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As more and more fraudulent registrations are linked to ACORN and criminal investigations get under way in more and more states (15, last time I checked), the latest defense of ACORN seems to boil down to this:

"They're just registrations, not actual votes, so it's not likely to mess up the election, so what's the big deal? Besides, ACORN is actually killing two birds with one stone -- they're getting people registered to vote, AND they're hiring people to do the registering who really need the jobs! So what's the harm?"

This is so wrong on so many levels, I dunno what to say.

First up, setting up the circumstances that could enable voting fraud is bad. At best, it's a form of negligence -- negligence like leaving a loaded gun in a playground. No, you won't kill anyone directly, but you WILL be making it a hell of a lot easier for someone else to kill someone.

Second, even if none of those voter registrations is actually used to vote, it can be used to undermine the validity of any elections. Non-existent registered voters who don't show up count as a "suppressed turnout," and that is often cited as "proof" of some election shenanigans.

Third, ACORN has gone to great lengths to avoid any kind of quality-control process in its collected registrations. They do not perform any kind of verification process on the registrations their employees collect. Instead, they simply turn them all over to public officials and let THEM deal with the inevitable, copious fraudulent forms.

ACORN says that they are required by law to turn in all registrations. But I don't think the law forbids them from having someone go through them and find ones like "Mickey Mouse" and "Tony Romo" and eighty-three forms all filled out in the same handwriting and putting them in a separate pile with a note saying "these look a little fishy."

No, instead they are content -- perhaps even delighted -- to dump that work on the local government officials, flooding them with tens of thousands of fraudulent forms.

ACORN also doesn't threaten any kind of sanction against its employees who commit these crimes. Yeah, they might get fired if they embarrass the organization too much, but they don't make them sign agreements to return their pay or pledge to cooperate with any prosecutions for those who are "victimizing" ACORN.

Then there's the issue of "cost-shifting." Processing voter registrations takes time and effort, and that means money. It's done by local governments. I don't begrudge this expense; it's part and parcel of being a democratic republic. But fraudulent registrations cost money for no gain whatsoever. And that is what ACORN is doing -- flooding local offices with thousands and thousands of bogus forms that have to be treated like every other one, forcing local governments to spend time and money and resources verifying (or disproving) each and every one.

For example: Lake County, Indiana. ACORN turned in over 5,000 registrations. Officials shrugged and waded in, dividing them into two piles: valid and bogus.

After 2,100 forms were checked, the piles were decidedly uneven: the bogus pile had 2,100; the valid pile had yet to have a single entry.

Fraud of that magnitude CAN NOT be accidental. That can only be the result of a system engineered to promote fraud. And as I noted before, at length, ACORN's model for voter registration seems so engineered to collect and pass on fraudulent registrations that I find it nigh impossible to believe that it is accidental.

The "jobs program" argument really, really irritates me, though. Yes, a lot of the people ACORN hires do need the jobs, and it's kinda decent of ACORN to do just that. But at what expense?

As I noted, a LOT of these people collecting ACORN paychecks are cheating ACORN -- but ACORN doesn't seem to mind, because they don't have to pay the price of that cheating.

No, it's folks like the people of Lake County, Indiana who pick up the tab for cleaning up ACORN's mess.

But above all that, there is a fundamental issue that bothers me more than anything else here. It's a philosophical theory at the core of ACORN's efforts that I find most repugnant.

ACORN, by paying people to register to vote, is turning the electoral process into yet another jobs program. It's conflating participating in government with financial gain.

I guess I'm an oddball, but I don't see voting as my job. I see it as my duty.

Unlike a lot of liberals, I don't LIKE all these efforts to get people to registered to vote. I think that the registration process is easy enough as is, and I think that it SHOULD require a little bit of effort to register and vote.

Because when people have to work for something, even the slightest bit, they take it a bit more seriously. They consider what they're going to do. They think about it.

