The ability to disagree with a political agenda is one of the great things this country was founded on.
To take that to the level of voter fraud is a whole other ballgame.
One side in the political spectrum cries "racism" and "disenfranchisement" when solutions are proposed... That side, unsurprisingly, is THE main beneficiary of this widespread fraud.

We already have a Dem controlled Congress, and we have seen the antidote to "the culture of corruption" is... much more corruption.

God help us if they gain the Whitehouse.

Though advanced as a nation, we are not beyond the possibility of civil war. I scoffed when someone mentioned it before, but considering my own, tiny, opinion cast on Nov 4th could be obsoleted by an ACORN rep registering Mickey Mouse, I would absolutely do what is necesssary to protect what so many have died to give me.

This shit needs to stop NOW.

Show ID. Pencil. Paper. Mark ballot. Keep paper ballots locked up until election is certified. Done.

That's it; no electronic gizmos, no 'same day' voting, no busloads of supposedly 'homeless'voters (how do they prove they are homeless, btw? Can I march down there and claim to be homeless and vote? Why not?)

If this country does not get it's election system straight, we are going to have real problems within a very few years. People need to start doing very long prison sentences for voter fraud.

Every honest citizen should vote against this mess by voting against Obama. Once the election is over and there is no way of fixing the votes that were illegitimate, we will all have lost because America will have lost its integrity in the eyes of the world.

National ID anyone?

Its the only way to prevent vote fraud and election manipulation by organizations like ACORN.

If men have to register for selective service when they turn 18 why can't *everyone* register to vote by getting a national ID when they turn 18?

Older people, naturalized citizens and others that are legally able to vote can register if they want to vote in elections. Otherwise they can sit by the sidelines with convicted felons, who by the way, are registered with the government.

Son Of The Godfather...your post is SPOT ON!

"my own, tiny, opinion cast on Nov 4th could be obsoleted by an ACORN rep registering Mickey Mouse"

...and by ACRON registering someone 73 times
...and by ACRON registering the Dallas Cowboys roseter in Las Vegas

etc..

the dillution of our votes is STAGGERING.

and this shit DOES need to stop! One way or the other!

I also agree 100% with Sonofgodfather. I see my only exclusive right in this great country that I possess has been marginalized and/or eliminated by the size of the fraud ACORN has organized, is just wrong.

Thank God for the second amendment. ww

Everyone must remember that the very foundations of or country, are exactly what the liberals want to change.

Nationalism is bad, bring in multiculturalism.
Religion must be suppressed, unless it's Islam.
Rugged individualism must be replaced with the collective. It takes a village.
Skill, intelligence and hard work are irrelevant to the accumulation of wealth. Rich people just got lucky. Bring in redistribution of assets to those who won't earn them.
Violence is never the answer. Peace at all cost. Better Red than Dead.
The American people are not intelligent enough to make their own decisions, government will save us from ourselves.
Free Markets don't work. You might actually incur loss. Bring in the bailout and the new New Deal.
If everyone can't or won't afford health insurance, then they'll give it to all, at the expense of the best health care system on earth.
Competition makes losers feel bad. Do away with all winners. No grades, no scores.....

Liberals don't care about our foundations. They will reshape America to their liking. It's too bad they don't realize their ideas have been tried again and again. 100% Failure rate. Life isn't fair, and no one can make it so.

We could always take the low tech approach -- dip a voters finger in purple die like they do in "third-world" countries. That way it doesn't matter how many times you register, you'll only be able to vote once.

Rance-

You are nothing but an Amputee-A-Phobe. Conspiring with your right wing nut jobs to embarrass and suppress the double amputee american comunity with your bogus "issue" of voter fraud.

>removes tongue from cheek, returns to avoiding work

Son Of The Godfather:

Do you believe that Mickey Mouse would be allowed to vote in any precinct in this country?

Do you believe that a person registered 17 times at the same address would be allowed to vote 17 times?

Which would you consider a more egregious violation of your rights as an American: Having someone vote illegally in your precinct or showing up to vote and finding that you have been wrongly deleted from the registration rolls?

Do you believe that Mickey Mouse would be allowed to vote in any precinct in this country?

Yes, if they are policed by Democrats.

Do you believe that a person registered 17 times at the same address would be allowed to vote 17 times?

Yes, if Democrats are doing the *ahem* "quality assurance".

Which would you consider a more egregious violation of your rights as an American: Having someone vote illegally in your precinct or showing up to vote and finding that you have been wrongly deleted from the registration rolls?

