He's challenging Obama to suspend his as well because, as McCain said, first and foremost they are senators and their constituents elected them to do their jobs. This is a national crisis and at this point the Paulson's proposal is struggling in Congress, so it's time to put the campaign on hold and do the right thing. McCain is also asking the debate commission to postpone Friday's debate.
So, what will Barack Obama do?
Here's the story from the AP. A portion:
In a statement, McCain says he will stop campaigning after addressing former President Bill Clinton's Global Initiative session on Thursday and return to Washington to focus on the nation's financial problems.
McCain's motto is Country First. This is a man who talks the talk and walks the walk. I'm very proud of him.
Update: Obama went on camera a few minutes ago and said that he will not suspend his campaign and will show up at the debate because presidents need to be able to multi-task.
Right.
Well, Senator Obama is not yet president. He is still the junior senator from Illinois, a position for which he is still being paid. This just goes to show that Senator Obama didn't run for the senate seat to be a senator; he ran for the senate seat to run for president. He has decided that running for president is more important than doing his job.
Lorie adds: Here is McCain's full statement:
John McCain's Remarks on the Economic Crisis New York, NY Wednesday, September 24, 2008America this week faces an historic crisis in our financial system. We must pass legislation to address this crisis. If we do not, credit will dry up, with devastating consequences for our economy. People will no longer be able to buy homes and their life savings will be at stake. Businesses will not have enough money to pay their employees. If we do not act, ever corner of our country will be impacted. We cannot allow this to happen.
Last Friday, I laid out my proposal and I have since discussed my priorities and concerns with the bill the Administration has put forward. Senator Obama has expressed his priorities and concerns. This morning, I met with a group of economic advisers to talk about the proposal on the table and the steps that we should take going forward. I have also spoken with members of Congress to hear their perspective.
It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support the Administration's proposal. I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time.
Tomorrow morning, I will suspend my campaign and return to Washington after speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative. I have spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision and have asked him to join me.
I am calling on the President to convene a meeting with the leadership from both houses of Congress, including Senator Obama and myself. It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem.
We must meet as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans, and we must meet until this crisis is resolved. I am directing my campaign to work with the Obama campaign and the commission on presidential debates to delay Friday night's debate until we have taken action to address this crisis.
I am confident that before the markets open on Monday we can achieve consensus on legislation that will stabilize our financial markets, protect taxpayers and homeowners, and earn the confidence of the American people. All we must do to achieve this is temporarily set politics aside, and I am committed to doing so.
Following September 11th, our national leaders came together at a time of crisis. We must show that kind of patriotism now. Americans across our country lament the fact that partisan divisions in Washington have prevented us from addressing our national challenges. Now is our chance to come together to prove that Washington is once again capable of leading this country.
Kevin adds: Video of the announcement...
Lorie: Bob Owens likes Ray Robison's idea about sending Sarah Palin to Friday's debate in McCain's place. That is a fun scenario to imagine, but McCain's foreign policy debate is probably the best forum he will have to talk to the American people on his strongest issue and I can't imagine him giving that up. I will be surprised if he doesn't show up if the debate does go on as planned. I can see him whisking in at the last minute on his plane. Maybe he should have Palin ready to stand in, just in case.
I just watched Barack Obama's statement on McCain's decision to return to DC and to suspend his campaign and have a couple of observations. First, it seems pretty ridiculous for Obama to argue that he won't suspend his campaign because presidents have to be able to multitask, considering everytime a hurricane approaches Democrats expect George Bush to fly in to oversee the cleanup. Second, it is now impossible for me to listen to Obama without hearing every "uh" and "ah." It is maddening. Before people started joking about the "Wizard of Uhs" I didn't notice them so much, but now it seems he "uhs" and "ahs" every other word when not on teleprompter. I didn't count them, but there had to be dozens in that one statement this evening alone.






Comments (87)
I'll sum this up for the tr... (Below threshold)1. Posted by 185C | September 24, 2008 3:01 PM | Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
I'll sum this up for the trolls here. This is called leadership.
1. Posted by 185C | September 24, 2008 3:01 PM |
Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:01
2. Posted by Lorie Byrd | September 24, 2008 3:01 PM | Score: 13 (13 votes cast)
I really hope they don't postpone the debate, but if Obama goes to DC they will have to. He has only been cramming for it for three days and unless they let him bring his teleprompter, he is going to need more time than that. If Obama goes along with this it will sure make him look like a follower, a follower of John McCain no less. This one will be interesting.
2. Posted by Lorie Byrd | September 24, 2008 3:01 PM |
Score: 13 (13 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:01
3. Posted by Clint | September 24, 2008 3:04 PM | Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Don't worry.
The national press will lead with the new headline tomorrow:
"John McCain Politicizes Financial Crisis"
Then the Obama camp will put pressure on the U.S. Senate to revoke McCain's "invitation" to the Senate. Perhaps they'll threaten the Senate with the loss of its tax-exempt status?
3. Posted by Clint | September 24, 2008 3:04 PM |
Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:04
4. Posted by Rovin | September 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Score: 13 (13 votes cast)
John McCain-----puts the Country First---again.
