nice catch, kevin. what i find particularly obnoxious is the refrain i keep hearing that "well, the repuclicans would be all over this, so we can't let it go" and then there are those who believe that Rove planted the rumors about Palin and her daughter in order to trip up the democrats.

i don't think i have enough popcorn stocked up to make it through this election.

not to go off topic, but WOO HOO, lee has finally gotten tired of me calling him an insane idiot for being, well, an insane idiot, and BANNED me from blue. i can't even comment on other people's entries.

kevin, i gotta say, allowing lee to have blue as his own little fever swamp has been entertaining. i'm just sorry I won't be able to keep calling them on the carpet when they get too crazy.

I don't know what you're whining about Kevin. Now, just hold still while we insert your new "Fairness Implant"...There, attached it right to your brain stem.
(Kevin) "Obama '08. Obama is great. What's on tee-vee honey?....Oh good, I like Keith Olberman!"

I found the post in Google cache.
http://tinyurl.com/6nn9xy

If memory serves, when a Kostard very publicly embarasses the Kos Kollective, the offending member can get banned and often their entire history of diaries gets wiped out.

This particular Kossack has been hanging out with fellow fools since at least as far back as December of 2005.

There may be more of this guys posts available in Google's cache, but it's late and I'm not seeing straight, so if this is a line of investigation someone feels they need to pursue, have at it.

Cheers!

I have the second post in it's entirety including comments.

Here is an archived copy of the first post.

http://98.200.222.218/kos_smear_palin/index.html

Sorry if this comment winds up being a duplicate.

I think you pointed out another one of Obama's attempts to reframe the question as part of his answer, or to answer a question the wasn't asked:

He was accused of having ties to the blogs spreading this slime. He answered as if he was accused of starting it. Much like when asked to answer how he could reconcile his two stances on gun control; how could he support the Supreme Court finding for Heller AND support DC's hand gun ban at the same time? He answered that he had no problem with a community trying to take illegal guns off the streets. (and said some other confusing stuff about Americans' traditions)

Why do they let him get away with it?

Oh, nevermind. I know....

His ties to Kos are as your ties are to the sometimes racist and xenophobic comments here.

Remember -- Kos himself said, "There is no Jesse Jackson wing of the Democratic party anymore. We [the Nutroots] are the center," at last year's Nutroots convention. Also, the political director of MoveOn.org stated a few years ago, "Now it's our party. We bought it, we own it, and now we're going to take it back."

Democrats can run, but they can't hide from the truth. Obama may think he is personally safe because (just like the Chicago mobsters of old) he can pin this stuff on overzealous footmen acting on their own, with no direct connections to him. But he isn't. This is the price you pay when you allow the lunatics to take over the grassroots of your party.

JFO,

When was Kevin nominated for POTUS?

Mike, please, JFO is just a pesky gnat. Ignore. He seldom makes sense and if he does, it is off topic.

Obama won't distance himself from KOS because he is afraid of them. Just think how afraid he will be of terrorists. ww

I don't think ARCXIX is 24 years old. If he/she is, he/she has somehow learned to write from the perspective of someone who has had kids, so it seems to me reading what he/she has written. Like any blog operator, kos knows the original IP address ARCXIX used. How about some pressure by someone to find out who dunnit. Doesn't kos work for Newsweek?

Obama can't distance himself from KOS because he was a member and he attended (along with John Edwards & Bill Richardson) their 2007 convention:

http://www.yearlykosconvention.org/node/99

Poor Barry, another questionable alliance to throw under the bus?

All you have to do now is get the MSM to pick up your story. Right now they seem to be talking about the AIP.

I forgot Hillary Clinton was there as well (the 2007 YearlyKos Netroots Convention).

The link on the official Obama site to the vid is dead, but youtube has him speaking to the convention here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMvE1s2e8bQ

I'm waiting for Obama to call the Justice Department on this one.

Hmmm, I wonder if ArcXIX can be held criminally and civilly liable for publishing false statements about a 17yo girl?

I've never been rooting as hard for a politician to do well as I have been now for Gov. Palin. I hope she kills at the Convention and guts Biden like a mackerel in their debate.

Those simpering pus bags. They wished for a hurricane then the Republican governors and FEMA executed a textbook response. Now they're attacking Palin's daughter. I think they'll find this kind of thing tends to galvanize the base. Whatever advantage they had in the ground game just evaporated. It's on.

"His ties to Kos are as your ties are to the sometimes racist and xenophobic comments here."

Wrong. Kevin starts a blog and someone in the comment section says something YOU disapprove of. Kos starts a blog and Obama, long after comments made by Kos himself (screw 'em) and many other fevered imaginings by other "diarists" are actually featured on the main page, decides to become a diarist too.

Big, BIG, difference.

I wish to offer some new words to help describe this sewage you describe, Kevin:

Obamagnome: Troll who either blogs or comments on blogs with intent of using lies to destroy Obama opponents.

Obamagnomation: Posts or comments, or the results of the posts or comments of an Obamagnome.

Gnobama! Battle cry of those opposed to Obamagnomes and Obamagnomations.

