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Equal Pay for Women: McCain versus Obama

This is really striking and illustrates Obama's hypocrisy on equal pay for equal work. Not only are the female staffers on McCain's campaign paid more than their counterparts on Obama's staff, but McCain's female staffers make more money than McCain's male staffers. The Boston Herald examined the salaries for female staffers in both campaigns Senatorial offices using this formula:

The most recent statistics are for the half-year from Oct. 1, 2007, to March 31, 2008, excluding interns and focusing on full-time personnel.

For someone who worked only until, say, last Feb. 29, extrapolating up to six months' service simplifies this analysis. Doubling these half-year figures illustrates how a year's worth of Senate employees' paychecks should look.

Let's take a look at the salaries for Obama's staffers:

Obama's 28 male staffers divided among themselves total payroll expenditures of $1,523,120. Thus, Obama's average male employee earned $54,397.

Obama's 30 female employees split $1,354,580 among themselves, or $45,152, on average.

Why this disparity? One reason may be the under-representation of women in Obama's highest-compensated ranks. Among Obama's five best-paid advisers, only one was a woman. Among his top 20, seven were women.

Now let's compare that to McCain's female staff:

McCain's 17 male staffers split $916,914, thus averaging $53,936. His 25 female employees divided $1,396,958 and averaged $55,878.

On average, according to these data, women in McCain's office make $1.04 for every dollar a man makes. In fact, all other things being equal, a typical female staffer could earn 21 cents more per dollar paid to her male counterpart - while adding $10,726 to her annual income - by leaving Obama's office and going to work for McCain.

How could this be?

One explanation could be that women compose a majority of McCain's highest-paid aides. Among his top-five best-compensated staffers, three are women. Of his 20-highest-salaried employees, 13 are women. The Republican presidential nominee relies on women - much more than men - for advice at the highest, and thus, best-paid levels.

So let's summarize.

Obama employs fewer women, and of the women he employs, only 1 is part of his five highest paid staffers. On top of that, Obama pays the women he does employ quite a bit less than he pays the men who work for him.

On the other hand, McCain employs quite a few women, and of the women he employs, 3 of them comprise his five highest paid staffers. Additionally, McCain pays the women he employs more than he pays the men who work for him.

Obama demanded equal treatment for women in his acceptance speech at the DNC and even referenced his daughters:

I want my daughters to have exactly the same opportunities as your sons.

He writes about equal pay for women on his website:

Despite decades of progress, women still make only 77 cents for every dollar a man makes. A recent study estimates it will take another 47 years for women to close the wage gap with men at Fortune 500 corporate offices. Barack Obama believes the government needs to take steps to better enforce the Equal Pay Act, fight job discrimination, and improve child care options and family medical leave to give women equal footing in the workplace.

Even though Obama paints himself as the the patron saint of women, he doesn't act on his words. Senator Obama has some explaining to do.


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I'm sorry, but as a self pr... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

I'm sorry, but as a self proclaimed math geek, this story is lame.

Among his [McCain]... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Among his [McCain] top-five best-compensated staffers, three are women.

Maybe that had something to do with McCain picking Palin for VP. Believe it or not, women know more about what women want in government than men do. Shared experiences creates an understanding between people that's hard for someone without those experiences to gain. McCain's employment of women in top staff positions demonstrates Palin was no political stunt, but a pattern of behavior, a pattern that should attract many women voters. A pattern that demonstrates that Palin will be McCain's top advisor, if elected.

Even more important here, b... (Below threshold)

Even more important here, but not highlighted in the story -- for the same job, McCain has 42 paid staff while Obama has 58. I think that's the clearest indication yet of how each would govern.

Correct me if I'm wrong(and... (Below threshold)
Chip:

Correct me if I'm wrong(and I'm sure someone will), but it looks, to me, like McCain is doing better, being more effective, than Obama with a smaller staff. All the while saving $563,828.00 over Obama. Hmmmm looks like the kind of manager I want in the Whitehouse. And to boot he's actually practicing that gender equality thing democrats really care about so much.

THE BOSTON HERALD isn't loo... (Below threshold)

THE BOSTON HERALD isn't looking at this issue correctly. Many of John McCain's top staffers are from high priced lobbying firms and required a top salary to work for McCain. Most Obama staffers work for lower wages overall to keep the money in the campaign. Many Obama staffers are volunteers with no salary at all compared to the McCain organization.

But with so many top lobbyists working for McCain, it is also driving his policies as well. A top lobbyist for the government of Geogia has wriiten McCain policy statements on that state for example for the McCain Campaign. Is this reform?

THE BOSTON HERALD isn't ... (Below threshold)
Paul Duffau:

THE BOSTON HERALD isn't looking at this issue correctly.

Paul, it isn't a matter of viewpoint but rather of facts and your statement above is little more than spin control.

Fact: Obama female staffers make more than $10,000 dollars less than McCain's.

Fact: McCain has superior gender balance among his highest paid advisers. 3:1 among the top five and 13:7 among the top twenty.

Fact: Obama spend half a million dollars more for his staffers than does McCain and has a third more staff - period.

Fact: The article focused on permanent staff rather than unpaid interns.

It's enough to make a poor liberal head explode but the true woman-friendly candidate in this race is the Republican.

Got it, sweetie?

Senator Bullshit--what else... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Senator Bullshit--what else would you expect.

Hooson, you are Mr. Bullshi... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Hooson, you are Mr. Bullshit--if they're high-priced lobbyists, why would they go for an average $55k salary?

