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Well, those who scoffed at Dr. Rusty Shackleford's expose' of the smear video on Sarah Palin can just STFU (Google if if you must); the prime suspect has confessed.

And thrown himself on the grenade.

Ethan Winner, a vice president at Winner & Associates, a PR firm owned by Publicis Groupe, has stated that he produced the video in question. Here's his statement in full:

Statement of Ethan Winner

The following is in response to questions I have received regarding the post on the Jawa Report website.

I produced and posted on the Internet the video entitled "Sarah Palin: A Heartbeat Away."

The idea for the video was mine. No one paid me to produce it. The only out-of-pocket cost will be the fee for the voice-over narrator, which I will pay personally when I receive an invoice. Contrary to the allegation in the Jawa Report, the voice-over artist has never done any work for the Obama campaign. I retained her through a talent agency based solely on the quality of her voice.

Neither the Obama campaign nor any independent political action committee has had a connection with the making and/or posting of this video. Just like the thousands of Americans who have posted videos on the Internet regarding the current Presidential campaign, I produced this video as an expression of my right to free speech, which is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

I believe the American people have a right and a need to know information about candidates for political office and their views. I made this video because I think it is important for the public to be aware of the association between Sarah and Todd Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party. The New York Times has reported that the Alaskan Independence Party website describes the party as seeking, in the words of the party, "a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority," including "advocacy for state's rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska."

While a number of media outlets have said that reports that Sarah Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party may have been erroneous, her attendance at the party's 1994 convention, her video speech to the 2008 convention and her husband's membership in the Alaskan Independence Party have not been called into question.

Some people have asked why I have pulled the video from the Internet. The reason is simple. Following the posting of personal information about me by the Jawa Report, my family began to receive threatening and abusive phone calls and emails.

This requires nothing less than a full-blown Fisking.

Statement of Ethan Winner

The following is in response to questions I have received regarding the post on the Jawa Report website.

I produced and posted on the Internet the video entitled "Sarah Palin: A Heartbeat Away."

Well, that tidies up matters considerably.

The idea for the video was mine. No one paid me to produce it. The only out-of-pocket cost will be the fee for the voice-over narrator, which I will pay personally when I receive an invoice. Contrary to the allegation in the Jawa Report, the voice-over artist has never done any work for the Obama campaign. I retained her through a talent agency based solely on the quality of her voice.

Hmm... the voiceover artist has yet to be paid? How convenient. And I'm willing to wager that she never will submit that invoice, because that would identify her -- and, as Rusty and others suspect, show that she very well might be the same woman who David Axelrod used in at least one Obama ad. That would put a serious dent in the "through a(n) (unnamed) talent agency" story right there. I suspect she'll be quietly paid in cash, for far more than she was originally promised.

Neither the Obama campaign nor any independent political action committee has had a connection with the making and/or posting of this video. Just like the thousands of Americans who have posted videos on the Internet regarding the current Presidential campaign, I produced this video as an expression of my right to free speech, which is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

But unlike the thousands of other Americans, Mr. Winner had access to the full resources of his family's PR agency to whip up his little video.

I believe the American people have a right and a need to know information about candidates for political office and their views. I made this video because I think it is important for the public to be aware of the association between Sarah and Todd Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party. The New York Times has reported that the Alaskan Independence Party website describes the party as seeking, in the words of the party, "a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority," including "advocacy for state's rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska."

While a number of media outlets have said that reports that Sarah Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party may have been erroneous, her attendance at the party's 1994 convention, her video speech to the 2008 convention and her husband's membership in the Alaskan Independence Party have not been called into question.

But do the American people "have a right and a need to know" LIES, Mr. Winner? The allegation that Governor Palin was ever a member of the AIP -- which you stated in your video as incontrovertible FACT -- has been proven to be false, and was false before you posted your video. Yes, her husband was a member at one point. Yes, she did welcome them at their convention in 1994 -- it was in her city, and she was the mayor. Yes, she did give a video speech in 2008 -- she is the governor, and at no point did she endorse their goals, merely laud their participation.

