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I Will Not Back Down in My Support for Sarah Palin

Let's be honest here. What the POS on the left are trying to do is defeat Sarah Palin by undercutting her support on the right. They're trying to get us to waver. They're trying to get us to go wobbly on our support for her. It's the only way they can defeat her. They have to scare us into backing down.

Well, I'm here to say that no matter what those on the left try to do, no matter how many lies the mainstream media vomit onto their newspapers, the airwaves, and the internet, I will not back down in my support of Sarah Palin.

I know what kind of low road tactics Obama's team pulls behind the scenes as he takes the high road. No matter what lies they feed to their partners in the mainstream media, at the Daily Kos, the Democratic Underground, Huffington Post and others, I will not back down in my support of Sarah Palin.

And let me say this: Governor Palin most certainly is qualified to be Vice president of the United States. As Governor of Alaska, she's managed a budget of $11 billion and 15,000 state employees.The departments that she is in charge of at the state level are the same departments at the federal level. How does Obama stack up against that? Poorly.

But this has come down to principle, everyone. These people who are slandering and smearing her and her family need to be defeated. The evil they perpetrate is eating our political system alive and it must be stopped.

I know I'm not alone in this, but I wanted to make sure everyone knows where I stand.

I will not waver in my support of Sarah Palin!


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Kim: don't flatter yourself... (Below threshold)

Kim: don't flatter yourself, you and the others on the right are not the target of the commentary. The lefties know that pretty much no matter who is on the ballot, in the end, you're going to pull the 'R' lever. The recipients of your anger are trying to reach the middle/undecided voters, the people whose votes will determine the outcome of the election. Maybe their tactics will work, maybe not. And given that most undecided voters don't read Kos, DU or, for that matter, watch a whole lot of Olbermann or the nightly news, I'm guessing their tactics will have a whole lot less impact than they hope for and you fear.

I, too, will not waver in m... (Below threshold)
langtry:

I, too, will not waver in my support of Sarah Palin!

I,m behind Sara 110%.Smarte... (Below threshold)
1903A3:

I,m behind Sara 110%.Smartest thing Sen.McCain has done to date.If the fools who read this crap belive any of these lies,then there is no hope,or change, for them.

initially i was a big fan o... (Below threshold)
toby:

initially i was a big fan of mcain and i have christian values but obviously palin is a big failure in that regard. Did she now her teen was having sex? if so she is a hypocrite. if not she is not a good parent. in either case i can no longer pull the lever for mccain.

I appreciate your resolve, ... (Below threshold)
Clay:

I appreciate your resolve, Kim. Honestly though, the spittle-spewing in which the left has engaged in has been nothing short of hilarious to me. Am I missing something? I mean, I really feel that all of the negative attention has been pretty much calculated and factored in and, so far, it's worked brilliantly. The left looks pretty much as it is, rabid and irrational. Their negative attacks are only furthering to energize the base.

You didn't think this would happen? The left would be yawning had McCain made a weaker choice. We should be excited about their desperation. I'm enjoying this.

initially i was a big fa... (Below threshold)
Clay:

initially i was a big fan of mcain

Nice try, dummy. Go back to DU or Kos.

McCain vs Obama... Crap, go... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

McCain vs Obama... Crap, gotta go (begrudgingly) with McCain, since Obama is an inexperienced, deceitful token candidate with domestic terrorist ties.

McCain vs Obama AND Biden... Well, I feel a bit better now. I will be voting against the empty suit and his plaigiarist sidekick... Wait, didn't even Joe say Obama wasn't ready for the Presidency?

McCain/Palin vs Obama/Biden... Wow! I never thought I'd feel good about voting FOR the McCain ticket.

Palin did that for me...

...and, I suspect, more than a few others.

Uh - what 'Christian values... (Below threshold)
apb:

Uh - what 'Christian values', toby? Palin and her daughter both obviously support the right to life, and good parents will love their children and support them. Christian values may include understanding the right to life, and forgiveness - neither of which are in your post.

Your attempt to play a Christian as well as your attempt at imposing a 'Catch-22' on this were both poorly conceived.

I will not back down either... (Below threshold)

I will not back down either!

Those who say Sara is not a good parent because her teen was having sex and is pregnant are just ignorant, and most likely don't have children. Good kids with good parents make bad choices everyday. Yes, even Christians with Christian values make bad decisions -- I know I have. I thank God for His forgiveness.

Palin did that for me...... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Palin did that for me...and, I suspect, more than a few others

Raises hand.

I'm with you, Son. I never thought I would feel good about McCain, but I have never been more excited than I am right now. I was dreading 11/4 a few days ago. Now...I CAN"T WAIT.

Barry and joltin' Joe? Gimme a break! This is just getting good.

Now we found out Palin hers... (Below threshold)
tiller:

Now we found out Palin herself was an unwed teen mother with a shotgun wedding to a DUI case that endangers other people's lives. What a loser the GOP has become. The comments here prove why the GOP will be extinct within the next 10 years. All hail president OBama
depp=true
notiz=Sockpuppet.

'Sieg Heil', eh tiller? hi... (Below threshold)
apb:

'Sieg Heil', eh tiller? history has shown what results when liberal sheep run rampant...

Penny, you're missing the p... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Penny, you're missing the point: Bristol did not do anything wrong. As a member of "the left", which I guess means everyone to the right of the authors of this blog, I see nothing wrong with 17 year olds having consensual sex, and it's encouraging that some of them take responsibility for their actions. Everybody liked Juno! It's a happy story!

Stop speaking about "divine forgiveness" for premarital sex, that doesn't resonate with most people and in fact it's kind of creepy. Instead you should pointedly ask what the hell anybody in the Palin family did wrong. If someone from "the left" thinks there's a problem with kids (above the age of consent) having sex, then they need to brush up on what it means to be "progressive", and you should tell them so.

For the right-wing, ideolog... (Below threshold)
David:

For the right-wing, ideology trumps experience and every other normal measure for a leader.

For them, ideology IS putting America first.

Just saying.

Unlike toby, the ex-big fan... (Below threshold)

Unlike toby, the ex-big fan of McCain, the more I hear about Sarah Palin, the more I am to come back into the fold.

I've voted for Republican candidates in 12 consecutive elections.

But until last week, I was definitely not going to vote Republican. I despise and fear John McCain, who has repeatedly broken his oath and shown his contempt for the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

And for months I have considered Sarah Palin (along with Bobby Jindahl) to be one of the very few running mates that might cause me to even consider voting for McCain.

Palin's selection hasn't (yet at least) pushed me firmly into the Republican fold, but is has moved me onto the fence.

There is nothing John McCain can say that would make me support him, because his word is worthless and cannot be trusted.

But his actions, his treatment of Palin, her behavior on the campaign trail, may all combine to convince me that holding my nose and voting for Palin in the hope that she will have some influence on a McCain administration, or eventually take over in 4 or 8 years (if not sooner), is the least of the evils facing us in this election.

And the recent revelations about Bristol and the family's reaction only increase my respect and support for Sarah Palin--who looks more and more like a real person in a world of posturing phonies.

Sorry David, you're 180 deg... (Below threshold)
apb:

Sorry David, you're 180 degrees off. So far in history, that ideologies that trumped experience include Leninism, Stalinism, plain-ole Communism, Fascism, and Nazism to name the top repressive, killing regimes. That's lefty ideology.

Just knowing.

so its ok for a teen to be ... (Below threshold)
tiller:

so its ok for a teen to be having sex out of wedlock and to get preganat? whose fault is that. let me answer you real clearly. THE PARENT. If palin cared about her family and not being a celebrity, this tragedy would not have happened.