4. Posted by Rovin | September 24, 2008 3:06 PM |
Score: 13 (13 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:06
5. Posted by P. Bunyan | September 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
I hope Obama stays away. America is a lot better off with him on the campaign trail (or in this rehearsing his debate answers) than with him in the Senate.
5. Posted by P. Bunyan | September 24, 2008 3:10 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:10
6. Posted by P. Bunyan | September 24, 2008 3:12 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
D'oh-
I meant "in this case rehearsing..."
6. Posted by P. Bunyan | September 24, 2008 3:12 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:12
7. Posted by GarandFan | September 24, 2008 3:12 PM | Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Team Obama is probably scratching their heads at the moment, saying "WTF!. What do we do now? We can't send this jerkoff back to the senate, he'll say or do something stupid. Like vote 'Present'."
7. Posted by GarandFan | September 24, 2008 3:12 PM |
Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:12
8. Posted by SueM | September 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
I'm very proud of him. He is exactly the kind of man who should be running this country.
Go John!!
8. Posted by SueM | September 24, 2008 3:15 PM |
Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:15
9. Posted by 185C | September 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Score: 14 (14 votes cast)
If they still want to hold the debate, just have Palin stand in. Even if she loses, it'll be completely embarrassing for nObama.
9. Posted by 185C | September 24, 2008 3:15 PM |
Score: 14 (14 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:15
10. Posted by Pretzel Logic | September 24, 2008 3:16 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
"present"
10. Posted by Pretzel Logic | September 24, 2008 3:16 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:16
11. Posted by Clint | September 24, 2008 3:18 PM | Score: 12 (12 votes cast)
Unfortunately, no way Obama agrees.
11. Posted by Clint | September 24, 2008 3:18 PM |
Score: 12 (12 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:18
12. Posted by Falze | September 24, 2008 3:25 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Hmmm...wondering how much of this is posturing? He (and presumably Obama), the current titular heads of their parties, both stop the most important political event of the year and screw up everybody's schedule re: the debates to deal with the Congressional refusal to act. How much of this is designed to get Congress to get their rears in gear tomorrow so they don't need to interrupt the campaigns. Plus, yeah, McCain looks all 'country-first-ish'.
12. Posted by Falze | September 24, 2008 3:25 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:25
13. Posted by Eric | September 24, 2008 3:25 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
The meme about the debates will be that McCain is too afraid to debate Obama.
13. Posted by Eric | September 24, 2008 3:25 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:25
14. Posted by Therese | September 24, 2008 3:25 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
I agree. John McCain is really showing great leadership! How can anyone even think of voting for Obama? But, you know that the MSM will try to spin it in favor of Obama. They are working on the "spin" now and then Obama will issue his response with the "spin" in it. Then, be prepared, the liberal trolls will come around with the "spin" for the blogs.
14. Posted by Therese | September 24, 2008 3:25 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:25
15. Posted by irongrampa | September 24, 2008 3:28 PM | Score: 9 (11 votes cast)
And once more McCain demonstrates "Country First".
15. Posted by irongrampa | September 24, 2008 3:28 PM |
Score: 9 (11 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:28
16. Posted by Peter F. | September 24, 2008 3:32 PM | Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Balls. Big 'Country First' balls.
16. Posted by Peter F. | September 24, 2008 3:32 PM |
Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:32
17. Posted by Dee | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
I dare Obama or the MSM to try to say that McCain is "scared" to debate Obama. Please. McCain asked him to do town hall debates all summer and Obama said no. Even after saying he would debate John McCain anywhere, anytime, etc. To say McCain is scared is laugable, particularly on foreign policy.
Nope, try again.
17. Posted by Dee | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM |
Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:33
18. Posted by Mycroft | September 24, 2008 3:36 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Poor Nobama, that hadda hurt. This is a class act, and no matter what Nobama does, this one is gonna leave a mark.
18. Posted by Mycroft | September 24, 2008 3:36 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:36
19. Posted by Rovin | September 24, 2008 3:42 PM | Score: 9 (11 votes cast)
Obama's been away from Washington so long, he'll probably have to go thur freshman orientation just to find his way around the chambers. They should also alert the security guards so we don't have another McKinney moment.
19. Posted by Rovin | September 24, 2008 3:42 PM |
Score: 9 (11 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:42
20. Posted by Rich | September 24, 2008 3:49 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Someone on the radio called in and said the Obama campaign claimed they had called McCain first thing this morning about it. This person said they heard it on Fox. ??
20. Posted by Rich | September 24, 2008 3:49 PM |
Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:49
21. Posted by Matt | September 24, 2008 3:51 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
I totally understand that this is a "Country-First" moment for John McCain.
However, it is also a nice political win-win for McCain, even if not considered as such by his campaign. It provides McCain a better chance to get his message out than a debate with Obama. It also makes Obama look like a light-weight, forcing him to adjust his campaigni plans, yet again.
21. Posted by Matt | September 24, 2008 3:51 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:51
22. Posted by Larry | September 24, 2008 3:51 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Obama has already said he made the first call. Right. . .
I don't care who did it. This is a truly nonpartisan problem. Both Republicans and Democrats share the blame for this one folks.
And the bottom line is that if credit dries up, so does America for reasons I have posted to other threads on this blog. Sorry for those who want to use ideology to solve this one, it won't work. How we got to where we are is partially based on ideology partially based on greed, partially based on stupid and partially based on a lack of information from mainstream media.
