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The AP Fights Back for Obama, Calls Palin a Racist

The Associated Press came out swinging hard on Obama's behalf today when it called Palin a racist in response to her comments that Obama pals around with terrorists and doesn't see America the way we do:

By claiming that Democrat Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists" and doesn't see the U.S. like other Americans, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted key goals for a faltering campaign.

And though she may have scored a political hit each time, her attack was unsubstantiated and carried a racially tinged subtext that John McCain himself may come to regret.

No her comments are not racially tinged. She called him a radical and a socialist who doesn't agree with our view of American exceptionalism, but of course they don't hear that in her comments. Because she dares to question his judgment in who he chooses to associate with, the Associated (with Obama) Press to goes out of its way to paint her and anyone else who does the same as a racist. Yes, 2008 is the year journalism died.

Jonah Goldberg calls the AP's analysis that Palin's comments were racially tinged "outrageously asinine":

The analysis falls apart according to its own logic since Daniel admits that the McCain campaign's strategy is hardly different than Republican tactics of previous campaigns. Daniel more or less concedes this, but argues that because Obama is black, using these tactics against Obama is in effect racist.

The whole argument ultimately depends on the assumption that Americans are too stupid and racist to make any meaningful distinctions about anything.

Update: Allahpundit on the left's stupidly obvious double standard

Palin's refusal to produce medical evidence that Trig emerged from her birth canal and not Bristol's is relevant as a measure of transparency and accountability. Presumably, then, Obama's sustained comfort around a degenerate whose chief regret from his mad bomber days is that he didn't do "more" is relevant as a measure of character, particularly since Ayers wasn't the first radical with whom The One's associated. Or have the Obama rules now been updated to absolve him from character questions that any other politician would be asked? Hillary didn't think so. But she's a racist too, I guess.

Update II: As I expected, Sarahcuda refuses to back down from her comments. Instead, it's full steam ahead:

The Republican vice presidential nominee on Sunday said it was legitimate to raise Obama's association with 1960s radical Bill Ayers. Ayers and Obama are acquainted, but the charge that they "pal around" is unsubstantiated.

"The comments are about an association that has been known but hasn't been talked about," she said. "It's important to talk about how Barack Obama kicked off his political career in the guy's living room."

McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds is firing with both political barrels right along with her:

"The last four weeks of this election will be about whether the American people are willing to turn our economy and national security over to Barack Obama, a man with little record, questionable judgment, and ties to radical figures like unrepentant domestic terrorist William Ayers. Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist, or had a convicted felon help them buy their house -- because those aren't smears, those are true facts about Barack Obama." ---Tucker Bounds, spokesman McCain-Palin 2008

Update III: Quin Hillyer at American Spectator goes after the AP:

This might be the single most irresponsible piece the Associated Press has EVER run. Not only does it badly misstate (i.e. excuses, plays down, hides) the level of Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, but it goes to phenomenally bizarre lengths to claim that Sarah Palin's repeated references to Ayers -- who is white -- somehow "carry a racially tinged subtext." HUH????!!???? This is sick. Literally sick. Have things really reached the point where ANY criticism of Obama is racist? Next thing you know, criticism of Obama for having the most liberal voting record in the Senate will be called racist. Criticism of Obama for being against the surge will be called racist. Hell, next thing you know, criticism of Joe Biden will be called racist, because Biden is the running mate for a black man and, well, any criticism of him is code for racist opposition to Obama.

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This is a new spin on Yello... (Below threshold)
epador:

This is a new spin on Yellow Journalism. I vote we call it Chartreuse Journalism:

Chartreuse being the most visible color of visible light
Chartreuse being an effete and snobby way to describe the color of something we all knows smells and is nasty - piss.

"Obama, who was a child ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Obama, who was a child when the Weathermen were planting bombs, has denounced Ayers' radical views and actions."

I have yet to see an actual quote, video, transcript that proves he denounced anything about Ayers, so I would like to see that other than a washed out AP denial.

What I like especially is the video they have inset on the same page.

They say she "attacked" Barack, a favorite descriptor in politics, of "palling around with terrorists", when in reality, she was just telling it like it is. If this article is supposed to fight back for Obama, it's a pretty weak attempt.

I can care less if he were ... (Below threshold)
Adam:

I can care less if he were yellow, brown, orange, tan, or purple. I'm not voting for him because he's a Democrat. It's that simple.

Oh, and this is funny, too:... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Oh, and this is funny, too:

"In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers' day 40 years ago. With Obama a relative unknown when he began his campaign, the Internet hummed with false e-mails about ties to radical Islam of a foreign-born candidate."

Nowhere does Palin suggest anything about skin color, but the AP has to inject something to "help people" understand what she really meant. How absurd!

The ol' racecard...too bad ... (Below threshold)

The ol' racecard...too bad the left is where the true racists reside.

This reporter Daniels needs... (Below threshold)
Jason:

This reporter Daniels needs to be thrown to the curb for such an obvious lack of impartiality. Not to mention he's making baseless accusation of racism. A man like this disgraces journalism. He's nothing more than a spin doctor for Obama.

Douglass Daniel has <a href... (Below threshold)

Douglass Daniel has done this before.

Fredosson has a ton of stuf... (Below threshold)
Larry:

Fredosson has a ton of stuff on Obama's radical associations. One of the more interesting is that Obama appeared at the "New Party" convention in the summer of 1995 to seek their endorsement in his state Senate race. The New Party is made up of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism and the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America.

He received the New Party endorsement. As New Ground (newsletter) states "Once approved, candidates must sign a contract with the NP. The contract mandates that they must have a visible and active relationship with the NP.