I was not voting for mccain... (Below threshold)
voting4palin:

I was not voting for mccain but I am now. Before he announced Sarah Palin as his running mate I couldn't imagine being excited about this election but I am now. Especially if the best criticism the left can come up with is that her daughter got pregnant. Everything I hear about her makes me a stronger supporter. Even her decision to support her daughter as her daughter now tries to make the best of a previous bad decision.

I was not going to vote for... (Below threshold)

I was not going to vote for McCain until he put Sarah Palin on the ticket. In fact I had pretty much made up my mind that unless he put Palin on the ticket, I was staying home, and most conservative blogs considered Palin to be a long shot. All the talk was about Romney or Pawlenty or Jindal for VP, and while Romney was my choice for Presidential candidate, putting him on the ticket would not have been enough to make me vote for McCain.

I doubt that the state of Washington is in play, but McCain will have my support, and I've got my Palin bumper sticker on order ready to annoy liberals. I think all of us McCain-Palin supporters need to do everything we can to show our support.

Sarah Palin: points collect... (Below threshold)
Edward Sisson Author Profile Page:

Sarah Palin: points collected from comments on blogs (Sept. 1 & 2 2008) on why men like her for Vice President:

Outdoorsy type who loves her man. Strong but feminine.

Blue collar, not rich, she & husband earn their own money & not much of it either, from real jobs not the government

Working mom with 5 kids, who made it to Governor, confronted by one every parent's greatest fears, a pregnant teen daughter, handling it with love, acceptance, & support: "life happens."

Attractive & friendly: "she's hot"
Intelligent
Poised & confident
Plain speaker
Real reformer, not just a talker
Knows fuel/oil/energy issues
Hunter, knows guns,
Hockey mom, resembles regular conservative America

A better exemplar of masculine values than Obama, while staying feminine & without threatening men. Affirming masculine values is a profoundly conservative act.

At age 44, just gave birth to Downs child who is not aborted or shunned, but is loved and accepted by family; has son who enlisted in the Army who is not shunned as some kind of Scott Beauchamp psychopath but is loved and supported; & has a pregnant daughter who is not being shunned, instead is loved and accepted by parents.

Reminds guys of their sisters, wives, moms.

Hard worker who didn't ride on anyone's coat-tails

"My GenX hubby and brothers think she's all that and a bottle of pop."

"Low Maintenance." Strong women are likeable because low maintenance

A vote for her is a vote against militant feminists behaving as victims

If she goes on Ophra or The View and starts crying, male support will go down but female up.

Men moving faster to her than women are because women take longer to warm up to other women

initially i was a big fa... (Below threshold)
Cloudfish:

initially i was a big fan of mcain,

Are you sure your name isn't Moby, toby?

The first time I heard of Gov. Palin 5 or 6 months ago I knew she should be on the ticket. I still think so wholeheartedly. The vitriol spewed by the left makes me think even more that the direction they want our country to take is NOT the direction any country should go.

You know, initially I wasn't a big fan of McCain, but I am now.

Ignore all the little lefti... (Below threshold)
SteveM:

Ignore all the little lefties. They're still in Grinch-mode, wondering why we're still singing when they think the world is crumbling around us.

I really think this was a m... (Below threshold)
jj:

I really think this was a mistake. It is one thing to put on partisan blinders over this issue, but come on. I have to say, the thought of this woman running the country is downright scary. We are at a time of war and this womnan isnt ready. The first thing she said is I said no thanks to the bridge to nowhere. Now we find out she campaigned for it and even took the funds and used them in Alaska. She is not ready for this. We need the best team to win, and she does not help.

I put odds at over 50 percent that she is dropped from the ticket this week. I would like to see if some of the posters still will vote for Mccain after that happens.

Very amusing comments. So ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Very amusing comments. So many folks who claim they were not going to vote for McCain until he tapped Palin. The VP pick changed your minds? Why? McCain will still be president, you know. Palin is not going to be a Dick Cheney pulling strings behind closed doors. What happened to your opposition to McCain on immigration, campaign finance reform, etc.? A little window dressing is all it took?

Give me a break. You guys are as transparent as toby the concern troll.

hyperbolist: Excuse me, but... (Below threshold)
Penny:

hyperbolist: Excuse me, but I am not missing the point just because what I believe doesn't line up with what you believe.

You are missing my point! When a child does something wrong it DOES NOT make a parent a bad parent.

Odd how similar toby's and ... (Below threshold)
Jason Author Profile Page:

Odd how similar toby's and tiller's comments are in both content and grammar. Couldn't possibly be the same troll, could it? I think Jay or somebody needs to check their IP addys.

I put odds at over 50 pe... (Below threshold)
Clay:

I put odds at over 50 percent that she is dropped from the ticket this week.

I'll put the same odds on joltin' Joe being dropped from the Dem ticket in the same time frame. Barry's just shaking his head and muttering. Especially after this:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/30/video-biden-sees-unborn-people/

Palin looks simply incredible in comparison.

Wait, didn't even Joe sa... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Wait, didn't even Joe say Obama wasn't ready for the Presidency?

Wait, didn't even Sarah Palin say she doesn't know what a Vice President does, and that it wasn't a productive job?

mantis,I, for one,... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

mantis,

I, for one, was only grudgingly supportive of McCain before the VP pick, but I was always strongly anti-Obama.

Now, I am far more enthusiasitc about McCain. That doesn't mean I agree with him on the issues you mentioned. However, I now see him a someone much more likely to make some real changes in DC, not just talk about it.

McCain will still be pre... (Below threshold)
Clay:

McCain will still be president, you know.

The issues with McCain remain. But, his pick demonstrates a willingness to reach out to conservatives, maybe even regarding the issues on which we disagree. I'd be livid had he picked a Ridge or a Lieberman, enough to stay home in November.

But, not now...

Mantis -Palin's a ... (Below threshold)
apb:

Mantis -

Palin's a good counterpoint to temper McCain's lunacy in regard to amnesty and campaign finance - I don't believe Palin would be the second coming of Cheney, but I believe McCain WILL listen to her point of view.

On the other hand, Obomber and Biden would just mimic each other like 2 parakeets - with roughly the same brainpower. The whole policy of an Obomber presidency would reside with his speechwriters. Did Obomber enhance the 'change' message by bringing in a 40-year Senatorial lifer?

Brian,That's the b... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Brian,

That's the best you've got?!

As written in the constitution, the VP job ISN'T very productive. And the actual role a VP should have is hotly debated and changes from administration to administration.

Jeez, we need a better class of troll...

The idea of Biden getting d... (Below threshold)
Edward Sisson Author Profile Page:

The idea of Biden getting dropped (yes, I mean Biden) on some pretext, and being replaced by someone younger and more exciting (Gov. Tim Kaine of VA) would be a smart move for the Dems. The Biden pick feels old and like a loser move -- the man has tried for the Presidency several times and never could get anywhere with it, and he undercuts the new vision/reform message that is the only reason to vote Obama. It makes it look inescapable that Obama will have to staff-up the administration with the old liberal Dem establishment. Who are the new generation thinkers that ought to be Obama's closest and most intellectually exciting advisors? Who does he brainstorm with? Who does he hang out with? it isn't enough to say he doesn't hang out with Ayers and Wright -- we need to see who he does hang out with. Where are they?

The vice presidency does no... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The vice presidency does nothing. Sits in the Senate for tie breakers.

What I think is the lefty trolls got their marching orders from the KOS leaders to infiltrate all the conservative blogs to demoralize us. No way. Can't happen. Conservatives are core believers. We have a center. We believe in committment. Now, go back to the rock, lift it and get under it. ww

The other problem we are li... (Below threshold)
jj:

The other problem we are likely to have is that the MSM is two days behind kos. All kinds of new stuff is coming up today. Also, Palin is basically in hiding for the last 3 days. She is getting real close to seeming like she can't handle it and is shirking from the spotlight.

