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Obama Will Meet with Iran Without Preconditions; Iran Not Willing to do the Same

Iran knows Barack Obama will be just as weak on foreign policy as Jimmy Carter, so its leadership, in anticipation of a Obama presidency is already taking an aggressive position knowing Obama won't fight back. Obama is willing to meet with Iran without preconditions:

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Iran, however, is not. Iran's vice president has laid out conditions that must be met if President Obama wants to meet with Iran.

Vice President for Media Affairs Mehdi Kalhor said on Saturday that Iran has set two preconditions for holding talks with the United States of America.

In an exclusive interview with the Islamic Republic News Agency, he said as long as U.S. forces have not left the Middle East region and continues its support for the Zionist regime, talks between Iran and U.S. is off the agenda.

It is the Americans who are in dire need of reestablishing ties with Iran, he underlined.

Iran is not obliged to reestablish ties with the U.S., he said.

"If they take our advice, grounds for such talks would be well prepared," he said.

Iran is not obliged to reestablish ties with the U.S., he said.

"If they take our advice, grounds for such talks would be well prepared," he said.

Nice, Obama. You aren't even president, and Iran is already licking its chops. If you actually become president, the Iranians are going to eat you for lunch and America and her citizens will suffer terribly for it.

Hat tip: LGF



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Comments (30)

Gee, it looked like it was ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Gee, it looked like it was gonna be so easy after Berlin. I'd send Biden. They'd give in to anything just to sht him up.

Game, set, match to the Ira... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

Game, set, match to the Iranians. They, at least, know that this is a game you play for keeps.

I seem to recall a predicti... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

I seem to recall a prediction or two about the invasion of Iraq strengthening Iran's hand. Perhaps that's what's emboldening their rhetoric.

Well, I can already see the... (Below threshold)
JB:

Well, I can already see the script for 2008-2017, should Obama succeed in his designs.

Every Obama failure: it's Bush's fault.

Thanks for the preview, Adrian.

It is 1938 and we are Europ... (Below threshold)
Dan Patterson:

It is 1938 and we are Europe.

In the world that Obama has in his little head, there is a land of goodness and harmony that will be animated when the correct leader is selected. Think Sword in the Stone set in 2008. But but but: The world of sinful humans is as much about defending against tyrants and murderers as it is about free trade and respecting someone's desire to worship a meteorite.

Obama has the concept of "Now is bad, but with me and my administration all will be well" down pretty well and many have swallowed that line whole. There is also the tone of being above the fight as his underlings break philosophical and argumentative windows (Crystal Night...), the lift of the chin, and the carefully metered speech that has the effect of questioning his motives seeming so unpatriotic if not downright racist.

And has anyone else noticed the pronuciation of his name becoming European? "Ba-waak".

I can't help but be reminded of Mussolini, H, and Huey Long. And a clown car full of trained monkeys.

I have been conned before, and have witnessed some very good con-games on the local and national stage. And as cons go,this con is good, but there is no end-game: The O will find himself installed in office, wondering what to do next (lots of high-fives and man-hugs, and solemn statements about "a new day", and "national healing", blah blah blah) and his backers will move about silently and unnoticed clipping the meat from first the Bill of Rights, and then from the concept of Liberty, and on to individual property rights, eminent domain, and the thousands of details that separate the US from Eurostan. All for the betterment of the state, individuals be dammned to hell for thinking for themselves.

Get in line, stay in step, and don't talk.

Best of luck to all. And remember to keep copies of the Constitution and Bill of Rights hidden. We will need them when the New Day ends.

Dan Patterson
Arrogant Infidel

Should he be elected presid... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Should he be elected president, Obama is going to find out in the real world they play for keeps and the bad guys never fight with rules imposed on them that are imposed on American fighting forces.

McCain of course already knows this from personal experience, no on-the-job training required.

This is just one reason tha... (Below threshold)
hermie:

This is just one reason that Obama MUST be defeated. Despite the MSM saying that its all over and Michelle can get the final fitting on her Inaugural Ball dress, there are enough legitmate voters who need to get to the polls.

Why do you think these 'world polls' say that Obama should be POTUS? Because they KNOW he is weak and can be easily pushed around. BTW... It wouldn't matter to 'the world' if the nominee was Obama, Daffy Duck, or Charles Manson. As long as there was a 'D' after his name, they know that it is a party filled with anti-Semites and self-loathing of the US.