Further, the story that she was a member was put out by one or two (I forget the details) of the party's leaders. She responded by releasing her voter registration records from the day she first registered to vote -- and proved she has been a lifelong Republican. Every single change noted in her records was a change of name (when she married) or address -- not a single change of afffiliation. When shown this, the AIP officials admitted they had no documentation to refute this and admitted they had been in error.

And faking voter registration records is a crime, so I have my doubt that Governor Palin would risk something so serious over something so trivial.

I find it hard to believe that someone as interested in Palin's relationship with the AIP would miss that detail in the story while putting together his little hit video.

Some people have asked why I have pulled the video from the Internet. The reason is simple. Following the posting of personal information about me by the Jawa Report, my family began to receive threatening and abusive phone calls and emails.

As Rusty and others have noted, the videos (plural -- it was posted in several places) were pulled literally within minutes of the Jawa Report expose' -- which was released late Sunday night. Is Mr. Winner saying that furious Jawa readers (and their fury is certainly understandable) tracked down his phone number and e-mail that quickly, and he started getting those phone calls at his home that fast? Rusty very carefully did not give any personal contact info for Mr. Winner.

OK, that's it for what Mr. Winner (although "Weiner" and "Whiner" seem more appropriate) said. Now for what he didn't say:

He didn't say that the video was produced entirely through his own resources, and that his employer was not involved.

That would be key. Since his employer is in the business of making such videos for profit, that would leave the firm open to liability for an "in-kind contribution" to the Obama camp.

He didn't identify the other parties he involved in his video -- namely, the voiceover artist and the talent agency he allegedly employed to find her.

As I noted, that leaves the strong suspicion that the woman in question would provide direct linkage between the video and the Obama campaign.

He didn't mention how he used the identities of his co-workers and family members to promote the video.

Rusty identified Ethan Winner through his use of the identity "eswinner." Also used in the promotion and dissemination of the video were the identities of several other employees of Winner and Associates, most of whom are related to Ethan. "cnwinner" matches up with Chuck N. Winner, Ethan's father and the president of the company. "Justyn Winner" was also involved, it seems -- Winner and Associates' vice president, general counsel, and uncle of Ethan Winner. And "stckyfngz" -- who plugged the video at Democratic Underground -- is an identity used by Associate Jared Liu-Klein of Winner and Associates at ESPN.com. Liu-Klein, in his career at Winner, represented Valerie Plame on behalf of the firm.

As I said, this is first blood. The first -- and most readily identifiable -- person has stepped forward to admit his responsibility. But he's trying to dive on the grenade, to take the full responsibility for this whole fraudulent, dishonest, disgusting act.

I'm not buying it. And neither are the folks who first fingered him -- Rusty, Ace, Dan Riehl, and Patterico -- who has a reader who pointed out this story showing a direct connection between Obama's Chief Media Strategist, David Axelrod, and Chuck "cnwinner" Winner.

The first brick has come loose from the wall. There are more coming.

I'm feeling wildly optimistic. I'll give David Axelrod until next Friday to resign from the Obama campaign.


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Comments (58)

I'm not holding my breath.<... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

I'm not holding my breath.

It isn't just that the media is in the tank for Obama. Its that people are willing to believe blatantly biased and one sided stories. Before their done, even with the confession, this will be blamed on the 'republican smear machine'.

I have to say that I'm not ... (Below threshold)

I have to say that I'm not feeling horribly optimistic myself. I was excited when the story was first posted, but it's gotten very little play overall, even among right-wingers. Drudge never gave it even a minor headline and I don't think Rush mentioned it. Plenty of right-wing bloggers did, but it faded from the tops of their pages all day. Needless to say, the MSM never even came close to touching it.

I think there was something to it when it started. The circumstantial evidence against Axelrod is about as powerful as circumstantial evidence can be. Ethan S. Winner may be blood, but it's the blood of a chipmunk in the grand scheme of things, and no matter how much we shake it and hold it up and beat our chests, it will still be a chipmunk.

If a solid connection between Axelrod and the Obama campaign can't be drawn, then the story will die and we need to move on.

"And I'm willing to wage... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

"And I'm willing to wager that she never will submit that invoice, because that would identify her.."

I bet somebody recognizes her voice. Find out who she is and find out just how she got hired to do this in the first place. Keep digging bloggers. The MSM won't.