I just cant fathom why Romney, Jindal or even Huckabee weren't chosen. I think this race would be totally different if they were. Now we see obama breaking 50 percent. If we dump Palin now I think the damage will be minor.

The Myspace photos and comments of Bristol and Levi are not flattering and dont tell me all american familys have 16 year olds downing captain morgans and claiming to bee ass kicking rednecks. Sarah was part of a seccesionist party which basically promotes treason. This wasnt a good vetting process and it will make Mcain look bad in his decisions. dump her.

I won't support McCain with... (Below threshold)
malka:

I won't support McCain with Palin on the ticket. My husband is a rabbi here in Miami and the Jewish community here is very disappointed with Mrs Palin. It's pretty much unanimous here, we'll go with Obama/Biden. Not so much for Obama but Joe Biden is a favorite with us here in south Florida. If McCain had chosen Lieberman or Romney or almost anyone else we would've stuck by him, but not with Palin. She's lacking in any foreign policy experience and we don't trust her to deal with the likes of Iran or any other threatening country. We wish her no malice but McCain has certainly let alot of us down.

Dc.. you've written somethi... (Below threshold)
Mark S.:

Dc.. you've written something that's still "gnawing" at me today.

"But until last week, I was definitely not going to vote Republican. I despise and fear John McCain, who has repeatedly broken his oath and shown his contempt for the Constitution and Bill of Rights."

While the selection of Palin was a great first step, it's still Mccain we're considering as our presidential vote, and OTHER than the VP selection, what has done to assuage our fears that he's still the same RINO as he's always been?

Plain and simple, I STILL despite John McCain and fear that he may put in some more Non-Conservative stances.

Nobody has convinced me that McCain is the right choice for the top office in this country (the "less wrong" choice, yep.)? Is Palin a top flight choice for VP? Absolutely, but we vote on the President, the VP is just part of the package.

"so its ok for a teen to be... (Below threshold)
retired military:

"so its ok for a teen to be having sex out of wedlock and to get preganat? whose fault is that. let me answer you real clearly. THE PARENT"

You mean the parent that can't have a say when their 12 year old goes to get an abortion and doesnt have a right to know? you mean that parent?

Give us a break. 17 year olds have been getting pregnant for ohh probably about 6000+ years. Unless a parent is with them 24-7 they cant stop it if the girl (and boy) want to have sex.

Your red herring stinks as much as Obama and Biden.

That's the best you've g... (Below threshold)
Brian:

That's the best you've got?!

That the VP pick isn't informed enough to know what the VP does?

That's pretty damned good!

BTW (and I am being sarcas... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW (and I am being sarcastic here )

Why not lets be fair about things.
Lets have Michelle and Barrack take paternity tests to prove they are the actual parents of their "children".

How do we know that their children arent the result of an incestous relationship?

What would the lefties say if Barracks oldest daughter turned up pregnant and wanted to keep the baby? Would they wonder if Barrack was the father? Oh my. Double standars much.

Are they then considered bad parents?

The right wouldnt touch those things with a 100 foot pole but the swamp that is the left just jump right in now dont they'

Ha! For years it's been "li... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Ha! For years it's been "liberal attitudes have been corrupting our youth, and abstinence is the answer!" Now it's "17 year olds have been getting pregnant for ohh probably about 6000+ years. Unless a parent is with them 24-7 they cant stop it if the girl (and boy) want to have sex."

Very amusing.

"So many folks who claim th... (Below threshold)

"So many folks who claim they were not going to vote for McCain until he tapped Palin. The VP pick changed your minds? Why?"

1) Because it shows that McCain is repenting and listening to his conservative base. She's been a longtime dark horse favorite among grassroots conservatives (see HotAir's poll on the subject back in May here).
2) Because 18.6% of Presidents have died in office. I would never wish death on McCain, but there is the hope that this could be President Palin eventually, or that McCain won't run after 4 years and Palin will be the next Presidential candidate.
3) Because even if we disagree with McCain, we disagree with Obama-Biden even more. Having Palin in the White House is the best shot us conservatives have of our voices being heard.

I can't speak for everyone, but I myself have been very consistent in saying I would almost certainly not vote for McCain unless Palin was his VP pick. Here I am saying it on another message board on August 10, when everyone was saying Palin wasn't going to happen.

Because it shows that Mc... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Because it shows that McCain is repenting and listening to his conservative base.

Or pandering because his polling indicated his base support was too squishy. But he's too mavericky for that, right?

Because 18.6% of Presidents have died in office.

That doesn't explain why someone would refuse to vote for the presidential candidate, but then capitulate to vote for the vice-presidential candidate. Unless, of course, you're betting on McCain dying in office.

Because even if we disagree with McCain, we disagree with Obama-Biden even more.

But not enough to vote for McCain without Palin? How does that work? You still disagreed with Obama/Biden more before he picked her, right?

Having Palin in the White House is the best shot us conservatives have of our voices being heard.

Do you really believe that McCain of all people would let her influence his decision making as president?

I myself have been very consistent in saying I would almost certainly not vote for McCain unless Palin was his VP pick.

Apparently you, like Palin, are unaware what the VP does.

Holy sh*t, RM, I think I ju... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Holy sh*t, RM, I think I just agreed with you: 17 year olds have sex and will continue to do so no matter what their parents tell them about it!

Penny, to reiterate: Sarah Palin's daughter did nothing wrong, legally or morally. Your bizarro anti-sex agenda does not do "your side" any favours, and alienates the centrist majority in your country. Repressing normal, healthy human sexuality is so medieval. Again: if you want to spin this issue in a positive light for your side (and you should, because a bunch of "leftist" reactionary douche bags are doing the same), you should simply ask, "What is the problem with a 17 year old choosing to have a child?"

Sure seems to me like there... (Below threshold)
Edward Sisson Author Profile Page:

Sure seems to me like there are some folks here (jj and malka) pretending that they were for McCain, or were considering him, until the Palin pick, when in reality they are Obama supporters putting on a deceitful appearance of posing as potential McCain supporters. It doesn't wash.

Mantis and the other sincere lefties: thanks for being sincere. But the Palin pick very legitimately makes a difference to potential McCain supporters. The choice of a vice president can be a signal to the country what kind of person you think ought to lead the country in the future, as well as a signal to the country of what areas of leadership you, as President, feel you may need help in.

The Palin choice signals that McCain thinks America should be led in the future by strong women who choose life -- not that they argue under the constitution about whether women ought to have the choice, but that having the choice, they choose life. That is a very positive message. The Palin choice also signals that McCain is confident in his own experience, judgment, and health. Lefties may think it signals over-confidence, but at least it signals confidence.

Obama's Biden pick says zilch on what kind of person should lead America in the future -- Biden is too old to be a symbol of the future. And choosing Biden signals that Obama himself feels vulnerable on the experience argument. It feels like Kennedy picking Johnson except you don't get Texas.

...an attempt back to the t... (Below threshold)
Clay:

...an attempt back to the topic.

I'm pleased with McCain's pick for a running mate. I think the left's smears of her and her family are despicable. But, I also find a tremendous amount of humor in their desperation. Their anger at the fact that Barry got nothing from the DNC (or his Greek tragedy of a speech) is palpable. The support given the McCain ticket will be in proportion to the attacks on Palin. Finally, something is energizing this base...thanks to the left!

Obama's Biden pick says ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Obama's Biden pick says zilch on what kind of person should lead America in the future -- Biden is too old to be a symbol of the future.

Sounds like an argument against McCain to me. Or is it somehow only the VP leading America into the future, and not the president?

It feels like Kennedy picking Johnson except you don't get Texas.

True, but you do get help with Catholics, seniors, and South Florida.

The Palin choice signals... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

The Palin choice signals that McCain thinks America should be led in the future by strong women who choose life -- not that they argue under the constitution about whether women ought to have the choice, but that having the choice, they choose life.

