The current meme going around is that Sarah Palin is "afraid" to go on the Sunday talk shows, that she's somehow intimidated by regular reporters.
I'm finding myself wondering what she's so nervous about. Sunday talk show hosts? They're pussycats.
Why, here, just today Barack Obama went on with George Stephanopoulos (whom, I recall, was a key player in Bill Clinton's campaign and administration -- them's some hard-hitting journalistic credentials right there!). Obama was crippled by the lack of his customary teleprompters, but ABC -- apparently in compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act provisions regarding politicians -- made sure he was just fine.
For example, when Obama started talking about his faith, he referred to "my Muslim faith." Fortunately, Mr. Stephanopolous quickly corrected Mr. Obama on a matter that is so essential and critical and vital to his very core.
In the same interview, Obama revealed some never-before facts about his early life. For example, he briefly considered joining the military. After graduating from high school, he looked at the Selective Service registration form he was presented upon graduation and actually thought about signing up.
That was a remarkable slip of paper, that registration form. Obama graduated in the summer of 1979. He would not have had to register for the draft until late July or early August of 1980, when he was between his first and second years at Occidental College in Los Angeles.
This time, Stephanopoulos chose not to question Obama on this odd little discrepancy.
I'm starting to notice a pattern. Barack Obama ALMOST enlisted in the miltary. Hillary Clinton ALMOST enlisted in the Marine Corps, and later ALMOST came under sniper fire in Bosnia (along with Chelsea and Sinbad). Tom Harkin ALMOST flew fighters over Vietnam, John Kerry ALMOST served a complete tour there, Al Gore ALMOST saw combat... but I digress.
So, what is Sarah Palin so afraid of? The Sunday morning hosts are pussycats. They'll toss her nice, softball questions, and cover for her should she stumble. It's a cakewalk.
Hmm... maybe that's it. Perhaps she sees those shows as wastes of time, and figures she has better things to do with her time.
Nah. What could a sitting governor/mother of five/vice-presidential nominee have to do that's more important from sitting down and chatting with Stephanopoulos (a key figure in Bill Clinton's electoral victories in 1992 and 1996)?
Good grief, where are her PRIORITIES?!?!?!




Comments (38)
So she's not going on the t... (Below threshold)1. Posted by ExSubNuke | September 7, 2008 2:29 PM | Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
So she's not going on the talkshows right now? So let's see, it couldn't possibly be because she's busy doing that whole "campaigning" thing.
Nope, it's cause she's a scared little girl.
Keep it up, MSM. She looks better and better to John and Jane Q. Public with every new smear you try.
1. Posted by ExSubNuke | September 7, 2008 2:29 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 14:29
2. Posted by retired military | September 7, 2008 2:31 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
"John Kerry ALMOST served a complete tour there"
Make that almost served a half a tour there and you would be closer to the truth.
I fully expect (though it will never be proven) that Obama will get copies of the debate questions ahead of time to help with his "cant talk without a teleprompter" disability.
2. Posted by retired military | September 7, 2008 2:31 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 14:31
3. Posted by Tim | September 7, 2008 2:44 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Actually, Mrs Palin may be interviewed by Charles Gibson:
http://thepage.time.com/2008/09/07/abc-snags-palin-interview/
Of course, it's in Time, so it may not be true.
3. Posted by Tim | September 7, 2008 2:44 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 14:44
4. Posted by Drago | September 7, 2008 2:48 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
retired military: "Make that almost served a half a tour there and you would be closer to the truth."
Uh, make that "served 1/3 of a tour" and you'd be even more correct.
4. Posted by Drago | September 7, 2008 2:48 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 14:48
5. Posted by Drago | September 7, 2008 2:56 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Great post Jay.
It's very clear that there is a race on amongst the Democrat/MSM to force the McCain/Palin ticket off their stride for this very short final campaign period.
After this last week (if not after the previous 30 years), why would any Republican allow any Democrat/MSM rep to dictate our schedule?
5. Posted by Drago | September 7, 2008 2:56 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 14:56
6. Posted by Geoffrey Britain | September 7, 2008 3:10 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
"why would any Republican allow any Democrat/MSM rep to dictate our schedule?"