Axelrod won't resign over t... (Below threshold)
Andrew X:

Axelrod won't resign over this.

JOE BIDEN will resign over this. 'Course, he had nothing to do with it.... but..... hellllooo.... not the point!

If he published lies on the... (Below threshold)
epador:

If he published lies on the internet and doesn't come squeaky clean in his "apology" then you know his apology is a lie. Unless you are [enter list of WB trolls and hopey changey minions].

Can we start prosecuting pe... (Below threshold)
Eric F:

Can we start prosecuting people for libel, please? Now?

Yawn........... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Yawn........

Lemme get this straight JFO... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

Lemme get this straight JFO.

Spreading deliberate lies that may well be breaking FEC laws elicits only a yawn. And Palin wearing a Pat Buchanan campaign pin, as a courtesy, is GROUNDBREAKING?!?!?!

Did you get dropped on your head as a baby... and as a kid... and as a teen... and yesterday?

Palin's membership cannot b... (Below threshold)
bradley:

Palin's membership cannot be disproved either. Her political mentor (Hickel) is a member, her husband was a member until becoming "undeclared" while she was running for statewide office in 2006, the vice chair told Southern separatists last year she was only pretending to be republican to "get along to go along" and they too should "infiltrate" the parties, and the chairperson for the group first told the press she was a member (before claiming to be confused about their most prominent member). Then, this year, Palin tells them she too hopes for a "self sufficient" Alaska, and "Keep up the good work!" McCain's denial just isn't believable.

"Palin's membership cannot ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

"Palin's membership cannot be disproved either"

I have a signed statement from Barrack Obama stating he is a Muslin extremist working to overthrow the US and turn it into a puppet state for Iran.

Please disprove it.

IDIOT.

ExSubI'm glad you ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

ExSub

I'm glad you brought up this issue of lies and are just, like many of you from the right, so outraged that someone would actually lie about McCain or St Sarah. In the first place there is a real question about her and the First St Dude's connection to the organization mentioned. But since St Sarah and the First St Dude don't have the cajones to take questions in an open setting those questions will remain legitimate.

In the second place Jay Tea is so obsessed with his hatred of Obama that he will throw logic to the wind and reason, that because he hates Obama so much, that allegations that his campaign were behind the video must JUST be true dammit!!

In the third place this outrage by the right is ridiculous on its face. The McCain/St. Sarah Leo-O-Meter goers into the redline on a daily basis. Is he were a catholic and went to confession she'd be still doing her acts of contrition and hail marys for just the bridge to nowhere lie.

The great republican/conservative movement has now gotten us to a place where our market economy is collapsing; the socialism you folks hate so much is coming to corporate America. And what are you outraged about? Alleged lies that Jay fervently hopes can be tied to Obama.

I's the old trick where when the subject is bad for you, just change the subject. I think the American people in general don't give a sh*** about personality politics which is all the right has anymore. What they care about is this incredible potential disaster looming in front of us and how it's going to be stopped and repaired. And that's just one issue.

Apologies for the typos abo... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Apologies for the typos above....

You know when I think about St Sarah's video welcome to this separatist group I wonder if Abraham Lincoln, had there bee video, would have done the same for the souther secessionist conventions when they seceded from the Union.

Ethan Winner confessed to d... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Ethan Winner confessed to drawing on the wall with a crayon when he was three and this is why we must vote against Obama.

Leo-O-Meter goers into t... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Leo-O-Meter goers into the redline on a daily basis.

Leo-O-Meter? What the hell is that?

The great republican/conservative movement has now gotten us to a place where our market economy is collapsing;

Is it too much to ask that you stick to the topic, dumbass? What do you think about the topic? Or do you think?

There's a cozy bridge waiti... (Below threshold)

There's a cozy bridge waiting for anyone that claims that "our market economy is collapsing". Paraphrasing Larry Kudlow:

-The stock market is still over 10,000. In late 2002 it was 7,500 and in mid-1982 it was 750.

-Foreclosures today are less than 3 percent. During the 1930s they were 50 percent.

-The unemployment rate is 6.1 percent. Back in 1982 it was near 11 percent and for most of the 1930s it was over 20 percent.