You sir, are Andrew Sullivan, Jr.

I can't wait for the Obama ... (Below threshold)
Sloan:

I can't wait for the Obama campaign ad that uses these numbers to insuate that John McCain hires so many women because he's a dirty old man.

Well, according to Pandagon... (Below threshold)
MunDane:

Well, according to Pandagon and Femisting, those aren't REALLY women, since they are not having abortions...

One possible source of erro... (Below threshold)

One possible source of error, analyzing either McCain or Obama salaries. In congressional offices, some staffers wear more than one hat. A person might, for example, be primarily a McCain staffer, but also work someetimes for the Senate Committee on Committees. In those statistics, the time that staffer spends working on the Senate Committee on Committees would be listed in the committee's budget, not in the McCain office budget.

Paul Duffau, but you do kno... (Below threshold)

Paul Duffau, but you do know that the Obama Campaign has given a substantial number of unemployed African-American women jobs as phone operators and secretaries and other jobs that they gain employment skills for outside work once the election is over. This is all building on the community organizer role of Obama.

The McCain Campaign may have given a number of men and women who work for million dollar lobby organizations a high paid job in his campaign, but the Obama Campaign has given work to thousands of unemployed persons, many of which are minorities as well as job training to find work once the Bush economy improves and unemployment drops below 6.1%.

There are in indeed substantial differences with both campaigns.

Mitchell, high paid Republican millionaire lobbyists can afford to take a few months off work to help their party. They aren't living day to day like some poor unemployed African American woman who is hired by the Obama Campaign to type letters or make phone calls to donors.

<a href="http://www.suntime... (Below threshold)
Chip:
Correct me if I'm ... (Below threshold)
Correct me if I'm wrong(and I'm sure someone will), but it looks, to me, like McCain is doing better, being more effective, than Obama with a smaller staff.

Yes, but that's not saying much. Right now, a 3 Stooges pie fight appears to be better organized than the Obama campaign.

"Right now, a 3 Stooges ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"Right now, a 3 Stooges pie fight appears to be better organized than the Obama campaign."

THOSE at least had some choreography and planning behind them!

Chip, you can't compare any... (Below threshold)

Chip, you can't compare any campaign back in January 2007 before even the Iowa Caucus or New Hampshire Primary to how it is run today. Remember the McCain Campaign was virtually bankrupt and in debt and McCain was carrying his own bags back in January. Both the September 2008 campaigns are far different now than back when both were longshots. Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney were probably the big favorites back then and both had lots of money and organization.

There are a few comments here that are pretty educational with some good facts and information, and a few others only looking to argue. But I personally believe that both campaigns are organized far differently and not really comparable in many ways. I think that THE BOSTON HERALD may have missed those organizational differences in their comparison.

John McCain has never really had any great record on women's rights legislation in all his years in Congress either. But somehow many seem to not notice that fact once he chose a single Republican woman for vp candidate many years after Democrat Walter Mondale chose a woman in 1984. That either means progress in the Republican Party or that it takes the Republicans 24 years to socially advance to an equal opportunity level depending on how you look at it.

Hillary Clinton was actually running for president with the Democrats, and would have made all decisions in many key policy areas and appointments. As Vice President, Sarah Palin's only duties are to break rare ties in the Senate or inquire about the health of the President each day by comparison. It's up each person to judge if that's really some great advancement for women or not.

Obama employs fewer wome... (Below threshold)
sean nyc/aa:

Obama employs fewer women,
Kim Priestap

Nitpicking here, but Obama employs MORE total women, fewer as a percentage of his employees.

From the article, it says Obama has 28 male and 30 female employees. McCain has 17 male and 25 female employees. So Obama's male: female ratio is 1:1 and McCain's is 2:3.

Does anyone think it is wor... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

Does anyone think it is worth the time and effort to ask Paul Hoosen to document his claim that Obama is hiring and giving job skills to thousands of African American women?

No, I didn't think so either.

Seriously, if Paul Hoosen had a committment to women, he would have long ago insisted that there be a female writer/editor at Wizbang Blue rather than Lee, Paul and Steve deciding they were qualified to tell women how they should react and/or think about the issues they discuss.

It didn't seem to a problem for Kevin to find capable women for the main page.

As usual, Hooson gets the w... (Below threshold)

As usual, Hooson gets the wrong idea and resorts to verbal diarrhea to cover his utter wrongheadedness.

The article is in reference to McCain and Obama's SENATORIAL staff.

Hooson wants us to talk about their CAMPAIGN staffs.

The trick to reading Mr. Hooson's comments is simple. If it exceeds three lengthy paragraphs, you simply KNOW that there is something in there that is 100% pure bullshit. With that established, it's just a matter of isolating the most egregious fabrication that he's using to divert the subject.

In this case, he's trying to pull a bait-and-switch and get people to not look at the senatorial staffs of McCain and Obama (paid for out of taxpayer funds, from the US Senate's operational funding), but the campaign staffs (paid by their respective campaigns).

The reason: simple. This makes his guy look bad, so Hooson's gotta get everyone talking about something else where his guy might not come across so bad.

J.

Paul,You seem to b... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Paul,

You seem to be overlooking some important data in The Boston Herald's story. Consider the following:

A watchdog group called LegiStorm posts on the Internet the salaries for Capitol Hill staffers.
...
Parsing LegiStorm's official data, gleaned from the secretary of the Senate, offers a fascinating glimpse at pay equity in the World's Greatest Deliberative Body.