Hark, spit, can you say Communist?

Look for every MSM outlet t... (Below threshold)
DoninFla:

Look for every MSM outlet to throw out the race card along with every enane leftard blather spewer on this site to as well. Any critical comment of Obama will be attached as a racist comment. Their construct is "He's black...so any criticism is racist" That's all they've got. Well...you know, it does matter who the hell you are associated with. He can denounce all he wants as far as I'm concerned, That alone means he doesn't get my vote...Let alone the fact that I despise his liberal ideology.

What does "palling around" ... (Below threshold)
Just John:

What does "palling around" mean?

"Daniel more or less conced... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"Daniel more or less concedes this, but argues that because Obama is black, using these tactics against Obama is in effect racist."

It's not so much that ObamaMessiah is half-black, it's more that his middle name is Hussein, a name that conservatives fear more than any other. This is why conservatives are struggling hard based on the flimsiest of evidence to link ObamaMessiah to terrorism, for the Republican Base to see.

The only people bringing up... (Below threshold)
hermie:

The only people bringing up race are either Obama's primary opponents, or Obama himself.

But it's like all other big city Dems to make an accusation of racism whenever they are exposed as crooks...Like the mayor of Detroit who Obama called one of the country's great mayors, until the guy's perjury and corruption was too much even the MSM to ignore. Yet, they used the race card over and over to excuse this guy.

Obama is part of the corrupt Chicago Dem machine, which has used charges of racism whenever one of their own has been caught red-handed.

If McCain and Palin are goi... (Below threshold)

If McCain and Palin are going to lose, they need to at least do their civic duty by using their bully pulpits to tell America exactly what they're electing - that means talking for the next 30 days, every day, about Ayers, Wright, Davis, and Rezko. They could blow kisses to Obama for a month and the MSM would say the campaign is 'getting ugly', might as well drag all of Obama's ugly into the light so that people are at least voting with their eyes open to what Obama is. For crying out loud, my wife is a highly educated professional and she asked me last night who Ayers is - she'd never been exposed to him before Palin brought him up...30 days, every day. Don't let them get away with this 'i was 8' crap - he was serving on a small board on a regular basis with Ayers through 2002 and Ayers made his 'we didn't do enough' statement in the NYT on 9-11-01...for the mathematically challenged, that means Obama was serving on a small committee with Ayers for a year after Ayers was talking about how he didn't bomb enough of America.

Herman, his mentors have be... (Below threshold)

Herman, his mentors have been Marxists like Frank Marshall Davis and domestic terrorists like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorne. If the media had done it's job to report such things, there would be no need to highlight them. He would've been run out of town or laughed off the stage assuming he should be President just because he's been a junior Senator for two years and was a community agitator.

Herman~"In a post-... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Herman~

"In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims,"

These are the words of Daniel, obviously not a conservative. Nobody is struggling to link Obama with these associations, since they are right out there in plain sight. And his middle name isn't a big question mark only to Republicans.

My name? Ayers, what of it?... (Below threshold)

My name? Ayers, what of it?
People claim that I am acquainted with Barack Hussein Obama, so what of it? We are collaborators in 95, So what that I was a terrorist in the 70''s that even now I wish we had done more bombings, so what of it. People know I am close to Obama, so what of it? People know I help Obama get started as a Democrat government politician so what of it? You mean to tell me that its not possible that a terrorist sympathizer can run for president, so what of it? Are you going to tell me that a man named Barack Hussein Obama cannot learn from an unrepentant terrorist like me in our friendship one to another?

Im Barack Hussein Obama, and I will talk, if elected, with a lot of fanatical terrorists leaders and I approved this message.

For Palin to call Obama ter... (Below threshold)
Jack Taft:

For Palin to call Obama terrorist just like GWB and DC called Iraq to have WMD. She called a US senator, A christian, An American that born from Kansas Lady, A father of two kids is just so absurd. It is hilarious. She called Obama a terrorist and next thing happen she may call everyone who vote for Obama are terrorist supporter?
This is Republican and Palin just so naive to use this offensive line.
What else you have Palin? Lie? Lie? Lie? Lie? Lie? Lie? Lie?
Why dont you show and tell America what is your Economy program? Why dont you tell America how are you going to bring this country back on track? Why dont you tell America how are you going to bring down the gasoline price to 99cents/gallon? Why dont you tell American how are you going to stop foreclosure? Why dont you tell American how are they going to get an affordable health care? Why dont you tell American how are you going to support the Education?
Dont just talk with the script Palin!
Show to American you have brain!
Show to American you talk and think that you graduated from college!
What we need is not a name caller but a wise one to run this country, intellegent, smart like all of our founding fathers, and have a clue to all complex issues American facing now.
You cant even name the magazines or newspapers you read and you dont understand the word "insight" and you cant answer all the moderator question on your debate and the only thing you know?

CALLING A US SENATOR A TERRRORIST??????

What are you going to do next? sending him to Guantanamo Bay like HAROLD AND KUMAR?

Simply because he is black and running for President??

Falze says: If McCain an... (Below threshold)

Falze says: If McCain and Palin are going to lose, they need to at least do their civic duty by using their bully pulpits to tell America exactly what they're electing - that means talking for the next 30 days, every day, about Ayers, Wright, Davis, and Rezko.

Everyone in the U.S. could do their civic duty too by going to a BHO appearance and asking him about those people on video. Then, uploading his response to Youtube.

It should be obvious by now that the MSM isn't going to ask BHO about this.

And, it should be obvious by now that there are a lot of things McCain isn't going to bring up.

So, it should be obvious that a workaround is needed.

That workaround is for people to go ask BHO questions themselves. Details at my name's link.

