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Remember This? "We can disagree without being disagreeable."

Those are Barack Obama's words in is concession speech in New Hampshire. Merriam-Webster defines disagreeable as:

Main Entry: dis·agree·able
1 : causing discomfort : unpleasant, offensive (a disagreeable odor)
2 : marked by ill temper : peevish (a disagreeable person)

Obama's words seemed pretty clear, or at least they did until Camp Obama unveiled their latest desperate attempt to deal with the Palin phenomenon. Just within the last 48 hours we've been treated to...

Joe Biden - "There's no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick,"

Obama made it even more personal later in the day, "You can put lipstick on a pig," he said. "It's still a pig."

That follows a day after Obama's "Mother, governor, moose shooter." jab.

That new style "disagree without being disagreeable" politics looks remarkably like the old-style politics Obama ran so hard against in the primaries. Abandoning the tactics that got you where you are (they're even considering sending an SOS to liberal 527 groups after telling them previously to 'pound sand') ought to work out real well for a candidate with as impressive a resume of political accomplishments as that Senator Obama posesses...


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Kevin i believe it was Russ... (Below threshold)
james:

Kevin i believe it was Russ Carnahan introducing biden, and not joe who made the first comment.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13315.html

Their mistakes are coming s... (Below threshold)
Baggi:

Their mistakes are coming so fast and furious right now it's pretty sad. You can sense the panic in Lee over a Wizbangblue as he starts the throw the word liar around like it's a penny and he's got a million of them.

I think the Democrats are in a tail spin right now and some are screaming their heads off as the see the ground getting closer and closer.

They should realize though that the election is still two months away. Plenty of time to right the plane and get back on course.

Don't go getting cocky Republicans. We've got a long way yet to election day, even with Slow Joe Biden making these horrible gaffes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRV5Y1JCGRI

Shame on the Obama campaign... (Below threshold)
rodney dill:

Shame on the Obama campaign (and Obama himself) for resorting to base name calling and sexism in his campaign. Clearly an attempt to provoke like treatment in return so the Obama campaign can claim racism. I think we'll see that the McCain campaign will be above resorting to racial euphemisms.

Obama needs to apologize to Palin and to all women.

Taking this incident by its... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

Taking this incident by itself, I would think that Obama is getting a raw deal on this one and I am not a supporter of his in any way shape or form. Of course, his words were badly chosen - which, given the near Messiah-like adoration he gets for his oratory skills, makes it quite ironic. However, I wouldn't normally call it a deliberate smear.

However, in the last few days, I have been flipping between Fox News and MSNBC. One segment (I think it was Hardball but can't swear to it) has a Dem operative and a Republican operative talking about the election and specifically about the Bridge to Nowhere.

The Dem operative repeatedly said "Palin is a porker". Suddenly, he stops and say "Did I just call Palin a porker?" and smiled rather oddly without saying anything else for moment.

He didn't react as if he was embarrassed about having mispoken and he certainly didn't apologize for it. From there on, he used the phrase "pork barreler".

I still would find it odd that someone who use a swine reference in regards to Palin as a personal insult and, given Obama's own history on the subject of earmarks, I would find it odd he would try to paint her as a earmark abuser. However, Obama's campaign's response to Palin has made little sense all along so who knows.

Oh please with the faux out... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Oh please with the faux outrage.

"As we say in Wyoming, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," quipped Vice President Dick Cheney in a stump speech yesterday, with reference to John Kerry's claims he would be a credible war president."

http://sisu.typepad.com/sisu/2004/11/you_can_put_all.html

JFORead thi... (Below threshold)
Larry:


JFO

Read this again:

"Dem operative repeatedly said "Palin is a porker". Suddenly, he stops and say "Did I just call Palin a porker?" and smiled rather oddly without saying anything else for moment."

Remember, women HATE references to weight unless it is about their ex-husband's new girlfriend. This applies even if a woman is slender.

This campaign isn't about the hearts and minds of the true believers, it is the undecided and can be swayed in a few key states.

"faux outrage"

Is an excellent description of the hysteria that is sweeping Lee's blue blog, dailykos and a host of other true believer sites.

LarryIdiom Definit... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Larry

Idiom Definition for 'Put lipstick on a pig'
Meaning:

If people put lipstick on a pig, they make superficial or cosmetic changes, hoping that it will make the product more attractive.

http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/put+lipstick+on+a+pig.html


Again, please with the faux outrage.

Oh please with the... (Below threshold)
rodney dill:
Oh please with the faux outrage.
No need for faux outrage, as there is plenty of the real thing
"As we say in Wyoming, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," quipped Vice President Dick Cheney in a stump speech yesterday, with reference to John Kerry's claims he would be a credible war president.
There is no insulting sexist double entendre here unless you can pull a video out of your ass where Kerry claims he wears lipstick.
More specifically, where Ke... (Below threshold)

More specifically, where Kerry made a widely-circulated joke about himself and his lipstick less than a week before Cheney's comment.

I don't think this gaffe is... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

I don't think this gaffe is something to go nuts about that's for sure. But to say that he didn't use that reference knowing that it would be interpreted as some sort of shot at Palin is completely disingenuous. Obama/Biden are in full panic mode right now and it's best to just let them be. This is a gift for McCain/Palin. with each day, I imagine more independents are seeing Obama for what he really is, the most inexperienced, most liberal candidate to ever run for President on a major party ticket.