The data is for Obama's and McCain's full-time Senate staff, not their campaign staff. These are not either the millionaire lobbyists nor the poor unemployed African American woman you have based your arguments on. Nor are they temporary jobs that go away at the end of the election, well not for the staff of the loser who will retain their Senate seat. Maybe the winner will take some of his Senate staff with him to the White house, but that's another issue.

John McCain has never really had any great record on women's rights legislation in all his years in Congress either.

Nor has Obama.

Hillary Clinton was actually running for president with the Democrats,

But it was Democrats who sent her packing. You don't get credit for people who just run, but are never nominated. If so, we have to count every person who ever registered as a candidate for President.

Bottom line is that McCain had done a better job of giving women opportunity and pay equivalent to that of men than Obama. Once again we see Obama talking the talk and McCain walking the walk.

Well what do you know, Than... (Below threshold)
Chip:

Well what do you know, Thanks Jay Tea, I guess it's time for me to retake that course in reading comprehension. I blame it on the public education system. Well, that and my laziness.

OhioVoter..good point about... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

OhioVoter..good point about having a women Wizbangblue writer but anyone is welcome to write at Wizbangblue or at least try it out, or so I assume..I have less free time than I did before so it may be more than ever, an excellent suggestion.

As you probably know Lee did a tenacious job supporting Hillary on our site, while her campaign lasted.

As a unconscious male sexist, I must remind voters there are 16 women senators and only one current African-American senator in the US. There are eight current women governors as well and two black governors (of whom one was appointed, Patterson). If it is a glass ceiling for women, it must be plexi-glass ceiling for Afican -Americans.

Since so much of this campaign inevitably is about biography, McCain should know all about the advantages of women earning more money. After all, McCain with his unquestioning honor, as always firmly in place, divorced his first wife and married shortly thereafter (or even before the final divorce papers went through), a younger woman worth around 100 million dollars.

Er, the posted article star... (Below threshold)
Larry:

Er, the posted article starts with:

"Not only are the female staffers on McCain's campaign paid more than their counterparts on Obama's staff, but McCain's female staffers make more money than McCain's male staffers. The Boston Herald examined the salaries for female staffers in both campaigns using this formula:

How do you get Senate staff from the word in bold?

BUT, Paul Hoosen hasn't documented his remarks, which is typical. There is a biased assumption that everyone reads the dailykos to get their facts. Don't go on Lee's blog and attempt to correct his attempts to make a point by detailing real facts; he will boot you.

Perhaps this is explained by:

http://edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html

This appears to be a liberal guy explaining why liberals don't get it.

Next, here is what is really gonna happen:

"I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all, of them."

The above quotation is why the Paul Hoosen and Lee Ward's of the world will be in shock should Obama win. Simply put, they have fallen in love with who they think he is instead of who he really is. Recognise the quotation? It comes from Page 30 of Obama's "Audacity."

Like I have said, don't fall in love with a politician, they will break your heart and pick your pocket. And that will be the destiny of the new Obamanuts, which will go well with the old ones, many of whom have been thrown under the bus by Obama as he has climbed the ladder. Others haven't. The decision point seems to be whether they would continue to be useful or had something on him like Emil Jones.

Larry

Ok, I went to the or... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Ok, I went to the original article and for a fact, it was for Senate staff, NOT campaign. I guess Kim got that wrong. So Paul Hoosen, your argument isn't valid since you were talking unsubstantiated campaign figures instead of documented Senate Staff. Sorry Paul, I was trying to sorta stick up for you a bit, it just didn't work out.

Steve, Steve, Steve ...... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

Steve, Steve, Steve ...

First you would have to unban them all! :-D

I have to disagree with your insinuation that women have "enough" positions in government with 16 (out of 100) Senate seats and
eight (out of 50)governors seats. Half the population deserves more.

As to your assertion about African-American candidates ... I voted for a gubentorial candidate in 2006 who had held more than one statewide office, was highly educated and who had received numerous accolades for his innovations to the technology and to the management of the various departments he had let ... and who happened to be African-American. He was targeted for defeat because he had the temerity to not also be a Democrat. And, nation-wide, he was not the only African American to be treated that way.

Stop playing identity politics and you would see the numbers you quoted rise.

Jay and Mac, the first para... (Below threshold)

Jay and Mac, the first paragraph of the Kim's feature twice refers to "campaign" staff. I only referred my coments to that, remaining on topic. Certainly THE BOSTON HERALD does refer to the Senate staffs, but that wasn't the topic here, as it was campaign staffs according to Kim's opening statement.

Let's look at some other equality standards here as well. Only 1.6% of GOP delegates this year or just 36 delegates were African American compared to 24.6% or 1,079 at the DNC Convention. And oh yes, women in general were in far shorter supply at the RNC Convention than the DNC one as well. That's diversity and inclusiveness? At least when Sarah Palin showed up for Ladies Night at the GOP Convention there was one more Republican woman in the house. On SOUTH PARK one character is called "Token" you know.

Steve:"After all, ... (Below threshold)
Larry:

Steve:

"After all, McCain with his unquestioning honor, as always firmly in place, divorced his first wife and married shortly thereafter (or even before the final divorce papers went through), a younger woman worth around 100 million dollars. "

That is absolutely correct. And I know of conservatives who will NOT vote for McCain because he is an Adulterer. In point of fact, John McCain was a SERIAL adulterer. He was screwing around with multiple women while he was still married.

