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Pegging Biden

Jonah Goldberg has Joe Biden pegged:

What struck me the most about the debate - and it probably helped having quintessential Obamaphiles in the room - was how Biden's "gravitas" is derived almost entirely from the fact that he can lie with absolute passion and conviction. He just plain made stuff up tonight. I read a long list tonight in my debate with Beinart here at Wash U, we can visit the details tomorrow.

Just a few: Flatly asserting that Obama never said he'd meet with Achmenijad; that absolute nonsense about spending more in a month in Iraq than we've spent in Afghanistan ("let me say it again," he said as if he was hammering home a real fact); the bit about McCain voting with Obama on raising taxes; his vote in favor of the war etc.

It's amazing how the impulse to see Biden as the more qualified and serious guy stems almost entirely from his ability to be a convincing b.s. artist. I'm not saying Palin was always honest or unrehearsed, but when she offers up a catchphrase or a talking point, you can tell. When Biden spews up a warm fog of deceitful gassbaggery the response seems to be "what a great grasp of the issues he has!"


Along those same lines, read Amanda Carpenter's column about Biden's 14 lies.

Update: I loved it when Sarah Palin said "I watched all those debates" basically telling Biden in not so many words that she knows what he said in those primary debates and what he is saying now is not true. I smiled when she said that because I know she probably watched "those debates" this week in preparation for this debate and almost certainly remembered more of what Joe Biden said in them than he did.

Update II: I watched some of the morning shows. On ABC's Good Morning America a news summary of the debate went something like this "Sarah Palin used folksy language and winks to connect with the audience while Joe Biden tied John McCain to President Bush." I hope I just missed it, but I didn't see anyone pointing out all the mistakes Joe Biden made. Last night Chris Matthews was ridiculing Sarah Palin for what she said about the Vice President's role, but it appears she was more correct than Joe Biden on that point. Heh, Victor Davis Hanson has some fun with Joe Biden.

Update III: More Joe Biden fact checking -- Michael Tottenon Biden's comment about kicking Hezbollah out of Lebanon. More evidence the media lets Democrats slide even on the stupidest mistakes and downright lies.

Update IV: Well, you don't have to look at video of Barack Obama's primary debate to find that Joe Biden was wrong about Obama saying he would meet with Iran without preconditions, it is still on the campaign website! I am sure the media is going to be all over Biden's many mistakes (lies) from last night. Someone please let me know as soon as it happens.


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Comments (12)

I can't wait to see the McC... (Below threshold)
Clint:

I can't wait to see the McCain campaign's new commercials on Biden.

To bad their debating style... (Below threshold)

To bad their debating style is so meek compared to their commercials. I just don't get it. America watches the debates. Only people set in their ways ever see these, internet only, ads.

Just sad.McCain is... (Below threshold)
Baggi:

Just sad.

McCain is going to have to spend money on commercials in order to get the truth out to the public that Joe Biden was wrong so many times, or just flat out lying (Probably wrong though, I hope for the best in people).

Why? Because the media won't focus on it. He could claim with a straight face that he and Obama have already caught Osama Bin Laden and the media wouldn't question him on it. They'd nod sagely and ask, "So why is Sarah Palin such a liar?"

Sorry, McCain can't win against that. He can't win against that because he expected the media to treat him the same now as they did the past 8 years when he was a "maverick". He sounds pathetic when he tries to remind us of what a "maverick" he is. He's only a "maverick" because the media loved him when he opposed the Republican administration.

Well, now he is the Republican Administration! As far as the media is concerned, by definition, he can no longer be a "maverick" he's now the enemy. Period.

McCain doesn't know how to fight against that. He's not your typical Republican. He doesn't understand that the media is hostile to him. He might be getting a clue now, but it's probably too late.

This is why we needed someone like Romney. He came from a blue state where folks like the Boston Globe hated him. He knew how to win against the Democrat media establishment.

McCain doesn't know what to do. He'll get his polling bump probably over this weekend and that will be his high point in this campaign.

Biden was, well, Biden. </... (Below threshold)

Biden was, well, Biden.

Sarah Palin was what all of us have hoped a candidate for public office could be: a REAL person!!

Sarah Palin ROCKED tonight!!!

Baggi...huh?Palin ... (Below threshold)

Baggi...huh?

Palin faced the ONLY portion of the Obama/Biden ticket with ANY experience tonight (Biden)...and clearly bested him...CLEARLY!

McCain/Palin '08....because "Suicide '08" is ALL the other side offers!

Seconding what Justrand sai... (Below threshold)

Seconding what Justrand said: one of the reasons that Palin has caught fire with so many people is that she is a modern-day version of what might be called a "citizen-politician." She is not a "professional" politician in the sense that Biden (or McCain) is...she is a REAL person. And large portions of the electorate are responding very well to that.

100 million families Joe???... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

100 million families Joe????

There ain't 100 million families in the US.

Speaking of Joe Biden and b... (Below threshold)

Speaking of Joe Biden and being a lying phony: has anyone else noticed how often he (almost-)cries when the cameras are on him?

