?

Well consider this. This blog like to throw around the words 'class' and 'classy' a lot. I think we would all agree that McCain's joke is 'classless'. It is the definition of 'classless'. But you're all quite happy to give him a free pass. You all know very well that if Obama had something like this you would never live it down. You would repeat it and repeat and repeat it and make sure that everyone knows that he said it. You'd make a huge deal out of it and devote an entire blog posting to the quote, calling it 'classless', 'disgusting', and 'base', which it is. But since your man said it, you'll leave it be.

As far as Moore saying Gustav is a sign from God, I will admit that it was a poor choice of words, but you have to consider what he meant by it. He also said that he certainly did not want anyone to be hurt and hoped that everyone was properly evacuated. His point was that there was a lot of poetic justice in the fact that on the 3rd anniversary of the Katrina disaster, a hurricane was coming back to New Orleans just in time for the Republican's to celebrate themselves. It's hard not to feel a slight bit of glee in witnessing such grand irony. Officials were warned about Katrina, but they sat on their hands. Bush appointed a nobody to FEMA and he acted like a nobody would be expected to act... he did nothing and we all know what happened after that. Bush and McCain were eating cake together on McCain's 69th as the Hurricane destroyed the city. So Moore is refering to the sense that the Republicans are receiving some justice by having to cancel their convention proceedings. Yes, he went too far in what he said, but the sentiment behind his words is clear and totally justified.

On this subject though, I should remind you all that one Reverend Hagee made a statement after Katrina saying that the Hurricane destroyed New Orleans because of a homosexual rally occuring in the city that week. And he was of course deadly serious about that comment. The sentiment behind his words is clear and totally unjustifiable.

Recall that McCain happily accepted Hagee's endorsement in an effort to appeal to the evangelic right, but then he distanced himself and cut all ties when Hagee's Katrina quote gained notice in the public sphere.

You all know very ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa86@yahoo.com:
You all know very well that if Obama had something like this you would never live it down.

Well, deuce, the last time I remember Obama even trying to be remotely funny was when a teleprompter went haywire on him and he said he hadn't gotten enough sleep. That he will never live down because I have yet to hear him do well without some scripted assistance.

Do I remember one of the worst things he ever said? Sure I do, but it just doesn't come up here all that often. He referred to his own grandmother as a "typical white person." Not just an extremely prejudiced thing to say, but really contradictory to the way he is touted as the first black man to run for president. Yeah, you will read plenty of whoppers in just about any political blog that allows the posting of comments. For real entertainment value, however, I would visit the "cool" kids, Daily Kos and Democratic Underground. The ridiculous statements there really blow Wizbang out of the water. Incidentally, when you see really dumb screen names and sock puppet posts with the same speech pattern, they are usually coming from the two above mentioned stellar dem sites.

Duece'it was a big s... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Duece
'it was a big step on your part to admit that McCain's joke was "not a nice joke'

huh.

A. I didnt admit that it was McCain's joke.

B. I have no problem with saying a joke doesnt have good taste.

"I will keep this short and sweet."

Well that was your first lie t his post. I only wish it had been the truth.

"It's always hard to make even the smallest concession to the other side"

Not if it is the truth. You should try it sometime.

" But since your man said it, you'll leave it be."

McCain is NOT my man. If you have read this blog for any lenght of time you would have known that. In fact, I have said in the past the best thing McCain could do for the republican party is have a heart attack.

Call that classless okay. Speaking of classless I still see you haven't commented on the Youtube of the dems laughing about the Hurricane heading towards New Orleans. You simply choose to forget to call that classless don't you. Wait you mentioned Moore but not DEM politicians. Wait Moore didnt want anyone hurt. What about the property damage? That doesnt matter does it? Nah. Especially when it is mostly democrats who can cry and complain about how the govt isnt helping them again right.


" Officials were warned about Katrina, but they sat on their hands."

Hey IDIOT look up POSE Cumatotas (I think that is how it is spelled). Guess what NUMNUTS the feds can't do anything till the DEM GOVERNOR asks for help. DUH. Other wise it is against the LAW. So I guess you are right. THE DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS SAT ON THEIR HANDS INSTEAD OF OFFICIALLY ASKING FOR HELP SO THE FEDS COULD LEGALLY HELP THEM.

"Yes, he went too far in what he said, but the sentiment behind his words is clear and totally justified. "

You want to beat up McCain over a joke but when Moore is talking about potentially billions of dollars in damage it is okay to make a joke right. Only in a liberal's mind.

