I would hit it, vote for it, then hit it again.

And I just got done watching the O'Reilly "patriots and pinheads" segment with Al "Stuart Smalley" Frankin saying the phrase "under God" doesn't belong in the pledge or on currency.
To be fair, he followed that up with "but I really don't care".

Well, Stuart, some of us (still) do.

Sarah Palin needs to brush up on her constitutional law. So does whatever fool tried to require the Pledge in SF public schools.

Mandatory recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public school, with or without "under God," was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1943. See West Virginia School Board v. Barnett. And don't anybody say it was an anti-religion decision -- the Barnetts were Jehovah's Witnesses, who argued successfully that the Pledge amounted to blasphemy under the very strict rules of their fundamentalist sect.

Hey Wolf--who's talking about MANATORY recitation?

This is about saying the words "under God" on a voluntary basis while one voluntarily says the Pledge of Allegience.

And some who would like to refuse to allow us to do so if we so wish.

Good try at changing the subject though.

And Dr. Lava tries to change the subject too.

Par for course with the libs. They can only "win" (or at least that's what they think they do) when they change the subject, name call and taunt.

The libs are only concerned that Sara stood up for something she believes in. Can't be having that. Gotta be 'flexible'. If you're not 'flexible', you can become intolerant. You know, like libs are of Republicans. Ooops!!

Palin: Here's what I believe.

Obama: That's above my pay grade.

I'd like to say the difference between these to is night and day, but I'd be branded a racist by the Disciples of Hopenchange.

Old argument, but is money checked at the door of a government building because it says under god on it?

"Voluntary?" Oh, right, sure. "Separate but equal" schools really were, too. And it isn't really a distortion of American history when liberal teachers and textbooks focus on the flaws of the Founding Fathers, while never mentioning the magnificent, extraordinary thing they accomplished, something never matched by any other people before or since.

"Interestingly enough, the very thing about her that drives them insane is what makes conservatives like us love her."

I do not hate her; I disagree with her because, as this post is demonstrating, her appeal to conservatives rests in her enthusiastic participation in culture wars.

Mostly, I am concerned because I do not think culture issues are our most pressing concern. One thing I like about McCain is he strikes me not only as honest, but as not interested in fighting about cultural issues. I just do not get that impression one bit from Palin but rather the opposite; she seems to be exclusively interested in what the latest craziness from the 9th circuit is.

Anyone want to make a bet that more people involved in bankrupting the country graduated from the failed institutions of 'elitest' education that from the colleges Palin attended. I believe Harvard and Yale along with other elitest AH colleges, aka brainwashing facilities, require a lobotomy before graduation.

Wake up Ryan, the letter was several years ago and I haven't heard her commenting on the 9th Circus.

Some of the liberals need to look around the Nations capitol and see how may have references to 'God' on them. But then that might not be a good idea, Hussein and Ayers along with the anti-american democrat party might start bombing them.

If a lynch mob started for congress it would number 50 million or more by the time they got there.

ORyan -

Seems like there's only two solutions to a 'culture war'. The third one - co-existance - doesn't seem to be applicable any more, BECAUSE there's plenty of people willing to fight it out. With each side thinking IT is right, and ONLY it is right, then you're left with two choices.

You can either capitulate to the other side, or conquer and make your beliefs the custom.

Now, I don't know about you, but I don't see Palin as being either a cultural conquerer or capitulator. She has the courage of her convictions, but her demonstrating them doesn't force compliance in anyone else. SHE can coexist with others (except moose, apparently)

If you're offended by the demonstration of HER convictions, you might want to look deep inside yourself to find out just why they are so offensive to you.

Because there's a hell of a lot of people out there looking to impose THEIR cultural standards on the US, willing to slaughter by the thousands to do so, and those standards are nowhere near so benign as a simple "Under God" in the the Pledge of Allegiance.

It's liberals who love the culture war. Of course their idea of a culture war is:

"You agree with our values OR.... you're a racist, homophobe, intolerant, religious nut."

Quote from nbc link above:

Palin's Pledge-of-Allegiance rant was a commonly held view at the time.

The documents shed light on the management style--and personality--of the small town mayor turned vice presidential candidate.

Well, she's got the witch doctor vote!

(Skip ahead to 7:10)

Brian the leftist racist everyone! Gladly misrepresenting a BLACK MAN as a "witch doctor" in order to create fear in all of us heathen, Christian right wingers.