McCain is no Saint from his earlier years. Neither is Obama. I would cheerfully post a few of Obama's less than ethical moments on Blue AND document them, but Lee has banned me. I could get around that easily, but I don't go where I am not wanted. Oh, and Michelle Obama has a few bones in her closet as well, all documented.

I am not a McCain (or Palin) apologist. I view McCain, Palin, Obama and Biden as normal, flawed human beings. I don't love any of them. I look at what they DO instead of what they say, and so far, based on MY values, McCain and Palin have done more for normal, everyday people as part of their elected service, than has Obama. Biden is another story with many conflicted positions. On balance, Biden has been a yoeman public servant based on his values, which are honest and not duplicitious, even though I don't agree with many of the issues he holds near and dear.

Let me just make one more comment on McCain's past adultery. Since he has been married for many decades to Cindy McCain, there isn't a hint of adultery or moral misconduct except for the fevered imagination of McCain haters. He thus falls into the 3% category, which I would discuss if there is demand. As an observation, there have been countless men AND women who discovered honor later in life than they should.

Once found, they seldom stray from the straight and narrow path. It does not surprise me at all that a fighter pilot's self esteem exceeded numerous boundaries of respectable conduct, it is part of their bubble culture. Nor does it surprise me that McCain has made every effort a man can make to live down his earlier, selfish and self centered actions.

Please refer to his comments at Saddleback for more information.

Larry

Nitpicking here, but Oba... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

Nitpicking here, but Obama employs MORE total women, fewer as a percentage of his employees.

From the article, it says Obama has 28 male and 30 female employees. McCain has 17 male and 25 female employees. So Obama's male: female ratio is 1:1 and McCain's is 2:3.

That's part of the point I was trying to make in the first post (that apparently nobody likes that observation). With numbers, if you know how to manipulate them, you can make them "say" anything. I'm sure that men and women in either campaign get paid equal rates for equal work... ergo, no story to be made. But manipulate the numbers just a smidge... and suddenly Obama doesn't pay women as well as McCain.

I'm about as tried and true a conservative as there is, but this is a partisan hack hit piece if I ever saw one. Sorry Kim, I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Certainly THE BOST... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Certainly THE BOSTON HERALD does refer to the Senate staffs, but that wasn't the topic here, as it was campaign staffs according to Kim's opening statement.

All the facts kim used come from the Boston Harald story, and those came from the watchdog group LegiStorm. The data is the story.

Let's look at some other equality standards here as well.
...
That's diversity and inclusiveness?

And maybe that's important to some voters. Republicans count ideas rather than gender and race. Ideas like unity, order, and freedom. People attracted to such ideas are the ones who pay most of the taxes the system runs on. They are the people who start and run businesses and the employees who know where their pay comes form. They are the people who are willing to pay even more to make America energy independent with a strong economy and military.


Mac, I personally understan... (Below threshold)

Mac, I personally understand your feelings. I've personally owned 7 businesses in my lifetime including a record store, TV shops and bookstores and I'm looking at buying a $1 million dollar apartment building with commercial retail property below to add to my other property I own. I've been a Democrat since 1980 when I switched from being a Republican. I've provided jobs for others etc. So I support pro-business practices for sure.

I disagree with many Republican social goals, foreign policy goals, etc. and just find more in common with Democrats by far. The Republicans have just become far too right wing for my tastes with their steady drift to the right since the Reagan years.

America also cannot drill it's way out of it's oil problems. The U.S. has just 3% of the world's oil supply, but consumes 25% of the entire world oil output. Oil companies are also not really interested in 10 years of permits, exploration and oil rig and refinery construction when foreign oil from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela or the Mideast can be easily bought wholesale on the world commodity markets with little effort. More oil production would also lower oil prices as well, something that American oil companies or OPEC don't really want either. This oil independence issue is unfortunately just an election year slogan and not any serious effort to resolve serious supply or price issues, which I find personally find alarming.

Off topic, but for thirty y... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Off topic, but for thirty years (nearly every four years right on time) 'energy independence' has been the red button, American political issue for both sides, and Governor Palin is now the latest energy expert.

Just an observation but bot... (Below threshold)
Paul Duffau:

Just an observation but both Paul Hooson and Steve Crickmore have attempted to move the article from a straight forawrd evaluation of the relevent facts into diversions of legislative efforts or personal character defects.

the single most relevent fact that has been present is the number of women in leadership roles within the McCain office. That drives the differential in income.

Paul Hooson's claim that Obama has given a substantial number of unemployed African-American women jobs as phone operators and secretaries and other jobs that they gain employment skills for outside work once the election is over. Based on Obama's actions (not statements), this is evidently the type of position that he considers suitable else we could expect to see more women at the top of his organizational chart.

Exsubnuke, I agree that the numbers can be manipulated but the raw numbers for the types of people in catagories of jobs, ie. women in the top five salaried positions, can be highly indicative. That's why I think that particular number is critical to the debate.

Steve and Paul Hooson:... (Below threshold)
Larry:

Steve and Paul Hooson:

Absolutely accurate. Every four years Democratic and Republican politicans sound the alarm for energy independence and then once elected and the electorate goes back to sleep, it is business as usual. If McCain is serious about making Palin his energy czar, her history indicates things might get lively if you look at her track record with something besides bias.

