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Joe Biden Lets the Truth Slip: Vote for John McCain over Barack Obama

Joe Biden argued why Americans should not elect Barack Obama president of the United States but, instead, should pull the lever for John McCain:

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

"I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it," the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. "This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."

"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

Thanks, Senator Biden. You made the case for John McCain beautifully.

Bob Owens:

Has any Vice President in U.S. electoral history ever made it more clear that his running mate is completely unfit for the office that he seeks?

And if Biden dosn't have faith in Obama, why should the rest of us?

Update: Here's the audio of some of Biden's comments. It doesn't include all of them, but you can get a flavor of his tone.

Update II: The McCain campaign has responded. The Political Punch has the details:

"The next President won't have time to get used to the office. We face many challenges here at home, and many enemies abroad in this dangerous world. Just last night, Senator Biden guaranteed that if Senator Obama is elected, we will have an international crisis to test America's new President. We don't want a President who invites testing from the world at a time when our economy is in crisis and Americans are already fighting in two wars.

"What is more troubling is that Senator Biden told their campaign donors that when that crisis hits, they would have to stand with them because it wouldn't be apparent Senator Obama would have the right response.

Forget apparent. Senator Obama won't have the right response, and we know that because we've seen the wrong response from him over and over during this campaign. He opposed the surge strategy that is bringing us victory in Iraq and will bring us victory in Afghanistan. He said he would sit down unconditionally with the world's worst dictators. When Russia invaded Georgia, Sen. Obama said the invaded country should show restraint.

"We cannot spend the next four years as we have spent much of the last eight: hoping for our luck to change at home and abroad. We have to act. We need a new direction, and we have to fight for it."

Update III: Ralph Peters tells us exactly how an Obama presidency will weaken America and where the threats to our national security will come from.


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Comments (65)

Senator Biden, please conti... (Below threshold)

Senator Biden, please continue to enjoy a nice, big, delicious cup of Keep Right On Talking.

Makes you wonder what he's learned recently, since he's on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, doesn't it?

It's OK Mr. Biden. Some of... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

It's OK Mr. Biden. Some of us are already aware of the concerns regarding Mr. Obama's readiness to assume the Presidency if elected. Who coaches Biden anyway? I can't believe that after the years this bozo has been serving in the Senate he says stuff like this and people are worried about Palin. I've gotten to the point I feel I'm living in the Matrix or something

What we need is more people... (Below threshold)
Obliv1on:

What we need is more people who are willing to speak their minds like this TV icon. Listen to how prophetic this clip is 30 years later.

http://tobroketolaugh.com/archie-bunker-timeless-political-rant/2008/10/20/

The Cuban Missle Crisis is ... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

The Cuban Missle Crisis is remembered as the point where JFK saved us from nuclear war with the USSR. However, it's usually overlooked that it was also JFK's perceived weakness and inexperience as a president that emboldened the Soviets to begin with.

Unfortunately, I think Biden's right... the U.S.'s enemies will certainly test Obama to see whether he had the fortitude to stand up to them... and there's no teleprompter for this test.

well he's warned you...nice... (Below threshold)
saymorejoe:

well he's warned you...nice slip just like "spread the wealth"...watch the media ignore this too...lol...what do they have to gain by their shameless support for Obama?

Joe Biden can always be cou... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Joe Biden can always be counted on to help McCain. People as conceited as he cannot keep their mouth shut. ww

i greatly enjoy how despera... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

i greatly enjoy how desperate neocons are for a small glimmer of spin leverage from fairly run-of-the-mill quotes like this. its true that biden is making some rather humble and un-spun comments about how there will be an inevitable downturn in their administration's popularity, following the ecstatic world party that will coincide with obama's inauguration (yes, its coming) and bush's nationally and globally long-awaited exit, but thats admitting something that the sane population of the world already understands

Wow, Pea, who is spinning h... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Wow, Pea, who is spinning here? Are you a natural idiot or do you work at it?

I agree, the dems don't even need to vote (or steal them), since Obama already won. Stay home. ww

oh yes, im quite confident ... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

oh yes, im quite confident obama will be president. i hope youre ready. i live in a blue state but i'll still be making sure to cast my ballot for him, as will a large majority of voters, come november. yay.

"im quite confident obam... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"im quite confident obama will be president"

Well, perhaps his educational reforms will be of help to you. Or do you eschew captial letters and punctuation as a way of 'sticking it to the man'?