I'm sorry, Edward, but that's an incoherent use of the words "choose" and "choice". I can respect a pro-life argument without agreeing with it, but for you to couch your position in terms of having "chosen" life by advocating for stripping women of the right to choose to terminate a pregnancy is just silly.

Sorry David, you'r... (Below threshold)
Diaz:
Sorry David, you're 180 degrees off. So far in history, that ideologies that trumped experience include Leninism, Stalinism, plain-ole Communism, Fascism, and Nazism to name the top repressive, killing regimes. That's lefty ideology.


Just knowing.

16. Posted by apb

Actually, "apb" you're off.

True enough, Communism is at the far end of the political LEFT, but Fascism (and Nazism) are at the far RIGHT of the political spectrum.

"Or pandering because his p... (Below threshold)

"Or pandering because his polling indicated his base support was too squishy. But he's too mavericky for that, right?"

Watching Democrats get on their high horses about pandering has not stopped being funny. Please, keep it up.

"That doesn't explain why someone would refuse to vote for the presidential candidate, but then capitulate to vote for the vice-presidential candidate. Unless, of course, you're betting on McCain dying in office. But not enough to vote for McCain without Palin? How does that work? You still disagreed with Obama/Biden more before he picked her, right?"

I'm sorry to hear reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Post 42 did in fact answer all these questions.

"Apparently you, like Palin, are unaware what the VP does."

So now that you're transparency charge has been proven false and it's been shown that conservatives were always energized about a Palin as a possible VP, you resort to "you're stupid" arguments. Typical Democrat.

Hey hyperbolist, A lot of ... (Below threshold)
Steve H.:

Hey hyperbolist, A lot of people some 70 years ago, thought Hitler was a progressive for his time. Remember what happened there?

My, my...so many new names.... (Below threshold)

My, my...so many new names...and so many that 'used to support mccain but now won't'. Uh-huh. Yep.

is it just me or do liberal trolls think conservative bloggers are stupid? sorry, dumb question.

and, for the record, I too will vote for McCain/Palin when I wouldn't vote for many other McCain/Veep combinations. And I'll even explain why in a way that mantis can understand. I refused to vote for mccain due to some of his choices - what he chose to fight on, what he chose to concede to democrats. by selecting Palin he's demonstrated to me that he can make a right choice when he has to, even when the choice may not be one that sings perfectly in harmony with him all the time (vs. the pitch perfect resonance of the #1 and #3 most liberal senators running together). And, yes, I've also said it before in other fora. that's why I'm voting for mccain, because of what the pick says about him, and it isn't just a vote for palin. as an example, I worried about what sort of kennedy he might vomit forth to fill a SCOTUS vacancy - I'm more confident that he might make a decent choice now.

and, yes, my grammar in this comment stinks. I just can't be bothered to fix it

*your... (Below threshold)

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Mantis -I'm not wi... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Mantis -

I'm not wild about McCain. I wasn't particularly thrilled about ANY of the Presidential candidates this year.

I was going to vote for him because I AM, however, quite undisposed to vote for Obama - because I'm QUITE sure that (judging by the dismissals of my concerns by the folks over at the Blue) the things I'm concerned with are very much not important to them.

Indeed, due to my unbelief I will probably be grouped with all the unbelievers who will be the first up against the wall when the Obamarevolution comes.

Yeah, that's REAL appealing.

So that leaves me to vote for either McCain, not vote, or vote for some 3rd-party candidate who doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected - thereby essentially being a non-vote - or essentially a tacit vote FOR Obama. (If I really wanted batshit insane, I could vote for Cynthia McKinney - she's so nuts that even the Georgia Democratic party wouldn't support her any more...)

So I was going to be a resigned McCain voter. Palin has changed that. I realize she doesn't have much chance of becoming President - but I feel her values match mine fairly closely, and she's got the potential to shake up Washington good.

I think one of the things that's really got people on the left upset about Palin is that she's not a carefully fabricated set of talking points and position papers, promising all sorts of things to everyone yet never delivering. The Obama supporters are faced with a politican who actually seems to mean what she says, is effective in Alaska, and who's actually married to an independent union member... thereby showing that unions and lockstep Democratic voting don't necessarily go hand in hand. And THAT has to be a real shocker - they DON'T want the rank and file to start thinking for themselves.

As such - she must be stopped by any means possible.

And I've got to admit - the more attacks the left levels against her, the more I'm thinking she's really the right person for the VP slot. Everyone in Washington is a known quantity at this point - but she's not from inside the Beltway. I really see that as a plus in her favor. McCain made a good choice, and it makes voting for him a lot easier.

Will you change your though... (Below threshold)
PeachPit:

Will you change your thoughts now that we have found out she has her own Rev. Wright?

Read up on her nutjob preacher and still tell me you A OK with her.....

She scares most independent thinkers. One Track-One Issue voters on abortion will love her forever.

McCain could leave his crippled wife for a younger richer woman and they would still voter for Palin...

Falze - "is it ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Falze -

"is it just me or do liberal trolls think conservative bloggers are stupid? sorry, dumb question."

They're convinced of their own superiority, or so it seems. Doubt never enters their minds.

Falze -See PeachPi... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Falze -

See PeachPit for an example.

Man, the TrollWorks really got a rotten batch of brains this week. It's pathetic.

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Jeff in Texas:

Did she now her teen was having sex? if so she is a hypocrite. if not she is not a good parent. in either case i can no longer pull the lever for mccain.

A hypocrite is someone who professes beliefs they do not hold. Even if she new Bristol was having sex, that doesn't maker her a hypocrite and it doesn't make Bristol one either. It makes them human.

They can both believe that pre-marital sex is wrong and not be hypocrites, even though Bristol did just that. People have weaknesses and give in to urges sometimes.

I also don't think this makes the Palins bad parents. Maybe there was more that could have been done; maybe not. I know when I was that age, there was no way my parents could have known everything I was doing. It's impossible. They raised me with certain values and hoped I would hold to those values. For the most part, I did.

The more I hear about the Palins, good and bad, the MORE I support them and the McCain/Palin ticket. So far, they have handled the situation with class and dignity. It can not easy to find out your teenage daughter is pregant. However, they chose to keep the baby and Bristol will marry the father. That was the hard choice.

The easy way out would have been for Bristol to have an abortion and sweep the whole thing under the rug. For them, the right way was more important than the easy way.

Sorry, Diaz -The f... (Below threshold)
apb:

Sorry, Diaz -

The foundations of the Nazi party were true socialism - true 'common good' before the individual. Fascism is in the style of what liberals want in a pure command and control governmental system - the ability to shut out contrary positions and discourse through fiat; in the finest algore style of AGW assessment.

Watching Democrats get o... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Watching Democrats get on their high horses about pandering has not stopped being funny.

I'm not condemning it, I'm recognizing it for what it is. Politicians pander. That's what they do. Watching Republicans convince themselves it is evidence of commitment to ideological principles is pretty funny too.

I'm sorry to hear reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Post 42 did in fact answer all these questions.

Post 42 made no sense. You still make no sense.

So now that you're transparency charge has been proven false and it's been shown that conservatives were always energized about a Palin as a possible VP

I never said conservatives weren't energized for Palin. I asked why that makes the difference between voting and not voting for McCain. Of course, my guess is the vast majority of you would have voted for McCain anyway, and now he's given you a way to do so and still "feel" conservative. Too bad for you it wouldn't have any impact on how he governs, but to disabuse yourself of that notion would be too painful, I guess.

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Jake:

It boggles the mind how little thought actually goes into most of these postings, and heck, the original post itself.

I know, I know, everything left of you is bad, evil, and completely without merit. Yet, you love your country, right? I'm having a hard time understanding how if you so despise the other half of your fellow countrymen.