For Palin to call ... (Below threshold)
For Palin to call Obama terrorist

Nice one there Taft, though she didn't call him a terrorist...keep trying there dickweed.

You have an appointment? Wh... (Below threshold)

You have an appointment? What? Yes look at the time and date in your taskbar right now? There are so many days or even moments to when your appointment happens?
It is appointed for man to die once and after this comes judgment, Heb 9:27.
Are you ready for your appointment? If you put off the decision to when your appointment happens then will you be in for a big surprise of your life, or should I say your soul. What decision, the decision to call on Jesus to save you? You and I have a problem called sin. We can either face God with our sin or we can have a substitute in our place? Jesus can be your substitute for you. Jesus can be your sin bearer. You may ask why? For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16). Jesus left heaven and came down to earth because of our sin problem to save you. Jesus died on the cross for the penalty of our sins.
Will you let him save you by calling out to him?
Your response is your responsibility.
The promise can only be yours if you tell God that Jesus died for you and that God hath raised him from the dead, you will be saved. You have the opportunity to call on Jesus to save you. here and now! Do you want to face God with your sins or do you want it known there and now between you and God that you accepted his love expressed through his son Jesus!

Jack Taft - Obama is not a ... (Below threshold)
MikeNC:

Jack Taft - Obama is not a terrorist. He is, however, a terrorist sympathizing marxist. Feel better now?

You have to understand the ... (Below threshold)
Proud kaffir:

You have to understand the leftist MSM/ liberal academia worldview:

radical leftist bomber or Anti-American cleric= hero.

U.S. military war hero or successful businessman = terrorist.

At first, I was appalled how someone like Ayers could ever be hired as a professor in a university. However, I then realized that the universities are filled with former sixties radicals. To them, people like Ayers are to be admired.

I don't think Palin was wro... (Below threshold)
CharesB:

I don't think Palin was wrong in her assesment. Ayers was a terrorist. Is he now, I don't know, but Barrack did associate himself with him. No different than Palin and her husband association with that Alaskan seperatist party that hates being a part of America. I guess the question is issues, should the parties talk more about solving our problems or bashing each other on perceptions of character that can not be used to define define anyones actual character. How many people in America have relatives that hate one group or the other or hate what America is, yet they do not share the same values. Look at what some of your friends and relatives believe, does it define you. Let's stop wasting time on bull and talk about our economic woes, housing problems, the war...and which one of these tickets can help get America back on track. I wish there was another dominant party, this is getting old.

CALLING A US SENAT... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
CALLING A US SENATOR A TERRRORIST??????

Don't misquote Gov. Palin just to put a bunch of question marks at the end of a statement. She said he associated with people that "helped bomb the pentagon" and "a slumlord convicted on 16 counts of corruption". His statement of meeting with Iran without pre-conditions (that Biden tried to redefine in the debate) fall right in line with this reckless thinking.

Mr. Taft,"Simply bec... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Mr. Taft,
"Simply because he is black and running for President??"
Why do you liberals project these words on Obama's critics? It has been written time and time again if Obama was a white man he would not have gotten even close to the Democrat nomination. What is the office of the presidency to you in the 21st century, an affirmative action program? The questions of the associations that established him politically are clearly relevant. Would this information not be relevant to you if it applied to John McCain? Forget the criticism of Ms. Palin's experience which I have no problem with. But the attacks on her family that your ilk subjected her to says everything I need to know about what the left in this country has become. Kennedy? Humphrey? Fulbright? I have a feeling if they were alive today they would be following in the footsteps of Joe Lieberman.

CharesB-When anyone associa... (Below threshold)
sue:

CharesB-When anyone associates with someone, that is who is going to influence them.

And Obama hasn't just one significant association with terrorists/marxists/criminal associations but MANY.

It reflects on what he really believes, and it reflects on his judgement.

Issues are important but so are ones associations/character. Who one associates with says something about what they believe, how they will act and what they will do.

Obama throws up many, many red flags and he has done nothing to alleviate those.

I think playing the race ca... (Below threshold)
just me:

I think playing the race card is one of Obama's riskiest moves-especially in cases that even half intelligent thinkers won't see as racist.

The more Obama and his surrogates (even if those surrogates are pretending to be unbiased, neutral reporters) cry racism when there isn't any, I think he will have two major problems on his hands.

1. He will look like a whiner. I think he already has looked like a whiner for a while, but the Wall Street financial crisis made the average voter forget. But the American voter isn't going to vote for somebody who is a whiner to be president. Whining doesn't invoke an image of leadership.

2. The white voter that sits in the middle, or who may be thinking about Obama, but isn't with him on all issues isn't going to respond well to being called a racist.

I also can't help but wonder if the idea that every criticism in the newspaper or TV news or blogsphere is going to be seen as "racist" for the next four years with Obama as president won't turn some people off.


It's not just his associati... (Below threshold)
hermie:

It's not just his associations, but his willful blindness regarding not just these characters, but to all his other political and social associations.

Obama is a product of corrupt Chicago Dem politics. He claims the mantle of reformer, but he has never demonstrated that he has fought corruption. He has in fact, been a supporter of the corrupt system.

I love the AP defense:... (Below threshold)
Proud Kaffir:

I love the AP defense:

Obama did not associate with Ayers for social reasons. He associated with the unrepetant terrorist for poliitcal reasons and for political advantage.

Gee, that sounds so much better.

BTW:It's hilarious... (Below threshold)
Proud kaffir:

BTW:

It's hilarious that the AP has offically become Obama's spokesperson. There is nothing but unmitigated spin in this article.