How we get out of this mess is going to take the best minds we have to do it. And that includes the nominees of both parties.
Not that I am a cynic or anything like that, but I just wonder if the Presidential Debate will in fact be held and all of the noise and trip to Washington prevents Obama from memorizing his lines, which means an advantage to McCain, who probably doesn't need prep time, or? Oh, shame on me... *grin8
If the financial markets get the idea something positive won't happen, the Dow will go in the tank, credit will dry up for even such companies as McDonalds (according to Fox) and we slide into a depression.
Anyone want that?
22. Posted by Larry | September 24, 2008 3:51 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:51
23. Posted by Falze | September 24, 2008 3:59 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Anticipated response from Obama camp: "We don't know why John McCain would 'hurry back' to Washington since he doesn't know anything about economics and his party is 100% responsible for this mess to begin with. And did we mention...he's old?"
Anticipated response from Obama: "I don't know who issued that earlier comment, it was probably some GOP operative dressed as my spokesman. I am 100% in agreement with Senator McCain that dealing with this crisis comes first *FZZZT*. Uh. I mean, what I mean to say...uh. That is, it was my idea to begin with. After all, I'm on all the finance committees and uh, stuff. Yeah yeah, I'm getting to it - uh. Yeah, so we're going to go, yeah. I've been telling people to do it already. So, uh. We're gonna let Freddie Fae know that uh, the American taxpayers are not parachutes made of gold!"
[That sound was, of course, Obama's portaprompter shorting out from overuse]
23. Posted by Falze | September 24, 2008 3:59 PM |
Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 15:59
24. Posted by Justrand
| September 24, 2008 4:01 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
McCain '07: "I would rather lose and election than lose a war!"
Now, with just weeks until the election, McCain is effectively saying: "I would rather lose an election than lose our ecomony!"
Obama? THIS from the Obama camp:
"Obama is willing to return to Washington "if it would be helpful." But Obama intends to debate on Friday
IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL??? WTF??? You're ONE out of 100 Senators...it is actually your JOB to do "helpful" things on behalf of the American public.
IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL???
24. Posted by Justrand
| September 24, 2008 4:01 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:01
25. Posted by Scrapiron | September 24, 2008 4:17 PM | Score: 4 (12 votes cast)
McCain proves again that America and the American people's welfare come first with him. The POS Hussein O proves he cares nothing about anyone or anything other than himself. He has the mind of a Pre-school student with the Me, Me, Me attitude.
25. Posted by Scrapiron | September 24, 2008 4:17 PM |
Score: 4 (12 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:17
26. Posted by Clay | September 24, 2008 4:19 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Obama supporter and chief debate negotiator Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., told MSNBC that "we can handle both," when asked about his reaction to McCain's call to postpone the first debate because of the administration's bailout plan.
There you have a snapshot of each candidates priorities when confronted with what leaders of both parties have characterized as the single biggest crisis presently facing these United States. One candidate wants to continue ignoring the job for which he was elected, in favor of campaigning for the job that he wants. The other candidates recognizes a need to honor the trust that was given to him by the voters of the state of Arizona.
26. Posted by Clay | September 24, 2008 4:19 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:19
27. Posted by Scrapiron | September 24, 2008 4:21 PM | Score: 3 (9 votes cast)
McCain can give the same speach to the Senate in 2005 when he warned the congress that this disaster was coming. The vote results, 100% of the democrats voted against stopping the disaster, 100% of the republicans voted to stop the disaster. The bill to stop the disaster failed because of the democrats vote.
27. Posted by Scrapiron | September 24, 2008 4:21 PM |
Score: 3 (9 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:21
28. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 4:24 PM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
FLASH - McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington, concedes election to ObamaMessiah - WizBang Blue. (Lee Ward)
28. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 4:24 PM |
Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:24
29. Posted by Justrand
| September 24, 2008 4:29 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Two days ago the Democrats forced those planning a huge rally to oppose ImaNutJob's speech at the U.N. to CANCEL the rally for PURELY POLITICAL REASONS.
Do we really expect Obama to put COUNTRY FIRST and help craft a NON-partisan approach to our financial crisis???
He'll just phone in "Present" from the campaign trail!
29. Posted by Justrand
| September 24, 2008 4:29 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:29
30. Posted by Steve G | September 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
For those who may try to say that John McCain is afraid to debate...just remember that he asked Obama to do Townhalls...and Obama said no!
Maybe JM will ask him again? Let's hope!
30. Posted by Steve G | September 24, 2008 4:30 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:30
31. Posted by JFO | September 24, 2008 4:32 PM | Score: -16 (20 votes cast)
Actually the smart thing for McCain to do is stay as far away from Washington as he can get.
Tell me will he still argue that the "economy is fundamentally sound"? Or will he continue to argue that his twin brother, the (p)resident, should fire the head of the SEC, someone he has no authority to fire. Or will he argue that we should have rescued AIG which of course he argued we shouldn't? Or will re reiterate that "I don't know much about the economy."? Or will he argue that he's a populist and like the rest of the middle class because after all you have to make more than 5 million dollars to be rich. Or will he say he feels our pain because he has trouble finding some of his 7 homes and 13 automobiles?