The man is from Kenya, you truthless idjit, where they actually have to combat witchcraft, which is manifested by PEOPLE in efforts to harm innocents PHYSICALLY.

Try caring about the truth a little more, and less about transferring your own hate filled racism onto others, ie; look in the mirror Brian, a very ugly monster is alive and thriving in there.

"where they actually have to combat witchcraft, which is manifested by PEOPLE in efforts to harm innocents PHYSICALLY."

Are you saying that when he says witchcraft he is refering to what many of us would just call assault? If so why not just explain that the guy got his terminology confused because praying for somebody's physical safety sounds pretty normal to me. Praying for spiritual protection against "witches" who may be casting spells, that strikes me as crazy.

Caribou Barbie's campaign won't even let her field a question from the media unless it is perfectly worded and controlled by them, and this is a month after she's named to be one very old heartbeat away from being President of the United States.

I thought she would be protected with her "anti-witchcraft armor".

At least the people of America are seeing this unfold and reacting to it. You people said Obama wasn't "ready". Well, this woman is a kook who could NEVER be "ready".

If you don't believe me, go outside your little haven of wizbang and redstate.com, and hear what the other 87% of America is saying.

Whoa, I really should have stopped to read that post by Ducharme.

So, in Kenya, somehow the laws of life and physics are different and people have to worry about WITCHCRAFT.

Jeez, I'm sorry. I guess not believing in WITCHCRAFT makes me a racist like Brian.

Ryan:

Perhaps you haven't noticed the MSM shameless conduct when dealing with Palin, our it just might be that you are a member of that profession. One that ranks lower in the esteem of the American public than lawyers and politicians. Palin does represent those values that the Left cannot tolerate. She is Holy Water to the Left's vampirism. For this she will not be tolerated, as your rants demonstrate.

I guess not believing in WITCHCRAFT makes me a racist like Brian.

Don't worry Ryan, there may still be hope for you, you may just be a typical, kneejerk, liberal moron. You can use me as a referral if you'd like.

yeah, I'm so racist that I support a man who happens to have darker skin than mine for President of the United States of America, voted for him in the primaries, plan again to do so on November 4, and have travelled to neighboring states on weekends to campaign for him.

On a side note, Ducharme, what makes someone a "man of God"? Just curious. Do you give that title to yourself after you build up some followers and sell a few books? Please let me know.

"Witchcraft is a sad reality in many parts of Africa, resulting in scores of deaths in Kenya over the past two decades. Bishop Muthee's blessing, then, was simply a reflection of his cultural understanding of evil. While others are not obliged to accept his interpretation, all can be expected to respect it. More than that - Muthee should be hailed for asking God to shield Palin from harmful forces, however they may be manifested." -- Bill Donahue

"Magic spells don't kill people, although people like Bill Donohue and Sarah Palin apparently believe that they do. Thomas Muthee may have claimed that a woman used satanic magic to cause automobile accidents in Kiambu, Kenya, and Sarah Palin's church may regard that claim as credible, but rational people regard such allegations as absurd, and no just court of law would ever convict a person of the crime of casting such supposed violent magical spells." --Irregulartimes.com

Caribou Barbie is hot, I'll give you that. To play on an earlier post, I'd do her, voter for Obama-Biden, and then do her again.

Another reason to like Sarah:

"Sarah Palin appears to believe in witchcraft."

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/17450

Well, the liberal commenter stated the 1943 Supreme Court ruled not to make the pledge mandatory because it was against the Jehovah's belief? "Under God" was inserted in the 50's so it does not make sense.

The lefties just cannot phathom a strong women. They are acting more and more sexist every day. ww

Why We Love Sarah Palin

We know why you love her: She's George Bush in a dress. Caribou Barbie is incompetent, unqualified, unprepared, inarticulate, hyper-religious, and consumed by unwarranted certitude. Bush has nearly destroyed the country and you're hoping that CB finishes the job so we can all go to Alaska (it's next to Russia, you know) for the EndTimes. Unless the Witches get us first, of course. Oh wait, she's got that covered too. Caribou Barbie is PERFECT! Oh, and she's real cute, besides.

Holy cow. MSNBC uncovers notes written by Palin years and years ago and reveals them for the first time to the inquiring American public on one of their sites called "Deep Background"?

NBC News Investigates!

Earth shattering, I tell ya.