" I should remind you all that one Reverend Hagee made a statement after Katrina saying that the Hurricane destroyed New Orleans because of a homosexual rally occuring in the city that week. And he was of course deadly serious about that comment. The sentiment behind his words is clear and totally unjustifiable."

Next we will hear about the kook that preaches "God hates fags". GEEZ talk about bringing in extraneious BS. Can you get to your point please??

"Recall that McCain happily accepted Hagee's endorsement in an effort to appeal to the evangelic right, but then he distanced himself and cut all ties when Hagee's Katrina quote gained notice in the public sphere. "

I could give a rat's ass about Hagee's endorsement or Wright's endorsement or Billy Bob and Joe Bub's endorsement. If you vote for someone because "Oh so and so said they are so great" than you are not only an idiot but you are a drone as well. USE YOUR OWN BRAIN and stop being like Obama and waiting on someone to tell you your opinion for you.

If Hagee had said vote for Obama would you somehow care any more about what he says? Somehow I doubt if he has an ephinany you would discount what he says so much. Instead you would come running to this board saying "see see REV HAGEE supported McCain before but now he supports OBama. See see you should vote for Obama now. Rev Hagee is so smart now, he realized how wrong he was. "

See that is the trouble when you depend on someone else's opinion to actually make up your mind about something. Think for yourself isntead of being a lemming. That is the reason why Obama has no reason to be in the White House. "IT IS ABOVE HIS PAY GRADE".

Next time you say you are going to make something short try not to be the typical liber and lie.

DueceAlso again yo... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Duece

Also again you make so much about a joke which McCain may or may not have told.

Yet you fail to discredit anything the left is saying about Palin's pregnancy. Everytime I mention it you simply ignore it. And these folks are saying it over and over in print and don't have the slightest shred of definitive proof of what they are talking about. All they have is conjecture. And it isn't a joke but viscious rumors. But that is just fine with you isn't it because you are too busy calling a joke classless but don't have the stones to comment on the rumors.

Hey duce, what has somethin... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Hey duce, what has something McCain probably did not say 1o years ago have to do with that topic? Are you just a troll? Are you incapable of following a subject line of thinking or just limited in your ability to think at all? Judging by your support of B. Hussein Obama, I suggest a cognitive problem.

I suppose you could call me... (Below threshold)
Deuce:

I suppose you could call me a troll. I came across this page while I was searching for information about Sarah Palin. I saw this entry regarding NOW. I saw the comments being posted about them, tearing them down, the language being used, again "soulless whores", calling them ugly, and so I felt it would be worth it to stir things up and make people think about what they were actually saying.
THe ways in which people here were discussing the women of NOW seemed pretty crass and it reminded me of the joke I heard McCain tell. I figured that most of the folks visiting this site are supporters of McCain (a fair assumption), and I thought it would be worth it to reveal this quote and to see what people thought and to suggest that people reconsider their own crass language regarding NOW.
This is one of those very conservative blogs that does nothing but pat other conservatives and Republicans on the backs, whilst attacking liberals. I understand that it's natural for such forums to exist, and there are plenty of leftist counterparts, which probably spew a lot of unfounded rhetoric as well. My purpose here however is to shake up the echo chamber and to introduce pieces of info that should make folks rethink if only for a moment. I admit to doing it in an obnoxious way, but that's mostly because I am responding in kind to the obnoxious kinds of comments I see on this site.

Yes, I'm a self-described liberal and a supporter of Obama. I feel that I have given both sides a fair shake over the course of my life. I have listened to conservative radio and read conservative blogs, some of which I can agree with part of the time, but most of which I find to be spewing misinformation.

In any case, I find it to have been an interesting experience crashing into this site and seeing the reactions.

Even though this would amount to completely changing the subject away from this particular entry, I would like to challenge anyone here to give me an assessment of Obama's tax plan vs. McCain's. This is a relevant issue to all of us, and I would like to hear a few words on the issue. Try not to refer to things like Reverend Wright or Islam when refering to Obama's tax plan. I'd like to hear if any of you have actually considered his plan over McCain's and if you've come to any solid conclusion about whose is better.
depp=true
notiz=Here's a challenge. Stay on topic.

NOW once again reveals that... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

NOW once again reveals that are just a front for the DNC. Much like their reaction to the various women who accused Clinton of various activities--and NOW jumped to his defense.

NOW hasn't done or said anything politically relevant for 20 years. Their endorsment or lack thereof is irrelevant.

Obama's tax plan can be red... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Obama's tax plan can be reduced to 3 words - redistribution of wealth.