But then the alternative is he might have to defend all these positions in an actual debate. Unless of course he were to send St Sarah who, of course, would refuse to answer any questions.
31. Posted by JFO | September 24, 2008 4:32 PM |
Score: -16 (20 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:32
32. Posted by P. Bunyan | September 24, 2008 4:46 PM | Score: 5 (9 votes cast)
Thanks JFO, for confirming that McCain is doing the right thing.
32. Posted by P. Bunyan | September 24, 2008 4:46 PM |
Score: 5 (9 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:46
33. Posted by Falze | September 24, 2008 4:49 PM | Score: 7 (11 votes cast)
Good flailing, JFO. Get your hands up a little higher next time and a bit more flapping.
33. Posted by Falze | September 24, 2008 4:49 PM |
Score: 7 (11 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:49
34. Posted by jmc | September 24, 2008 4:51 PM | Score: -15 (15 votes cast)
Looks like McCain is afraid to debate Obama. it is nice given he hasn't actually been to a vote since march that he thinks of returning. The only problem of course is he was infavor of the de-regulation that caused this mess.
34. Posted by jmc | September 24, 2008 4:51 PM |
Score: -15 (15 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:51
35. Posted by Clay | September 24, 2008 4:53 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Barry just said that both participating in providing the solution to the crisis and participating in a foreign policy debate demonstrates the ability of true leaders to focus on multiple problems at a time.
So...I can demonstrate my leadership in my family by telling my wife to call me if she needs me in the delivery room while she's having our baby. I'm kinda busy interviewing for some pretty sweet jobs.
35. Posted by Clay | September 24, 2008 4:53 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:53
36. Posted by Justrand
| September 24, 2008 4:55 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
WOW and OHMYGAWD!!!!
I just watched Obama make a "statement" that said NOTHING of substance...but did try to make a few political points. And he did NOT address the postponing of the debate and/or campaign in this statement. NOTHING!
He then called upon a reporter who was very obviously prepped to ask a specific question (Obama even smiled when it was asked): "John McCain wants to postpone the debate...do you think he did this to score political points?"
Then Obama addressed the topic by saying he WILL NOT PUT AMERICA FIRST...EVER!"
[ok...that's the translation...but it is EXACTLY what he meant!]
36. Posted by Justrand
| September 24, 2008 4:55 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:55
37. Posted by Clay | September 24, 2008 4:57 PM | Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
Looks like McCain is afraid to debate Obama.
Yep. That's what you should run with. We'll see how it works out, won't we?
37. Posted by Clay | September 24, 2008 4:57 PM |
Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 16:57
38. Posted by Les Nessman | September 24, 2008 5:12 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Gosh, how will the country survive a few days without campaigning for the first time in almost 2 years? s/
38. Posted by Les Nessman | September 24, 2008 5:12 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 17:12
39. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | September 24, 2008 5:18 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Yup, the comments from the story on DRUDGE have ranting lefturds calling McCain a "coward" for "avoiding" a debate with Obambi.
They do not realize that during the debates, there are NO TELEPROMPTERS and that McCain's suggestion saved them from scheduled humiliation.
Send Sarah instead?... Hell, my 8-year-old niece could splatter the walls with pieces of Barry in a debate.
39. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | September 24, 2008 5:18 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 17:18
40. Posted by Adrian Browne | September 24, 2008 5:21 PM | Score: -13 (15 votes cast)
Good Explanation of the McCain Campaign Strategy
40. Posted by Adrian Browne | September 24, 2008 5:21 PM |
Score: -13 (15 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 17:21
41. Posted by Chad | September 24, 2008 5:26 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Yeah, Wizbang Blue is already carrying the socialists water for him. And let the Obamamessiah's spin begin!
41. Posted by Chad | September 24, 2008 5:26 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 17:26
42. Posted by C2W | September 24, 2008 5:31 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Send in the Pitbull . . .
42. Posted by C2W | September 24, 2008 5:31 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 17:31
43. Posted by JFO | September 24, 2008 5:34 PM | Score: -14 (14 votes cast)
Th nl thng tht's chngd n th pst 48 hrs s tht MCCn's pll nmbrs hv tnkd.
pprntl th wrd s tht th dl s 98% dn - s McBsh s gng thr t d wht xctl? S t rll cll fr th 1st tm snc th dnsrs?
I'm tired of your bigotry against age JFO.
43. Posted by JFO | September 24, 2008 5:34 PM |
Score: -14 (14 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 17:34
44. Posted by SAHMmy | September 24, 2008 5:44 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Shows what you know, JFO. They don't have the votes for it without the pubs. And they don't have enough pubs on board as it stands.
McCain has a history (one that conservatives particularly don't care for actually) of getting bipartisan agreements in the Senate. Obama has a history of....voting "present". It's no wonder he doesn't think HE'D be of much help back in Washington.
If we go into a Depression I guess it doesn't matter all that much who is POTUS.
Wait. I really didn't mean that.
44. Posted by SAHMmy | September 24, 2008 5:44 PM |
Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 17:44
45. Posted by Rich | September 24, 2008 5:50 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
All those wisecracks about Bush not being in office now seempretty weak.
I am sure if Obama was there the republicans would have great deal to say about his involvement. As long as the portable telepromters did not get in the way.