Does anyone know this Obama... (Below threshold)
burt:

Does anyone know this Obama drone at the AP , email or phone number !!
We need to respond to this radicals comments and Obama propaganda NOW

So glad these "racist" "rad... (Below threshold)
Alec:

So glad these "racist" "radical" terms have come up.
Is the AP saying that Ayres is BLACK?
The AP is playing the race card.
It's about time the mainstram, left-wing Obama-mania media has been FORCED into bringing the facts about Obama's RADICAL associations into the brutal light of day-
Unrepentant terrorist Ayres was "not a casual acquaintance from Barry's past."
Google: Stanley Kurtz-Annenberg
Obama-Acorn
Obama-Rev GD America Wright
Obama-Father Fleuger- and the list just keeps on going with Tony Rezko, Franklin Raines, Christopher Dodd, Fannie and Freddie, Farrakhan, foreign campaign donations and those from Hamas and Hezbollah.

Tune into "Hannity's America" tonight at 9 p.m. on the Fox News network- so see an in-depth report on these associations and others.
(Yeah- I know, the Lefties hate Hannity- but buck it up and open your eyes for a change).
Till then, spend some time on the website:
www.obamawtf.blogspot.com
(Obama-What's Facts).

Stop drinking the Kool Aid and realize this country is in mortal danger from this left wing Marxist, black theology man-child of questionable ties, relationships and beliefs.

McCain-Palin 2008

VOTE- and don't waste your precious right to vote on a "write in candidate."
Make your voices heard and your VOTES COUNT !

Taft hurls the race ... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Taft hurls the race card, and misses.

Simply because he is black and running for President??

Black? I don't care if he's green. He went for and got the New Party endorsement. The NP was and is made up of socialists and communists. It is a bunch of ultra left-wing nutcases and willing dupes.

Sarah Palin said: "I think Americans need to know more about who Obama is."

If any of you read the posts I made under DJ's thread, then you know I said that McCain's job right now is to define Obama if McCain wants to win. That turned out to NOT be an original thought although I had no references then. It would seem that McCain and his advisors and Sarah Palin have started down that path.

I wondered.

So I started to do more research.

Go back in time and read all about Carter and how he won. Obama has been running Carter redux. Carter was 15 or so points ahead when Ford started on the attack. Ford narrowed the lead to two points by election time. McCain is at most about 4 or 5 points behind right now and has started doing the same thing that Ford did back then. It looks as if someone in McCain's camp has been doing their homework.

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/663xubeb.asp

It's actually kinda frighte... (Below threshold)
jimboster Author Profile Page:

It's actually kinda frightening. The AP appears to be at Obama's beck and call as a sort of pseudo fact checker. After Obama mentioned his KIA bracelet during the first debate, conservative web sites noted a radio interview with the dead soldier's father, where he mentioned the family had asked Obama not to use their son's name in his campaign. Within hours, an AP story appeared allegedly "debunking" the story.

Ahem...You posted ... (Below threshold)
Anonymous:

Ahem...

You posted your comment without context, as the AP article goes on to state, quote:

"Palin's words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism. But is there another subtext for creating the false image of a black presidential nominee "palling around" with terrorists while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn't see their America?

In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers' day 40 years ago. With Obama a relative unknown when he began his campaign, the Internet hummed with false e-mails about ties to radical Islam of a foreign-born candidate."

Granted, while the connection is not enough for AP to be making these insinuations outright, you ignored this important qualifier in AP's flawed argument, showing that you are as unbalanced as they are if not more so.

TALK IS CHEAP ... CHECK OBA... (Below threshold)
Howard:

TALK IS CHEAP ... CHECK OBAMA'S RECORD !!!
A candidate's track record, and associations are always a legitimate issue when running for President. Let's take a look at the qualifications, judgement, and experience of Obama, who is running for President. Obama had 25 years to fulfill the potential he displayed as a rising start at Harvard Law School ... and, how did he live up to that potential? ... He chose to align himself with anti-American racist, Jeremiah Wright for TWENTY YEARS ... along with Ferrahkan, Rezko, Ayers, and others. As a community organizer, he registered thousands of voters in Chicago ... then, when he ran for the state legislature, he took away their votes, by disqualifying his opponent (a black woman) on a technicality. As a U.S. Senator, he voted present 160 times ... he never called a meeting on the Afghanistan committee he chaired (although he NOW says we must shift all our military from Iraq to Afghanistan). He claimed Foreign Policy experience from a 9 day whirlwind photo op to 6 countries. And, he spent almost half of his tenure neglecting his responsibilities as a U.S. Senator, so he could run for President. Senator McCain served America honorably for 22 years in the military. He proved his love for America, as well as his honor, integrity and character, by refusing early release as a P.O.W., even while being tortured. He served America as a 'contributing' U.S. Senator, working across the aisle, for 20 years. If Obama's Twentyfive year track record shows he lacks judgement, and can't be trusted, who cares what he says about Health Care and the Economy! What Obama never learned is Character. He simply can't be trusted ... ask Jeremiah Wright, a friend of 20 years, who Obama betrayed for personal ambition ... and, you Obama supporters really think he won't betray you If he gets elected??? If he gets elected, you Obama supporters will be facing a HUGE disillusionment !!!

So what's new with the Asso... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

So what's new with the Associated ( with terrorists) Press. Time for independant news organizations to form their own worldwide news collection service and put the AP (which I haven't trusted for years) out of business. If a story is credited to the AP you can bet it's 99% wrong or pure lies. Roto Reuters is running a close race in the lie department. If I see AP or Rwuters in the credit line I know there's little use in reading the story. Screw them both.