I think "hate" is too strong of a word for how those of us rooted in reality, I mean on the left, feel about Ms. Palin.

I cannot speak for all of my liberal brothers and sisters, but many of us question her qualifications to be VP.

Seriously, is this who you really expected to see for VP? Why not Huckabee? Why not Pawlenty? Why not Brownback?

When I first heard that Ms. Palin was the VP selection, I asked my wife, "Is McCain TRYING to lose?"

SDW -

Whenever someone starts going on how they're rooted in 'reality', at that point I'm certain their reality bears no congruence with anything actual or physical. If you have to convince OTHERS that your reality is the right one, you need to rethink your parameters for 'reality'.

As far as questioning her qualifications for VP, on a rational balance it seems to me she's got more qualifications for VP than Obama has for the Presidential slot he's going for. As far as Biden goes - he reminds me of Joe Isuzu. He'll say anything to make the sale.

"I cannot speak for all of my liberal brothers and sisters, but many of us question her qualifications to be VP."

And yet you are convinced of the qualifications of a man in the senate less that two years, previously an unaccomplished state legislator to be president.

I can't make my brain do that, sorry.

Obama is THE candidate with the least experience for the position he is running for. It gives me the chuckles everytime some liberal "rooted in reality" brings up Palins experience. I thought the dem talking points changed because it backfired, but you guys keep it coming. Thanks. ww

A conserative columnist faces reality:

Palin Problem
She's out of her league.

By Kathleen Parker

If at one time women were considered heretical for swimming upstream against feminist orthodoxy, they now face condemnation for swimming downstream -- away from Sarah Palin.

To express reservations about her qualifications to be vice president -- and possibly president -- is to risk being labeled anti-woman.

Or, as I am guilty of charging her early critics, supporting only a certain kind of woman.

Some of the passionately feminist critics of Palin who attacked her personally deserved some of the backlash they received. But circumstances have changed since Palin was introduced as just a hockey mom with lipstick -- what a difference a financial crisis makes -- and a more complicated picture has emerged.

As we've seen and heard more from John McCain's running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn't know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion.

Yes, she recently met and turned several heads of state as the United Nations General Assembly convened in New York. She was gracious, charming and disarming. Men swooned. Pakistan's president wanted to hug her. (Perhaps Osama bin Laden is dying to meet her?)

And, yes, she has common sense, something we value. And she's had executive experience as a mayor and a governor, though of relatively small constituencies (about 6,000 and 680,000, respectively).

Finally, Palin's narrative is fun, inspiring and all-American in that frontier way we seem to admire. When Palin first emerged as John McCain's running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood -- a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.

Palin didn't make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I've been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I've also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there's not much content there. Here's but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: "Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we're talking about today. And that's something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this."

When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama's numbers, Palin blustered wordily: "I'm not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who's more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who's actually done it?"

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

If Palin were a man, we'd all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she's a woman -- and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket -- we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can't repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP's unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.

If liberals feel it is appropriate to refer to Alaska Governor Palin only be her earlier title as mayor, does that not make their candidate more propeerly referred to as "Illinois State Senator Obama"?

I think "Community Organizer Obama" would be more appropriate.

We do, after all, want to respect his pay grade.

You see, when a man goes to a church run by a hate filled, anti semite, home wrecking slime bag, who "retires" (did he ever really work?) to an ALL WHITE neighborhood as a bought and paid for crotch slurping whore of the white power structure of Cook Co., that "man" is displaying contempt unparalleled by few, for "his own" people. Not that it matters that his blood is not of a BLACK American origin.

Please take your medication. Very soon.

I cannot speak for all of my liberal brothers and sisters, but many of us question her qualifications to be VP.

Well, if you're concerned about Palin's qualifications for VP, you really must be soiling your shorts about Obama, who has less qualifications, and yet is running for a higher office.

Aren't you?

OregonMuse -

I trust Obama. He is very intelligent, he graduated first in his class from Harvard. He was president of the Harvard Law Review, he was an Illinois senator for 12 years.

Like the last 3 elections, I'm voting for the intelligent one.

If McCain-Palin is the best your party can do, the I'm pretty sure we'll be watching Obama's swearing in come January 2009 (unless the Cons pull something stupid, like attacking Iran or Pakistan).

It actually calms me when the Palin-bashing is prevalent on every comment thread... Some guy wrote something about "protesting too much". I think it fits.