45. Posted by Rich | September 24, 2008 5:50 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 17:50
46. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 6:02 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
A browne - "Good Explanation of the McCain Campaign Strategy"
A don't agree with your assertion ab, but will point you in this direction if only to show how clownish you and your mentor really are.
46. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 6:02 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 18:02
47. Posted by OregonMuse | September 24, 2008 6:25 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
From the comment section of one of Ace's entries:
Heh.
47. Posted by OregonMuse | September 24, 2008 6:25 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 18:25
48. Posted by Clay | September 24, 2008 6:45 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
BTW, Whatever happened to representation of the people? I would be absolutely livid if I resided in McCain's district and was being asked to fund a colossal bailout without representation.
McCain's decision is right, honorable, and American.
Period.
48. Posted by Clay | September 24, 2008 6:45 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 18:45
49. Posted by Peter F. | September 24, 2008 6:51 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Obama: "Deal with more than one thing at once"
Obama's Favorite Movie: "No Country For Men Who Can't Prioritize"
49. Posted by Peter F. | September 24, 2008 6:51 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 18:51
50. Posted by Peter F. | September 24, 2008 6:56 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Obama: "Deal with more than one thing at once"
Obama's Favorite Movie: "No Country For Men Who Can't Prioritize"
Aw, sheeeeeeee-it. I should leave the good quips to rodney dill or faustian. I missed the mark...
50. Posted by Peter F. | September 24, 2008 6:56 PM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 18:56
51. Posted by Clay | September 24, 2008 7:03 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
I should leave the good quips to rodney dill or faustian. I missed the mark...
I countered the negative vote with a positive. I gotcha covered, PF.
51. Posted by Clay | September 24, 2008 7:03 PM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 19:03
52. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 7:10 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
"IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL???"
Obama meant helpful to his campaign. He is going to unveil his miracle economic plan on Friday, because he'll have had enough time to work out any bugs in the teleprompter. That's no joke. If he is ready with a stable script, he'll go to Washington.
52. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 7:10 PM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 19:10
53. Posted by Brian | September 24, 2008 7:27 PM | Score: -3 (11 votes cast)
Ah, McCain's real purpose has now been made clear. He's using this as an excuse to cancel the VP debate until "later". More time for Palin to brush up on her foreign policy studies, since now even Laura Bush admits Palin has no experience there. Doesn't Mrs. Bush know that Palin can see Russia from her window?
53. Posted by Brian | September 24, 2008 7:27 PM |
Score: -3 (11 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 19:27
54. Posted by Larry | September 24, 2008 7:29 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
There are several ways to look at this. Obama tried to spin it to his advantage and it partially worked to an extent.
My take is that McCain, who has a history of working with the Democrats on legislation, might be of help. That said, Reid is trying to poison that well because McCain isn't just a Senator, he is running against Reid's party for President.
McCain might be able to twist enough Republican arms to get something through. Please remember that the Republicans have veto power in the Senate with their current numbers.
I am sitting here patiently waiting for some pundit to wake up. McCain's length of service and record simply mean he CAN make a difference. He is well respected. I noted that Joe Liberman had nice things to say earlier about McCain picking it up and going to Washington to do what he can.
On the other hand, I see no reason for Obama to go. Obama does NOT have a record for working across the aisle, yet he DOES have a history of politisizing the sun coming up and would therefor be totally useless.
Bottom line: McCain go, please. Obama, stay working on your foreign affairs stuff, you would be useless in Washington.
54. Posted by Larry | September 24, 2008 7:29 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 19:29
55. Posted by billy | September 24, 2008 7:54 PM | Score: -2 (6 votes cast)
cant vote for a quitter. i will be changing my vote to o'bama/o'biden today.
what happens when al qaeda attacks? would mcdepends ask them for a delay? fat chance. we need a real man in the white house who doesnt curl into the fetal position every time something bad happens.
55. Posted by billy | September 24, 2008 7:54 PM |
Score: -2 (6 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 19:54
56. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 8:01 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
"what happens when al qaeda attacks?"
billy, was your confused and clueless comment intentional and for entertainment purposes only?
56. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 8:01 PM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 20:01
57. Posted by McLame | September 24, 2008 8:15 PM | Score: -3 (5 votes cast)
And if Obama tried to weasel out of the debates, you morons here would be screaming bloody murder at what a coward he is.
But in wingnut land, everything is reversed. Not having any experience is a GOOD thing. McCain acting like senile grandpa is a GOOD thing. Having experience is a BAD thing.
God you people are stupid.
57. Posted by McLame | September 24, 2008 8:15 PM |
Score: -3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 20:15
58. Posted by hyperbolist | September 24, 2008 8:25 PM | Score: -6 (6 votes cast)
McCain wants to be *President*, not manager of a Taco Bell. Presidents don't have to multitask.
58. Posted by hyperbolist | September 24, 2008 8:25 PM |
Score: -6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 20:25
59. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 8:33 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
brian - "More time for Palin to brush up on her foreign policy studies"
And that's a bad thing brian?
That aside, an honest question for you, were you as concerned about (Silky Pony) Edwards lack of foreign policy experience as a VP candidate? (or Slick Willy's, or Carter's as a presidential candidate?)
P.S. You do have a link to a story that confirms Palin's debate is also canceled don't you?
Or is that one of your patented ass extractions?
59. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 8:33 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 20:33
60. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 8:36 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
hyper - "McCain wants to be *President*, not manager of a Taco Bell. Presidents don't have to multitask."
As don't asshatted Canucks.
60. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 8:36 PM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 20:36
61. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 8:40 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
hyper~
Now you're bragging about who gave you your "bonus".
61. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 8:40 PM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 20:40
62. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 8:41 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
McLame - "And if Obama tried to weasel out of the debates, you morons here would be screaming bloody murder at what a coward he is."
He already did weasel out, 10 times as I recall.
Of course they weren't debates per se, they were Town Hall meetings and he was asked by McCain to attend. ObamaMessiah ran like a dog with turpentine on his ass.
And lets not forget McLame your most loved one also failed to make any appearances, at the behest of his MovOn.org masters, on Fox until it was clear he was not going to sail into the WH without speaking directly to the largest cable TV audience.
62. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 8:41 PM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 20:41
63. Posted by hyperbolist | September 24, 2008 8:47 PM | Score: -2 (4 votes cast)
I can't multitask? I'm sacrificing a goat and typing a reply to you right now, marc. So there.
"largest cable TV audience" = biggest collection of knuckle draggers in the free world. He's an arugula guy, it must have pained him to slum it like that.
63. Posted by hyperbolist | September 24, 2008 8:47 PM |
Score: -2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 20:47
64. Posted by Kenny | September 24, 2008 8:52 PM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
Hypergirl, #58
"Presidents don't have to multitask."
Congratulations to Hypergirl! Among all the stupid and inane comment you crap out on this site, this one has to be the stupidest one yet.
64. Posted by Kenny | September 24, 2008 8:52 PM |
Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 20:52
65. Posted by jp2 | September 24, 2008 8:57 PM | Score: -4 (6 votes cast)
Sigh - what a drama queen. I know he pays 5 grand for makeup (!) but this is becoming a bit silly. Perhaps he needs a show on the CW?
His embarrassing actions during the Georgia/Russia fiasco were way over the top. He knew nothing of the facts, yet responded in such an aggressive manner, and as things have come to light, he was wrong on many accounts.
Sending his wife there and making statements like "we are all Georgians" shows how dramatic he can be - this "time out!" is just another example of his uber-ego.
65. Posted by jp2 | September 24, 2008 8:57 PM |
Score: -4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 20:57
66. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 9:27 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
hyper - ""largest cable TV audience" = biggest collection of knuckle draggers in the free world. He's an arugula guy, it must have pained him to slum it like that."
Funny, but I have to say you shouldn't disparage your own like that.
Currently 51% of regular CNN viewers are Democrats, up from 45% two years ago. Nearly four-in-ten regular Fox News viewers are Republicans (39%), about the same as in 2006.
Correct me if I'm wrong nitwit, but doesn't that equate to 61% of Fox viewers being either Libs, Libturds, progressives, libtards or indys?
66. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 9:27 PM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 21:27
67. Posted by Chad | September 24, 2008 9:28 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Three of the people in this presidential race are senators. THEY SHOULD ALL BE THERE. It's what they get paid to do. I don't believe in not representing the people you get paid to represent. If you don't show up you agree to taxation without representation. The bail-put would be made with tax money, and your representative is too busy to show up? That's f'ed up
67. Posted by Chad | September 24, 2008 9:28 PM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 21:28
68. Posted by truth | September 24, 2008 9:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Reuters:
Breaking News
Rep. Barney Frank says it's "clear" financial bailout bill will pass 9:19pm EDT
68. Posted by truth | September 24, 2008 9:28 PM |
Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 21:28
69. Posted by Chad | September 24, 2008 9:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sorry, Typo. That's supposed to be bail-out.
69. Posted by Chad | September 24, 2008 9:29 PM |
Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 21:29
70. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 9:30 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
jp2 - "His embarrassing actions during the Georgia/Russia fiasco were way over the top. He knew nothing of the facts,"
What facts were wrong? would you care to elucidate?
We'd, or at least I,. would be happy to agree if proven you're correct.
70. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 9:30 PM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 21:30
71. Posted by Timmer | September 24, 2008 9:43 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
I'm sorry...I'm not impressed. He's not that important to the Senate. One guy out of 100.
I'm tired of all the posturing and I need to hear these two debate some issues in some detail.
I guess I've become just as cynical about McCain as I am about Obama, but I don't buy that this is a matter of Country First, I think it's a stunt, and a poor one.
71. Posted by Timmer | September 24, 2008 9:43 PM |
Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 21:43
72. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 9:54 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Okay, let's hear it, "expert". What are the facts and what accounts was McCain wrong about? You can start with your view on said fiasco. Seriously, your "drama" has no script, so I won't hold my breath waiting for that "blockbuster" response.
That's it, isn't it? You make money off of the ideas of others because you're too damn lazy. And if the movie Amadeus were actually true, you would be the envious, mediocre Salieri.
72. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 9:54 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 21:54
73. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 10:10 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Hyper, jp2.... rather than humor us with your wit and wisdom, or lack thereof, here's something I'm sure you'd be in favor of. Nothing like a little civil unrest to sooth the savage libturd beast I always say.
On the other hand you may piss off the ObamaMerssiah, or would that be Biden? At this point it's damn hard to tell which of the two is for clean coal and which one is against. Thanks to the GaffMaster Biden.