What else is new? The extre... (Below threshold)
Darrell:

What else is new? The extreme left tells you you're a racist if you disagree with them; the extreme right tells you you're a traitor if you disagree with them. I don't know if people in this country are even capable of having an intelligent discussion any more.

My my, some of you people s... (Below threshold)
Pau;:

My my, some of you people sound like unrepentant idiots, ya'll been listening to too much of that twit Hannity. If associations matter so much, lets go into McCains ties with............Keating. He IS one of the Keaing Five you know. That bailout only cost 130 Billion. It's really sad, the right (what a misnomer) dosen't realize McCain can't win. That is unless there happens to be another "terrorist" attack on US soil, that would be the ONLY way McCain has a chance.

"Ayers was a terrorist. ... (Below threshold)

"Ayers was a terrorist. Is he now, I don't know, but Barrack did associate himself with him. No different than Palin and her husband association with that Alaskan seperatist(sic) party that hates being a part of America."

And exactly how is it the same? Is it the same in that Ayers actually bombed US locations and, oh wait... Alaska's Independence Party didn't bomb anything.

Okay, is it the same in that Ayers actually helped launch Obama's career in his living room and co-chaired an organization with him and, oh wait... the Alaskan Independence Party never raised money for Palin nor did she ever sit on a board with its members, let alone ever even become a member.

So how is it that there's no difference again?

jack taft ... (Below threshold)
marc:

jack taft (lower case intentional) - "or Palin to call Obama terrorist just like....." yammer, yammer, stutter, expend copious amounts of HOT AIR....

geebus taft, next time warn us all so we can prepare out spittle shields!

Anonymous~"Ahem...... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Anonymous~

"Ahem..."

Who the hell are you talking to and what in the hell are you talking about? Overt or not, AP is still suggesting Palin is using racism by "filling in the blanks", themselves. This tactic is useless because anyone could see they are painting the racist picture for the readers so they "get it." And there is no such thing as an "important qualifier" in a flawed argument. Flawed means all bets are off.

Hiya Pau; Question, are yo... (Below threshold)
Larry:

Hiya Pau; Question, are you that ignorant or just trying to have fun throwing debunked accusations around?

If associations matter so much, lets go into McCains ties with............Keating. He IS one of the Keaing Five you know. That bailout only cost 130 Billion.

You are correct. McCain received a reprimand from the Senate. It seemed that he took campaign donations from Keating and helped with legislation to relax rules for S&L's. And the bailout cost 124 billion for taxpayers and about 30 billion from the industry.

There were five Senators involved; four Democrats and McCain. Glenn of Ohio and McCain were rebuked and the other three found their political career cut short.

For McCain's own explanation, please refer to a NY Times article that has a link to long for me to post and I dunno how to do the link thing using hypertext. You can google it just as I did.

"He went, he says, not for Charlie Keating but because of the jobs Mr. Keating's American Continental Corporation provided in Arizona, because, he says, it appeared that regulators were unfairly giving Lincoln Savings a hard time. He relied, he says, on an accounting report, signed by no less an economic emminence than Alan Greenspan"

At the time, Greenspan was considered a credible source.

So what is the point:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/19/85451/3991/545/603547

It is simple. If it is guilt by association and association has something to do with campaign contributions, then I have a problem with Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Barack Obama and a host of other Democrats who covered for Fannie and Freddie, acts that led directly to the current crisis.

You cannot hold one politician, John McCain, responsible on the one hand and ignore what other politicians have done in similar circumstances. Frank, Dodd and Obama were all trying to help minority and economically disadvantaged folks buy a house. McCain was trying to help a major employer in Arizona.

Here is my problem:

With this recent history, how on earth did we get in the mess we are in currently?

Here is a question for you Liberals; How many of the top Democrats who helped Fannie and Freddie screw the taxpayer were in office during the S&L crisis? dailykos runs off at the mouth about McCain, so when is that bunch of lunatics gonna notice that there are a whole bunch of left wing Democrats in Congress that has caused a crisis 10 times bigger.

The race card is so overblo... (Below threshold)
Kathy:

The race card is so overblown. Now, can we look at the sexism card they continue to use.

Oyster-Well, techn... (Below threshold)
Clint:

Oyster-

Well, technically Governor Palin did "associate" with at least one member (or former member) of the AIP. Her husband was once a member.

But, nonetheless... yes, totally laughable to compare.

Ayers is an actual, honest-to-goodness terrorist.

Of course, the real fun will be the questions about what exactly Ayers and Obama GOT in return for the tens of millions they disbursed in Chicago for the "education" of the children...

I WAS AT THE RALLY YESTE... (Below threshold)

I WAS AT THE RALLY YESTERDAY...what the A/P alleges DID NOT HAPPEN!!!!

Read the transcript...watch the video.

This is one of the most outrageous LIES since Goebbles in the 1930s...and from the same kind of people.

I am outraged by this...OUTRAGED!!!!

It's a pity you all fail to... (Below threshold)
Havilah:

It's a pity you all fail to realise that McShame can't win. Unfortunately for him, he already got the GOP nomination, I would have advised him to try maybe Eight years from now. But like you know, if he looses now, that will be the end for him as far as The Presidency is concerned. Well, he's served Arizona and by extention, America well (or what else should I say?) but, he's not a Presidential material for the 21st century. Have you guys bothered to find out why the GOP fully aware of his age and his "strenghts" decided to bring up the likes of Bush in preferrence and knowing what mess Bush has led us all into, decided to bring him now. It's all calculated brothers. They know they can't win now, so they brought one of their spent force to make a feeble challenge hoping for some luck to remain in power and also bidding their time for 2016 I guess by which time McShame will be nearing his ancestors. Being a journalist doesn't mean calling red 'black' just cos you wanna be "un-biased". Hey guys, if you've not registered yet, why don't you go and register now and vote for the one. Please, check your timetable (lol). It's Dems time and it's Obama's time, no negative alignment or re-alignment will snatch victory from him. It would've been good if Palin didn't start the character assasination campaign - poor her. She played into the trap, she's feeling on top of the world cos of the debate - it was all set up. Don't mess with the strategists. Simply put - it's the dems time, and there won't be any florida issue this time. Luv ya all. Peace.