-As the oil bubble pops the underlying inflation rate is somewhere between 2 and 3 percent -- quite unlike the double-digit hyperinflation of the 1970s.

-Home prices themselves have fallen between 10 and 20 percent, but they're still about 50 percent higher than at the start of the decade.

Talk about stuck on stupid...

I'll never understand why s... (Below threshold)

I'll never understand why so many expect signs of intelligence from Jackasses For Obama.

I's the old trick where ... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

I's the old trick where when the subject is bad for you, just change the subject.

Yep, that would describe you and the rest of the Obamatrolls running around perfectly.

Meanwhile, we see Obama changing rapidly into a failed old-style Democrat with less consistency than Kerry and less personality than Gore, and less hope of being President than either of them.

Keep up the good work!

JFO is a scream. I really e... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

JFO is a scream. I really enjoy reading his comments. They convince me more then anything else that the left is just motivated by hate and self loathing. JFO thinks so poorly of the american spirit that he thinks the sky is falling. I on the other hand, do not focus on the problem of any king, only on solutions. Obama and his robots only like listing problems, never solutions. They like blaming instead of performing. They are in effect, children. ww

Drug trafficers long ago ad... (Below threshold)

Drug trafficers long ago adopted the practice of having young kids hold the drugs, ferry the cash, and stake out the drug drops. The young kids get caught and generally get a slap on the wrist ["Hey, they're just KIDS!"]...while the drug kingpins walk away!

The Obama campaign has just adopted this technique for 2008.

Hacking into Sarah Palin's email to attempt to destroy her and influence the election??? Oops...it was just a KID...nothing to see here!

Astroturfing a vicious attack on Sarah Palin??? Damn...it's another one of those wacky YOUNG PEOPLE...nothing to see here!

in each case the MSM walks away muttering: "Kids, ya know?"

The bottom line is that wha... (Below threshold)

The bottom line is that what Axelrod did, whether encouraged by the formal Obama campaign or not, was dishonest, manipulative and just plain WRONG. What part of immoral behavior do you Obama supporters not get? No, no, no - the end does NOT justify the means and if you truly think that it does, then there is absolutely no hope for you people because you are hopelessly degenerate and worthless.

Cute Rodney.... I like that... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Cute Rodney.... I like that.

I can see thruthiness does get you folks all upset.


Gayle -You have to... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Gayle -

You have to understand that to the left, all morality and ethical behavior is completely subservient to two parameters.

1. Does it help me get what I want, regardless of the ethical nature of the behavior?

2. Do I stand a chance of getting caught?

It's all situational. They'd scream loud and long if anyone did it to Obama - but this? They snicker at how cool they are and how stupid conservatives are - and they're not winning any friends at ALL with this sort of garbage.

Mr. Winner says:"m... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Mr. Winner says:

"my family began to receive threatening and abusive phone calls and emails"

I suppose the threats were orchestrated by Obama too.

And you believe he was gett... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

And you believe he was getting threats?

Within an HOUR of someone catching onto his little scam?

I suppose you could interpret questioning emails and calls that inquire why you're doing something you're doing as threatening. Not saying he didn't get them, either - but from what I've seen on the web, a Republican's far more likely to get threatening emails and calls from Democrats than a Democrat would be from Republicans.

JLawson,I'd bet th... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

JLawson,

I'd bet that the threats and abuse was coming directly from Axelrod himself.

JFO, what the fuck would yo... (Below threshold)

JFO, what the fuck would you consider "proof" about Palin's non-membership? We have actual legal documents from the state of Alaska -- documents it is a FELONY to forge -- that Palin has been a registered member of the Republican party from the first time she was eligible to vote. We have the leadership of the AIP stating they have NO documents asserting Sarah Palin EVER belonged to their party.

This is about as much bullshit as the Obama birth certificate story. But if you wanna start applying the same standards to that document as you seem to want to apply to Palin's voter registration records, that's fine with me.

No, it isn't. I'm not gonna play the tit-for-tat game with you. Instead, I'm going to remember that before Rodney came up with Jackasses For Obama, I tried to hang Just Fucking Obtuse on you.

J.

Yawn........7... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:
Yawn........

