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The Attack Machine is Just Getting Started

Sarah Palin is such an inexperienced lightweight that Barack Obama and all his disciples are working overtime to defeat her. And she isn't even the presidential candidate. Following Palin's incredible speech at the Republican National Convention, polls soared with approval for Palin which put Democrats into full out panic mode. Dems stepped up the rumor-mil and the attack machine even more. Kevin wrote earlier about how many completely false rumors are circulating about Palin and becoming accepted as fact, and provided a fact check link for those trying to debunk them. Kim and others here have written about additional Palin smears, including the supposed gaffe of Palin this week on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. The attack machine is far from winding down -- it is just getting started.

Melanie Morgan has information about the newest attack on Palin, coming from VoteVets.org the leftwing partisan anti-war group.

A left-wing organization that I have tangled with publicly in the past has identified its newest target: Track Palin.

That's right, a 19-year old private who happens to be the son of Republican Governor Sarah Palin is now being used as a pawn in their quest to gain power and undermine the war in Iraq.

This effort is being led by Jon Soltz, who runs a 501c3, called VoteVets.org. Soltz is demanding that the Department of Defense investigate a so-called leak of Track Palin's deployment details to Iraq.

VoteVets.org has circulated a petition demanding to know who gave these details to the media.

"When someone chooses to bolster that story by leaking classified details to the media, it allows the enemy to gain valuable information that allows them to strike at a symbolic target of importance - and all the troops around that target. It's dangerous, it's illegal, and it needs to be investigated" says Soltz."Whoever is divulging this information to the media should be prosecuted and punished, if found guilty. Whether you're a Democrat, Republican, Independent, or of another party, we should all agree that we cannot accept anyone feeding classified details to the press. Join us in demanding the Pentagon investigate."

While this sounds patriotic, and indeed commendable, I can assure you that VoteVets.org and Jon Soltz are only out to score political points against the Palin family and Republicans in general....The co-founder of VoteVets, Jon Soltz, identified the group as a "pro-military" organization, saying, "We don't support anybody who doesn't support the military."

And who does Jon Soltz point to as a stellar pro-military leader?

...Nancy Pelosi.

Melanie's post contains much more information about VoteVets.org, including their efforts focusing on Iran. Also be sure to check out Move America Forward's new Freedom PAC to support candidates who support U.S. troops and the War on Terror.


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Comments (47)

So now the Dems are attacki... (Below threshold)
Edward Sisson Author Profile Page:

So now the Dems are attacking the military discipline of a young man of Native American ancestry -- (1/16 Yupik Eskimo, via his father) -- for the political purpose of destroying his mother, after having attacked the morality of a young woman of the same Native American ancestry, also for the political purpose of destroying her mother. And bullies like that expect voters to put their candidate (and thus them) into power? Forget it.

I challenge anyone, particu... (Below threshold)
JFO:

I challenge anyone, particularly Lorie, and point out anywhere in it where there is evidence that Vote Vets: "....are only out to score political points against the Palin family and Republicans in general...."

http://ga3.org/campaign/track/


I'd think someone like Lorie and those of you who support our troops would be sending the letter ASAP.

Lorie why are you not supporting our troops on this?

Very nice try JFO but the l... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Very nice try JFO but the lefty vile spewing sites are still not learning. YOU ARE ONLY HELPING ELECT MCCAIN AND PALIN. So, my advice to you...keep it up. THanks. ww

JFO, thanks for playing. T... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

JFO, thanks for playing. There are some nice parting gifts for you in the front lobby.

The desperation of the left is palpable.

When someone choos... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
When someone chooses to bolster that story by leaking classified details to the media, . . .it's illegal

In my military service I never had a deployment order marked even confidential, not even for overseas deployment. Since when has the theater of deployment of new recruits been considered classified information? Maybe some of the other Vets can chime in on this.

Now that his mother is a candidate for VP it's unlikely Track will be sent overseas anyway. It's another example of left wing nut cases making angry accusations based on nothing but hot air.

Willie and SonDid ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Willie and Son

Did either of you bother to read the letter? If you didn't you have no point to make. If you did, have you downloaded, signed it and sent it off as requested? If not, why not?

I haven't derived this much... (Below threshold)
Clay:

I haven't derived this much entertainment from an election cycle in my entire life. The left is scurrying, which only continues to buoy McCain/Palin. The Palin pick proves to provide a windfall every day.

The voice inside Obama keeps saying, "You had to be a wimp and pick Biden. Stupid, stupid, stupid..."