1. She believes in drill it or lose it. This is one of the foundations of Democratic energy policy and one that is solid. Oil Companies like to stockpile leases and according to a Democratic Congressman from Texas, that's all right and naysayers don't understand the oil basis. That's bipartisan baloney. Oil companies bid on leases for the benefit of their balance sheet.

2. Drilling ANWR makes sense for early relief with increased supply. Oh yea? Here is why. Offshore is all fine and good, but the problem is that drilling ships are leased up through 2013. ANWR is ONSHORE and there is a pipeline in place with capacity that is fairly close to production.

3. Don't believe the less than knowledgeable reports of energy resources in the US. Shale oil alone has 800 billion barrels of recoverable reserves. American coal reserves is the most abundant in the world. If you add Canada and Mexico and Alaska into the mix, you find that we have enormous energy resources to draw upon. Senator Ken Salazar (D) of Colorado has been leading the fight to slow down or kill shale oil.

4. If we used the 1.4 million acres of currently unused acerage in the US for unedible biofuels, the price of corn would come down to a profitable price for farmers while still being affordable for consumers AND the we could convert enough to gasoline to fuel somewhere between 10% and 15% of our transport needs.

I could go on and on and on but that is enough to make the point.

The major block to energy independence comes from Congress and BOTH parties including Nancy Pelosi, currently Speaker of the House. The oil companies are no angels (fined many times) and neither is the Democratic party. Palin has showed that she is willing to take on anybody, including her own party, to do the job the American people need doing that so far hasn't been done by EITHER party.

OhioVoter - "Does anyon... (Below threshold)
marc:

OhioVoter - "Does anyone think it is worth the time and effort to ask Paul Hoosen to document his claim that Obama is hiring and giving job skills to thousands of African American women?"

Buwawahaha!

Still waiting aren't we OV?

SIDENOTE: Hooson how many women and or minorities do you employ in your business?

And please, don't count any of the many ethnic groups in China that without doubt labor without union representation, equal pay (if paid at all) and are of legal age while producing cheap ass scooters for you to sell.

Paul,I expect you'... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Paul,

I expect you're an equal opportunity employer and pay your taxes, as it's the law. It's true that not every business person is a Republican, but it's also true that not every teacher, minority or woman is a Democrat.

America also cannot drill it's way out of it's oil problems.

Maybe not, but domestic drilling is part of any plan for the U.S. becoming energy independent.

The U.S. has just 3% of the world's oil supply, but consumes 25% of the entire world oil output.

This is the data Pickens is putting out, but it's incorrect. No one know how much oil is in the banned offshore areas. Also domestic oil shale amounts to 1.5 trillion barrels of oil, which is more than five times the stated reserves of Saudi Arabia. It's profitable at $40 per barrel, but almost all of it is on land controlled by the Federal government.

Oil companies are also not really interested in 10 years of permits, exploration and oil rig and refinery construction when foreign oil from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela or the Mideast can be easily bought wholesale on the world commodity markets with little effort.

Wow, a whole bunch of incorrect ideas all stuck together. Let me take them one at a time. First, long permit times can be solved by voting out energy obstructionists. Second, we don't need to build new refineries other than to add more capacity. Just switch them from foreign oil to domestic oil. Third, oil companies can buy foreign oil at the $100 plus global market price, or they can produce it for less than half that domestically. That's $50 plus more profit for producing domestic oil. That's all the incentive private companies need.

More oil production would also lower oil prices as well, something that American oil companies or OPEC don't really want either.

Despite the recent bursting of the oil speculation bubble, demand for oil will increase faster than supply, even with increased domestic production. It's that certainty that gives investors confidence for developing domestic oil. Prices will rise, but hopefully at a rate our economy can deal with.

This oil independence issue is unfortunately just an election year slogan and not any serious effort to resolve serious supply or price issues, which I find personally find alarming.

I haven't heard a single politician talk about "oil independence". Either you're not paying attention to details or you're trying to spin the issue. The slogan is "energy independence" and McCain is talking about conservation, nuclear power plants, wind, solar, hydrogen and electric or hybrid passenger vehicles. This is the issue that will define this election and could undo all the gains the Democrats made in 2006 unless they get on board.

It's not about lowering the cost of oil, it's about lowering the cost of defending the oil supply, a cost paid in blood. You would think Democrats would embrace the issue, but they continue to kowtow to big environmentalism.

crickmore - "As you probabl... (Below threshold)
marc:

crickmore - "As you probably know Lee did a tenacious job supporting Hillary on our site, while her campaign lasted."

Congratulations!

You win the award for giving the most gratuitous knob-job to lee ward seen outside the Blue echo chamber for the month of Sept. And the month isn't half over but I have every confidence you will prevail 'til the 30th.

LW tossed Hillary under that bus long before it was plain she wouldn't win and has been slathering praise on the ObamaMessiah thicker than stink on sh*t ever since.

Absolutely accura... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Absolutely accurate. Every four years Democratic and Republican politicans sound the alarm for energy independence and then once elected and the electorate goes back to sleep, it is business as usual.

That all changed with $4 gas. It's now the top voter issues because the public now realizes it's both an economic issue and a national security issue. As long as the U.S. imports so much foreign oil it must defend that supply. People realize defending the supply is why we went into Iraq the first time and doing so lead to 9/11, which is why we are in Afghanistan and some say back in Iraq. If Iran blocks the straits of hormuz in it's spat with Israel the U.S. will have to go to war with Iran, and with their links to Russia, that could be a far more costly war than Iraq.