Don't get me wrong, I'm equally disgusted with the sites like DU who believe that anyone to the right of them is bad, evil, and completely without merit. We're fighting "extremists" overseas, but don't you see that the type of talk displayed here is also "extremism"?

by selecting Palin he's ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

by selecting Palin he's demonstrated to me that he can make a right choice when he has to, even when the choice may not be one that sings perfectly in harmony with him all the time (vs. the pitch perfect resonance of the #1 and #3 most liberal senators running together).

And you don't think that he made that choice to assuage all the conservatives on the fence about him, regardless of how he actually intends to govern? Do you think he'll crack down on illegal immigration now because of the Palin pick?

thereby showing that unions and lockstep Democratic voting don't necessarily go hand in hand. And THAT has to be a real shocker - they DON'T want the rank and file to start thinking for themselves.

It's a real shock that there are conservative union members? Please, now you're just being silly.

McCain made a good choice, and it makes voting for him a lot easier.

Hey, I understand that. What I don't quite get is the 180 turnaround from "McCain? Never!" to "Palin? Go McCain!" as if the same name wasn't at the top of the ticket.

Mantis -"What I do... (Below threshold)
apb:

Mantis -

"What I don't quite get is the 180 turnaround from "McCain? Never!" to "Palin? Go McCain!" as if the same name wasn't at the top of the ticket."

Simple - it's the 'hope' and 'change' conservatives need. Hope that McCain tempers some of his dopier ideas, and change in bringing in a non-D.C resident for a top office...

Jake -In a word, n... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Jake -

In a word, no.

You're free to post here - to express your opinion and have it either agreed with or disagreed with.

Over on the left? You'll be disappeared in a heartbeat if you don't agree with them.

I don't see the folks on the left as being evil - I see them as being very self-righteous and intolerant, to the point where they will not allow any dissent. And that doesn't really start to apply until you get to the ideological far left - it's easy to have a conversation with folks like Mantis who got essentially kicked out of the Blue because he wasn't extreme enough for them. HE is willing to respect other opinions, even if he doesn't agree with them. So am I - but if your opinion is that I should just shut up because you don't agree with me, and YOU are the only arbiter of what's right or wrong - we're not going to see eye to eye at all.

"I'm not condemning it, I'm... (Below threshold)

"I'm not condemning it, I'm recognizing it for what it is. Politicians pander. That's what they do."

I never denied that McCain's move contains a pandering element, so I guess we're square there.

"Post 42 made no sense. You still make no sense."

If you say so.

"I never said conservatives weren't energized for Palin. I asked why that makes the difference between voting and not voting for McCain. Of course, my guess is the vast majority of you would have voted for McCain anyway"

Nobody can know for sure what would have happened. All I can do is point you to my track record, and I have been very consistent in saying I would not have voted for McCain unless Palin was the pick. It isn't something I made up just today to make my support for McCain sound better.

If he'd chosen someone else for the ticket, would I have eventually cast a grudging vote for McCain? Maybe.

Would I have volunteered time at the local campaign office, purchased yard signs and bumper stickers, and blogged about my support for the ticket? Definitely not.

Anyways, I am out, take care everyone.

Thanks for the quick respon... (Below threshold)
Edward Sisson Author Profile Page:

Thanks for the quick response, mantis -- and you're right, McCain's age was a factor in why I preferred Romney, and why I was ambivalent between McCain and Obama prior to the VP picks.

I've met Tim Kaine, in June in the VA Capitol where he met one of my pro bono clients, an African-American woman who was unjustly sentenced to 70 years without parole, for 5 armed bank robberies in 1984. We've been working for years to get her a conditional, partial pardon of her sentence. Gov. after Gov. refused, including Mark Warner -- but Kaine came through. Google it if you don't believe it: Ollin Renaye Crawford. For a governor who is being considered for national office (on Obama's VP short-list), knowing full well what happened to Dukakis on the Willie Horton release, to pardon a person convicted of armed bank robbery: that takes real political courage. And not only did Kaine do it, he made special arrangements to be photographed with her in his own officlal conference room in the VA Capitol, and gave her a print with his personal autograph and message. I was there.

I'm white, but I know first-hand how energizing it would be in America's 39-million-member strong African-American community to elect Obama. It would be great for the country.

And I know of the very strong pro-Christian aspect of America's southern, rural African-American community. The strongest, most passionate Christians I've ever known have been rural southern African-Americans. What do you think sustained my pro bono client through 34 years of unjust imprisonment?

And I know the very strong pro-life aspect of that community. It is not a matter of arguing the constitution, it is a matter of wanting babies and loving them, even if you have conceived them earlier in life than you wisely should have.

But Obama is throwing this thing away. The left generally has fallen for the cynicism and deceit of Saul Alinski, and it is a huge mistake. I walked away from the left because of it -- and I used to be an avant garde theater producer in San Francisco, in the 1980s, about as left an environment as you can find.

For those who make their claim based on idealism, honesty and candor is vital. For VP, Obama picked an old guy who got driven out of a run for president due to dishonesty (the Kinnock incidents). He could have picked Kaine, a man with real political courage. McCain picked a person who comes across as honest, and all of the dishonesty claims like the "fake pregnancy" smear are so offensive and deceitful that I find it impossible to consider voting for a candidate whose supporters are so low.

And it is way too clever, and deceitful, for Obama himself, when asked about Palin's qualifications on the Anderson Cooper show, to only talk about the mayorship and pretend she isn't a sitting governor. A man whose claim to leadership is his idealism can't be so clever that it turns into dishonesty like that.

Peachpit (for a brain ) sai... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Peachpit (for a brain ) said

"Will you change your thoughts now that we have found out she has her own Rev. Wright?

Read up on her nutjob preacher and still tell me you A OK with her....."

Gee I thought we still had freedom of religion in this country. Or did the libs cancel that too. I havent read anything about her preacher and I dont really care. As I said in a previous thread. SO WHAT!!!! If you vote for someone only because of what someone else says about them then you are nothing but a lemming and are nothing better than Obama who is waiting on someone above his paygrade to tell him is opinion.

BTW since you are still voting for Obama despite Rev Wright and you are mentioning this item you have basically proven yourself an idiot for even mentioning this line of reasoning.

"She scares most independent thinkers. One Track-One Issue voters on abortion will love her forever. "

Oh so one track voters who are proabortion will love her? You hear that Hypber. Peach pit is saying you will vote for Palin.

And by definition of independant thinkers you mean proabortion lefties correct? Because umm they cant realy be independent thinkers in your opinion without that criteria correct?

"McCain could leave his crippled wife for a younger richer woman and they would still voter for Palin...
"

Well since we have Obama as an alternative yeah we have to take what we can get because somehow we dont think it can get any worse than Obama.

toby/tiller' mother deserve... (Below threshold)
twolaneflash:

toby/tiller' mother deserves a retroactive abortion. After all, she didn't have any children that lived.

Mantis,I never ... (Below threshold)
Modean:

Mantis,

I never said conservatives weren't energized for Palin. I asked why that makes the difference between voting and not voting for McCain. Of course, my guess is the vast majority of you would have voted for McCain anyway, and now he's given you a way to do so and still "feel" conservative. Too bad for you it wouldn't have any impact on how he governs, but to disabuse yourself of that notion would be too painful, I guess.

I think the difference for me is that I really, really don't like McCain. The man and I disagree on multiple levels. Add to that his offputting demeanor, temperment, and tendency to shoot from the lip and I've got plenty of reasons not to vote for him. In fact I voted for Hillary, and when Obamah wrapped up the nomination I vowed to sit this one out or vote for Barr (I'm an old school Reagan Democrat). In otherwords I had neither the intention nor the motivation to vote for McCain until he picked Palin.