I would advise you, however, to be very careful about what you're signing on to with your support of Obama. You may find that what you get is not what you wanted or expected - and that you're not going to want at all what you end up with.

Pea, you act as if life wil... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Pea, you act as if life will cease if THE ONE is elected. That republicans will disappear. You are showing your youth and/or lack of experience. No matter who wins, we will march on in the good fight of ideology. Mostly anything Obama does can be undone. ww

peabody3000:..how... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

peabody3000:
..how there will be an inevitable downturn in their administration's popularity

Uh.. the quote of particular interest (to me) wasn't about The Messiah's popularity... but rather...

Biden:

It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy.

When 'the world' decided to test Kennedy (as Biden put it), we found ourselves at the brink of nuclear war with the Soviets (among other crisis).

i pay close and careful att... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

i pay close and careful attention to politics, and obama has been very clear on what he stands for. the distortions ive seen from the mccain campaign have been wholesale sellout tactics. washington politics being what they are, i dont expect 100% perfection from him but i am not worrying at all that he is some wolf in sheeps clothing. mccain on the other hand truly does represent, to at least some considerable extent, more of what bu$h was about, and america is voting the neocon regime out

As I told one of my "fanati... (Below threshold)
Codekeyguy Author Profile Page:

As I told one of my "fanatically Obamized" friends (who cannot identify even ONE accomplishment of The One), to me the presidency is like the military: You salute the uniform, not the man. Even if the officer is a total f**kwit, his rank gets the salute out of respect. I will treat the Messiah in the same way, and plot his "overthrow" in 2012. ( I hope "overthrow" doesn't get the secret service all atwitter!!) CKG

Audio (1 minute) of Biden<b... (Below threshold)
tomg:

Audio (1 minute) of Biden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymy0Woaz81U

>>Pea, you act as if life w... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

>>Pea, you act as if life will cease if THE ONE is elected. That republicans will disappear. You are showing your youth and/or lack of experience. No matter who wins, we will march on in the good fight of ideology

im only acting as if obama can slow or ideally stop the internal bleeding that the bu$h regime has inflicted on the US, and sapping its strength as a superpower. mccain would be a small improvement on that, obama will be a much bigger one. if you are fearful that obama will turn the pockets of the wealthy inside out and institute grand-scale socialism, im happy to say your fears are unfounded. if you are more concerned with other conservative-baiting issues like abortion, immigration, and gay marriage, then it would be you exhibiting a lack of experience. the conservatives on the street may care about those issues but they are only wedge devices for the higher echelons of politics, used cyncally against their own base

>>When 'the world' decided ... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

>>When 'the world' decided to test Kennedy (as Biden put it), we found ourselves at the brink of nuclear war with the Soviets (among other crisis).

i believe the consensus is that kennedy handled the missile crisis quite well. there may be a perception that we were 'on the brink' of all-out nuclear war, but inside accounts of the crisis do not bear that out. in the end, we maintained missiles pointing at the USSR from west germany, and none were allowed to point at the US from cuba. kennedy stood tough

"When 'the world' decide... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"When 'the world' decided to test Kennedy (as Biden put it), we found ourselves at the brink of nuclear war with the Soviets (among other crisis).

_Mike_ - Unfortunately, I can imagine a considerable number of scenarios where Obama, when faced with a tough choice, won't be able to waffle his way out of actually making a decision. And that decision is probably not going to be what seems right at first glance. ("Hey, we really don't need Alaska anyway - and with the Russians threatening to nuke San Francisco if we don't hand it back, I announce immediately that all US military personnel should prepare for a phased withdrawl.")

It probably won't be right at second glance either, but the media will have time to spin Obama's choice as that of being a 'great peacemaker'.

Sigh. Obama becoming President is a lot like a 16 year old walking onto a used car lot that has the 'car of his dreams'. The salesmen (Putin, other heads of state) are gonna eat him alive. All the 16-year old has happen to him is a possible lemon at a crappy loan rate. What's going to happen to the US will be far worse.

"...following the ecstat... (Below threshold)

"...following the ecstatic world party that will coincide with obama's inauguration (yes, its coming)..."