They shouldn't. Wait for the leftist media to embarrass itself to the point where the public's recognition of their bias will force them to make a semblance of objectivity. Wait for the McCain campaign's & right-blogosphere rebuttal's to the left's made-up attacks against Palin to become firmly established in the public's mind.
Chris Wallace on Fox Sunday was REALLY pressing for Palin to start granting interviews and quite argumentative as well. Since no liberal is going to believe that Fox is fair & balanced what's the point of taking an adversarial approach?
It might be best to wait till just before the debate, then do an interview on Fox, viewership will be high and when she does well in the debate it will create a larger rise in the polls.
THEN do a few interviews with ABC and CNN. They're biased toward Hillary and will not be as adversarial as NBC or MSNBC. Plus her victory in the debate (she is going to win) will place the liberal media interviewers at a disadvantage.
6. Posted by Geoffrey Britain | September 7, 2008 3:10 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 15:10
7. Posted by Drago | September 7, 2008 3:12 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Besides, if the McCain/Palin ticket is going to campaign in all 58 states (per Obama), then they really don't have alot of extra time.
BTW, the ever helpful, completely non-partisan, thoroughly objective lifelong Dem and former Clinton campaign aide and Clinton Presidential advisor George Stephanopolous very "helpfully" assisted B. Hussein Obama today on the "This Week" when B. Hussein Obama stated that "McCain had not discussed my (Obama's) Muslim Faith."
Good old George was johnny-on-the-spot when it was clear that the super-brilliant Obama did not catch this error. George "helpfully" offered "you mean your Christian faith".
The look in Obama's eyes was priceless. It was a "oh yeah, right, I'm a Christian alright, by golly, you betcha!"
I can't imagine why Sarah Palin is simply dying to speak directly to such a wonderfully helpful, softball tossing, lifelong Dem activist like Stephy.
7. Posted by Drago | September 7, 2008 3:12 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 15:12
8. Posted by melvintoast | September 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
rope-a-dope. See Rumble in the Jungle October 30, 1974.
Palin has BEEN on talk shows already. Just not as a VP candidate. By creating a media flap about her being afraid, she's setting them up for a "surprise" at how sharp she is.
Silly rabbit! Trix are for kids!
8. Posted by melvintoast | September 7, 2008 3:15 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 15:15
9. Posted by HughS | September 7, 2008 3:26 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Ignore all of the Sunday shows...they are begging for attention and don't deserve it, particularly NBC/MSNBC and CNN.
Palin's time is better spent speaking directly to voters on the campaign trail. She handed the MSM their rears last week; let them get used to it for a while.
9. Posted by HughS | September 7, 2008 3:26 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 15:26
10. Posted by Geoffrey Britain | September 7, 2008 3:27 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
"B. Hussein Obama stated that "McCain had not discussed my (Obama's) Muslim Faith."
Good old George was johnny-on-the-spot when it was clear that the super-brilliant Obama did not catch this error. George "helpfully" offered "you mean your Christian faith".
The look in Obama's eyes was priceless. It was a "oh yeah, right, I'm a Christian alright, by golly, you betcha!"
A Freudian slip? Priceless.
Maybe a 527 could look up ALL of Obama's gaffes and put them together, it might make for an 'interesting' ad...
10. Posted by Geoffrey Britain | September 7, 2008 3:27 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 15:27
11. Posted by MF | September 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Kudos Jay!
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Ms Palin is getting in person time with the voters
and
as important she most likely is preparing for the upcoming debates
and
addressing the home stretch of campaigning.
11. Posted by MF | September 7, 2008 3:31 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 15:31
12. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | September 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
IF she decides to start hitting the lefty talkshow circuit, there should be a written agreement that there's no funny business with editing out anything... I would LOVE for Palin to eviscerate Olberdouche without him being able to omit the juicy parts. Especially when he cries.
12. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | September 7, 2008 3:31 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 15:31
13. Posted by PC14 | September 7, 2008 3:41 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Obama announced about 600 days ago that he's running for POTUS. And just the other day was the first time that he subjected himself to a real, adversarial-type interview. He spoke to O'Reilly.
Since the media is in the tank for Obama, one can only assume the other interviews were softball events.
So, it's taken O over 1 1/2 years to face a seriously tough interview and the press is already whining about Palin...cause it's been over a week already.