Maybe the dipshit messiah s... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Maybe the dipshit messiah should consult with Jimmah Caaatah about dealing with the Iranians.

ODA, how do you really know... (Below threshold)
Allen:

ODA, how do you really know, except for your BS, what Obama is going to do with Iran? McCain sings "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran." Are you really that brain dead not to realize our military is really over stretch?

There are more Arabs in the mid east than there is American troops. Right or wrong?

Therefore, the majority of Arabs right now may hate the US, they are not fighting us. Let McCain in the White House, and he bombs Iran, we will have one hell of a lot more US military dead.

But don't worry, non of you yellow elephants are involved over there. So keep up your BS and when it happens, you may not like the results that happen here in the US.

More and more US taxpayers, from all walks of life, and different political party, are getting very upset with the "trickle down" BS the GOP loves to spout, plus most of the GOP just loves using the military, (McCain voting record on vets benefits sucks) and you say you support the troops.

Wake up, the American people are starting to, and that is why Obama is leading the senile McCain. And the truth be told, neither one is really qualified to be President.

And how do we know while he was a POW, he wasn't brained washed to become a so called "Manchurian candidate"? Can you prove he was or wasn't? Well, neither can I, but I can, like the GOP has done in the past, start using the swiftboating BS.

Get over your ODS and start asking each McCain and Obama what exactly their plan is to start solving the problems our country faces.

I'll give you ten to one odds you can't/won't do that, you'll just keep on dishing out the party line on BS.

Well, Allen, I'll give you ... (Below threshold)
braininahat:

Well, Allen, I'll give you a hundred to one that you can't/won't admit how stupid Obama is for having said he would meet leaders of rogue nations without preconditions.

Crazy Amed has just owned Obama, and the guy hasn't been voted pres. yet. Hopefully, never.

Iran is most likely going to get bombed by Israel sooner than later, so the policy to bomb Iran seems rather sensisible given their intransigence on developing nuclear weapons, er, power.

It is sound foreign policy not to meet without preconditions, a policy Obama mocked as ridiculous. Of course Obama later tried to distance himself from his words, obfuscating as usual, but obviously the Iranians and anyone with at least half a brain have taken him to say what he idiotically did say.

So, that legitimacy everyone warned Obama about giving to such leaders has been handed to Crazy Amed tenfold. Obama has yet to be voted president and already his stupidity has placed America on a more difficult position with regard to Iran. Crazy Amed made a political move in saying what he said, because the opening was there, but now negotations between Iran and the US just got more difficult.

Stay smart, Allen.

What the fuck is left to di... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

What the fuck is left to discuss with Iran?

The US and Europe have been meeting - at various levels - with Iran regarding their nuclear aspirations for over a decade. End result: Iran is continuing to do everything in its power to develop the ultimate Jew/infidel killing machine.

Obama isn't naive or foolish. He is delusional. Nothing he can say will have any effect on Iran. Nothing he can offer will be enough. And Iran will honor nothing it promises.

All Iran's leadership cares about is killing Jews in Israel and killing Americans wherever they can.

Obama's foreign policy is a horrible joke. Except no one will be laughing when they've got the bomb.

Should he be elect... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Should he be elected president, Obama is going to find out in the real world they play for keeps...

He's going to find that out, as well, should he not be elected.

'scuse me asshole Allen, th... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

'scuse me asshole Allen, the messiah already TOLD us what he's going to do with Iran......"talk" to them without preconditions. Where the f&ck have you been for the last year? AND he'll do that right after he invades Pakistan. Of course, Iran's just a "tiny" country we needn't worry about.

Sounds like he's got a plan, indeed. Wish he'd share more of it with us. Must be waiting until the teleprompter's fixed....or more coaching on foreign affairs by Neil Kinnock..ooops, I mean Biden.

"Obama's foreign policy ... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

"Obama's foreign policy is a horrible joke. Except no one will be laughing when they've got the bomb".

You are oh so right Baron. Of course little asshat trolls like Allen and his pals most likely weren't around during the 50's and 60's doing duck and cover drills under their desks at school while Nikita was banging his shoe at the UN. Talk about living in fear. It's like this is a "feel good about yourself" game to these idiots. Their idea of fear is visualizing the local starbucks out of mocha syrup for their latte. The endgame they seek is to feel good about themselves and how benevolent they are. Most have never served anyone but themselves nor anything but what benefits them.