But what the hell, at the least you can kiss Gore's ass while you bust up things all in the name of Gore's carbon credit scam. (opps, was I supposed to keep that a secret?)
73. Posted by marc | September 24, 2008 10:10 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 22:10
74. Posted by Peggy McGilligan | September 24, 2008 10:26 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
When Bill Clinton eased banking restrictions in California, he also dished out $8-billion dollars for "community reinvestment loans." Did the money ever get repaid: no. Undoing regulations sets a precedent, as does "comping" real estate. With the influx of cheap capital, properties already overvalued at $125,000 soared to $525,000. This, for a low-end home. When the "creative financing" schemes fell through, as is their wont whenever 30-million Mexican nationals buy inflated properties and default, it left bankers around the world in the lurch (see global economy). Never mind that the aforementioned demographic is the new face of the Democratic Party; because of subjective prices, Congress simply cannot determine the worth of the financial instruments. It's a $90-billion bailout at best. Hillary Clinton knew who'd get the loan giveaways; she knew she'd buy votes. So, why should hardworking Americans perpetuate the housing bubble? Why write the bubble boys a blank check? Why pony up a trillion-dollars, as a cost of doing business? The bubble is the problem; let it burst. Let the Dems pickup after themselves, let those 18-million cracks pass the hat:
74. Posted by Peggy McGilligan | September 24, 2008 10:26 PM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 22:26
75. Posted by Falze | September 24, 2008 10:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
for crying out loud, would you just stop going under the bridge with jp and his fellows, stop interrupting their foil hat making, it makes them nervous and wastes your time
75. Posted by Falze | September 24, 2008 10:32 PM |
Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 22:32
76. Posted by jp2 | September 24, 2008 10:34 PM | Score: -1 (3 votes cast)
McCain: "For many years, I have warned against Russian actions that undermine the sovereignty of its neighbors. Unfortunately, we have seen in recent days Russia demonstrate that these concerns were well-founded."
Umm, well Georgia invaded.
On Russia's invasion - not Georgia's : "This is an act of aggression."
http://www.youtube.com/v/tLEZ5AZL5BE
Again, Georgia invaded.
"That decision [possible Georgia NATO membership] "might have been viewed as a green light by Russia for its attacks on Georgia," McCain, a Republican senator from Arizona, said."
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/11/mccain-defends-georgia-in-face-of-russian-attacks/
Again, Georgia invaded their territory. (territory pledged to Russia)
Powell, a disgraced Republican, actually sums it up well and flattens out McCain.
SESNO: So you're saying the Georgians provoked this?
POWELL: They did. I mean, there was a lot of reasons to have provocations in the area, but the match that started the conflagration was from the Georgian side.
AMANPOUR: And yet...
POWELL: And that's a given.
AMANPOUR: And some debate in the presidential elections has basically been, "We are all Georgians now." What does that mean? It's the same as was said after 9/11.
POWELL: One candidate said that, and I'll let the candidate explain it for himself. [...] You have to be very careful in a situation like this not just to leap to one side or the other until you've taken a good analysis of the whole situation.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/22/colin-powell-says-georgia-provoked-russian-crisis-hints-mccains-response-was-hasty-reckless/
(McCain also plagiarized his speech from Wikipedia)
Lets you know what kind of Prez he'll be. Rushes to judgment without the facts while trying to score political points. That's all this suspension is about - trying to figure out what to do with his flailing campaign. Cheap stunt, just like the "we are all Georgians" maneuver. It's sad really.
76. Posted by jp2 | September 24, 2008 10:34 PM |
Score: -1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 22:34
77. Posted by jp2 | September 24, 2008 11:01 PM | Score: -1 (3 votes cast)
Regarding facts, if I was Palin, I could maybe get away with saying something like this:
"I'll try to find you some, and I'll bring them to you."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Palin_and_Couric.html?showall
You would then heap praise on my work ethic and innocence.
77. Posted by jp2 | September 24, 2008 11:01 PM |
Score: -1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 23:01
78. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 11:54 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
jp2, @76, 77.
Yeah, Stephanopoulos jumped on the "they attacked first" theory, too:
STEPHANOPOULOS: But what about his military action in South Ossetia?
ROMNEY: Well, certainly when his truckload of policemen is attacked by South Ossetians and blown up, you have a responsibility as a government to protect citizens, as he had communities being attacked with rockets that were coming from South Ossetia, and so he, of course, took action to protect his nation. The Russians have been looking for an excuse to be able to punish either the Ukraine or Georgia or to flex their muscles in the Caucasus, and this is something they've been anticipating for some time. And that's why I think it's been so important that, frankly, President Clinton listened to John McCain and changed his course back in the 90s and said, "You know what, we are going to let the former Soviet satellite states become part of NATO." This is something John McCain has fought for. He's been in, not only in South Ossetia, John McCain has, but also in Georgia time and again. This shows one more time that, in a dangerous and troubled world, it's helpful to have a leader of your nation that knows these places, knows the people, understands the setting, and John McCain didn't have to search around to figure out what to say what was going on. He knew what it was.
STEPHANOPOULOS: How do you respond to the argument that by pushing for Georgia to be in NATO, by pushing for Ukraine to be in NATO, by putting a missile defense system in Czechoslovakia, this was seen as belligerent and aggressive by Putin and kind of brought him in?