Larry, I'm sure I'm ignoran... (Below threshold)
Pau;:

Larry, I'm sure I'm ignorant of a lot of things, as I suspect are you. As to the current bail out of Wall St. there is plenty of blame to go around. Fannie and Freddie did not MAKE the mortages, but they did gaurantee them. It wasn't the trying to get low income people into homes that was the problem, it was the predatory lending such as 110% loans, no documentation required, ARMS and other radical practices. The major cause was the repeal of the Glass-Stegal act in 1999 which had been in place since 1933 in response to the Great Depression.. That alllowed the banks to go into ever widening speculation and leverages. I know Clinton was president in 99', but the bill was sponsored by Phil Graham, of "nation of whiners" fame.

I believe you should vote for the man, not the party, and McCain ain't it. Didn't 8 years of Bush teach you anything about whats good for the country? I don't envy whoever gets it, he's got a helluva hole to dig out of from the gitgo. And why the hell are we STILL in Iraq?

Luv ya all. Peace.... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Luv ya all. Peace.

No ya don't. Back atch ya.

"Didn't 8 years of Bush ... (Below threshold)

"Didn't 8 years of Bush teach you anything about whats good for the country?"

lol! Bush didn't make this mess. Bush tried to head it off. McCain tried to head it off. Hasn't a month of reading taught you anything about what's good for the country?

Please.

"And why the hell are we STILL in Iraq?"

Objection, your Honor. Irrelevant. Counsel's mind is wandering.

we are the dumbest people o... (Below threshold)
Ko:

we are the dumbest people on earth;

- 2 million foreclosures
- 6.1% unemployment rate
- Heading in deep depression
- 10 billions a month in Irak
- 11 trillions debt
- 2 wars

And now look at what the stupid people are talking about!!!! Obama a terrorist!!!!

We have the leaders we deserve. Please another 4 years of Bush we'll help awake this dumb crowd.

sarah palin seems like a ev... (Below threshold)
john laughter:

sarah palin seems like a evil rascist white woman full of deadly venom, worst than lizard mccain........
I hope you also start to question Mrs. Palin (& her husband's) membership/association with the Alaska Independence Party, an organized political party that advocates separation from the rest of these great United States. How can we have a national leader who doesn't even want their own state to be part of our great union? I understand that your blog is conservative but what could be more conservative than full love and support for our union (all 50 states of it)?
I love America, right or wrong, and I do not want my state to separate from it, nor do I want any leader who thinks their state should.

God bless America (all of it).

Obama a terrorist!!!!... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Obama a terrorist!!!!

Nobody said he was, yet you keep hearing those words in your head.

LaMedusa, it's the concussi... (Below threshold)

LaMedusa, it's the concussion talking :)

God bless America ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
God bless America (all of it).

Hey, look! You got this part right!

LaMedusa, it's the... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
LaMedusa, it's the concussion talking :)

Uh huh, in stereo! :D

Excuse me, irrevelent? Wh... (Below threshold)
Pau;:

Excuse me, irrevelent? When is 10 Billion a month spent in Iraq irrevelent? We were talking about the economic mess that the Bush policies have gotten us into with "the trickle down theory" among others. I heard a speech given in 2002 by Bush that stated he was helping to reduce restrictions so that even low-income people could get into a home, and "it didn't have to be a lousey home either".....the ownership society. Of course I heard it on a hated Liberal station, but it sure sounded like the Prez. You could probably find it on utube or Googgle it.

And by the way, I think the Iraq war is an unholy stain on this great nation....the whole premise of invading a country to fight terrorism is flawed. Terrorists are criminals, when do you invade a country to stamp out crime? Only in Bushworld. And what percent of the muslims are terrorists? Does it justify killings hundreds of thousands of innocents for a few thousand bad actors? It's just like the war on Drugs, it'll never be won because there is too much money in it. I may be wandering all over the place but I seldom get a chance to post on a Republican blog.....not that there is anything wrong with that.

Pau; ????? should that hav... (Below threshold)

Pau; ????? should that have been "Paul"?? Should you avoid banned substances before posting?

what the thing calling itself "Pau;" posted was: "Does it [the Iraq war] justify killings hundreds of thousands of innocents for a few thousand bad actors?"

First "Pau;" called terrorists "bad actors"...though having seen re-runs of Sean Penn films I would have to agree.

That said, the line/lie "killings hundreds of thousands of innocents" continues to be the LOUDEST lie of the Left.

We did NOT kill "killings hundreds of thousands of innocents"...the number of innocents killed is less than that in total...and we killed VERY FEW of them
The jihadists killed the vast majority of innocents..we killed the JIHADISTS!

Further, Saddam Hussein kiiled and AVERAGE of 100,000 innocents per year from 1992 to our invasion. Since we stopped that POS in 2002 that means 6 years worth of people ALIVE that would otherwise NOT have been!

From 2002 to 2008 Hussein (no relation to Barak) would have killed 600,000 people!

"Pau;"...seek medical attention...SOON!