"This is one of those very conservative blogs that does nothing but pat other conservatives and Republicans on the backs, whilst attacking liberals"

Also click on the top links and click wizbangblue.

Geez you really are an idiot. But at least you recognize that you are a troll.

This is one of tho... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
This is one of those very conservative blogs that does nothing but pat other conservatives and Republicans on the backs, whilst attacking liberals.

What has being very conservative got to do with back patting? People that agree with each other on any political blog will do that. I am a conservative libertarian, yes there is such a thing. Just as there are conservative democrats. You do seem to keep side-stepping the Palin slanders, however, while continually returning to a blogged "McCain" joke about Chelsea Clinton that happened ten years ago. Are you a progressive liberal that believes in moving forward? So far, your words don't seem to reflect that.

NOW (Need Obama Win) should... (Below threshold)
twolaneflash:

NOW (Need Obama Win) should be WAS (Witches Against Sarah)

Even though this would a... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Even though this would amount to completely changing the subject away from this particular entry, I would like to challenge anyone here to give me an assessment of Obama's tax plan vs. McCain's.

Short Form, as I see it.

Obama - "If you've got money and a company, you don't deserve to have it, so we're going to take it away from you anything we think appropriate and give it to people who wouldn't bother to get educated and work for it so they'll vote Democratic - since we're supplying their money so they don't have to work."

McCain - "If you've got money and a company, you ought to get to keep more of it so you can grow your business, hire someone and get them off the dole."

La Medusa -

Whenever I see someone describe themselves as 'progressive', I see someone for whom every perceived injustice or slight is as fresh and new as when it happened, no matter how long ago it may have occured or what has happened in the interim to correct it.

It does save time, however, in that when they describe themselves as progressive I know I can discount the validity and relevance of their opinions by about 50%.

hey, listen to Sarah Palin ... (Below threshold)
Charles:

hey, listen to Sarah Palin in her own words in this NewsWeek Video that was done back in March 2008! Its very telling!
http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190

Charles -Thanks fo... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Charles -

Thanks for that. Now I'm REALLY sure she's the best possible choice for McCain, and Obama's screwed.

The women's vote is a myth!... (Below threshold)

The women's vote is a myth!

Senator Clinton and Governor Palin are proof that women can and do diverge on important issues.

Even on whether women should vote!

Most people are totally in the dark about HOW the suffragettes won votes for women, and what life was REALLY like for women before they did.

Suffragettes were opposed by many women who were what was known as 'anti.'

The most influential 'anti' lived in the White House. First Lady Edith Wilson was a wealthy Washington widow who married President Wilson in 1915.

Her role in Wilson's decision to jail and torture Alice Paul and hundreds of other suffragettes will never be fully known, but she was outraged that these women picketed her husband's White House.

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i'm neither republican nor ... (Below threshold)
suzanne:

i'm neither republican nor democrat and can't vote in this country (uk citizen) but find these comments very revealing in the way republican posters are so abusive and sexist in the way they talk about women. i would be amazed if the american people voted in another republican after the big corrupt mess the bush administration has made. what's more scary than four more years of bush? the idea that the republicans and holy rollers in this country would actually vote for it! your education system must really be broken. soon you will be teaching creationism in schools and the usa will begin to resemble the middle east with it's religious extremists. welcome the american taliban - they're called the republican party. russia and china must be really hoping sarah palin gets to be commander in chief soon.

To anyone who thinks Palin ... (Below threshold)
Terri:

To anyone who thinks Palin is great go toBen Smiths Blog:The Anti Palin e-mail-Politico.com This email from someone who knows her says it all. She is no Christian more like a Black Widow. She does not belong in the whitehouse.

It is incredible to me that... (Below threshold)
karen:

It is incredible to me that some women could be so INCREDIBLY STUPID AND IGNORANT as to think that a show pony like Palin could hold an important office --- she would do nothing but take us decades backward on important social, environmental and economic issues and concerns. I hope and pray that ALL PEOPLE (not just women) will come to their senses and see the light -- that only a CHANGE will help to repair the ill state that this country is in. Why is no one talking about the very real fact that the country was doing so well (i.e. surplus) economically when Clinton left office, and after 8 years of Bush's mis-governance, we are worse off then we have been in YEARS.
Wake up, people!!! Don't be fooled and taken for idiots. Vote OBama/BIden

So much for Palin's amazing... (Below threshold)
madamm:

So much for Palin's amazing approval rate in Alaska and women being so excited. Check out this first person account of Sarah's return to Alaska:
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/
Seems for a large number of women, even on her small town home turf, Palin is NOT what they want!




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