Yeah, the idiots who are going to party that we're just like the capitulating, socialist morons in Europe, and the enemies of America who are going to party because The One is willing to meet with them with no preconditions; and who know that he won't do anything to protect America. They think, and rightfully so, that he's a pushover and a useful idiot. We're aware of all that stupidity. Thanks for the reminder.

im not a dem, but i do know... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

im not a dem, but i do know that even the most liberal types dont consider obama to be any kind of messiah. they just hear better judgement than mccain's... over and over and over again

relax. the mccain campaign told you some awful things about obama and youll at some point realize they arent true. you dont have to agree with everything he'll do as president, but irrational negativity and hyping wont help this country heal from the bu$h years

peabody:... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

peabody:

i believe the consensus is that kennedy handled the missile crisis quite well.

Again, you're talking around the point.

The point wasn't about how Kennedy handled the crisis but the crisis was the result of the Soviet's perception that Kennedy was inexperienced.

Biden's point was that Obama will be tested by the US's enemies, just as Kennedy was and for the same reasons (inexperience)... but not to worry, because he (Biden) will be there.

"im not a dem"Yeah... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"im not a dem"

Yeah, you're just a Labrador Retriever with a custom keyboard.

Sorry, dude. You hit the talking points, you do the little 'bu$h' thing, and you're not a Democrat? Walks like a duck, acts like a duck, talks like a duck, it sure looks to me like you're a duck.

As far as healing goes - I think most of the wounds that need healing have been inflicted by Democrats, kept open by Democrats, and had salt rubbed in them by Democrats, all the while they were complaining how Bush caused everything and we just need to 'heal'.

But a healed wound doesn't translate into media outrage that can be used to snag votes. Just like any problem identified as a major issue by Democrats during the runup to an election is virtually certain to be ignored afterward.

By the way, how's that 'energy plan' Pelosi was touting in '06 working out? And her 'ethical government'? Isn't it amazing that after 2 years they've gotten NOTHING passed that was campaigned on?

You think Obama will be good - I think he hasn't a clue as to the deep shit he's trying to dive into. He sees it as a 'reward' - for what, one can only guess - and is willing to subject the entire country to his on-the-job training mistakes.

Thank you, but no.

"relax. the mccain campa... (Below threshold)

"relax. the mccain campaign told you some awful things about obama and youll at some point realize they arent true."

Fortunately for me, I'm a free thinker and don't rely on anyone "telling" me anything about either candidate, who happen to be the worst two clowns running for POTUS in my lifetime. I've done my own research, as always, and have concluded that Obama is the biggest socialist to ever run for POTUS.

I'm definitely voting for the lesser of two evils. In fact, I'm not voting for anyone in the presidential election. I'm voting against Obama.

"they just hear better judgement than mccain's... over and over and over again"

Apparently, they're not listening to anything Obama has to say, and aren't worrying about any of his associations. Biden is the first clue Obama has bad judgment; every time he opens his mouth is an example. Then there's Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright, Andrew Greeley, et al. His actions aren't too good either. Such as breaking Illinois ethics laws, for one example.

I wish the McCain people wo... (Below threshold)
Mark_CPA:

I wish the McCain people would drop the last eight years crap and insert the last two years instead.

peabody3000 - "i pay cl... (Below threshold)
marc:

peabody3000 - "i pay close and careful attention to politics, and obama has been very clear on what he stands for."

Close enough to explain why he lies when asked about sitting down with Iran's president "without preconditions?"

peabody3000 - "im only acting as if obama can slow or ideally stop the internal bleeding that the bu$h regime has inflicted on the US, and sapping its strength as a superpower."

Really, then how will he accomplish that while systematically cutting our defense budget of critical systems and equipment?

peabody - "if you are more concerned with other conservative-baiting issues like abortion, immigration, and gay marriage, then it would be you exhibiting a lack of experience. the conservatives on the street may care about those issues but they are only wedge devices for the higher echelons of politics, used cyncally against their own base"

Horsesh*t!

There's one single reason some of you obama-bots call McCain a flip-flopper over his immigration stance.

He along with all the other congress critters were inundated with outrage by 70 plus percent of the American people who called it as they saw it. A sellout. Amnesty, and nothing more, they all had the switch positions.