7. Posted by JFO

Yawns are often manifestations of nervousness. Nice to see.

Ethan Winner confessed to drawing on the wall with a crayon when he was three and this is why we must vote against Obama.

13. Posted by Adrian Browne

Non-sequitur and just, well, stupid. Try to stay with the conversation Adrian.

Mr. Winner says:

"my family began to receive threatening and abusive phone calls and emails"

I suppose the threats were orchestrated by Obama too.

23. Posted by Adrian Browne

So, you believe him about the threatening phone calls but nothing else?

"Mr. Winner, this is the AP... did you, in fact post this video?"
"You're threatening and abusing me!" *click*

Seriously Adrian, if you've got nothing, save us all some time and write nothing. I find it taxing just to talk down to you.


<a href="http://cannoneerno... (Below threshold)
I'd bet that the threats... (Below threshold)
Clay:

I'd bet that the threats and abuse was coming directly from Axelrod himself.

LOL. I'm picturing Axelrod in an apoplectic state. Pretty much the current state of the trolls here.

It's entertaining to watch these Obama-lovers as their prospects continue to diminish. They start nitpicking about Winner's threats, and ignoring Palin's registration as a lifelong Republican. Meanwhile, their discussions about the NYT's investigations of Obama are just damned funny.

I hope and pray that Rusty continues his investigation and that a link is discovered to Axelrod. That would be a very good day.

Jay TeaSpeaking of... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Jay Tea

Speaking of obtuse....here's what I said:

"In the first place there is a real question about her and the First St Dude's connection to the organization mentioned. But since St Sarah and the First St Dude don't have the cajones to take questions in an open setting those questions will remain legitimate."

Even you can probably define "connection."

Now that we've cleared that up why don't you try posting about an issue that means something? Oh I forgot the folks you support don't have anything... well at least today they have something that contradicts yesterday or tomorrow they'll have something that contradicts what they said today......... Talk about a "Bridge to Nowhere" - that should be the slogan of McBush, St Sarah and of course "The First Dude."

"Mr. Winner, this is the... (Below threshold)
Tim:

"Mr. Winner, this is the AP... did you, in fact post this video?"
"You're threatening and abusing me!" *click*

Oh, c'mon, SOTG. You know the AP is never going to check out this story.

Gee, its too bad Obama can'... (Below threshold)

Gee, its too bad Obama can't prove he didn't violate the Logan Act.

Oh, c'mon, SOTG. Y... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:
Oh, c'mon, SOTG. You know the AP is never going to check out this story.

31. Posted by Tim

Well, it was wishful thinking... Maybe if they think Rusty is the head of a VRWC smear job on poor Mr. Winnir, they'd follow up?

JFO:Using your def... (Below threshold)
Paul Duffau:

JFO:

Using your definition of "connection", Obama is a Muslim based on his connection to Basuki school in Indonesia.

Based on his "connection" to Ayers, Obama is a terrorist.

Based on his connection to Wright, Obama is a American-hating racist.

Shall we continue playing by your rules? I'm starting to have fun...

JLawson:May I sugg... (Below threshold)
Paul Duffau:

JLawson:

May I suggest a change to rule 2? Instead "do I stand any chance of being caught?", I think it should be "Will I suffer any consequence if I'm caught?"

JFO - "Even you can pro... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO - "Even you can probably define "connection."

And NOW you're talking about connections, tenuous as they may be in support the AIP crapola?!

Excuse me, but aren't you of the ilk that have decried, derided, and generally all round sh*t your pampers over any connections from Obama and rev. wright?

P.S. JFO, Sh*t for brains d... (Below threshold)
marc:

P.S. JFO, Sh*t for brains doesn't cover it.

Y'all have to read JFO as y... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Y'all have to read JFO as you would a comedian. He is not worth taking seriously. His ability to grasp serious issues is not only lacking but non existent. ww

Holy crap, JFO. The right ... (Below threshold)

Holy crap, JFO. The right is ridiculous for being angry about a carefully laid plan to "astroturf" a video that tells an outright lie about Palin and when it's exposed as such all you have is, "...there is a real question about her and the First St Dude's connection to the organization mentioned."

