Sarah is no Dan Quayle. And she is no Tina Fey cartoon. And she is no drooling moron.
Democrats set the debate up better than we ever could have. If you accuse someone of being a drooling boob, you darn well better make sure they are one. Palin showed up and made all those who ridiculed her look like idiots. Case in point -- Keith Olbermann. I was flipping around so I just caught bits and pieces of the post debate here and there. On MSNBC, Chris Matthews and Andrea Mitchell said Palin was rehearsed. Matthews said the danger with these debates is that people say rehearsed lines and they can be mistaken for intelligence. Sounds a bit like good ole Teleprompter Boy to me. But Teleprompter Boy doesn't even rehearse the lines. He has to read them.
Olbermann came on looking like someone killed his dog and said Palin didn't answer the questions. Then he read a list of things he said she got wrong. He didn't say anything about all the things Biden got wrong. I had to turn the channel because I can't take but so much of Olby, but I was tempted to continue watching because he looked like he was going to cry.
On Fox tonight Frank Luntz' focus group loved Palin. All in the group raised their hand when asked if Palin won. Several in the group said they moved toward McCain as a result of the debate. Luntz said to look for the polling to change because of this debate.
Dick Morris said it was a huge win for Palin and that she exhibited a talent for communication not seen since Ronald Reagan.
Karl Rove read a list of ten things that Biden got completely wrong that were beyond dispute, then said there were about six additional items he could argue Biden got wrong.
Joe Lieberman looked exceptionally happy and had a blast on Hannity & Colmes.
My overall impression is that Palin was incredible and that Joe Biden was quite smitten with her. I don't know how much any VP debate can move polls, but I do believe that if she had not done well it would have had a very negative impact. I would not be surprised to see Frank Luntz be right and see an uptick in the polls as a result of tonight. At this point in the race people who have not yet made up their minds often go with their gut. They want to vote for the person they feel comfortable with and the one they trust, not necessarily the candidate with all the facts memorized. Tonight's debate reminded me of the 2000 Bush-Gore debate in which Al Gore kept referring to the Dingle-Norwood bill. Gore was Mr. Smarty Pants with all the facts, but Bush was the one that displayed the personality. It will be interesting to see whether or not the voters are moved by Sarah Palin tonight.
Kevin adds: Here's the Frank Luntz segment with undecided voters.
Update: Anchoress has a running roundup thread.
Update II: Here is the transcript of the debate.






Comments (16)
I agree. Palin was ... (Below threshold)1. Posted by truth | October 3, 2008 12:02 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
I agree. Palin was very good tonight. Understandable I think she was a little nervous in the beginning. But the second half of the debate she was very good. You could see the confidence and fun she was having as the debate progressed.
1. Posted by truth | October 3, 2008 12:02 AM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:02
2. Posted by GianiD | October 3, 2008 12:11 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Biden must feel like his Fighting Blue Hens felt, when, after Lyin Biden predicted they could take the Buckeyes, they lost to Furman.
That, or, he feels like a Chicago baseball fan today.
2. Posted by GianiD | October 3, 2008 12:11 AM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:11
3. Posted by Ryan | October 3, 2008 12:12 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Wow this was just incredible. I have hope again about this election.
http://www.supportsarahpalin.us/index.php?p=3
3. Posted by Ryan | October 3, 2008 12:12 AM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:12
4. Posted by nikkolai | October 3, 2008 12:12 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Knock out.
4. Posted by nikkolai | October 3, 2008 12:12 AM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:12
5. Posted by phr | October 3, 2008 12:15 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Shock and awe indeed. Go Sarah!
5. Posted by phr | October 3, 2008 12:15 AM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:15
6. Posted by GarandFan | October 3, 2008 12:20 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Joe came across as articulate. Unfortunately for him, we'll find out tomorrow to what extent he was on one of his bullshit rolls.
Two come to mind, Obama and preconditons (Hey Joe, it's on freakin' video tape - he said it!).
Second, what was that bullshit about we and the FRENCH kicking Hezzbollah out of Lebannon?
Where'd he dig THAT up?
6. Posted by GarandFan | October 3, 2008 12:20 AM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:20
7. Posted by Gordon | October 3, 2008 12:24 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Awesome! Also awesome watching Bill O'Reilly go up!- Barney Franks sorry butt tonight. Well, maybe considering Barneys bend towards being a rump ranger thats not the best choice of words.