I would rank them equal in terms of egregiousness, and I swear this to you on my life: I don't care if it's a Democrat, Republican, or freakin' Martian doing it - violaters should be punished SEVERELY. I would probably shock most if I offered up what I think the penalty should be for voter fraud.

I'm not the only one who thinks that strongly on the subject.

Here's some good reading for you.

Barack Obama and the Democrats are stealing the election. Massive voter fraud is being carried out, even as we speak, by their henchmen, known by the innocuous sounding Association for Community Organisations for Reform Now, or Acorn. Clever bastards.

The only problem? Despite the screaming wall-to-wall coverage of "Democratic voter fraud in 11 swing states" as seen on Fox News and even the once-respectable CNN, none of it's true. None of it.

...
Here are the facts. Acorn verifies the legitimacy of every registration its canvassers collect. If they can't authenticate the registration, or it's incomplete or questionable in other ways, they flag that form as problematic ("fraudulent", "incomplete", et cetera). They then hand in all registration forms, even the problematic ones, to elections officials, as they are required to do by law. In almost every case where you've heard about fraud by Acorn, it's because Acorn itself notified officials about the fraud that's been perpetrated on them by rogue canvassers. Most officials who run to the media screaming "Acorn is committing fraud" know all of the above but don't bother to share those facts with the media they've run to. None of this is about voter fraud. None of it. Where any fraud has occurred, it's voter registration fraud and has resulted in exactly zero fraudulent votes.

You'll hear that Donald Duck, Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy, Mickey Mouse and (new this year) the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys football team have all had fraudulent registrations submitted in their names. That's true. And we know this, why? Because Acorn told officials about it when they followed the law and turned in those registrations, flagged as fraudulent.

How about someone voting under your name, Rance? Is that egregious enough? How about someone voting in your precinct, and theirs, and someone else's. Even in different states. How about registering with different addresses knowing that with the avalanche of registrations ACORN purposefully dumps at the elections office to overload the system, two or more of your fake ones might slip through the cracks? It's not just the Mickey Mouse names and you know it.

At least if you get there and find you're not on the list you have an option to cast a provisional ballot.

I'd say that's a lot better than having your vote canceled out by some sleazebag.

Right Brian, ACORN is catching ALL of the THOUSANDS of fraudulent forms. They are truly a bipartisan organization and the fraudulent forms are overwhelmingly "Democrat" due to a strange, cosmic coincidence.

Holy crap... I didn't see that Bri was quoting that bastion of "truth" (small "t"), The Guardian. LOL. Hey Bri, I think ACORN even said they're catching all the bad registrations, so I feel better now.

Hey Bri, I think ACORN even said they're catching all the bad registrations, so I feel better now.

Good. You might have sooner, if Steve had included this excerpt from the article he cited:

[Cuyahoga County Board of Elections official] Platten insisted officials with ACORN have offered "any and all" help in probing the questionable activities.

Brian's slurping heavily from the koolaid jug.

Now we're getting "nuanced" explanations too: See, it's not "voter fraud" it's "voter REGISTRATION fraud", 'cause you know - that's different.

What really bothers me is ACORN's psychology behind it all. It's purposefully concentrating their efforts in Democrat areas when they claim to be "non-partisan". It's the purposeful intent to over-load the system which will result in error they can either complain about or stay silent about depending on what it is. It's the lawyers screaming "disenfranchisement!" of minorities. It's the tooth-and-nail fight against any checks and balances in the system like showing ID. It's the, "We flag the troublesome ones to help the government," bullshit when OF COURSE Mickey Mouse isn't a real person, but "John Smith" is conveniently registered in four counties and two states as a democrat. It's the message that they try to convey through all this that liberals far outweigh conservatives so anyone who thinks conservatively is "out of touch".

"We're empowering the people". Right.

Yes, if I were with an organization that was caught red handed, I might offer "any and all" help in probing "questionable activities".

Of course, It might just be SOME questionable activities that were spotlighted...
And I'd get to determine what those questionable activities were... Registered 8 times?... "Iffy"... Registered 72 times?!? "questionable!"

But then, I might even be able to offer up many hundreds of questionable activities while leaving hundreds more alone. That way, I get to gum up the entire electoral process with questionable registrations that can't possibly be sorted out by election day.

Brian,
God knows we have our political differences, but this should be a concern for every American citizen.