Anyone can post using any name on the net. For a joke someone even used my own name in the past to post comments that were not my own since I choose to use my own name when I publish anything. Is there real proof that the comments were actually from Obama? I've seen many persons use the name of famous persons such as Bill Clinton or John Kerry to comment many times on many sites before that were not Clinton or Kerry. I was just wondering this.

Anyone can post using any name on the net. For a joke someone even used my own name in the past to post comments that were not my own since I choose to use my own name when I publish anything. Is there real proof that the comments were actually from Obama? I've seen many persons use the name of famous persons such as Bill Clinton or John Kerry to comment many times on many sites before that were not Clinton or Kerry. I was just wondering this.

Nonsense. No one can post as another person. Al Gore told me that his Innertubes won't allow it.

Hooson, nice try. But weak, very weak. It wasn't someone commenting under some pseudonym in a sea of hundreds of comments. He authored a diary. Twice. It was Obama himself. Kos is a lot of things, and applying numerous adjectives to him is appropriate, but if that wasn't Barack Obama himself Kos is not so demented to have let it stand. Do you really think that if that wasn't him, Obama himself wouldn't have disowned it?

Oyster, I was only asking a question here on how certain we could be about the identity of someone posting as Barack Obama. That's all. I'm not taking any position on his content as of yet because I have not read it to judge for myself what I think.

Swing and a miss, kevin...If that is your real name.

"had any ties to the blogs.." was the language of The Article you quoted, not Obama. If you really want to nail him, show me where Obama denies a connection to the Daily Kos. I doubt that he ever did. And why should he? The meat of his denunciation is sincere and appropriate:

"'If I ever thought that there was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they'd be fired,' Obama said.'"

The Obama campaign has done the right thing here by refusing to get into the muck, but you insist on grasping at air. Obama is not responsible for these vague connections to people/things he has no control over or serious involvment with. Neither what Bill Ayers did when Obama was 8 nor the ignorant ramblings at the Daily Kos can be attributed to Barack Obama anymore than your wizbang post can be attributed to the McCain campaign.

I see we've moved from guilt by association to guilt by manufactured association.

John McCain has written pieces for the National Review. I take it that means he should have to answer for anything anyone has ever written at the Corner (or for that matter, NR's segregationist past...), right?

I had the foresight last night to have WebCite archive both DailyKos posts; WebCitation.org is a trusted third-party and ostensibly can't be manipulated, so the archives can't be labeled "fakes". DailyKos have proven once again (as if we needed more proof) that they cannot be trusted to write the truth -- deleting posts that get disproved ought to undermine your credibility.

Preserved for all posterity, complete with comments and photos, here they are:

Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]
http://www.webcitation.org/5aWTaDn3Z

BabyGate: Explosive New Details
http://www.webcitation.org/5aWTsPc5L

Wrong. Kevin starts a blog and someone in the comment section says something YOU disapprove of. Kos starts a blog and Obama, long after comments made by Kos himself (screw 'em) and many other fevered imaginings by other "diarists" are actually featured on the main page, decides to become a diarist too.

No, he's right. Obama didn't deny ties to "blogs that said 'screw 'em'" or "blogs that have other fevered imaginings". He denied "ties to the blogs that were spreading rumors [about the pregnancy] before the news broke".

Big, BIG, difference.

Since you don't count comments as equaling "the blog", then Obama was absolutely correct in what he said.

(And for the record, that #24 "brian" is not me.)

Brian, if Kevin allowed a new author to start posting who started, or even perpetuated, some ridiculous rumor designed to smear someone, even libel them, would you say Jay Tea, Kim, or Lorie were tied to the blog that spread the rumor? I would.

Brian, if Kevin allowed a new author to start posting who started, or even perpetuated, some ridiculous rumor designed to smear someone, even libel them, would you say Jay Tea, Kim, or Lorie were tied to the blog that spread the rumor? I would.

Difference is, Kos lets anyone become a diarist, Kevin does not. Should all of the thousands of diarists at Kos be held accountable for the writings of every other diarist?

Kevin, why assume the Daily Kos post was straight-up and honest in its "apparent" purpose of attacking Palin? Karl Rove has a history of planting things and then accusing it of coming from the opposition as a way of garnering sympathy for his side. It's his standard operating technique going back decades.

During the 1986 Texas governor's race, he planted an electronic device in his own office, then staged a press conference accusing the opposition of dirty tricks. The FBI was called in but figured out it was a scam and no charges were filed. Still, the accusation stuck around in the news and Rove's client beat the Democratic incumbent. Classic Karl.

Since the McCain campaign admits they knew Palin's daughter was pregnant before she was named to the ticket, they'd also have known that an unwed teenage pregnancy would be a divisive issue for religious conservatives. What better way to soften the blow than by first planting the story that Sarah faked her own pregnancy? This allowed the campaign to then come back and slap down the evil liberal blogosphere and "prove" the story was scurrilous by announcing the daughter is five months pregnant and therefore couldn't possibly have had a secret baby four months earlier. The approach muted any negative reaction from the religious Right base of the Republican Party (no easy trick) and created a talking point to use in the media against the opposition.

This is basic Karl 101. You must be new to this game.