When they STOP their "fact-challenged" ranting and actually put up positives from their VICE-presidential candidate, maybe I'll think they have something. As it stands, the conservative VICE-presidential candidate is exponentially more qualified than the liberal choice for the actual presidency. It has not been successfully rebutted because it cannot be.

She scares the left not because of their claims of inexperience, but because she is a formidable opponent. They thought they had the election in the bag with their (much MORE inexperienced) candidate, and Sarah has taken that from them.

It's like taking a new, but potentially harmful toy away from a child... They don't understand WHY it may be dangerous for them (and don't care). They still have tantrums.

"But she used 'Yahoo!' mail!"
"Her daughter is pregnant!"
"She hunts!"

Yes, yes, DUmmies, Sarah is a wicked, wicked lady. Now go outside and play while the grownups talk.

Like the last 3 elections, I'm voting for the intelligent one.

Your side is embarassingly stupid. Have you no shame? Or pride? Or dignity? Or sense of survival? Of course you don't. Your ability to live as complete and utter fools is paid for with the blood of men and women whose shoes you are not fit to fetch and yet, you spit on them everyday as well. You should come over to the side of truth. You know, justice and the American way? All of those ideals you guys derisively laugh at whenever they are mentioned. It must make for a miserable existence, to hate ones own country. Especially one as beautiful as America.

Just try saying this 5 times today: America is the greatest force for liberty that has ever existed. There is no other Earthly source of virtue that has ever compared.

Okay, how about you consider it just once? I know, you're laughing so hard the tears are rolling.(I'm only going by what I read here everyday. If you guys said, EVEN ONCE, words to the affect that you are proud of, and have a deep an abiding love for, this great nation called America, you would probably innitiate the most widespread, simultaneous, hysterical, mass of massive coronaries in history.)

p.s.
Please name JUST ONE actual accomplishment EITHER of your genious candidates has achieved in the entirety of their lives. Just one.(being born black is pretty but please, something a little more substantive than that)

Watch 'em squirm folks, BOTH of these guys are as empty as a berkeley recruiting station. Oh lookout, here come the insults...

Like the last 3 elections, I'm voting for the intelligent one.

The smart one who got his buddies rich and put the homeowner in the poorhouse. GoBama. Yay.

I'm not laughing at all Mark.

You can take as much as you want of Obama out of context, likewise I can take much of McPlain out of context and make my point, too.

[b]But really, Palin? C'mon ... COME ON![/b]

Can't wait for tonight. I just hope the moderators can remain objective. I'd hate to see either candidate get preference over the other from the panel.

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But really, Palin? C'mon ... COME ON!

No, what makes Brian, and possibly you, racists, is the fact that HE, Brian, AUTOMATICALLY assumed a black man of God to be a "witchdoctor". That is narrowminded. That is racist.

No, I AUTOMATICALLY assumed that a man who talks about fighting witches and witchcraft to be a "witchdoctor". That is accurate. Those are his words. That is reality.

It is you, AUTOMATICALLY assuming that the observation is because he's black. That is narrowminded. That is racist.

LaMedusa -

Well, governor Bush thought the lower interest rates were a grand idea back in October of 2002. Good thing Phil Gramm helped grease those skids back in 1999.

Well, governor Bush thought the lower interest rates were a grand idea back in October of 2002. Good thing Phil Gramm helped grease those skids back in 1999.

True, there were a lot of people fooled by the idea of lower interest rates. Back when the Community Reinvestment Act was passed into law by the dems, Phil Gramm was an Democrat.
Now, he's probably a RINO. Obama, on the other hand, is just dense.

LaMedusa -

"Phil Gramm was an Democrat." Wow. You're making this easy ...

Phil Gramm is McPlain's economic advisor. He is a very prominent Republican.

By the way, another right wing lapdog is bailing. Kathleen Parker says:

It was fun while it lasted," Parker writes. "Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who is clearly out of her league."

THIS from the woman who only a few weeks ago wrote that Palin was "a perfect storm of God, Mom and apple pie!"

LOL!!!!!

Phil Gramm is McPlain's economic advisor. He is a very prominent Republican.

Then he must be a RINO, because this is the exact same sh*t Barney Frank was saying:

McCain campaign co-chairman Phil Gramm says America in 'mental recession'

"The Republican nominee-to-be rejected the colorful assessment from his campaign co-chairman - and even threatened him with exile to Europe's last communist dictatorship.