I know there's little she will do to affect McCain's actions as President, but Palin balances the scales for me. I can now vote for him now even though I know she's basically window dressing. She won't change who he is and as VP her job will basically consist of giving speeches and going to funerals - let's not kid ourselves folks - but in 2012 it's a whole new ballgame.

Win or Lose, for me Sarah Palin is the new face of the Republican party. She reminds me of why I voted for Reagan in '80 and '84 which was the last time I voted FOR any candidate. I can see myself voting FOR Sarah Palin, instead of against someone. The only real contest for me will be if Hillary and Sarah are running against each other. Then of course I'll feel spoiled for choice.

McCain-Palin 2008S... (Below threshold)

McCain-Palin 2008

Sarah Palin today, Sarah Palin tomorrow and Sarah Palin on January 20, 2009:

The next VPOTUS, Sarah Louise Heath Palin!!!

Reading the comments from t... (Below threshold)
Bullwinkle:

Reading the comments from the Lefties makes me think of Ford dropping a note to GM:

That engine you're to put into next year's cars is awful. Just wanted you to know, always willing to help out a friend!

If Palin was 1/10th as bad of a pick as the Lefties says she is they'd have nothing but words of encouragement.

Peach Pit doesn't vote or s... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Peach Pit doesn't vote or speak for me. (I don't vote in your election.) Having said that, I rank abortion rights pretty far down the list of things that are important to me politically, as I don't have a female reproductive system to concern myself with. Thanks, though.

"I will not waver in my sup... (Below threshold)
max:

"I will not waver in my support of Sarah Palin!"

Amen, Kim. Let me say, as a resident "liberal troll", I am 100% in favor of Palin as McCains running mate. Whatever happens, do not let McCain dump her. She will virtually guarantee an Obama victory.

Oh, and retired? You are truly an idiot.

As the old saying goes i... (Below threshold)
guido:

As the old saying goes if you're taking a lot of flak then you are over the target.
Look at the hypocritical flak that the left is hurling at Sarah Palin and, most disturbingly, at her family. She scares the shit out of them. And they should be scared. She compares very favorably to the TOP of their ticket, and the Messiah is falling right into the trap of trying to compare his creds to hers, and he has to refer to her as a small town mayor, rather than as the governor, just to try to make it appear to be a fair comparison.

Were she merely the inadequate choice they are trying to paint her as, they would snicker under their breath and start choosing the new White House china pattern.

-- typo in my last post: 24... (Below threshold)
Edward Sisson Author Profile Page:

-- typo in my last post: 24 years of imprisonment, not 34.

Bullwinkle, gee, one might ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Bullwinkle, gee, one might say the same thing about the right's ridicule of Biden. Who would you prefer on the ticket, Biden or Kucinich?

Palin seems to me a confident and responsible person but by putting her on the ticket the McCain campaign lost the right to honestly assert itself as more credible on international issues--regardless of how close to Russia Alaska may be.

hyperbolist: You obviously ... (Below threshold)
Penny:

hyperbolist: You obviously don't get what I am saying and probably won't agree anyway so I will not waste my time with further responses to you.

No, I get what you're sayin... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

No, I get what you're saying, but I think it's wrong. I think it's wrong to morally condemn 17 year olds for having sex, because there's no basis from which to do so. Practically speaking, I think kids should be more responsible, and teen pregnancy, abortion, and STD rates support my view.

You are right, though, that I'm not likely to agree with you on this subject, though I respect your right to teach abstinence-only education in your own home to your own children.

Penny,Hyperliar is... (Below threshold)
Kenny:

Penny,

Hyperliar is just here to argue and throw insults, he's not interested in a reasoned debate.

Since you make a valid point, he drops to distraction and insults.

No, I get what you're sa... (Below threshold)
Penny:

No, I get what you're saying, but I think it's wrong. I think it's wrong to morally condemn 17 year olds for having sex, because there's no basis from which to do so. Practically speaking, I think kids should be more responsible, and teen pregnancy, abortion, and STD rates support my view.

You are right, though, that I'm not likely to agree with you on this subject, though I respect your right to teach abstinence-only education in your own home to your own children.

One more try: You do not get what I am saying! I DID NOT say it was wrong for a 17 year-old to have sex! My response was to the person who said Sarah Palin was a bad mother because her daughter had sex.

All I said was a choice made by a child does not necessarily mean the parent is a bad parent. No where in that statement does it say Sarah Palin's daughter did something wrong.

You have NO idea what I teach my child, but thank you for jumping to stereotyped conclusions. That's very liberal and compassionate of you.

By the way you have an awful lot to say for someone who doesn't vote in our election.

PTA = experience...... (Below threshold)
PeachPit:

PTA = experience...

Thanks Kenny. I have notic... (Below threshold)
Penny:

Thanks Kenny. I have noticed...LOL!!

Penny,

Hyperliar is just here to argue and throw insults, he's not interested in a reasoned debate.

Since you make a valid point, he drops to distraction and insults.

Practically speaking, I ... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Practically speaking, I think kids should be more responsible, and teen pregnancy, abortion, and STD rates support my view.

This is definitely off-topic, but I would like to have this discussion with you some time. I think you'll find that your practical statistics maybe aren't so much.

BTW, thank you so much for respecting my autonomy in teaching my children in my own home. Will you also afford me the same respect while I ask that schools be reserved for teaching academics, not values?

It's sort of hysterical (an... (Below threshold)
Andrew Bosma:

It's sort of hysterical (and downright scary) to me how so many people on the far right have UNCRITICALLY thrown their support so strongly behind a VP candidate that they don't know anything about. It's absurd.

Yes, I'm one of the much hated democratic supporters. But so what? If you think for a second that if this exact same scenario played out with democratic ticket, that I'd blindly throw my support behind a candidate for the V.P. position who I knew NOTHING about 60 days out from the election, well... you'd be freakin' nuts.

I'm sorry people, but politics isn't sports. You don't root for a party as if it were a favorite team. That's the mindset of an irresponsible citizen. You vote for the best candidate... regardless of party affiliation. And there is no doubt in my mind, after very careful consideration, that the team of Obama and Biden are the best choice the citizenry of this country has to turn the page on the disastrous Bush administration and begin anew.

"Will you change your th... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Will you change your thoughts now that we have found out she has her own Rev. Wright?"

So, you admit that Rev. Wright is a nutjob, and his 20 yrs of "God damn America" influence over Obama could damage America? (Not to mention your own bad influence.)

"Read up on her nutjob preacher and still tell me you A OK with her....."

Oh, you're more than enough nutjob to experience in one day, pit.

"She scares most independent thinkers. One Track-One Issue voters on abortion will love her forever."

I'm an independent, and your one-track issue is mainly the pro-choice extreme left. You only wish she would scare somebody besides you.

"McCain could leave his crippled wife for a younger richer woman and they would still voter for Palin..."

Are you progressive? You sure cough up a lot of the past without full knowledge of the circumstances, don't you? Yeah, keep hacking away, pit, to no avail.

Or, Andrew, maybe we uhm, y... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Or, Andrew, maybe we uhm, you know, actually DO know her...

and we like what we see.

(We also know Biden... very well)

I hope the desperate posts from the left, paired with feigned "concern" about Sarah Palin's qualifications (hint: Sarah is WAY more qualified than Obama, your front man) continue until the election. The louder the protests, the more more vile the attacks, the more I know McCain made an awesome choice.

Get used to this, you half-witted lefty kooks:
"Vice President Sarah Palin".

But don't get comfortable with it, as I suspect we may someday get to a "President Sarah Palin".

And oh my, it will be glorious to see DUmmie heads explode en masse.

I'm sorry people, ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
I'm sorry people, but politics isn't sports. You don't root for a party as if it were a favorite team. That's the mindset of an irresponsible citizen.

Okay, that's almost the stupidest comment I have read today. How long does it take you to research a candidate? Less than a month, I hope. Unless you're just biding your time, trying to come up with empty arguments.