While they're waiting for her, they could always take some time and have a look at those Annenberg papers that only Stanley Kurtz seems interested in.
13. Posted by PC14 | September 7, 2008 3:41 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 15:41
14. Posted by Adrian Browne | September 7, 2008 4:15 PM | Score: 0 (6 votes cast)
McCain campaign manager Rick Davis"
"When we think it's time and when she feels comfortable doing it," Davis said . . ."
Not granting interviews is their prerogative. There's nothing that says Palin has to do any interviews or appearances before the election. She can give speeches or put out videos or perform an interpretative dance or do nothing. It's McCain and his campaign's choice.
14. Posted by Adrian Browne | September 7, 2008 4:15 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 16:15
15. Posted by Porkopolis | September 7, 2008 4:15 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Governor Palin should bypass the MSM's one-on-one interviewers and go straight to C-SPAN's Brian Lamb. He's the most objective interviewer around.
Take a look at any of his Q&A interviews as proof.
15. Posted by Porkopolis | September 7, 2008 4:15 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 16:15
16. Posted by Stan25 | September 7, 2008 4:28 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Who needs a 527 group when Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity Mark Levin Michael Reagan and the rest of the radio hosts use that for a main sound bite tomorrow.
16. Posted by Stan25 | September 7, 2008 4:28 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 16:28
17. Posted by Scrapiron | September 7, 2008 4:29 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Sarah Palin has much more important things to do that appear on the Lame Stream Media dog and pony shows. Painting her toenails, cleaning her glasses or giving one of her children a 'spit' shine is much more important in anyone's real world.
Hussein O didn't admit he's a follower of Islam, he would have but a democrat 'news' host stopped him. The elitest snob has to have someone hold his hand or god forbid the American people will catch him in another of his hundreds of lies.
17. Posted by Scrapiron | September 7, 2008 4:29 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 16:29
18. Posted by Stephen Macklin | September 7, 2008 4:46 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Obama has run out of lies and tall tales and has resorted to steeling Hillary's.
18. Posted by Stephen Macklin | September 7, 2008 4:46 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 16:46
19. Posted by sjhnstn | September 7, 2008 4:49 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Sarah = MOM (the adult here)
MSM = angry teenager
When they stop stomping around and throwing things, she will have a reasonable conversation with them. Classic and time tested behavior modification. Ignore the behavior you don't like (smears on her family), and reward those behaviors you want to encourage (reasoned and responsible conversation.) McCain has already noted that the campaign will be working on their own timeline, not that of the MSM.
Good.
19. Posted by sjhnstn | September 7, 2008 4:49 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 16:49
20. Posted by marc | September 7, 2008 5:02 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
How far in the tank is the U.S. MSM?
I've taken to saying they are so far in the tank they need a snorkel to breath properly.
However, the best proof, or should I say support for that theory comes by way of the U.K.'s Guardian fish wrap whose editorial board has been over-the-top anti-Bush/anti-America for as long as I can recall.
A small sample:
20. Posted by marc | September 7, 2008 5:02 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 17:02
21. Posted by Carlos Echevarria | September 7, 2008 5:50 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Sarah Palin has more cojones than Scheiffer, Brokaw, Matthews, Olbermann, Blizter, Carville, Begala, Gibbs, Axelrod, Barry, Brown, etc. put together!!!
"And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.
"But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion - I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this great country."
That's our Sarah, our Thatcher, our next Vice President!!!
21. Posted by Carlos Echevarria | September 7, 2008 5:50 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 17:50
22. Posted by marc | September 7, 2008 6:26 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Let me rephrase the question posed:
Q. "What is ObamaMessiah NOT afraid of?"
A. Of being labeled a hypocrite after saying this type of behavior was unacceptable, yet he now hosts it at his own webpage.
Remind me again who was pulling what race card?
22. Posted by marc | September 7, 2008 6:26 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 18:26
23. Posted by MF | September 7, 2008 6:56 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
#3 I also saw something that Ms. Palin may be interviewed.