Shut up! Don't you go and c... (Below threshold)
Maggie:

Shut up! Don't you go and call Palin a racist. If anyone is a racist, it's you!! At several points in Obama's earlier life, he was a racist too. He was filled with hate for white America, all thanks to Rev. Wright. But Obama is a calculating man. He wanted to run for public office. So he kept his hate to himself and locked it up.

Ok Pau;, you be civil and I... (Below threshold)
Larry:

Ok Pau;, you be civil and I will return the favor:

And why the hell are we STILL in Iraq?

Good question. I will give you the short answer. Based on what I can figure out from watching the reaction of the terrorist class, we are in Iraq to create a magnet that attracts the nutcases to armed troops instead of the malls here in the US.

I can go into reams of detail. I can dissect the psychology of the more radical versions of Islam, the cultural factors that motivate both their leadership and the followers. There is little opportunity for those of us here in the US to get an understanding of just how alien those people think and act.

I won't do that here.

Instead, I would like for you to consider that the militants themselves think that Iraq is the front line. I would like for you to consider that their long term goal is to convert us or kill us. I would like for you to consider that with our porous borders, if we could in fact defend our water supplies, electrical grid or the security of our malls from dedicated killers, just to name a few of our vulnerabilities.

Pau; I ma... (Below threshold)
Larry:

Pau;

I may be wandering all over the place but I seldom get a chance to post on a Republican blog.....not that there is anything wrong with that.

So long as you are civil, you are welcome here so far as I know and have seen. I have nothing to with running the place, this is just my observation.

In point of fact, you might just get a somewhat different point of view than what you have read in the past. Political beliefs are most often based on the information we read and our emotional response to that information. Do ignore the catcalls from those who like to do that sort of thing. Do pay attention to those who disagree with you based on the facts.

Do try to respond with facts, not your beliefs.

It is likely that most folks here base their beliefs on a different set of information they consider factual than what you are likely to have been exposed to on liberal oriented sites.

As information, we don't consider dailykos to be a credible source. *grin*

Have fun, but keep it civil, please.

The AP 'story' is a smokesc... (Below threshold)
hermie:

The AP 'story' is a smokescreen...Trying to accuse Palin of something she never said, or implied. The AP guy is making it all up in order to create 'outrage'.

Note how the MSM is headlining the story as 'Palin Defends Remarks'. That suggests she has something to defend, which suggests that she said something she shouldn't have. Well, in the AP universe, bringing up something Obama has actually said and done is now 'racist'.

Palin and McCain should turn right around and show Obama and Ayers' relationship, as well as Obama's history with the corrupt Chicago political machine.

Pau;It's ... (Below threshold)
Larry:

Pau;

It's just like the war on Drugs, it'll never be won because there is too much money in it.

We lack the national will to really wage a War on Drugs. Part of this is the money and part of it is that we lack the will to put our next door neighbors in jail. And finally, drugs are considered to be primarily a ghetto issue where conservatives are afraid to thread and rich, white liberals don't really care.

If we really wanted to get rid of drugs, it is easy. We simply pass either a law, or if the Supreme Court says no, a constitutional amendment to execute anyone caught with more than say 5 grams of a controlled substance.

Then we back it up by giving free drugs to registered addicts. It would probably be useful to make marijuana legal and tax it and also make it the same as alcohol in terms like DUI, etc. You put users who don't register in jail for one year first offense, 5 years second and life for the third.

Singapore is basically drug free and that is more or less what they do there.

Sorry folks, I didn't say I was for legal drugs, the issue is how to win the War on Drugs and that is how you do it.

Governor Palin has a histor... (Below threshold)
Patrick Matt, Jr.:

Governor Palin has a history wrapped around Republican condescending and insulting the intelligence of the people they lead while keeping their true agendas under elitists rugs. She is a true puppet of the McCain ticket. Taught, rehearsed, and thrown out into the middle of this important election only to give McCain an edge with female and youthful voters. Previous to the republicans choice for her on the VP ticket...McCain seemed to have neither. Gov. Palin is a desperate and last chance gamble for the republicans and McCain at the presidency...do you think the republican party would have HONESTLY chose her if they had a true edge in a SOLID candidate??? Come on...don't kid or insult your own intelligence America. We've done enough of that for the past two presidential terms.

Patrick Matt, Jr., where to... (Below threshold)

Patrick Matt, Jr., where to begin?

Why would a political Party choose an un-qualified, out-of-the-mainstream, ignorant person who can only recite words...and has no real ability to lead?

I dunno, ask the Democrats how Obama wound up atop THEIR ticket!

As for Sarah Palin, she is the most popular Governor in the 50 (or 57) States! She has been successful in EVERY endeavor of her life, from small business to Mayor to Governor...and build a successful family along the way.

Every REAL AMERICAN can identify with her, and with the challenges she has overcome!

but bottom-dwellers like Patrick Matt, Jr. RESENT self-made people. They worship lifelong politicians like Biden, and machine-products like Obama. Heros like McCain and genuine folks like Plin scare them!

Justrand,Nothing wou... (Below threshold)
Patrick Matt, Jr.:

Justrand,
Nothing would scare me more than to watch America let McCain and his would be regime machine come to power in America. He is a G. Bush, Jr. prototype with no real vision of his own. Who said I resent self made people or heroes...bottom dweller??? Are you apart of the McCain/Palin smear-fest as well??? You'd be PERFECT for their desperate campaign. As far as Palin being the most popular Gov. of the Union...why don't you share those thoughts to the Native American communities she's constantly been politically dismantling since her seat in her elitist Alaskan office??? Or do you republican REAL AMERICANS even care about the BOTTOM DWELLERS??? By your parties track record...probably not.
OBAMA for CHANGE!!! :)

Patrick Matt, Jr.~... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Patrick Matt, Jr.~

Other than your pointless, grandiose rhetoric...