Anyone notice what a fumbli... (Below threshold)

Anyone notice what a fumbling hemming & hawing type Obama is when faced even with a friendly interlocutor? And I'm sure Anderson Cooper would love to get even friendlier.

Obama isn't as qualified for POTUS as Palin, who knows more about energy policy than anyone running for POTUS in 2008. McCain has made a brilliant choice & all the shrieking & hysterics from the leftist political elites reveals that choosing a blue-collar mom with executive experience is driving the loony left to Clarence Thomas extremes. Where is Anita Hill now that they need her?

I'm an independent, and ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I'm an independent, and your one-track issue is mainly the pro-choice extreme left.

Yeah, right.

The Palin choice signals that McCain thinks America should be led in the future by strong women who choose life
So choosing life is a bad t... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

So choosing life is a bad thing to you, Brian? Evidently you didn't read the post here about NOW coming out against Palin? Sympathy for a woman's situation is a whole other issue, but I really have no problem with "choosing life."

Interesting how we found ou... (Below threshold)

Interesting how we found out so much about Palin in a matter of days:

1) Pregnant daughter
2) Her prenatal care responsibilities
3) Political affiliations dating back to early 1990's
4) Husband has DUI
5) Palin was pregnant when she married

Conservatives will take in this information and form their own decisions, which I predict will galvanize their support.

But let's not ignore the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM (listen up Hillary supporters)....where was this vast, sweeping, detailed and instantaneous background check on Barrack Obama during the primaries?

No where to be seen, that's where. And is anyone fooled by the subterfuge that the BHO campaign pushed a phony Palin "not pregnant" pregnancy story and used a proxy like the scum bag on KOS to get this story in the MSM in a manner that didn't dirty Obama's clean (thank's Biden) image?

Call for John McCain: Hire Roger Stone immediately.


tiller, I'm not sure what y... (Below threshold)
SAHMmy:

tiller, I'm not sure what your particular defect is, but you clearly exhibit one.

I am the parent of 2 teens and a 10 year old. I am a conservative. We are devout Catholics, and yes I have told my children that sex is a gift reserved for marriage. I'm also, as my name implies, a Stay At Home Mom.

Does this mean my children will not have sex before marriage? I hope they don't, but they probably will. If they get pregnant is that our fault as parents? They won't let me sleep on the floor of my son's dorm room to make sure he's not out there having sex without my permission, what's a mother to do?!

I mean for the love of Pete! When did all the liberals turn into the Church Lady? As a parent you try diligently to instill in your children values and a framework within which to understand those values. Today's culture, the cesspool that it is, is a huge pull to young people. I just hope my husband and I were successful at making an impact on our children with regard to the designed intent of human sexuality.

I surely hope that all of o... (Below threshold)
maggie:

I surely hope that all of our future generations don't come up with the assumption it's okay to breed like dogs in heat when ever
they have the urge.
That is the uniqueness of man, he's born with a
soul as well as a spirit. This separates him
from the animal kingdom.

Heh, if <a href="http://www... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Heh, if this is legit, and it certainly seems to be, I am even more surprised at the Palin choice. She must really be something in front of the microphone for McCain to take such a gamble. Wow.

Peach pitted brain... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Peach pitted brain

"PTA = experience..."

Yeah that sorta offsets community organizer. You know that other thing that Obama has on his resume along with 147 days of voting present in the Senate.

Did you pick your handle by measuring the size of your brain? Or is it your bird ass that gets overloaded by your whale sized mouth.

Geez what an idiot.

So choosing life is a ba... (Below threshold)
Brian:

So choosing life is a bad thing to you, Brian?

No, not at all. Did I say it was?

She can choose whatever she wants. Just as you can choose strawman crap posts instead of actually reading the comment I was responding to.

mantisIs Anne Kilk... (Below threshold)

mantis

Is Anne Kilkenny in your comment #94 ([email protected]) a registered Democrat?

And if she's legit, as you claim ("and it certainly seems to be") give us her creds.

They democrats dont need to... (Below threshold)
James:

They democrats dont need to slander her. Shes doing a good job on her own. The republican party. The biggest fucking hypocrites and racist people in the world. Its ok when the media is all over Obama but as soon as they start asking hard questions you run away like little babies. "Oh boo hoo I wont come on your show Mr. Larry King because you were mean to us." Grow up, McCain

JamesTell that to Ba... (Below threshold)

James
Tell that to Barack ...Hillary appeared on Fox with O'Reilly, Barack didn't have the guts.

Oh yeah, Brian. I forgot y... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Oh yeah, Brian. I forgot you like to respond selectively.

I am an independent and understand that women's issues are not as simple as pro-choice or pro-life. Just because you don't understand what an independent is, doesn't mean I am using a strawman argument.

Choosing life may seem extreme to you and only right wing, but I feel it is a good stance to live by.

Like some here I intended t... (Below threshold)

Like some here I intended to vote for McCain because the alternative was just not palatable. I just kept thinking about Supreme Court nominations. But, if he had chosen Leiberman, I would have stayed home. It would have shown me what sort of nomination he would have made. That would have been the last poke in the eye. You can only poke me in the eye so many times before I walk off and let the dogs have at you.

Hughs, He doesnt need guts.... (Below threshold)
James:

Hughs, He doesnt need guts. He has brains. Do you think he is stupid enough to fall for the Republicans tricks? Here the way I see it; The only reasons why people will not vote for Obama is because they are rich ,racist, or they are bitter over the Clinton crap. You people cry out over abortion but killing millions of people overseas doesnt bother you a bit. But they dont matter because they arent Christian. I wonder what Jesus would say when you have no tolerance for other races. You people are going against everything Jesus preached. You people seriously make me sick.

Here the way I see it; T... (Below threshold)

Here the way I see it; The only reasons why people will not vote for Obama is because they are rich ,racist, or they are bitter over the Clinton crap.

The fact he doesn't know how to make a decision (how many votes did he cast that weren't 'Present'?), his manifest lack of experience, or that someone might not like his policies shouldn't matter?

Sorry, bub - but if that's how you see things, you need to clean your glasses.

You people are going ... (Below threshold)

You people are going against everything Jesus preached. You people seriously make me sick.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is preached openly and freely in the United States every Sunday, James.

In fact, it's preached everywhere here, all the time, 24/7. Thank the Lord.

I'm thankful for that because, among many reasons, in other countries the same can't be said. If anything I've said here is contrary to the Gospel then by all means hold forth.

Sure, Clay. Teach kids thin... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Sure, Clay. Teach kids things about sex that doctors know to be true, because sex has nothing to do with superstition and falls within the providence of medical science and human psychology. And be sure to include valid epidemiological information on STDs, comparing the United States to Canada, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, and Japan--where kids are taught what sex is and how to respect it, rather than fear it. Statistics show abstinence-only education to be a loser in every regard except for instilling some perverse moral fear of pre-marital sex in the minds of children. If you have read something to the contrary, please share, I'd be genuinely interested to read it.

Penny, you're being dishonest: No where in that statement does it say Sarah Palin's daughter did something wrong. (Your words.) In the first place, though, you said Palin's daughter made a "bad choice" (comment #9), which shows plainly your view of pre-marital sex. Don't lie to me, I can read and my memory isn't that bad. I don't think Bristol made a bad choice, unless they weren't using contraceptives (and nobody knows either way); I think it was simply a choice of neutral moral value. Your talk of asking God for forgiveness is simply crazy. God has nothing to forgive Bristol for, she acted (with mutual consent) on a normal, healthy human impulse, and wound up pregnant. Forgiveness? What's wrong with you?

#88: homophobic innuendo! Nice! Anderson Cooper totally is gay, and that's worth pointing out! Be sure to point out how straight Brit Hume is when he interviews Sarah Palin, for the sake of consistency.