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/palin-agrees-to-interview-with-abc/163821?icid=100214839x1209080729x1200524845
23. Posted by MF | September 7, 2008 6:56 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 18:56
24. Posted by Peggy McGilligan | September 7, 2008 7:03 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Good job Jay; that Sarah Palin is somehow "afraid" or intimidated by regular reporters is just plain malarkey. I do wonder that Sarah's detractors go after women, children, and the unborn. Common sense dictates that this isn't ALMOST an untenable position, it's rather complete and utter nonsense. I'd feel better about Global Warming too, had the only evidence to support it not come from scurrilous politicians who make or stand to make hundreds of millions of dollars. Palin is spot-on. She's a winner through and through. Here's a clip from Jan & Dean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX7X4FovYRA&NR=1 How 'bout them Dems; restorative justice: http://theseedsof9-11.com
24. Posted by Peggy McGilligan | September 7, 2008 7:03 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 19:03
25. Posted by marc | September 7, 2008 7:22 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
MF - Note how they couch the story you link to, "Under pressure for being shielded for questioning..."
Whatever, it couldn't possibly be due to hitting the campaign trail for a few days. It just COULDN'T be!!!
25. Posted by marc | September 7, 2008 7:22 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 19:22
26. Posted by Just John | September 7, 2008 8:05 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
"That was a remarkable slip of paper, that registration form. Obama graduated in the summer of 1979. He would not have had to register for the draft until late July or early August of 1980, when he was between his first and second years at Occidental College in Los Angeles."
"Under current law, all male U.S. citizens are required to register with Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday."
Obama had until 9/4/1979 to register.
What were you thinking?
26. Posted by Just John | September 7, 2008 8:05 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 20:05
27. Posted by Jay Tea | September 7, 2008 8:20 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Well, Just John, I was thinking that the Selective Service registration was abolished in 1973, and didn't start back up until June of 1980 -- so there was no draft registration for Obama to weigh until he was 19 and had finished his first year of college.
As Jammie Wearing Fool pointed out quite clearly.
I don't post those links just because I like the looks of blue, underlined words, John.
J.
27. Posted by Jay Tea | September 7, 2008 8:20 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 20:20
28. Posted by JFO | September 7, 2008 9:08 PM | Score: -3 (3 votes cast)
Jay, I don't think Palin sees those shows as a waste of time. I doubt very much that she makes those kinds of decisions of her own, at least at this point in time. McCain's campaign manager said she won't give any interviews till she's "comfortable" giving one. What does that mean?
I actually think there's a lot to admire about her. Part of what impressed me was her toughness. So I think it's pretty weak to say we have to wait till she's "comfortable." Theoretically she could have her hand on the nuclear trigger some time in the next 4 years.
I think the obvious reason is that the campaign is afraid she'll say something embarrassing or appear to be less knowledgeable than she should be.
Blaming the "leftist" or "liberal" media doesn't get it either. Surely she could go on Fox and be fed lollipop and softball leading questions by the likes of Sean Hannity. She's not going to attacked by anyone on Fox News. The easiest interview would be with those 3 lightweights on the morning show on Fox.
I think it's sad that the potential leader of the free world some day has to be hidden from the public. They deserve to hear her and judge based on questions she's asked rather than just listening to a canned speech. I hope they change this and get her out there for everyone to see and hear.
28. Posted by JFO | September 7, 2008 9:08 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 21:08
29. Posted by JFO | September 7, 2008 9:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I just saw that she's going to give an interview to ABC. That's a good start - glad to hear that.
29. Posted by JFO | September 7, 2008 9:22 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 21:22
30. Posted by daniel rotter | September 7, 2008 9:37 PM | Score: -3 (3 votes cast)
"...Stephanopolous quicky corrected Mr. Obama..."
Stephanopolous didn't "correct" Obama since the latter didn't misspeak. In context, it is clear that if Obama was writing down what he was saying to Stephanopolous, the words "Muslim faith" would be surrounded by quotations. Obama made the mistake here, since he was speaking and not writing, of not adding "supposed" before the words "Muslim faith".
30. Posted by daniel rotter | September 7, 2008 9:37 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 21:37
31. Posted by bluecollarbytes | September 7, 2008 9:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Could be a game of 'lowered expectations'. The press continues to play into it because they're so eager to reveal Sarah Palin as an unworthy candidate. If Sarah was a younger true-blue conservative man with an identical record we wouldn't be witnessing the current frenzied pop-media's campaign against him. Of course a man wouldn't have electrified the contest and nation either like Sarah has.