For you to call this issue "wedge devices for the higher echelons of politics" is childish. At best.

like i said, im not a dem. ... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

like i said, im not a dem. in fact im a registered republican, if only because i havent re-registered in years, and will do so only under 'decline to state' next time

marc:
bu$h and his cabal are the ones who mislead us into the iraq war, a criminal war when you take into account the lying and deceit that was used to lure the support of the american people. that war is a source of almost immeasurable damage to our strength and moral standing, and it gained us nothing. it just enrichened a select few

so when did obama lie about the issue of negotiating without pre-conditions? and what kind of cuts to our defense has he specifically outlined that make you think we'll be at risk?

immigration is absolutely a wedge issue, because the GOP has no intention of reining the issue in. they will only modify the talking points to placate the base, as they have been doing for years. if you havent noticed that, it betrays a naivete on your part

Peabody may not be a Dem, b... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

Peabody may not be a Dem, but he is certainly an idiot.

Ah, another mysterious Marx... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Ah, another mysterious Marxist appears in the comments sections claiming to be a former Republican. We've already seen that movie, Pea.

"bu$h and his cabal are ... (Below threshold)

"bu$h and his cabal are the ones who mislead us into the iraq war, a criminal war when you take into account the lying and deceit that was used to lure the support of the american people."

OK, so according to you, there's another problematic association for you to consider. Colin Powell. He was part of the "bu$h cabal" who "mislead us into the Iraqi war". I'm sure you've forgiven him for that now, though, even though you'll never hear him say we were "misled". He also used the available intel from around the world.

"a criminal war when you take into account the lying and deceit that was used to lure the support of the american people."

So the Bush Administration somehow twisted the arms of not only the American intelligence agencies at the time, but also the British and Israelis also, to name just two others?

You're in troofer territory now, pal.

tom:powell is defi... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

tom:

powell is definitely an interesting subject. i believe he knew full well that he was serving up cooked intelligence to the UN and co, but i also believe he was under the severely misguided impression that he could do more good by privately fighting for a higher standard of governance from within than by resigning. the 'available intel' at the time was NEVER convincing and had largely been debunked before the hostilities began. i also think his endorsement may have a political side since rumsfeld, and maybe even cheney stand a small chance of deservedly being indicted

so you think the entire middle east is colluding against the US, but you doubt that israel and england do the same? i guess youre one of those who manage to discount the downing street memo, not to mention other precious chestnuts such as britain including info from a university student's term paper as 'intelligence'?

in iraq, there were no "mobile weapons labs",
chemical weapon drone planes,
active nuke weapons programs,
ties to al quaeda,
ties to 911,
ties to terrorism,
or links to anything else that bu$hco used as justification for the war. it was fraud. thats what is looking, walking, and quacking like a duck. pure and simple fraud.

peabody3000:You're... (Below threshold)

peabody3000:

You're definitely a troofer. I'm not wasting anymore time with you. L8r.

tom, i can see you are uneq... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

tom, i can see you are unequipped to debate anything at all. well that IS the hallmark of neocons of course so i cant say im surprised

L8R

"tom, i can see you are ... (Below threshold)

"tom, i can see you are unequipped to debate anything at all. well that IS the hallmark of neocons of course so i cant say im surprised."

I'm equipped to debate people who exist inside the realm of reality. There is no such thing as a "debate" with troofers. You people perform too many mental gymnastics with reality.

Have a nice night.

Oh, and I'm not a neocon. ... (Below threshold)

Oh, and I'm not a neocon. I'm a conservative. If you're going to label me, label me properly.

This whole thing Biden said... (Below threshold)
martyredcars:

This whole thing Biden said reminds me of why we were supposed to support Bush in Afghanistan and Iraq. But it's like he's saying when Obama gets "tested" we shouldn't question, like Bush was questioned. Just trust and believe. Because no matter how he handles the situation, he will be right, even if it doesn't look like it.

Is that not what he's saying?

Peahead1500 be sure to take... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Peahead1500 be sure to take the free school classes that your 1/2 breed "buddy" will have for you when he wins. snicker snicker

just think - all those demo... (Below threshold)

just think - all those democrats that found themselves on 9-11-01 saying 'you know, I'm pretty glad now that Kerry didn't win' will have a chance to see the alternative after all...except of course Kerry was more experienced and accomplished than the New Age Messiah. I'm thinking the Messiah's bold statements about slashing the military will go miles towards cowing Chavez and Putin, though...right? Take that, dictators! Or I will get rid of our Navy, too!

falze:I know you m... (Below threshold)

falze:

I know you meant Gore and not Kerry. :-)

peabody, I am quite amused ... (Below threshold)
Larry:

peabody, I am quite amused at your regurgitated talking points. If you want some more, I can supply them as I carefully read Liberal blogs to see whose brain malfunctioned on any given day.

relax. the mccain campaign told you some awful things about obama and youll at some point realize they arent true. you dont have to agree with everything he'll do as president, but irrational negativity and hyping wont help this country heal from the bu$h years

The McCain camp hasn't told me a damn thing. I do my own research and read books, like Audacity.