Here is an easy way to keep... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Here is an easy way to keep the smears separate from the truth:

If it reflects poorly on Palin then it's a smear and if it glorifies Palin then it's the truth.

If it reflects poorly on... (Below threshold)
Clay:

If it reflects poorly on Palin then it's a smear and if it glorifies Palin then it's the truth.

It sucks, doesn't it? Well, unless you subsitute Obama for Palin, that is. Then you're okay with it, huh?

And just where was votevets... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

And just where was votevets when the NYT was leaking 'classified information' all over their front page?

Never mind.................

Cheez, the headline on this... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Cheez, the headline on this post is "The Attack Machine Is Just Getting Started" and I am criticized for commenting on it. Can you say "deperations"? ww

me: "If it reflects poorly... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

me: "If it reflects poorly on Palin then it's a smear and if it glorifies Palin then it's the truth."

you: "It sucks, doesn't it? Well, unless you subsitute Obama for Palin, that is. Then you're okay with it, huh?"

me: Yep. I'm a hypocrite.

Wille:That's corre... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Wille:

That's correct it was the headline. So I take it then that you only comment on "headlines" and not the substance of the author's piece? Just trying to understand where you're coming from.

I repeat my challenge to actually read the alleged nefarious letter. And after reading it commenting on it and then explaining why or why you wouldn't want to send it yourself. Or how the letter is, per the author, an "attack" on Palin and "republicans." Can you just do that?

me: Yep. I'm a hypocrite... (Below threshold)
Clay:

me: Yep. I'm a hypocrite.

Confession is so good for the soul, isn't it?

me: "Yep. I'm a hypocrite.... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

me: "Yep. I'm a hypocrite."

you: "Confession is so good for the soul, isn't it?"

me: Yes it is.

One suggestion is to read t... (Below threshold)
Infantry:

One suggestion is to read the full letter and make an informed decision. You might learn:

-VoteVets never attacked Track Palin. The group only seeks to find out who is potentially putting service members in greater harm by leaking details about troop movements, and if there is a political motivation behind these leaks.

Yes, it was ignorant for Sarah Palin to tell the world that her son is deploying on Sept. 11, though I'm sure it never crossed the minds of the Republicans that mentioning Sept. 11 could be used for political gain.

As an Iraq veteran, I can assure you that one of the most important rules for deploying service personnel is to not leak details of any troop movements or operations to anyone that isn't involved. The phrase "loose lips sink ships" is an old term based on the idea that sharing this type of information puts it into the hands the enemy and can be used in attacks on service personnel.

Yet somehow the world knows when and where Track Palin's entire brigade will be deploying, and what his role will be there. This is troubling because Track Palin potentially becoming son of the Vice President during his tour makes him an especially high profile target to the enemy, which may also put soldiers near him at greater risk. This is why the British pulled prince Harry out of Afghanistan when the press learned of his location.

Again, VoteVets never attacked Track Palin or even mentioned Native American ancestry. They only seek to have the Pentagon find out where these leaks are coming from and if they come out of political motive.

Information is a powerful thing. Use it.

InfantryThanks for... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Infantry

Thanks for your reasoned comment. A few folks here, certainly not all, would rather read a headline and use that as a reflexive reason to criticize. I've yet to read anything from those I challenged to ACTUALLY READ the letter and, more importantly, to say they support it.

I look for Obama-smears any... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

I look for Obama-smears anywhere and everywhere (and when I can't find them I make them up) so that I can play the victim-card but then again, I'm a hypocrite.

Too bad Soltz wasn't nearly... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Too bad Soltz wasn't nearly as incensed when Kerry/Durban/Obama/Murtha disparaged fellow GIs.

Lies are powerful things.

JFO, I certainly do not hav... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

JFO, I certainly do not have to nor will I explain, justify or submit anything to you because you request it. You have been civil lately, but I am very skeptical of that. A snake is a snake is a snake. ww

Willie, it's a letter. You ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Willie, it's a letter. You can't be bothered to read it? Not in the least bit interested in what it has to say? Comfortable with the assumption that whatever it is, it must be evil, because JFO recommended it to you?

Are you worried that exercising a smidgen of intellectual curiosity will make you look like a sissy?

but then again, I'm a hy... (Below threshold)
Clay:

but then again, I'm a hypocrite.

Well...okay. But, we heard you the first time.