ROMNEY: Well, there's no question that Putin, with his authoritarian bent, everything from what he's done to the business community in Russia to what he's done to the media in Russia, and former employees in Russia, that he has the ambitions of the old Soviet Union, to a certain degree. He's certainly more in that direction than Gorbachev or leaders that are looking for a more democratic state.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2008/08/17/stephanopoulos-suggests-georgia-provoked-russia
As far as Palin's statement that she will "get the facts", that is far more than you have ever done in the time I have seen you here, and I believe her. She does work, you make sarcastic pronouncements.
78. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 11:54 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 23:54
79. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 11:56 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
jp2, and don't even try to tell me the "old Soviet Union" was a magical place to be, and nearby countries are not justified in resisting it.
79. Posted by LaMedusa | September 24, 2008 11:56 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 24, 2008 23:56
80. Posted by Brian | September 25, 2008 1:28 AM | Score: -3 (3 votes cast)
You do have a link to a story that confirms Palin's debate is also canceled don't you?
Or is that one of your patented ass extractions?
Jeez, marc, I'm tired of spoon-feeding you the news. Get a 5-year-old to teach you how to use the web already, will you?
80. Posted by Brian | September 25, 2008 1:28 AM |
Score: -3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 25, 2008 01:28
81. Posted by ORyan | September 25, 2008 1:30 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Is it that silly to ask what exactly McCain is going to do to help in Washington; like more detailed than, "his job!"?
81. Posted by ORyan | September 25, 2008 1:30 AM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on September 25, 2008 01:30
82. Posted by Brian | September 25, 2008 1:38 AM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
A question for the "McCain puts country first" crowd.
By saying McCain's putting his country in front of his campaign, you're implying that his campaign will be damaged by his decision to return to Washington. If that's true, then he's increasing the chances that Obama will be elected. If Obama's as toxic as you say he is, that will damage the country far more for the next 4 or 8 years.
So isn't McCain, in your view, damaging the country more by suspending his campaign against Obama?
I mean, there are over 500 legislators in Washington, not to mention cabinet members, staffers, administrators, think tanks, etc. What difference is one little John "economics is not something I've understood" McCain (1 out of 500+) going to make? That is, compared with a presidential campaign, where he's 1 out of 2.
82. Posted by Brian | September 25, 2008 1:38 AM |
Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Posted on September 25, 2008 01:38
83. Posted by marc | September 25, 2008 4:34 AM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
brian - "Jeez, marc, I'm tired of spoon-feeding you the news. Get a 5-year-old to teach you how to use the web already, will you?"
Nice try, but your video only claims the Palin debate delay was a proposal, i.e. not definite, set-in stone, you know... canceled or shifted to another date.
brian - "By saying McCain's putting his country in front of his campaign, you're implying that his campaign will be damaged by his decision to return to Washington. If that's true,..."
Who said that, got a quote?
Fact is your implying that. Period.
Heaven forbid someone actually do their friggin' job right brian?
BTW, what's your excuse for ObamaMessiah, now, after the fact going to D.C.?
The reality is Bush called him, jerked his short hairs and will be there for a meeting between Bush, the Reps, Dems and financial "advisors."
83. Posted by marc | September 25, 2008 4:34 AM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 25, 2008 04:34
84. Posted by marc | September 25, 2008 4:43 AM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
jp2 -"McCain also plagiarized his speech from Wikipedia"
Shamless you are, you may as well link something from Media splatters or MorOn.org if you wanna look that silly.
As far as your claim goes, the passages he allegedly swiped from Wikipedia are basically descriptions of facts about Georgia's history.
Given that facts are facts, it's kind of hard write/speak about stuff like that without sounding like an encyclopedia entry.
Psst... NEWSFLASH jp2, you can find the same wording in the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Besides even if it is true, McCain is just following the "leadership" of ObamaMessiah who is quite adept at stealing words himself.
84. Posted by marc | September 25, 2008 4:43 AM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on September 25, 2008 04:43
85. Posted by Brian | September 25, 2008 2:25 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Who said that, got a quote?
Uh, yeah, all the people who say that him going to Washington is "putting country first". If doing so is not damaging to his campaign, then it's not "putting country first", is it?
BTW, what's your excuse for ObamaMessiah, now, after the fact going to D.C.?
The reality is Bush called him
Well-played by Bush. They faced Obama going solo to the debate and giving Jim Lehrer a 90-minute exclusive one-on-one interview. They couldn't have that, and they knew Obama wouldn't rebuff Bush's call to Washington.
85. Posted by Brian | September 25, 2008 2:25 PM |
Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Posted on September 25, 2008 14:25
86. Posted by marc | September 25, 2008 2:45 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Brian - "They faced Obama going solo to the debate and giving Jim Lehrer a 90-minute exclusive one-on-one interview."
Riiiiigt, got ya.
86. Posted by marc | September 25, 2008 2:45 PM |
Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Posted on September 25, 2008 14:45
87. Posted by Brian | September 25, 2008 5:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
No, you don't. But apparently Jay smacked some reality into you.
87. Posted by Brian | September 25, 2008 5:29 PM |
Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Posted on September 25, 2008 17:29