Actually, ODA, since I'm ce... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Actually, ODA, since I'm certain you're a person of high intellectual integrity and not interested in just spouting the party line, what Sen. Obama actually said was that Iran was tiny compared to the Soviet Union, and that their threat to the United States - relative to the USSR during its heyday - is small.

Which, if you think about it, is absolutely true.

The endgame they seek is... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

The endgame they seek is to feel good about themselves and how benevolent they are.

I've always felt that the hallmark of a reasonable person is the ability to state his opponent's argument without resorting to a straw man.

Are you reasonable?

My hunch is that the curren... (Below threshold)
kathie:

My hunch is that the current President already knows what Iran's preconditions are. They have said over and over again, get out of the Middle East and Israel is dead.

Parthenon, ANY country atte... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Parthenon, ANY country attempting to develop nuclear weapons isn't "tiny" and especially so if the country boasts of incinerating a neighbor based on religious differences.

For Obama to NOT consider this evil of the highest maginitude and somehow denegrate it because of geographic size is childish not to mention fool hearty and dangerous.

wrt the strawman, we find our current financial mess rooted in the CRA, resulting in Carter, and later Clinton etal showing the world how compassionate they were for giving the poor home ownership. Of course them not being able to pay for it didn't matter because Jimmah and der sclichtmeister were doing right. Now that Bill and Mary (you know the ones with a credit score of 550 and no job) can't pay the mortgage, WE all get to help 'um out. It's the "pay later" mindset of the people who initiate these programs that gave rise to my comments. Of course, it's entirely possible the CRA and comparable programs weren't just for the "feel good" factor but rooted in a much less palatable motivation.

Allan,Iranians are... (Below threshold)
BPG:

Allan,

Iranians are not Arabs. I suggest you read "Guests of the Ayatollah", perhaps two or three times, if you want to know what is likely to happen if your selection for POTUS gets the job.

Allen - "ODA, how do yo... (Below threshold)
marc:

Allen - "ODA, how do you really know, except for your BS, what Obama is going to do with Iran? McCain sings "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran." Are you really that brain dead not to realize our military is really over stretch?"

Are you really that brain dead to parrot the military is "over stretch" [sic] horseshit?

Here's a quick primer nitwit...

A U.S. Naval blockade using U.S. Navy ships (ones that are not overstretched even in the mooniest of moonbat imaginations) and whatever pathetic NATO "fleet" that can be mustered would bring Iran's military and its economy to its knees within 10 days or less.

Why?

The blithering idiots that run the place are more concerned with atomic weapons and have so few oil refineries they must import 40-50 percent of the gas they use on a daily basis.

A blockade equals NO GAS. NO GAS equals no Iran resistance other than a few meek whimpers.

allen, go back to your obama-bot masters and get a new talking point, the one your using is foolish and nonsensical.

"...what Sen. Obama actu... (Below threshold)

"...what Sen. Obama actually said was that Iran was tiny compared to the Soviet Union, and that their threat to the United States - relative to the USSR during its heyday - is small."

ODA answered to that pretty well. An atom bomb is no less devastating if it comes from Russia or the Canary Islands.

Or is Iran just seeking to make tiny atom bombs?

Or is it that Iran will only be able to blow up a couple US or Israeli cities, whereas Russia could blow up more?

Or is it that Iran doesn't yet have the bomb and they won't be a threat until they actually do?

And considering the fact that Obama doesn't see Iran as a threat and he would never invade them, but he would invade Pakistan, who DOES have the bomb.

I don't get it. Where's the reasoning there?

So, when considering Iran's... (Below threshold)
SShiell:

So, when considering Iran's preconditions, what is the big deal?

First, they want us out of the Middle East. With Obama as President, that is a given. he has been preaching surrender all of his political life.

Second, they want us to abandon Israel. Also, not a problem for Obama. Anybody here think the Messiah is going to continue to provide support for Israel when his Leftist base calls for Israel's demise - not a chance. The first incident between Israel and ____ (fill in the blank, there are so many possibilities) Obama will tell Israel how poorly they are conducting themselves and as fast as you can say "The Shah of Iran" (Remember Carter?) Israel will be hung out to dry from that day forward.

So, again, what's the big deal here? Just like Carter, Iran will play us just like an old fiddle and a second rate Thugocracy will have the US dancing like a fool to their tunes and Obambi will think it is great diplomacy.