#90: choosing life is fine, LaMedusa, so long as you don't think that you can thereby impose your choice onto every other sentient woman. It's a choice, and it's likely to remain that way. Certainly a good thing.

#92: Um, Tilly's a conservative. Someone who thinks it's wrong to have sex before marriage is probably not a liberal, unless they're a 90 year old Irish Catholic friend of my grandmother's.

Penny, you're bein... (Below threshold)
Penny:
Penny, you're being dishonest: No where in that statement does it say Sarah Palin's daughter did something wrong. (Your words.) In the first place, though, you said Palin's daughter made a "bad choice" (comment #9), which shows plainly your view of pre-marital sex. Don't lie to me, I can read and my memory isn't that bad. I don't think Bristol made a bad choice, unless they weren't using contraceptives (and nobody knows either way); I think it was simply a choice of neutral moral value. Your talk of asking God for forgiveness is simply crazy. God has nothing to forgive Bristol for, she acted (with mutual consent) on a normal, healthy human impulse, and wound up pregnant. Forgiveness? What's wrong with you?

Whatever, you read too much into a few words that I wrote and aren't worth my time. Good bye!

I agree with Kim. The good ... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

I agree with Kim. The good news is that every time the Left has tried this demonization tactic in the last decade, it has backfired.

Here's to keeping Kos's batting average at .000!

@JLawson, I appreciate and ... (Below threshold)
Jake:

@JLawson, I appreciate and basically agree with what you've said. But have you read the rest of the comments here? Peachpit has been lambasted, called names, and all around been shunned. It's hard to believe your point is valid in the context of this forum when you actually read the discourse.

Sad.

This election has rocked me... (Below threshold)
jakimbro:

This election has rocked me and changed me to the core. One year ago- i was a yellow dog democrat, raving anti-bush liberal.

Well I;m still liberla and anti-bush- but thats all over, see. Bush is part of hsitory now. We have to make sure he and his ilk don;t happen again. Demagogues- like OBAMA. I was never enamored of him or hillary- and being a democrat in florida- when they PUNISHED me for daring to vote in the primaries-I becmae anti-DNC. I wasn't sure who i was going for- Ron Paul, maybe or nadr. but Hillry, Obama or Mcain.

But the Palin choice changed me overnight. i like her. i like her honesty, her values and her politics. I WANT her to win- and i - a democrat you would have hated a year ago- SUPPORT her wholeheartledly.

Ain't that something?

.... (Below threshold)
mantis:

.

And if she's legit, as y... (Below threshold)
mantis:

And if she's legit, as you claim ("and it certainly seems to be") give us her creds.

What parts of "if" and "seems" don't you understand?

Of course, you could look things up yourself, but since you are unwilling or inept, I'll oblige. A search of the Alaska state website reveals that there is indeed a person named Anne Kilkenny from Wasilla who has at least (I only glanced at a few) been a member of the PTA as the letter/post claims. (Can't post the link - xttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=jZM&q=%22anne+kilkenny%22+site%3Astate.ak.us&btnG=Search - change the x at the beginning to an h and cut and paste, or just do the search yourself)

Since small town politics are often non-partisan, so to speak, it's hard to tell party preference. There are records she worked for the campaign of Assemblywoman Michelle Church, who seems to be a Democrat. That's as far as I got.

The letter seems reasonable in its non-crackpotness, and it focuses mostly on Palin's policies and use of power, not silly scandals that have nothing to do with governance. I imagine a lot of the details will be supported or refuted in the coming days, as quite a few diggers are on the case (McCain even sent some in finally!).

I would have posted this last night, but my comments kept getting caught up in moderation. Apparently Google is on the list of "suspect links" for Wizbang. Strange.

Google is part of the liber... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Google is part of the liberal MSM, mantis, dontchaknow.

Kim, I'm with you. I will ... (Below threshold)
Tammy:

Kim, I'm with you. I will not back down in my support of Palin, and my husband seconds my opinion.

Dear toby,Go shove y... (Below threshold)
rileyb:

Dear toby,
Go shove your opinions down the drain. Sarah Palin is a Christian and
you have no right questioning that because she and her family have made some mistakes. Everyone knows good people that have tried to do
right all of their lives whose children have done things completely opposite to what they were taught at home. If you have never made a
mistake or failed to live up to your idea of "Christian values" then you may have a right to criticize her and her family, but if not, then sit down.
I for one have slipped more than once and as such feel that as the Bible
states, it is not up to me to judge. I won't back down in my support of her because her teenage daughter's hormones spoke louder than Mommy and Daddy's voices.
If this is all it takes to make you change your mind, then you really weren't for McCain in the first place and think that by badmouthing her you will be able to change the minds of the more timorous among us.
I hope that Obama/Biden are thankful for your vote.

rileyb: it is not up to ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

rileyb: it is not up to me to judge

Then please withhold all comments regarding Barack Obama's fitness for the Presidency.

Or, you know, start making sense. Of course it's up to us to judge others, morally and otherwise! Along with Penny, you are taking the wrong track: Bristol Palin did nothing wrong, and unless they misused or forgot to use contraceptive products, they did not make a mistake, and certainly not a moral one.

Why do conservatives hate sex so much? Sheesh. It's condescending and it's creepy. Nothing to ask God for forgiveness for: she's a human, and acted on a normal, healthy human impulse within the context of a monogamous relationship between two people above the age of consent. Stop impugning her actions and her character. You do impugn her character because you assume that a) she acknowledges that she "sinned" and b) she has asked for forgiveness. You can assume neither a) nor b), but a lack of either a) or b) has nothing to do with the rightness of Bristol's actions or character. Creeps.

Strange. You men are gripi... (Below threshold)
rileyb:

Strange. You men are griping about her daughter being pregnant and
inferring that it is because she is a working Mother. Lots and lots of
stay at home Moms are helping raise children that their daughters have had out of wedlock. Truth is...TEENAGE GIRLS GET PREGNANT! Fact of
life folks. It has happened all through history.
Why is it more scary for Palin to be "an heartbeat away from the presidency" than for BO to be the president? She has more experience than he has. If I was reading his resume he would be seen as a job hopper and would be undesirable when it came to hiring him. For every "job" he has had, he has always been working on or running for the next job instead of tending to the one he has.
She, on the other hand has run a town, run a state, and is Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard, which is so important to our Homeland Security that she may hold security clearances that we have never heard of. Besides that, she is not so
arrogant that she would hesitate to ask for help. BO on the other hand seems to feel he knows everything he needs to know about the
job. Yes, I know he even has his own seal, but it takes so much more to be qualified to be president.

Obama has more advisors tha... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Obama has more advisors than McCain had attendees at some of his "rallies", rileyb, so that criticism doesn't fly.

hyperbolistIf Obama"... (Below threshold)
rileyb:

hyperbolist
If Obama"s experience is such that he should be president then why haven't we been able to find it?
Where is his resume? As far as I can see, it is so thin, that I wouldn't
put him in the VP seat. That is my call. I was talking about judging
whether or not someone is living up to Christian values. Reread what
I wrote.
On a funny note: Biden's in a back room somewhere trying on dresses.

I think Hyper has a crush o... (Below threshold)
rich:

I think Hyper has a crush on Bristol.

Fuck you, rich, she's 17 ye... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Fuck you, rich, she's 17 years old. I'd like a) leftists to stop using her to attack her mother; and b) conservatives to stop talking about girls like their uteruses are public property until they get married.

riley, whether or not someone lives up to Christian values might be important to you, but there are more important universal values that hopefully other people will consider when examining what sort of people they are going to cast their votes for.

At least I can write a resp... (Below threshold)
rileyb:

At least I can write a response to someone that does not agree with me
without resorting to expletives. I base my votes on records not religion.
I was responding to someone that was not making sense.




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