It seems the many stories of voter fraud that are coming out are overwhelmingly to help the Democratic candidate. There is even a publicly funded and Democratic-backed organization commiting the fraud. At what point, Brian, do you say "THIS IS WRONG" even if, yes, it benefits your candidate?

When someone decides to alter someone else's vote because of different political ideologies, EVERYONE loses and "people" no longer matter. Your opinions are obsolete. You become a minion of the State with all decisions being made (for you) by others.

In my opinion, this is not an overexaggeration.

If Democrats win a fair election, I will mourn my loss and move ahead, secure in the knowledge that my nation has become a nation of an ignorant majority. I will still love America, but lament that stupid people outnumber me (I am sure several Democrats felt this way when we got W re-elected... it's just human nature)... But at least I will still have faith in our election process.

If nothing is done, if the voter fraud is allowed to continue unabated for the most part, the implications are startingly worse - Obama, should he "win" will have zero legitimacy to many. Many will, if they haven't already, lose faith in the electoral process and allow anxiety and apathy take over, for what is to be done when it is known the cards are stacked?

At that point, we don't get the will of the voters, for the will has been crushed. We get... "controlled". It should be a horrifying awakening to anyone who believes in the principles we (and I even include you, Brian) hold dear.

Sorry for the extensive rant, but with all the differences in the political philosophies, THIS one affects every other.

Oyster, do you know the difference between registering to vote and actually voting?

And I'd get to determine what those questionable activities were... Registered 8 times?... "Iffy"... Registered 72 times?!? "questionable!"

Some guy filling out a registration form 72 times because it made him feel important is a lot different from someone voting 72 times (which didn't happen).

It seems the many stories of voter fraud that are coming out are overwhelmingly to help the Democratic candidate. There is even a publicly funded and Democratic-backed organization commiting the fraud. At what point, Brian, do you say "THIS IS WRONG" even if, yes, it benefits your candidate?

And it seems the many stories of voter fraud that came out in 2000 and 2004 were overwhelmingly to help the Republican candidate. There was even a Republican-backed organization committing the fraud. At what point did you say "THIS IS WRONG" even if, yes, it benefited your candidate?

No, it's not right if it benefits my candidate. But you have a tenuous moral position to be complaining about Democratic fraud after looking the other way at Republican fraud.

By the way, the guy who registered 72 times?

On Monday, election officials in Ohio's most populous county asked a prosecutor to investigate multiple registrations by four people who signed up through ACORN. One voter said he signed 73 voter registration forms over a five-month period.

This is an attention seeker, not systemic fraud.

Frankly, I'm more concerned about the big fraud, like holding strict to the rules when it benefits your guy, and then letting the rules slide when it benefits your guy.

And yes, that includes the Sec. State of Ohio.

max,

Do you know what happens to my vote when Democratic John Doe registers with both an address of "1616" Mockingbird Lane AND an address of "161b" Mockingbird Lane?

It may get caught by an organization who's bread is buttered by Democrats.

It may, and will likely be passed on so that John Doe may cast two votes for the candidate and issues of his choice.

If your argument is "but registration isn't a vote", it is weak. Police officers prevent drunk driving accidents by arresting folks under the influence prior to the chaos those drunk drivers may cause...

But they don't get them all.

And it seems the many stories of voter fraud that came out in 2000 and 2004 were overwhelmingly to help the Republican candidate.

Uhm, no. You are missing a few "incidents" that were underreported by any major news sources, but are, indeed, proof of Democratic "operative" nefariousness.

No, it's not right if it benefits my candidate. But you have a tenuous moral position to be complaining about Democratic fraud after looking the other way at Republican fraud.

And you have a wonderous super-ability to be able to peer into my soul at my moral positions and surmise I would look the other way at any voter fraud.

Please continue your weak attempt at moral equivalence as the importance and greatness of our democratic republic disappears.

And you have a wonderous super-ability to be able to peer into my soul at my moral positions and surmise I would look the other way at any voter fraud.

I don't peer into your soul, and I don't have to surmise. I peer into your writing. If you'd like to point me to any of your online rants I may have missed that are against specific Republican-supported voting shananigans, I'd be happy to reassess.

Thought so.

Son Of The Godfather:

I don't know what the laws are in your state, but where I live, there is are election judges from both parties at every polling place. So unless the judge from your party is asleep on the job, you aren't going to have the rampant fraud that you seem to think is going on.

Yeah, I'm probably just overreacting.