I don't get it. Where's ... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

I don't get it. Where's the reasoning there?

Well my reasoning is that I try as I can not to lie, and correct others when they lie or make a mistake. If we can't even get the facts straight, there's no way we can come to reasoned opinions. I take no issue with many of the conservative criticisms of Senator Obama; I take issue only with the lies.

As to Sen. Obama's reasoning, I imagine it would have to do with the ability to project a nuclear weapon onto American shores, relative to the old Soviet Union's ability to do same. I imagine he was trying to guard against becoming obsessed over Iran, keep them in perspective, as our country failed to do in late '02 with a certain other Islamic nation.

He has made clear that he finds a nuclear Iran unacceptable and would work against that outcome, IMO in a more constructive way through direct engagement, rather than the old 'close my eyes and cover my ears and scream LA LA LA and pretend you aren't there' method that has worked, well, let's see, terribly in the past.

We don't lend objectionable regimes our legitimacy by talking to them, folks. They're already legitimate. If anything, as with Castro, and to a lesser extent Mao pre-Nixon, we give them a convenient crutch on which to blame all their regime's many failings (if not for those damn Americans, you'd all be living on more than 300 bucks a year, it's not MY fault!).

"We don't lend objectionabl... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

"We don't lend objectionable regimes our legitimacy by talking to them, folks. They're already legitimate"

I guess all the past foreign policies have been predicated on a misconception. Thanks for clearing this up for us.

In regards to Iran, I tend ... (Below threshold)

In regards to Iran, I tend to think of it as psychologists telling us to reward our kid's good behavior and punish bad behavior. Somehow, I don't think they're saying to bribe the kid into good behavior. That teaches him to misbehave when he wants something.

I know, Iran is not a kid, but they're acting as if they've already learned the art of bribery works. "I'm going to continue to do this bad thing until you give me what I want. Then, maybe, I'll stop." When will we understand that they have no intention of stopping no matter how many carrots you throw at them?

As to Sen. Obama's... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
As to Sen. Obama's reasoning, I imagine it would have to do with the ability to project a nuclear weapon onto American shores, relative to the old Soviet Union's ability to do same.

The problem with that reasoning is that it doesn't take into account that the leaders of the Soviet Union were sane while the leaders of Iran don't seem to be. While the sane leaders of the Soviet Union were and still are detoured by MAD, the leaders of Iran seem to think that divine intervention will prevent U.S. ICBMs from destroying their cities even as they launch nuclear missiles at Israel or U.S. bases. The weakness of MAD is that it doesn't work against mad men, and the danger is that Obama doesn't know or believe it.

Help me remember - do we tr... (Below threshold)
Jake:

Help me remember - do we trust Iran when they tell us stuff or do we not trust them? I can't seem to remember, considering you're buying into what they're saying now as if bears some weight, but haven't done so in the past when they've said other things.

I'm so confused! I thought Iran was a bunch of genocidal liars hell bent on our destruction, willing to do anything to kill us all. Yet here we are hearing that they're upstanding folks whose word is one we can trust.

Ugh.

Obama's foreign policy (whe... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Obama's foreign policy (wherever it is) makes me laugh. Just four years ago, he was ready to bomb Iran. They are the ones who have been consistent. They still want Israel wiped off the map, and as many Americans wiped out as possible. In 2004, Obama actually cared about neutralizing radical Muslim theocracy:

Democrats' Obama ready to bomb Iran

On September 24, Barack Obama--the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate from Illinois, and a shoo-in favorite--suggested "surgical missile strikes" on Iran may become necessary. "[L]aunching some missile strikes into Iran is not the optimal position for us to be in" given the ongoing war in Iraq, Obama told the Chicago Tribune.

"On the other hand, having a radical Muslim theocracy in possession of nuclear weapons is worse," he said. Obama went on to argue that military strikes on Pakistan should not be ruled out if "violent Islamic extremists" were to "take over."

http://socialistworker.org/2004-2/515/515_07_Obama.shtml

Can't we just let him go over there and not let him back on the plane, the way McCain did with Maureen Dowd?

Since what Obama really mea... (Below threshold)
epador:

Since what Obama really meant was that he would meet without Iran's preconditions, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

Iran won't have to do anyth... (Below threshold)
Jiefnm:

Iran won't have to do anything at all if the Republicans drive this country into the ground first.




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