31. Posted by bluecollarbytes | September 7, 2008 9:45 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 21:45
32. Posted by Les Nessman | September 7, 2008 9:49 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
'hidden from the public'
Heh. Now that's funny. She's been the candidate for what, a week and a half? And lefties are whining that she hasn't given interviews yet?
I think PC14 had it about right:
Obama announced about 600 days ago that he's running for POTUS. And just the other day was the first time that he subjected himself to a real, adversarial-type interview.
Come back in about 600 days whiners, then she'll give you an interview. It'll be called a 'press conference from the VP's office'. /sarc
Chill out, before the election she'll give interviews. (Of course, then the whine will be 'but she was inteviewed by FOX, that doesn't count!!!') This woman has really got under the Dems skin. The pants-shitting hysteria that she evokes from the Lefties/MSM is hilarious, yet sad.
32. Posted by Les Nessman | September 7, 2008 9:49 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 21:49
33. Posted by Oyster | September 7, 2008 10:28 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
marc - that Guardian clip was almost poetic.
"I doubt very much that she makes those kinds of decisions of her own, at least at this point in time. McCain's campaign manager said she won't give any interviews till she's "comfortable" giving one. What does that mean?"
Not to be snotty, but...I guess that means she's making "those kinds of decisions" on her own.
33. Posted by Oyster | September 7, 2008 10:28 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 22:28
34. Posted by daniel rotter | September 7, 2008 11:15 PM | Score: -4 (6 votes cast)
"She's been the candidate for what, a week and a half? And lefties are whining that she hasn't given interviews yet?"
Both Bentsen and Quayle gave interviews one day after it was announced they were the VP picks for Dukakis and Bush, respectively. Ferraro gave hers four days after the announcement that she would be Mondale's running mate.
But again, why should Governor Palin have to do interviews at all? It's not like she is running for Vice President of the United States or anything?
34. Posted by daniel rotter | September 7, 2008 11:15 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2008 23:15
35. Posted by Brian | September 8, 2008 2:14 AM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
"B. Hussein Obama stated that "McCain had not discussed my (Obama's) Muslim Faith."
Good old George was johnny-on-the-spot when it was clear that the super-brilliant Obama did not catch this error. George "helpfully" offered "you mean your Christian faith".
The look in Obama's eyes was priceless. It was a "oh yeah, right, I'm a Christian alright, by golly, you betcha!"
A Freudian slip? Priceless.
This was not an error, nor a slip. That look in his eye was your imagination. Obama said, "McCain has not talked about my Mulsim faith". Stephanopolous misunderstood him, and Obama then clarified, "What I'm talking about is, he hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim."
In other words, he's saying that McCain has not stooped as low as the fearmongers who regularly do such things as refer to Obama as "B. Hussein".
35. Posted by Brian | September 8, 2008 2:14 AM |
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Posted on September 8, 2008 02:14
36. Posted by JFO | September 8, 2008 7:20 AM | Score: -2 (2 votes cast)
Oyster
I would say "comfortable" is code for can hold her own on issues she has had no experience with.
36. Posted by JFO | September 8, 2008 7:20 AM |
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Posted on September 8, 2008 07:20
37. Posted by Wow. | September 8, 2008 9:07 AM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
Very few here actually watched the entire interview apparently, where George S. pointed out inconsistencies with his comments and actual policies. (Say, the whole tax break for 95% of Americans is actually only 81%, how his 97% voting record doesn't exactly support his claims of reaching across the aisle.)
Here's another question: Why is it outrageous that Obama didn't go on FoxNews for so long and perfectly OK that Palin isn't talking to... erm, *anyone*? Oh yeah, that's right. Because you like Palin.
37. Posted by Wow. | September 8, 2008 9:07 AM |
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Posted on September 8, 2008 09:07
38. Posted by TreeHuggin Liberal Commie | September 11, 2008 6:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lipstick on a pig, my Muslim faith, won't wear a flag pin, Barack "Hussein" Obama, Obama/Osama, terrorist fist jab, etc. I realize this is all so entertaining, but will the public discussion ever rise to a respectable level? Infantile.
38. Posted by TreeHuggin Liberal Commie | September 11, 2008 6:16 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2008 18:16