Does this guy want to win the election or a daytime Emmy?

Because I have a dirty mind... (Below threshold)

Because I have a dirty mind I will simply point out that there's an entendre in that post title, Lorie. 'Specially given who Biden was debating...

In the first part of the de... (Below threshold)
MichaelC:

In the first part of the debate I confess to being very disappointed when Sarah continually refused to focus the nation's attention on the facts of the Democrat involvement with Fan-nie Mae and Freddie Mac as blocks to all attempts at legislation to control the financial behemoths before the graft and corruption totally sank these institutions. There is just too much against the dems in this regard and so much in McCain's favor that I could not un-derstand why it was left untouched.

By the end of the debate I had come to understand that this was done on purpose, having Sarah remain more amiable and communicative in the sure knowledge that as the event wore on Biden would simply not be able to resist the very petulance and know it all air that he indeed did fall into.

Sarah's outsider status left her somewhat unaware of the total bullshit that Biden began slinging as it started to dawn on him that she was merrily having his lunch and doing so without any appearance of distress. His lies about Obama's never having said he would sit down directly with Ahmadinejad and others without preconditions; his absolute and utter tale of the Unknown with regard to Lebanon and Hezbollah and his own valiant efforts to warn Chimpy and the world that he and others certainly had plans at the time that would have made the difference; his habit of emphatically repeating his statements to demon-strate, or so he thought, his conviction and truthiness; his BS claim that By God this very morning he'd spoken with the Commanding Officer of troops in Afghanistan where by the way we should have all our troops and not in Iraq, but yes, By God this very morning he spoke with, and never actually mentions a name, but By God he spoke to that highest rank-ing individual who told him personally that tactics such as those used in the Surge in Iraq just weren't going to be useful in Afghanistan at all, ya know, just a different set of cir-cumstances altogether which he and The Head of all Troops in Afghanistan were in agree-ment that they just wouldn't work the same there.....I'll tell ya, for just a bit I did think that he must have indeed had this so called talk with Whoever. I thought to myself, "Self, no one in their right mind would make such a claim that could be so easily checked upon" and it did make me nervous for a while until a little light went off in my head and just seemed to totally highlight this style of his to make stuff up, which of course if I did it I'd be called a liar but hey, he's a Senator and I guess that makes all the difference

Sarah did not really catch on to this long string of lies that Biden just threw out there when he ran out of his canned stuff while Sarah was still just breezing along munching away at his lunch like she was hopin' that he'd brought desert too. She had such a comfortable way with herself, being totally unafraid to veer artfully away from the whole debate for just a moment at one point to "give a shout out" to her sister's third grade class, to tell them cheerfully that they would be getting "extra credit" for watching the debate. I mean, come on people, that was about the cutest thing anyone ever did in one of these dead serious end of the world type of lecture one another campaign confrontations. Score Sarah for some conversational human-ness that parents across America must have been eating up like a third bag of popcorn at the country fair. And that popcorn was probably coming in handy what with Sarah having made short shrift of Joe's lunch by now, there sure wasn't any of that left to go around.

There are those who are going to say, "well, she just didn't know as much as Biden did". And that may be true, but from where I was standing that sort of thing sure wasn't showing much. I took great satisfaction at her sly twinkle when she delivered back criticisms that Biden himself had made of Obama during the Long March of this current campaign and she just about dared him to deny it when she said, without a trace of malice, "Now Joe, I watch those debates and I heard you say those things."

Sarah Palin shined last night and it was sweet and overdue and just what the doctor or-dered after all the lies and slander and sliming she and her family have endured in the short time since she was called upon by John McCain to please come forward and serve her country by joining him and challenging Obama/Biden for the Presidency/Vice Presidency of the United States.

I wrote this entire piece i... (Below threshold)
MichaelC:

I wrote this entire piece in Microsoft Word and accidentally cut off the last couple of paragraphs which I insert here to go with the above:


I, and millions of others are feeling a lot of pride in Sarah Palin's demonstration that citizen politicians, people capable of understanding the way government works but without the immense baggage of career criminals (there is a strike-through placed over the last word which this format system most often leaves off)..er, career incumbents that seems to forever bring our government to a standstill.

Sarah is pretty baggageless and quite uninhibited in speaking her mind directly to the American people, something that used to be well thought of in a public person.

There are many more people today that know that about her and that is a very good thing.

Oh my....this is my last co... (Below threshold)
MichaelC:

Oh my....this is my last correction to the text offered above. Should I notice or should any one further inform me of errors, I will suffer silently having entered such:


I, and millions of others are feeling a lot of pride in Sarah Palin's demonstration that citizen politicians, people capable of understanding the way government works but without the immense baggage of career criminals (there is a strike-through placed over the last word which this format system most often leaves off)..er, career incumbents that seems to forever bring our government to a standstill, are out there and ready to participate in the governance that has until now too often been left in the hand of those more interested in doing well for themselves than in doing well for this country.




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