If you're tired of war and want peace and prosperity, then the U.S. has to become energy independent. Make it clear to politicians that energy obstructionists will be voted out of office.

Hooson, is the reason you h... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Hooson, is the reason you had 7 businesses is that they kept failing? I can't imagine you having a successful business given your lack of discretion, discernment, etc.

This wouldn't be a goal, versus a reality? Like that ad on XM Radio about owning a dozen LLC's for some unknown purpose? Or, maybe your wife runs the businesses? I don't know.

I just don't see it, Paul. Sorry. Maybe you made it up like your "facts" about the poor women working O!bama's Senate staff. Forgive my cutting to the core of your little credibility problem, bro.

Mac and Larry, I don't care... (Below threshold)

Mac and Larry, I don't care if oil companies would even want to drill for oil in my own front-yard for that matter. But I seriously doubt that wish to increase the supply of oil on the market and reduce their prices. It would be like asking someone to work 80 hours for 40 hour wages. And why go to all the cost and expense of a 10 year process of getting permits, exploration, building oil drilling rigs and new refineries just to find some oil that they can already buy wholesale from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela or even the Mideast. American Oil companies already have mineral rights to huge tracts of land, but aren't even attempting to get oil from there because of the cost as well as time involved. And many refineries aren't even working near capacity output either.

It certainly would be good if the United States wouldn't invade weak nations like Iraq looking to secure more oil supplies. It would save a lot of lives. But there was really no need to since OPEC has plenty of oil to sell but deliberately lowers production levels to keep prices high and American oil companies like high prices as well, so keep production on the lower end as well. Just last week when oil neared $100 a barrel, Opec met to discuss cutting production by 500,000 barrels a day to keep prices high.

When American oil companies can profit from some alternate source of power other than oil, then they will market that once the technology is there. But right now it's really the politicians who are talking about energy independence, but the American oil companies aren't on the same page. All the oil companies, American and foreign have a real good deal right now with gas close to $4 a gallon and would like to keep that deal as long as they can.

A lot of oil from Alaska is contaminated with very high levels of cancer causing benzene also. This is not filtered out in the refining process or by an automobile air pollution systems and gets into the bone marrow and causes leukemia and other deadly blood or bone illnesses. Only the British owned BP has a high cost refinery that is able to remove most benzene from Alaskan oil. American companies were given a special pass from The Bush Administration controlled EPA to delay until 2014 to remove this deadly benzene from Alaskan oil. In the meantime, much of the oil from Alaska is producing a serious cancer hazard in congested city traffic areas to any person walking on the streets, waiting for a bus, or driving with their windows open. MSDS Crude and Alaska North Slope Crude Oil are two of the most benzene contaminated crude oils to be found on planet Earth. All of this talk of using this oil seems to ignore this serious cancer threat that has not been resolved by the major American oil companies so far. A major Alaskan oil pipeline company, Alyeska Pipeline Service Company is the first to admit that much of the oil from Alaska is highly toxic and contaminated with poisonous benzene in a fact sheet for example.

If you like leukemia for yourself or family, then you can use as much of this oil as you want. But it's not safe to use and the Alaskan pipeline project that Sarah Palin keeps talking about may or may not be built after 2018 when some of dangers associated with benzene might be resolved unless President McCain gives the oil industry further EPA delays in resolving this serious health threat.

Every crude oil from different parts of the world contains different minerals or sometimes contamination, and benzene contamination is the huge health problem associated with most oil from Alaska.

Mitchell, here's some good ... (Below threshold)

Mitchell, here's some good free business advice. You have to change some businesses as time goes on because of technology or market changes. For example when the price of new TVs dropped down from about $300-400 average during the 1980's to some $129 dollar throwaway TVs, you go on to another business. When the 1980 recession cut record and tape sales by nearly 80%, I went into owning bookstores instead because it was more stable. As books sales dropped into the early 80's, I got into TVs and electronics. Now I do rental properties. But I had to take a $110,000 loss on just one property this year when renters did $70,000 damage to the property, the insurance company refused to cover the damages, and the real estate market was bad. So it was better to take a loss and get rid of this property and invest in something better like this $1 million dollar 15 unit apartment building I'm eyeing right now. I asked what they thought about at the bank where the owners bank this week, and they think it's a great deal and real under-priced.

It's opportunities like this that means why you get in and out of some business deals. You have to strike when the iron is hot on some deals.

I hope you are right Mac. ... (Below threshold)
Larry:

I hope you are right Mac. The more serious problems in the Iran and that neck of the woods started with Carter. I have the docs on that if you are interested. Iraq has 200 billion in easily recoverable reserves. Problem is that it is Iraq.

Energy independence is a very, very tall mountain to climb. If we shut off ever form of transport in the US, we would still be importing oil for other uses. If everyone kissed and made up, it would take us 25 or 30 years to get to where we need to be. Problem is that the Libs don't get it. Rovin hit the nail on the head when he called many of them, "misanthropic solipsists."

People like Lee Ward and many more just like him imagine that anyone who disagrees with them is an unworthy, brain dead moron, undeserving of common courtesy or consideration. This breed of person has always been with us, but they have reached alarming proportions since that time in the 60's when the KGB started a campaign to encourage the development in this country of persons they called "Useful idiots."

For a good piece on "Useful idiots" like Madeline Albright and Teddy, see this one:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=EE557707-6970-466B-9845-0A6D8F7BA373

Larry

I'm thinking of offering a ... (Below threshold)

I'm thinking of offering a wager on how many comments Mr. Hooson can post without actually addressing the topic of this post: the remarkable disparity in pay between women and men in Obama's Senate office, versus McCain's.