Who said I didn't read it H... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Who said I didn't read it Hyper? Are you here? ww

Infantry,Were your... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Infantry,

Were your deployment orders marked confidential or secret? In my military service none of my deployment orders were so marked even when I deployed overseas. We see news broadcasts about entire units going to specific locations in Iraq or Afghanistan. It's even been reported that Biden has a son in Iraq.

That raises the question about Track's deployment orders. Unless they were marked confidential or secret, the government doesn't regard that information important enough to classify. That status changed once Palin accepted the nomination as VP, but the deployment of Track to Iraq was reported before she did so. Thus, it's unlikely any law was broken.

Most likely Track won't go to Iraq before the election. Should McCain win, Track won't likely be deployed overseas at all. The secret service can't protect him overseas and he could become the son of the President at any time.

Well, then you read it and ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Well, then you read it and said nothing about why you agree/disagree with its import. Either way...

Besides, saying your son is... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Besides, saying your son is being deployed to Iraq is not giving secrets away. Gosh! Soldiers say it all the time and on TV. You lefties are reaching. Iraq is huge. Plus, there have been so many sensitive leaks in the past years that you lefties applauded because it would damage Bush. NOW you are concerned? Pitiful to say the least. ww

I read the letter and despi... (Below threshold)

I read the letter and despite some impressive military jargon, I don't know what they're referring to. If they mean that for Sarah Palin to announce at the convention that her son is deploying to Iraq on Sept. 11th, that's not a violation of any security that I am aware of; those deploy dates are open knowledge and not "classified" or "confidential."

So if that's what they're referring to, they're blowing smoke. There's been no security breach, and being military vets, they should know this. Which raises the possibility that this just aanother left-wing attempt to spread FUD.

But if they're actually talking about some other incident where there was an actual security breach, they should be more clear about what it is.

JFO - "I challenge anyo... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO - "I challenge anyone, particularly Lorie, and point out anywhere in it where there is evidence that Vote Vets: "....are only out to score political points against the Palin family and Republicans in general...."

It's not what was said or printed JFO, it's what was left out.

They score points by that admission by subtraction, hence it's hardly a secret Palin herself announced publicly during her acceptance speech her son was headed to Iraq.

When they say in referring to this alleged "leak" of info It's dangerous, it's illegal, and it needs to be investigated" we certainly know, at least reasonable people know exactly who they are aiming at.

Don't we JFO. Well, don't we?

For Mac Lorry and for that matter infantry...

After 20 plus in the military let me suggest this wasn't any "leak," when was her speech in relation to Track's deployment date?

Certainly less than a month, much less in fact.

In all my deployments they were in fact super-duper secret until...

The final month or so out of respect for the families involved. That gave them final confirmation to what they knew generally for many months. (i.e. they knew a 1-2 month time frame).

At that late date, one month prior, they were told the precise time up to and including flight time/ship departure time.

Having said that, VoteVets has a history only matched by some of the more partisan orgs around like Moveon, media maters and similar for putting out utter crapola and lies, so anything and everything should be suspect.

I am not sure I can see whe... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

I am not sure I can see where this looks like an attack on Palin. They also have a Petition to Demand Hearings on Substandard Helmet Procurement.

I signed that one, as well.

marcSo it's not wh... (Below threshold)
JFO:

marc

So it's not what's written that counts. It's what's not written. What should have been written that wasn't written. They "score points", these vets, most of whom are Iraq vets by not writing something?

What about this from the lettr

"..... divulging details regarding the deployment and future movements of Track Palin, the son of Republican Vice Presidential candidate, Governor Sarah Palin."


How does that fit with your argument that his mother said he was going to Iraq? Did she divulge "details" regarding the deployment? Of course not.

Did she violate the regulations and policies specifically referred to in the letter? Of course not.

I gather from your comment that any vet who is a democrat has only one agenda - to smear Republicans. Is that true? I have to believe it is when you ignore key language from the letter which demonstrates that your argument that Palin herself mentioned the deployment is a smokescreen.

JFOHow do... (Below threshold)
Chip:

JFO

How does that fit with your argument that his mother said he was going to Iraq? Did she divulge "details" regarding the deployment? Of course not.

Did she violate the regulations and policies specifically referred to in the letter? Of course not.

If you're saying she didn't divulge details regarding the deployment nor did she violate regulations or policies, then why the letter at all?

Chip<br /... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Chip


Because someone else did. if you read the letter it's clear what they're referring to.