Have you read it? If you haven't, you should. Obama reveals himself. It is an easy read, especially Page 11. Want to discuss that page?

Let me reword your hype:

Relax, the Obama and Democratic Party campaigns have told you some awful things about George Bush and you'll at some point realize they aren't true. You don't have to agree with everything he has done as President, but irrational negativity and hyping won't help this country heal from the slime tactics of partisan politics.

Interesting bit you posted about JFK. You do know that his order to kill Diem, along with LBJ's irrational methodology, is the reason why we bogged down in Vietnam for years. You do realize that, in the words of the Vietnamese themselves, we would have won the war in Vietnam fairly early on except for the influence of the appeasers here in the US.

Well, maybe you don't realize all that. Oh well.

There are three reasons for Iraq. The first is the 200 billion barrels of oil sitting under the sands. The second is to provide a trap for the irrational terrorists, who we would rather go against armed and dangerous soldiers than little old ladies in a mall. Finally, it is a projection of power that has a lesson for those who still think Jimmy Carter is running the country.

Unfortunately, we have folks here in this country who haven't a clue how macropolitics works on a worldwide basis, and a Democratic Party that wants power to the point where they will tell any lie and absorb any defeat to achieve that purpose. And unfortunately, we have way too many Republicans who are just as ignorant.

Be that as it may, it is the hubris of politicians like Tom DeLay on the right and Pelosi and Reid on the left, that act as rotten apples in a barrel. Eating from those apples make some folks feel important, part of a greater purpose, when in fact, they are sickening themselves and society.

If you want to find out how people really are and how the world really works, I invite you to read the works of Thomas Sowell. You can also read Eric Hoffer.

i pay close and ca... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
i pay close and careful attention to politics, and obama has been very clear on what he stands for.

Wow. Only one sentence and one comma between the way you made a false claim, then contradicted yourself.

so when did obama lie about the issue of negotiating without pre-conditions?

The issue is not the lie, it's the "without pre-conditions part. Obama will do nothing to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons. For all the clarity you claim with which Obama has presented what he stands for, you haven't once stated what that is. Your incessant prattle about how Bush has managed the war along with the dollar sign inserted in place of the 's' makes it all too evident you are riding a gravy train of catch-phrases. What that means is, you too are sucker-punched into believing Obama wants to "share the wealth". And it's still not really clear on how he wants to share it.

You should have listened to Biden earlier this year when the dems were debating for the nomination. Even back then he was saying, "America would be better off with McCain." It doesn't matter if you are a registered republican. You're free-style extremist rhetoric suggested a thick-headed RINO. Is this an effort to distance yourself from Obama's contributions to Odinga or the dem's community reinvestment act? No, you probably don't understand enough what those really are, and are saving face in your "Blue State" thinking your on the winning team.

pea[brain]body3000 - "s... (Below threshold)
marc:

pea[brain]body3000 - "so when did obama lie about the issue of negotiating without pre-conditions? and what kind of cuts to our defense has he specifically outlined that make you think we'll be at risk?"

Cuts to defense budget. And note the pie-in-the-sky dream of nuclear disarmament across the globe. The guy is treading into Code Pink territory with that crap.

Here is obamas lie about the issue of negotiating without pre-conditions. Listen carefully, hard as that may be for a "troother."

To summerize the video for such a simple mind as yours here it is in text format:

A questioner asked in a July 23, 2007, Democratic debate if the candidates would be "willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?"

"I would," Obama said. "And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration -- is ridiculous."

Got it asshat? He WOULD meet with the leader of Iran. Not the ruling party or anyone else, but the leader. The president.