Also, note that McCain has been in office about seven times as long as Obama, but needs fewer people to help him do his job -- 42 to 58.

J.

Paul Hooson:<p... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Paul Hooson:

Let me give you some help.

http://www.bakerinstitute.org/

If you have the time, there is a huge detail of the oil business there.

http://www.insideautomotive.com/

Ed Wallace has been telling me where I am full of it about the business of energy. He is seriously smart and an advocate of what he calls "Critical thinking." It would be worth your while to read some of his editorials in the Ft. Worth Star Telegram linked from his web page. He takes a liberal position as often as he takes any other. Before you think he is a mindless conservative clone, remember that Molly Ivins was a long time editorial writer for the Star-Telegram.

Trust me on this one Paul if you are able, you really DON'T want to pontificate on energy unless you have at least considered what Wallace has to say. While it might not impress you, it does impress me that such personages as Rick Wagoner know what Wallace thinks even when they disagree with him.

Sorry Jay, Hooson tr... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Sorry Jay, Hooson triggered me into posting some stuff I have been wanting to say for a long time and haven't had the place to do it.

I will shut up and wait for another day.

Well based on the sheer num... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

Well based on the sheer number of other topics Steve and Paul have raised in this thread, I see that I radically underestimated the level of their embarrassment at Obama actions. They are literally throwing everything in, including the kitchen sink, to try and change the subject from how poorly his pays his female staff and how few women have top positions on it.

As Obama supporters who claim, as they do, to support women, they should be embarrassed.

Not only does he not "walk the talk" that he preaches to others on the topic (which could be said about so many issues actually and is no surprise), but he does far worse on this issue than the man he publically claims doesn't support equal pay for women.

Could his assertions about McCain and how he treats women therefore be called a "lie"? .....

Jay, Arizona has a populati... (Below threshold)

Jay, Arizona has a population of just 6.1 milion and Illinois more than 12 million. You're going to get more mail being a senator from a large state.

Who knew that a senator spending more money on his office in expenses would suddenly now be a good thing? In many states, some politicians who spend a lot of money on their offices are attacked for re-election by their opponents.

Okay, I'm getting tired of this post now. I bought a real nice Benelli motorbike recently, and it's real nice day to ride. I want to get out on it. Benelli has had a history in Pesaro, Italy going back to 1911, and makes some wonderful motorbikes. Argentine Businesman De Tomaso who built the legendary sports cars like the Pantera has owned the company as well, and they build some wonderful machines that are a real joy to drive. Some Benelli models can easily exceed 0-100 in well under 6 seconds.

Paul,But ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Paul,

But I seriously doubt that wish to increase the supply of oil on the market and reduce their prices.

I guess you're stuck on stupid. The trend is increasing demand, even with increased domestic production prices will rise. There's no going back.

And why go to all the cost and expense of a 10 year process of getting permits, exploration, building oil drilling rigs and new refineries just to find some oil that they can already buy wholesale from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela or even the Mideast.

What wholesale price, like anyone buys crude oil at retail. The world market wholesale price of oil is over $100 per barrel. Compare that to domestic oil which costs just $20 to $40 per barrel to produce. What do you think, the oil companies aren't interested in making more profit?

American Oil companies already have mineral rights to huge tracts of land, but aren't even attempting to get oil from there because of the cost as well as time involved.

Those tracts have been explored and found not to contain economically producable oil. You only need to look at all the oil rigs in the Gulf to see that oil companies will drill wherever it's allowed and where there's enough oil to make a profit.

And many refineries aren't even working near capacity output either.

They are running a 90%, which is remarkable given the complexity of the equipment and the maintenance schedule.

But there was really no need to since OPEC has plenty of oil to sell but deliberately lowers production levels to keep prices high and American oil companies like high prices as well,

So you're going on record supporting sending hundreds of billions of dollars to foreign nations. Money that goes to supporting terrorists, money that goes to building Russia's military. You best not ever complain when we have to invade Iran if they block the straits of hormuz. The blood will be on the hands of all the energy obstructionists.

When American oil companies can profit from some alternate source of power other than oil, then they will market that once the technology is there.

Yes, and then liberals will be complaining about big wind, big solar, big nuclear, etc.

A lot of oil from Alaska is contaminated with very high levels of cancer causing benzene also. . .

Benzene can easily be converted to other hydrocarbons during refining. It takes time to update the equipment just like it did with sulfur, same as it did with lead. It's a non-issue. By the way, all crude oil contains some benzene.

hooson - "Mitchell, her... (Below threshold)
marc:

hooson - "Mitchell, here's some good free business advice. You have to change some businesses as time goes on because of technology or market changes.

Do you mean like Royal Dutch Shell who has the largest wind power business in the sector, and the 17th largest in the world, according to Emerging Energy Research, and plans to expand substantially?

Or maybe you mean BP that has built one of the largest solar panel manufacturing businesses in the world since 1980 and increased its wind business with around $300 million invested in wind generation and turbine manufacturing businesses in the past 15 months.

Maybe Chevron Corp is on your list of companies who have followed the market... they have spent $2 billion between 2002 and 2006 on renewable and alternative energy projects and energy efficiency in addition to being the largest producer of renewable power among the big oil companies, thanks to its geothermal power projects in Indonesia and the Philippines which have installed capacity of 1152 MW.