"Phil Gramm does not speak for me. I strongly disagree," Mr. McCain said, trying to tamp down the problem caused by his longtime friend, who holds a doctorate in economics and taught the subject at Texas A&M before moving to Congress."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/071108dnpolgramm.424e457.html

All he did was change parties in name only. He is a friend of McCain's, and saved his campaign, but apparently that degree he has in economics isn't worth jack. As far as Palin is concerned, I'll be looking at the whole interviews later today, and not just the cherry picking by the left. Even in her worst moment, she is far better than McCain, and I am sure those interviews won't change my mind.

Correction, in her worst moment, she is far better than Obama. But in reality, she kicks pretty good ass next to McCain, as well.

Lapdog? I hadn't even heard of Kathleen Parker until summer this year. Why do you think her opinion as a columnist would influence everyone's vote?

"Liberals are foaming at the mouth with their hatred for Sarah Palin."

By "foaming" you mean from all the laughter, then yes, its foaming. Every time Pailn's opens her mouth, a little more of that opportunity to hide how unqualified and mendacious she is goes away. You might as well start you crow about it instead.

Keep hitching your wagon to this potatoe, Kim. Liberals will just keep laughing -excuse me, foaming.

Still waiting for one of you libtards to tell us all JUST ONE ACCOMPLISHMENT of obambi / biden....and waiting...and waiting...and waiting...

Still waiting for one of you libtards to tell us all JUST ONE ACCOMPLISHMENT of obambi / biden....and waiting...and waiting...and waiting...

Well, Biden did almost get a man to stand up from his wheelchair... Points for the attempt? And Obama got his wife to finally be proud of her country, so that's gotta be worth something.

Still waiting for one of you libtards to tell us all JUST ONE ACCOMPLISHMENT..

Here ya go, Duchebag;

Biden:

Crafted many federal crime laws over the last decade, including the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, also known as the Biden Crime Law.

Creadted the Violence Against Women Act of 1994 (VAWA), which contains a broad array of measures to combat domestic violence and provides billions of dollars in federal funds to address gender-based crimes.

Promoted college aid and loan programs allows families to deduct on their annual income tax returns up to $10,000 per year in higher education expenses. His "Kids 2000" legislation established a public/private partnership to provide computer centers, teachers, Internet access, and technical training to young people, particularly to low-income and at-risk youth.

Obama:

Introduced two initiatives bearing his name: Lugar-Obama, which expanded the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons.

The Coburn-Obama Transparency Act, which authorized the establishment of USAspending.gov, a web search engine on federal spending.

With Senators Thomas R. Carper, Tom Coburn, and John McCain, Obama introduced follow-up legislation: Strengthening Transparency and Accountability in Federal Spending Act of 2008.

-That's six so far but lets not get too far beyond your counting range...

YourPetDink,

Biden managing to get his name on bills that buy votes via welfare to liberal, America hating groups does NOT constitute doing something.(Although I'm sure you could get a fine testimonial from the groups Presidents who are now swimming in my tax "contributions".)

As for obambi, watching Russia blitzkrieg Georgia sure does assure me of the substance and effectiveness (do you even know what the CTR is?) of the CTR. What a joke. The other stuff is just evidence of a bunch of blowhard senators wanting to attach themselves to obambi the wunderkind. My point was, genious, that NO senator accomplishes much of anything outside of getting out of the way and letting us live freely. I am making a list of all the ones who do that and look, here it is now:
1)
2)
3)
........

And that is why I am so glad that American, Sarah Palin is on a ticket. You can keep the rest of those self serving nimrods (no racial slight intended).

#39

I trust Obama. He is very intelligent, he graduated first in his class from Harvard. He was president of the Harvard Law Review, he was an Illinois senator for 12 years.

I''ve worked with women's group in church all my adult life and find women fantastic, wonderful and grateful. However with fifty years of experience and with church women in a non polical situation the more together you are and i'm together, the more you have to offer, the more good you do out come the fangs of catty, jealous women.

Jealous is defined as something your could have cone, but didn't and you jealous women can't stand to be reminded. That they once had a Todd Palin, but didn't marry him, had a few abortions and now have no children if for anything else to pay for social security, they have not been responsible with their lives and some few are humble and correct this, but those who do not can't the reminder of what could have been and can never be.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/blog/2008/10/snl_fake_palin_to_meet_real_pa.html

Sarah Palin visiting Tina Fey on SNL? Possible.