I don't think this... (Below threshold)
rodney dill:
I don't think this gaffe is something to go nuts about that's for sure.
I'm not so sure. The angry left made a lot of hay over 'potatoe', and this is just the start of "Suey-gate". Obama's the gift that just keeps on giving.
I have to admit that Obama'... (Below threshold)

I have to admit that Obama's "new politics" have me confused as to how they differ from the "old politics". Maybe it's a 'liberal thing' and I ain't hep enuff to get it?

The angry left mad... (Below threshold)
J.R.:
The angry left made a lot of hay over 'potatoe'

True, but they had a willing media on their side that was all too happy to point out Quayle's blunder. I think in this case it's best to just let the ridiculous comment just hang out there and like many other pundits have already said, have Palin make fun of Obama about it. Laugh at him because the man was just plain dumb yesterday.

As third party observers, i... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

As third party observers, it may seem that some are over-reacting -- believe me when I say that this is not the case. When someone uses the unacceptable (now in current society) N-word under any circumstances, it causes an immediate emotional reaction. This is true in this case as well, where even the implication of the Governor in comparison with the pig (whether it was directly or circumstantial) is at best in very poor taste and at worst a sexist remark -- the Obama campaign NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE immediately to Gov. Palin.

Using a pig reference towar... (Below threshold)
twolaneflash:

Using a pig reference toward a man (Kerry) and a woman (Palin) have different meanings completely. When someone tells a man "you're a pig", it is often taken as a complement, especially when referring to their ocular appreciation of the opposite sex. The pig comparison toward a woman is right next to "you carry a mattress on your back and give curb service.". Timing being everything, Obama/Biden comments about lipstick are not coincidental, they are COIN (counterinsurgency). Let the "suey-gate" open and flood the Democrats with the disdain they deserve.

Hey, if the Obama nuts can ... (Below threshold)
Big Mo:

Hey, if the Obama nuts can take offense at "community organizer" and claim that it's the new code word for "black" (thank you, governor of New York) then it's equally OK for
the McCain people to take offense at "lipstick on a pig."

Live by the snear smear, then expect it in return.

You can put lipstick on a P... (Below threshold)
Matt:

You can put lipstick on a PitBull, and it'll still bite your arm off.

This is pretty funny folks.... (Below threshold)
JFO:

This is pretty funny folks. Here is McCaiin, in reference to a plan of Hillary Clinton's using the lipstick on a pig idiom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8IhMMhe8w


Now can we stop with the faux outrage?

The moral of this story is twofold: be careful when you pretend to be outraged about the same thing your candidate has also said; both these campaigns need to get off this bullsh** and start convincing us how yo make America better.

Since there was no juxtapos... (Below threshold)
rodney dill:

Since there was no juxtaposed 'lipstick' joke by Hillary, there is no double entendre in McCain's comment

When did Hillary start wearing lipstick anyway?

Your attempt to stop the real outrage is stymied.

>"Dem operative repeated... (Below threshold)
Brian:

>"Dem operative repeatedly said "Palin is a porker"
Remember, women HATE references to weight unless it is about their ex-husband's new girlfriend.

...
Shame on the Obama campaign (and Obama himself) for resorting to base name calling and sexism in his campaign.
...
He didn't react as if he was embarrassed about having mispoken and he certainly didn't apologize for it.

You do realize, don't you, that it's the right that is turning this into sexism. The phrase "lipstick on a pig" and the term "porker" have been used by the left and right for years with no problem. And now that Palin is in the picture, it's suddenly a reference to her weight, and "sexist". (Though apparently not when applied to Hillary.)

Tell you what... you get the zeitgeist to come up with another term for wasteful spending, and no one will use "pork" anymore.

Sheesh! And you guys accuse the left of being too PC!

Since there was no juxta... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Since there was no juxtaposed 'lipstick' joke by Hillary, there is no double entendre in McCain's comment

So it was ambiguous who he was referring to? And Cheney?

"Obama needs to apologize t... (Below threshold)
SDW:

"Obama needs to apologize to Palin and to all women."

Dill - just as soon a John McCain apologizes for the exact same treatment of Hillary Clinton, and the crack he made about Chelsea Clinton.

You love the double-standard, don't you?

Baggi -At least Bi... (Below threshold)
SDW:

Baggi -

At least Biden was able to correct his error.

Unlike this idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPjzThypPag

McCain did apologize for th... (Below threshold)
rodney dill:

McCain did apologize for the Chelsea crack... and I already 'splained to ya loosey' why no Hillary apology is needed as no Hillary insult was made. (there is no exact same treatment here)

You're the one hiding behind the double standard SDW. I guess you can't make good on your claim that the 'pology is comin' from your... man now.

(...and I do just love Obama, the gift that keeps on giving, thank you)

come on Rodney, don't play ... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

come on Rodney, don't play the unfair treatment card. The comment wasn't sexist. Was it underhandedly directed at Palin? I sure think it was, but no apology is necessary. Just let it play out, Palin is much better than that. LIke I've seen others already suggest. She should just walk up to the podium at her next campaign event, turn away from the mic, fix her lipstick and crack a joke about Obama.




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