(As a sidenote I live within 10 ks from the P.I. plant, it is massive and very impressive.)

There are many more investments hooson, but you don't want to hear that, it doesn't fit your, or many of the lame-brains in Congress narrative, 'cause if word gets out someone may connect any windfall tax scheme with the idea these projects potentially can be hurt, not to mention those taxes, like in the 80's, would be passed on to YOU and me as price increases.

P.S. hooson, your "buffoonage" is astounding, but not surprising.

Paul,<a href="http... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Paul,

Benzene is not an issue. It costs less than a quarter of a cent per gallon to remove.

"Okay, I'm getting t... (Below threshold)
Larry:


"Okay, I'm getting tired of this post now. I bought a real nice Benelli motorbike recently, and it's real nice day to ride."

Having failed to impress anyone with emotional facts, Hooson gets on his bike and rides off into the sunset. As a businessman, I thought you were interested in factual analysis, but then I noticed that you live in Portland, which is a bit north of San Francisco, but still part of the bubblehead culture.

Hooson got into every secto... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Hooson got into every sector that was leading the way south over the years. Bookstore! Couldn't see the internet and Barnes & Noble coming, huh?

The rental property thing sounds ok, but who has renters doing $70k in damage?? My God, I'm a real estate lawyer and I've never seen that. If you don't vet the tenant, with credit report, references, this is what you get. Your insurance must be pretty bad if they won't pay the claim, by the way.

Ahhh. The Liberal playing at the free market. Even the market has rules--but you have to know what you're doing to take advantage of them.

Librarian, not bookstore owner, would be a better match for you, Hoos.

Paul Duffau is right, there... (Below threshold)

Paul Duffau is right, there are raw numbers that can't be ignored. Maybe Obama needs more staff for ego maintenance. Yeah, it's a cheap dig, but hey, I think there's an element of truth to it.

OhioVoter. - I'm not convinced either Paul or Steve have the wherewithal to be embarrassed. I think changing the subject is more a testament to their attention span. I can't help but get the feeling that Hooson, especially, just glances at a post and is so busy formulating an opinion, he has trouble reading. When that fails he falls back on the usual, "You do know...." as the intro to another long-winded story of his amazing business acumen, abundant wealth, selfless charity and shear number of toys he owns.

Looking over the comments, ... (Below threshold)
Paul Duffau:

Looking over the comments, all I can think is "Thank goodness a client needed a favor today."

While the oil policy stuff is {yawn} interesting, it isn't relevent to the original post. Steve and Paul have gone to great lengths to make sure that the subject of differential treatment of the sexes in his office gets buried.

Mustn't let facts get in the way of "truthiness" of the Chosen One.

Look America!I am ... (Below threshold)
joan:

Look America!

I am not interesting in political party fighting game but this is the time that every American should be awaken to think at least once right in this totally confused oceans of opinion.
First of all, compare who truely have the excellent charateristics as a leadr of this great nation?
Second, if you listen carefully what they say, it is obvious that one is always mumbles and changes his points and the other is very genuine and proved the great leadership.

Please America, look who is more excellent individual that we can trust for our lives on his hand or the flake who luckily ride up the instant fame and backed by Hollywood mentality.

Maybe I don't agree about some of thier issues but as a age of 45, I can tell who is genuine and better leader and who is fake and just power hungry.
America wake up!

Incoherence, thy name is ..... (Below threshold)
Paul Duffau:

Incoherence, thy name is ...."Joan"

Brave Sir Hooson ran awa... (Below threshold)

Brave Sir Hooson ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When reality reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Hooson turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Hooson!

With apologies to Monty Python, of course...

He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge...

J.

Bravely spraying Benzene in... (Below threshold)
epador:

Bravely spraying Benzene in his wake
put, put, put, put, put, put....

If McCain (or palin for tha... (Below threshold)
sara:

If McCain (or palin for that matter) is such a hero for women then why is he against choice? Why is he supporting companies that discriminate based on gender? why was he ever against VAWA? Why does he support cuts to family and medical leave act? Why has Palin cut funds to teen pregnancy shelters in Alaska? Why was the Wasilla police charging raped women $300 to $1200 for a standard forensics test that proves they were raped?

Remember when in 2000 Geroge Bush was saying he is the "real" environmentalist? what happened to that by the way?

Maybe McCain is the same kind of women's rights advocate!

Paying a few women a lot of money doesn't make you a supporter of women. Especially if those women are also paid to support an anti-woman platform! And unequal pay is not about unequal work, it's called unequal pay for the SAME work. Nothing in what you said shows that Obama pays his female staff less than his male staff for the same job. You just said that he has less women in top positions. That is not PAY inequality. we are not stupid.

By the way, just being a woman does not make you want to help other women. Palin does not support American women, she only supports herself but wants American women to support her. We have seen and continue to see women who work against the majority of women when they get to power.

Please don't try to deceive people.

None of this matters anyway... (Below threshold)
anon:

None of this matters anyway because McCain voted in the Senate AGAINST equal pay for women. That is more important to me than how he pays his staffers. This is one of the fundamental differences between McCain's policies and Obama's. I'm not interested in one person behaving well; I want LAWS to exist that make it impossible for others to behave unfairly (like the university that employs me, a woman, at 92% of what men make). That's what this is about. It's great that McCain seems to be setting a good example, but businesses and universities won't follow suit unless they are bound to by law. McCain voted AGAINST that. Obama is for it.




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