Now, go away, hang out with your toofer buddies, or the DUmmuies orf DKoss kiddies your far, FAR out of your intellectual league.

pretty incredible how many ... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

pretty incredible how many accusations i see lined up against obama, and against me for that matter, all drawn from thin air. the bu$h administration lied about iraq. that has been proven. its not exactly extremist rhetoric. is it obama's opposition to the war that allows you to somehow supose he will just let iran have nukes? he has been specific about the importance of not letting it happen, and of actually negotiating with them rather than forever banning them from the table based on unnegotiated demands. diplomacy aint that hard, unless youre bu$h

we all want the same things. the main difference between us is that a lot of you think bu$h is on your side. somehow, he's managed to sell you a lot of bridges

marc:hmmm youre frea... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

marc:
hmmm youre freaking out a bit. just take a deep breath there and answer the actual question... what did obama lie about regarding preconditions? you only managed to quote what he said about the subject and nothing about the lie you allege. if you have something then fine lets hear it

by the way, mccain has promised defense spending cuts too. he mentions such cuts as a big positive part of his past record

tom - yeah, thanks...wicked... (Below threshold)

tom - yeah, thanks...wicked head cold going on over here...i feel like one of those cartoons with the guy's head floating around like a balloon...

Falze:My wife and ... (Below threshold)

Falze:

My wife and daughter are dealing with that very thing. They're both miserable. Get well soon!

All is not lost. Biden is a... (Below threshold)
Hestrold:

All is not lost. Biden is a blowhard. If you think McCain doesn't have a chance, go to his website and check out his schedule. Next three days, Penn., New Hampshire, Ohio, Nevada. No MO, no Virginia.

falze.. do you think gore w... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

falze.. do you think gore would have attacked the wrong country like bu$h did? i dont. that was a monumental bu$h eff-up. gore would have stepped up actual anti-terror operations, the kind that richard clarke fought for and that bu$h would not let interfere with his iraq debacle

correction: for mccain, all... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

correction: for mccain, all is lost. obama may be single digits ahead but the projected electoral lead is astronomical. get ready for president obama, and for a dose of seeing a lot of GOP apocalyptic predictions about his alleged policies and agendas NOT coming true

Dude, the "bu$h" thing? Ma... (Below threshold)
martyredcars:

Dude, the "bu$h" thing? Makes your posts painful to read. Maybe it's cute once, but every time you write his name it's overkill.

peabody - two points:... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

peabody - two points:

(1) Failing to capitalize the first letter in a sentence makes you look like a moron.
(2) Using '$' for 's' reinforces (1).

"And that decision is pr... (Below threshold)
John S:

"And that decision is probably not going to be what seems right at first glance..."

That part of Joe's comments really scares me. Because a logical response to a domestic terrorist attack would be to suspend the Constitution "for our protection." (It worked for Hitler.) Obama was raised a radical Muslim and rejecting that he became a Marxist. It is unlikely we can undo the worst damage that Obama could unleash.

Our best hope is that he instead is Jimmy Carter incompetence times 1,000, the Democratic Congress's approval rating drops 6 points to 1 percent and is swept out in 2010, and we get a Libertarian president in 2012.

peabody, you are distorting... (Below threshold)
Larry:

peabody, you are distorting. I would say you are distoring the facts, but since what you are distorting is opinion, there you go, again.

First of all, Saddam did his best to convince the world that he had WMD. He did use gas against his own people, the Kurds. You do know that much, right? Secondly, do you understand that starting with the Carter administration, the CIA was stripped of its HUMIT, right? You do know and understand the meaning of that as well, right?

Stop me if I say something that you don't understand.

So here we have a guy sitting on 200 billion barrels of oil, who can't really move very much of it, who also is spending what money he can scam supposedly on WMD, got it so far? He was attempting to scare the pants off of those in the oil rich countries he sits in the middle of, right? Got it so far?

So now world leaders take a look at a madman, who swept into Kuwait and basically rapped the country including it treasury, its oil fields, its women, and killed a bunch of people. He is projecting that he has or will shortly get WMD. He leaves a trail to that end. He is trying and he succeeded in scaring the crap out of everyone. Again, remember he gased his own people. Rumors are circulating that he is also STARTING to get in bed with Al Queda.

What's a body to do?

Along comes unintended consequences and boy did that work out really, really great.

While taking out Saddam and his bogus (maybe) WMD, and cleaning up the country, along comes the radical, hard core, convert or we kill you, your women and your children, muslims. They were attracted to Iraq like flies after road kill. And after a bit of time to sort things out, our soldiers starting killing them in wholesale quantities.