And then you suggest that a post specifically about Winner is akin to "changing the subject" and is an "old trick", then in a further comment suggest Jay change the very subject being discussed (which you participated in) to "an issue that means something".

Something tells me if this were the other way around, you'd have a very different take on it.

You aren't satisfied with the fact that Palin has never been a member and desire to know just how far her alleged involvement went with AIP = legitimate. But our concern with whether Winner may have been involved with Axlerod because of the very nature of the tactic, which is an Axlerod signature tactic = not legitimate. Do I have that about right?

Oyster - "Do I have tha... (Below threshold)
marc:

Oyster - "Do I have that about right?"

Yes, right all but one part.

You omitted the "object stuck in ears and lalalalalalala" part.

Palin's membership... (Below threshold)
Palin's membership cannot be disproved either.

Sorry, dude. You got all your information from Jake Tapper who jumped on this with all the glee of a of a cheerleader, then had to update when it was indeed disproven. I guess you didn't check back, eh?

This one really slayed me:

...the vice chair told Southern separatists last year she was only pretending to be republican to "get along to go along" and they too should "infiltrate" the parties,...

Go that? Sarah Palin has "infiltrated" the Republican Party. Imagine that. Not only that, but she planned it from the age of 18 when she registered Republican. *cuckoo*

One last point, JFO: the vi... (Below threshold)

One last point, JFO: the video in question did NOT say that Palin was "connected" to the AIP, but a MEMBER. If you're downgrading the connection to a mere "connection," then I presume it's safe to assume you agree that the video is an out-and-out lie?

Thanks for playing. Your hostess has some lovely parting gifts. Sorry, we're fresh out of Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco Treat, but we have FOUR cases of Turtle Wax!

J.

Well lets see, the Governor... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Well lets see, the Governor of Alaska warmly welcomes a separatist party to its convention ; the husband was indisputably a member; she attended conventions; there is a video of the head of the party stating that she was a member.

Those factual connections are are somewhat stronger than JT's logic of I can't stand Obama so I want him to be behind the nasty video, ergo he is.

But then I know you'd rather weep and wail about this crap than defend whatever it is your candidate of choice has decided he's for or against or maybe both, today, yesterday, tomorrow, five, ten or twenty years ago.

He claims he received threa... (Below threshold)

He claims he received threatening calls, yet the video was pulled 10 minutes or so after the Jawas hit him. At midnight or so on Monday morning.

"...there is a video of ... (Below threshold)

"...there is a video of the head of the party stating that she was a member." Oh, you mean Lynette Clark who recanted it later upon discovering that Palin was indeed not ever a member and blamed it on another member for saying so?

Oyster:But at leas... (Below threshold)

Oyster:

But at least Tapper corrected himself. Unlike WAPO, who criticized Maverick for using WAPO as a source.

JFO - "there is a video... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO - "there is a video of the head of the party stating that she was a member."

What, you missed the NYT retracting their story claiming that as fact when it wasn't fact, it was fiction?

JFO - "But then I know you'd rather weep and wail about this crap than defend whatever it is your candidate of choice has decided he's for or against or maybe both, today, yesterday, tomorrow, five, ten or twenty years ago."

If you're going to weep and wail about a story that isn't true maybe your time will be better spent defending your VP selection.

I mean really is he a VP candidate, or a poison pill for Obama?

While "spending time" you can also explain this new Obama ad that slams McCain for owning 13 cars and notes, OMG, some of them are "foreign!!"

What the ad doesn't tell you is 3 of McCains cars are NEV Gem electric vehicles and one owned by his daughter is a hybrid and a 4th is a Volkswagon.(hardly a gas guzzler)

Oh, BTW, Obama's vehicle of choice? A Toyota Prius.

OysterHmmm....a vi... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Oyster

Hmmm....a video made before this whole thing became an issue in which Mr Clark states clearly St. Sarah was a member of the party. St. Sarah's husband St. First Dude is indisputably a member. St Sarah warmly welcomes these goofballs to their convention.

It becomes an issue and voila Mrs Clark recants Mr. Clark's claim and there you have it. Couldn't have been true.

Pssst...I have a bridge in the desert for sale, I'm sure you'd like to buy it.