Governor Palin has a history wrapped around Republican condescending and insulting the intelligence of the people they lead while keeping their true agendas under elitists rugs.

Bla bla bla, yackety-schmackety. And another "Do tell!" moment. But I am so disappointed that there were no links or sources to back up this history lesson, so we'll just stay on topic by replacing Palin with Obama and Republicans with Democrats in the above quote. Okie Dokie?

Or do you republic... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Or do you republican REAL AMERICANS even care about the BOTTOM DWELLERS???

"Bottom dwellers". Heh. What a spaz. Who are you calling desperate?

Yeah justrand!... (Below threshold)
epador:

Yeah justrand!

LaMedusa,"Who are yo... (Below threshold)
Patrick Matt, Jr.:

LaMedusa,
"Who are you calling desperate?"
Only a party that chooses rather than focus on the crumbling economy, the crippled health care system, and our dire environmental situation. The McCain campaign isn't fighting with answers for our country...they're fighting with infantile "sticks and stones" tactics to draw America away from their answer-less platform. So, personally bomb away at me rather than convince me with your candidates' argument...that's the McCain and "REAL AMERICAN" way isn't it???

Dear Okie Dokie,<a... (Below threshold)
Patrick Matt, Jr.:
MEDIA BIAS ROBS AMERICANS O... (Below threshold)
Howard:

MEDIA BIAS ROBS AMERICANS OF THE TRUTH
... NOW, AP IS UNFARILY PLAYING THE RACE CARD ...
The media's continual bias in favor of Obama is not only disgusing, it's against everything that America, a Free Press, and Freedom of Speech stands for. To suggest that there is no media bias in favor of Obama not only robs Americans of the truth, it insults the intelligence of the American people.
TALK IS CHEAP ... CHECK OBAMA'S RECORD !!!
A candidate's track record, and associations are always a legitimate issue when running for President. Let's take a look at the qualifications, judgement, and experience of Obama, who is running for President. Obama had 25 years to fulfill the potential he displayed as a rising start at Harvard Law School ... and, how did he live up to that potential? ... He chose to align himself with anti-American racist, Jeremiah Wright for TWENTY YEARS ... along with Ferrahkan, Rezko, Ayers, and others. As a community organizer, he registered thousands of voters in Chicago ... then, when he ran for the state legislature, he took away their votes, by disqualifying his opponent (a black woman) on a technicality. As a U.S. Senator, he voted present 160 times ... he never called a meeting on the Afghanistan committee he chaired (although he NOW says we must shift all our military from Iraq to Afghanistan). He claimed Foreign Policy experience from a 9 day whirlwind photo op to 6 countries. And, he spent almost half of his tenure neglecting his responsibilities as a U.S. Senator, so he could run for President. Senator McCain served America honorably for 22 years in the military. He proved his love for America, as well as his honor, integrity and character, by refusing early release as a P.O.W., even while being tortured. He served America as a 'contributing' U.S. Senator, working across the aisle, for 20 years. If Obama's Twentyfive year track record shows he lacks judgement, and can't be trusted, who cares what he says about Health Care and the Economy! What Obama never learned is Character. He simply can't be trusted ... ask Jeremiah Wright, a friend of 20 years, who Obama betrayed for personal ambition ... and, you Obama supporters really think he won't betray you If he gets elected??? If he gets elected, you Obama supporters will be facing a HUGE disillusionment !!!

Who let this braindead moro... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

Who let this braindead moron Patrick Matt out of the psych ward?

The worst thing is that we ... (Below threshold)
synova:

The worst thing is that we hear this sort of thing (charges of secret or "code" racism) so often that it's hard to even get upset by it any more. It's just noise.

I predicted it perfectly, P... (Below threshold)

I predicted it perfectly, Pau;. Your mind was indeed wandering. One mention of the money spent on the war. One sentence. Then you "heard a speech" in 2002 and had nary a word about what Bush tried to do in 2003. Then you wandered off into the old, "Terrorists are criminals,.." canard, bemoaning in detail everything about the war BUT the money spent.

Objection sustained.

They're not just 'criminals', Pau;. They declared war on the United States. Assuming you're a US citizen, that means you, me and almost 300 million others.

why don't you sha... (Below threshold)
maggie:
why don't you share those thoughts to the Native American communities she's constantly been politically dismantling since her seat in her elitist Alaskan office??? Or do you republican REAL AMERICANS even care about the BOTTOM DWELLERS???

What irony, a pompous poster calling native
americans, (wait for it), bottom feeders.
Is that irony or what?

The AP has a strong liberal... (Below threshold)
Therese:

The AP has a strong liberal bias in its reporting. They need to be "called out" about it because their stories get disseminated to other news organizations with very little editing. The AP is pro-Obama.

If Palin is such a patriot,... (Below threshold)
SeekingTheTruth:

If Palin is such a patriot, then how come her husband was a card-carrying member of a group that wanted to take Alaska and secede from the United States? Palin spoke at the group's annual meeting and told the group to, "Keep up the good work!"

If America is such a great country, why would she and her husband support her state seceding from our Great Land????

Seeking the truth~... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Seeking the truth~

Her message was to focus on the progress of the state and upholding the constitution. There isn't a hell of a lot in the video to make a ruckus about.

The AP is nothing but a bun... (Below threshold)
Chris:

The AP is nothing but a bunch of moronic idiots to put it bluntly. They are Pro-Obama. So of course they going to nit-pick, bitch, moan and groan about the McCain/Palin campaign. America is sick of the AP and their bullshit.




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