JFO - "I gather from yo... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO - "I gather from your comment that any vet who is a democrat has only one agenda - to smear Republicans. Is that true? I have to believe it is when you ignore key language from the letter which demonstrates that your argument that Palin herself mentioned the deployment is a smokescreen."

"I gather" you think I could care about this org, sorry I don't and no I didn't read the letter for that very reason. Their track history instructs they have questionable methods and partisan thought processes that extends far beyond common sense and borders on if not breeches moonbat territory.

You can take your "any vet who is a democrat" assumption and jam it up against your next rectal thermometer reading.

The simple fact is her "disclosure" isn't and for anyone regardless of Party affiliation that attempts to make it seem so is out of line and or completely devoid of and knowledge military affairs.

To say nothing of those that defended the NYT and WaPo to the ends of the earth for their right to do much the same and far worse in many cases.

marcThis is someth... (Below threshold)
JFO:

marc

This is something that I've had to learn, usually the hard way. I'm a recovering alcoholic and sometimes hard-headed and egotistical. I try to work on that and it's a daily struggle. But I would just leave you with these words of wisdom from Herbet Spencer which are written in a very important book::

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

I've been working hard on being civil - I don't like you, you don't like me. Comment away about my comments and we'll just leave it at that.

Yow. Quitting booze is a ro... (Below threshold)

Yow. Quitting booze is a rough road. Not to get all mushy or what have you, but JFO, my best wishes to you in your struggle to stay clean and I hope you can put it behind you.

Thanks for your good wished... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Thanks for your good wished Oregon. One day at a time its been 20 years.

Great attitude, marc. Next ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Great attitude, marc. Next time someone says "Don't eat that, it's poisonous," be sure to ask them if they've ever contributed to a Democrat's political campaign, and if they have, sink your teeth into it.

I went back and read the Vo... (Below threshold)

I went back and read the Votevets' letter again and I still don't know what they're talking about. I have no idea what media report concerning Track Palin's deployment constitutes a security breach. I do know that, contra Keith Olbermann's bloviating, his mother's convention speech wasn't it.

So would one of you people who have read the letter and know what they're talking about please enlighten the rest of us?

JFO:Thanks for you... (Below threshold)
maggie:

JFO:

Thanks for your honesty, and your humility.
Keep up the good work.

JFO - "that principle i... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO - "that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

And as I indicated in some cases investigation isn't required.

BUT what you quote is in fact appropriate to this smear. Check the date on this release of deployments and bounce it against Tracks.

Furthermore, even the left leaning Anderson Cooper is getting a bit fed up with this crap and has debunked the Palin "security breech" as well.

Don't bother apologizing, it would mean about as much as 99% of what you post. which is to say, nothing.

hyper - "Great attitude... (Below threshold)
marc:

hyper - "Great attitude, marc. Next time someone says "Don't eat that, it's poisonous," be sure to ask them if they've ever contributed to a Democrat's political campaign, and if they have, sink your teeth into it."

Thanks, that attitude comes from knowing full well the org written about is so full of BS to be near inconsequential. It's far from stepping out on a limb to state as I did, and without reading their BS letter, it was just that BS.

It also helps to have just a bit of military knowledge, as my 20 plus years atests to, that gives insight into when, what, and how things are classified and declassified. Obviously the nutjobs, including their mentor/associate "gen" Clarke, know that as well but they chose to ignore it and launch another false charge.

See above.

One of the rumors th... (Below threshold)
Larry:


One of the rumors that circulated during the first couple of days and is STIL circulating is a supposed failure of McCain to completely vet Sarah Palin. One "Proof" of that was a horde of lawyers descending on Anchorage and Wasilla.

As it turns out, that horde was from the Obama camp.

It just keeps gettin better.

JFO.... hyper where are you... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO.... hyper where are you?

Got nothing much to say now? Nitwits both of ya.

Thanks maggie.H</p... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Thanks maggie.

H

I thought so.. nada from JF... (Below threshold)
marc:

I thought so.. nada from JFO, you were yammering loud and long a while ago.

What happened?

Not a thing happened marc, ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Not a thing happened marc, apparently you don't read well.

JFO - "Not a thing happ... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO - "Not a thing happened marc, apparently you don't read well."

That may, or may not be true, but there is little doubt as to my ability to decipher what occured with this meme you and hyper were pushing.

It like most of the smears on Palin are nothing but dust in the wind.

I also read well enough to note you you didn't offer any counter argument, and had zero retort other than your usual BS.




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