JFO - "Pssst...I have a... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO - "Pssst...I have a bridge in the desert for sale, I'm sure you'd like to buy it.

Is that a bridge before you decided to sell it, or after?

MarcI know that yo... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Marc

I know that you're really slow sometimes but for a car guy even you might recognize Obama's vehicle as a FORD. Quit sucking up all those exhaust fumes will ya. I'm worried for you.http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/report-mccain-h.html

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Cannoneer No. 4:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingRight/ASKShow

Dr. Rusty Shackleford and his team at The Jawa Report have published an expose about the Obama campaign that is WHITE HOT. It is so explosive and so detailed, you need to clear your desk, pour a cup of coffee, hold your calls for the next twenty minutes, and be prepared to get educated. It is going "viral" on the internet, and just a news cycle away from hitting the cable news outlets. Tuesday night at 9 ET, Shackleford joins us to tell how his team researched the story about a world renowned PR firm behind a cynical plot to destroy GOP VP nominee Sarah Palin's reputation and candidacy. Was this public relations and image management firm connected to the Obama campaign? Shackleford connects the dots and lets you decide.
Schedule

9/24/2008 9:00 PM Eastern

Never claimed I wasn't slow... (Below threshold)
marc:

Never claimed I wasn't slow, so in the end you point out the obvious. However, various reports say he has a Toyota, others claim it's a Chysler 300 and still others, as you point out a Ford.

Take your pick, until either of us see his name on a bill of sale we're both guessing and depending on a media that in large part SUCKS.

But lets run that premise shall we? At a recent town hall meeting in his home state he was seen leaving in a GMC Envoy SUV.

When asked to explain why he was using such a large car Tommy Vietor, Senator Obama's press secretary, explained: "The vehicle senator Obama travels in while in illinois is a Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV), which can run on e85, a blended fuel made of 85 percent ethanol.

"So he in fact was practicing what he preached at the town hall meeting when he said we must drive fewer gas-guzzling vehicles."

There's a problem with that, the GMC Envoy isn't one of GM's ethanol capable vehicles.

Additionaly, he's tooling around in a vehicle that has contributed to raising prices for all corn based products AND by extension supports the massive and idiotic subsidies to Big Farm.

OK Adrian. We've seen the ... (Below threshold)
epador:

OK Adrian. We've seen the video. We've seen him lying on video. We've seen the evidence linking him to the video. We've seen the confession.. but have we seen evidence of the "threats?"

I have to say that... (Below threshold)
I have to say that I'm not feeling horribly optimistic myself. I was excited when the story was first posted, but it's gotten very little play overall, even among right-wingers. Drudge never gave it even a minor headline and I don't think Rush mentioned it. Plenty of right-wing bloggers did, but it faded from the tops of their pages all day. Needless to say, the MSM never even came close to touching it.

Rielle Hunter.

EPIC FAIL:John McCai... (Below threshold)
Peter:

EPIC FAIL:
John McCain worked for Winner & Associates in 2002:

http://www.metafilter.com/75113/EPIC-FAIL-The-Astroturf-is-always-greener-on-the-other-side

"It becomes an issue and... (Below threshold)

"It becomes an issue and voila Mrs Clark recants Mr. Clark's claim and there you have it. Couldn't have been true."

Look JFO, if you don't believe that Ms. Clark was wrong the first time, just say so and quit the conspiratorial innuendo. Those that still insist she was a member need to prove it and quit demanding that others prove a negative.

Especially, Oyster, when th... (Below threshold)

Especially, Oyster, when that negative has already been proven -- the release of Palin's complete voter registratio records, that show she has been a Republican since 1982, and never left the party even once.

J.

Yeha, but Jay, she was s... (Below threshold)

Yeha, but Jay, she was secretly involved dontcha know. Why Ms. Clark may even have been threatened, or something, into recanting her assertion.

The fact of the matter is that "some" members of AIP actually do support secession. Many are against it. There's a wide array of beliefs in that party just like any other party. So naturally it's assumed that Palin's secret involvement was with the secessionists.

Her speeches to the AIP are generic and in no way reminiscent of any desire for secession or show support of individuals in the party who desire secession.

It's all just horseshit.




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