In other words, we are killing them over there instead of during shootouts at your favorite local mall. peabody, you do understand the mentality of a hard core, terrorist muslim, right?

There is more, but you either get it at this point or not, your choice.

And again peabody, if you w... (Below threshold)
Larry:

And again peabody, if you want to discuss Page 11 of Audacity, I am still waiting for a liberal to take me on. And waiting, and waiting and waiting and waiting.

Mcshame thats his name. Do... (Below threshold)
joan Pa.:

Mcshame thats his name. Do anything say anything, but says nothing at all. He so busy talking about Obamas plans cause he does't have any of his own. The only plans he does have is to make sure the fat cat top 5% are well taken care of.

What we are witnessing is t... (Below threshold)
yvettra:

What we are witnessing is the demise of the Republican party as we know it. What you fail to realize is your negativity, exclusiveness and bigotry is on its way out. Strum Thurman, George Wallace politics is out. We are on our way to a more inclusive society that your children are ushering in.

Haven't you noticed the upsurge in interacial dating and marriages. Your buzz words are recognized for what they are (muslim, socialism etc.) words meant to inspire fear.

The United States is a very diverse country and that is its stregnth and beauty. We finally have a candidate that can bring out the best that is in our country. This is the country we want and deserve.

Our legacy to our decendants will be an America that they are proud of.

Obama is brilliant you can tell by the way he has run his campaign. For a career politician McCain's campaign has been so full of missteps I shudder to think what he would do as president.

Obama 08

It's so funny that the righ... (Below threshold)
freelyb:

It's so funny that the right has such an obsession with identifying the Messiah. The truth is, they wouldn't recognize Him if He walked among them. Pharisees, and sore losers to boot!

The only plans he ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
The only plans he does have is to make sure the fat cat top 5% are well taken care of.

Yes, you are right. Those are Obama's plans. And you are voting for him, why?

What we are witnes... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
What we are witnessing is the demise of the Republican party as we know it.

You wish.

Our legacy to our decendants will be an America that they are proud of.

That's right, the Republic for which it stands. One Nation under God and Indivisible."

Once in a great while in hi... (Below threshold)
Dr. S.R.S. Bedi:

Once in a great while in history things and trends change in a great way. This is such a time for the world, for the US and for the humanity as a whole. Obama WILL win; Biden will become the next US VP; Hillary may/must be the next US Secretary of State. Obama has the SPIRIT, the energy, the charisma, the intelligence, the wisdom, and the personality of an effective world leader to set the US and the world on a new righteous course. Biden and Hillary Clinton are the best two he and we all can have to make the Trinity the history needs right now. So will it be, is my analysis of the socio-political environment of the US and the world.

I went to see Biden in Seat... (Below threshold)
A TRUE AMERICAN:

I went to see Biden in Seattle this weekend...and PLEASE stop trying to twist what he said around...you all must be republican because you have nothing smart to say, nothing with substance, you act just like McCain (the man who is not ever going to make a good president) and twist things around to make it into a negative. And if you really want to talk about vice presidents...lets talk about Palin....by far one of the stupidest women I know....and that's coming from a woman who is a strong advocate for women....regardless I PRAY that Obama wins...

It's so funny that... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
It's so funny that the right has such an obsession with identifying the Messiah.

Louis Farrakhan called him The Messiah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVHBLeqYo60

It is your party that started calling him The One. And Obama who said, "a light will shine down from somewhere, you will have an epiphany..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mopkn0lPzM8

No he is not ready now, or ever will be, to lead. He's nuts.

"regardless I PRAY that Oba... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"regardless I PRAY that Obama wins"

Be careful what you pray for. And calling people stupid without any reasons or examples is only showing your own ignorance. If you really want to destroy this country, turn its citizens against each other.

Obama campaigned and gave a million U.S. tax dollars to a man who slaughtered his own people because he lost the election. His goal is ethnic cleansing and genocide, as well as establishing Islam as the only true religion.

Wow, a whole pack of trolls... (Below threshold)
martyredcars:

Wow, a whole pack of trolls found this thread.

Oh noes! The troofers are ... (Below threshold)

Oh noes! The troofers are here in force!

hmmm I thought the 'world... (Below threshold)
MF:

hmmm I thought the 'world' adores and is voting for Obama
so why would there be a crisis for him to handle?




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