:-)
7. Posted by Gordon | October 3, 2008 12:24 AM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:24
8. Posted by Setay | October 3, 2008 12:27 AM | Score: -5 (5 votes cast)
Really? Fox thought Palin won? Gee, who saw that coming. I guess all those polls (including Fox's own) have that well known reality bias
8. Posted by Setay | October 3, 2008 12:27 AM |
Score: -5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:27
9. Posted by BlueNight | October 3, 2008 12:28 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
I caught the majority of the debate, and this is what I came away with:
Her opening didn't really respond to his. He seemed smug or relaxed at various points, while she was clearly excited. She had opportunities to slam home the conservative talking points, but didn't every time.
Despite the crowd's designated silence, each one got them to laugh, though hers was better.
She seemed desparate to talk about energy during questions that weren't really about energy.
In large part, Palin came out better, especially when Biden said some things that were clearly false and she was able to correct him.
9. Posted by BlueNight | October 3, 2008 12:28 AM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:28
10. Posted by Lorie Byrd | October 3, 2008 12:33 AM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Setay, you evidently don't watch Fox. Last week Fred Barnes on Fox thought the debate was a tie and Charles Krauthammer, another conservative on Fox, thought Obama won. Dick Morris, who was also on Fox tonight and thought Palin won in a knock out, thought Obama won the debate last week as well. Maybe you should take a look at Fox before making such an uninformed comment. I suffer through the idiots at MSNBC so that I can at least know what I am talking about when I criticize them.
10. Posted by Lorie Byrd | October 3, 2008 12:33 AM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:33
11. Posted by Stan | October 3, 2008 12:34 AM | Score: -5 (7 votes cast)
I cannot believe everyone saying Palin did better than expected, but the expected was a very low bar.
Palin never answered many questions, such as bankruptcy, Achilles heels, what would the McCain administration cut given the government's financial crisis, did not answer the question about deregulation, did not answer the question of defending John McCain about not going along with the deregulation, letting Wall Street run wild.
Palin lied about Obama's tax plan that had been debunked by factcheck.org in June-August: "Barack had 94 opportunities to side on the people's side and reduce taxes and 94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction, 94 times."
Very scary:
She also thinks the Constitution gave Cheney the power she wants if McCain is elected. Biden did a good job of rebutting Palin's answer
All the polls have Biden winning by a big margin
11. Posted by Stan | October 3, 2008 12:34 AM |
Score: -5 (7 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:34
12. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | October 3, 2008 12:37 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
I love this woman.
12. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | October 3, 2008 12:37 AM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:37
13. Posted by Thomas Jackson | October 3, 2008 12:40 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Biden came across as a friendly used car salesman. He was slick but you knew he was lying. You got that bad feeling. When you popped the hood you knew he was lying when he tried to tell you about his family and started sniffing.
Knock out for Palin. She wasn't polished but you'd buy a used car from her.
13. Posted by Thomas Jackson | October 3, 2008 12:40 AM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:40
14. Posted by Denise | October 3, 2008 12:43 AM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
JOE BIDEN'S 14 LIES TONIGHT
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted "the exact same way" as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, "Drill we must." But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to "raping" the Outer Continental Shelf."
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it's passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he's always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain's record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was "dead wrong on Iraq", because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn't see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn't meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of "part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20."
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.
14. Posted by Denise | October 3, 2008 12:43 AM |
Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:43
15. Posted by Deke | October 3, 2008 12:56 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow!
Each and every time I about give up on McCain, Palin pulls his butt out of the fire!
She makes it seem she's actually speaking to me, something Obama never has, and I trust her on a gut level.
Win or lose I hope she's a permanent fixture on the conservative horizon. She's a winning ticket and someone, I think, America can be proud of.
15. Posted by Deke | October 3, 2008 12:56 AM |
Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 00:56
16. Posted by Steve | October 3, 2008 1:05 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I am libertarian who prior to the VP picks, was truly undecided. After McCain proved he wasn't a moderate and picked Palin, I must admit, I have been essentially an Obama leaning voter ever since. My impression of the first debate was that Obama clearly won, not because of his own substance, but more from McCain's lack thereof. What scares me tonight however, has been the reaction to this debate. I resent everything Palin stands for, and certainly will not be voting for McCain... but to for the left to deceive themselves and pretend like the debate tonight went any way other than Palin absolutely mopping the floor with Biden is cause for concern. Sarah was charming, pleasant, painfully likeable, witty, on-point, and did not appear contrived. Biden was anything but. The entire time, he looked to be cornered, and if I had to pick one word to describe him, it would be "smug". Biden lost this debate for Obama tonight. Thats hard medicine to swallow, but the Obama camp needs to fix the problem fast. And to read the blogs and listen to the early posts of fellow progressives that try to pretend this crushing defeat tonight for Biden didn't happen by citing such silliness as flash CNN and CBS polls is setting the stage for another 4 years of McBush.
16. Posted by Steve | October 3, 2008 1:05 AM |
Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Posted on October 3, 2008 01:05