The best defense of our democracy is not a fully-involved electorate. It's an informed electorate. And part of that is self-selecting -- there are a lot of people who simply don't care about such things, and don't feel like putting any energy into things like registering or voting. And that's just fine with me.

No, it's more than that. I prefer it that way.

I will be the first in line should anyone ever try to deny people their right to vote, or even attempt to hinder it. But I do not think that we should be chasing people down and persuading them to vote when they don't feel overly inclined to do so.

ACORN is diametrically opposed to this. They have set themselves up a business model that depends on an ever-growing list of voter registrations, with absolutely no regard as to whether they are valid or not. And in doing so, they are inflicting grave harm on our electoral process, our registration system, and threatening the validity of this election.

But that doesn't matter to their supporters, does it?

So far, one group has filed a RICO complaint against ACORN in one state.

As the saying goes: "more, please."


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"Unlike a lot of liberals, ... (Below threshold)
goddessoftheclassroom:

"Unlike a lot of liberals, I don't LIKE all these efforts to get people to registered to vote. I think that the registration process is easy enough as is, and I think that it SHOULD require a little bit of effort to register and vote."

EXACTLY.

I bet some of those newly-registered voters put more thought and effort into buying take-out pizza.

Well, it's my understanding... (Below threshold)

Well, it's my understanding that ACORN does pull what they consider obvious questionable registrations and turns them in as a separate pile. Well, sorta. I wish I'd saved the story I read that ACORN had pulled some thousand or so applications out of several thousand and designated them questionable, but upon further investigating them, county officials found at least 200 that were perfectly good. And I don't mind saying I wonder if they were Republican ones because ACORN is not, I repeat NOT, nonpartisan as they claim.

Now I fully expect some schmuck (read: Herman) to pop in here and question my intelligence by wondering if I know the difference between voter registration fraud and voting fraud.

Democrats do want people to... (Below threshold)
Ken Hahn:

Democrats do want people to take voting seriously. If they did, the Democrats would lose most of their base.

"I wish I'd saved the st... (Below threshold)
cirby:

"I wish I'd saved the story I read that ACORN had pulled some thousand or so applications out of several thousand and designated them questionable, but upon further investigating them, county officials found at least 200 that were perfectly good."

"Hey, Bob, the local officials are getting suspicious."

"Do what we always do. Give them a big stack of the regular registration forms we send in, and mix in about 20% of the good ones we have from that one honest guy we have working the nursing homes."

Three words: <a href="http:... (Below threshold)

Three words: Denial of service.

Their goal is to undermine our democratic elections and make any victory by their opponents suspect through accusations of voter suppression and racism.

Obama's in on it.

He has the capacity as a US senator to introduce legislation to reform this corrupt activity, and he's done NOTHING.

The media is on on it.

They have the ability and the information needed to blow the lid off this criminal enterprise, and they've done pretty much nothing except provide Obama cover.

Obama=lies=ACORN=fraud=Ayers

They're all the same story.

Two words for you Mr. Tea -... (Below threshold)
Ryan Carey:

Two words for you Mr. Tea - Voter Suppression - and you are serving the kool-aid. I will be looking forward to your next post on Young Political Majors, a group hired by the GOP, which has been caught lying to voters to trick them into registering as Republicans. This case has led to an actual arrest. Can't wait to hear the outrage!

Two words for you ... (Below threshold)
Two words for you Mr. Tea - Voter Suppression - and you are serving the kool-aid. I will be looking forward to your next post on Young Political Majors, a group hired by the GOP, which has been caught lying to voters to trick them into registering as Republicans. This case has led to an actual arrest. Can't wait to hear the outrage!

Translation: You guys do it too, but we are far and away advanced. Capitalism is dead---long live socialism!

No matter how you look at i... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

No matter how you look at it, they are nullifying my vote. I do not like that.

Liberals, why is it you cannot play fair? ww

Ryan -You could re... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Ryan -

You could register me as a Democrat, but there's no way I'm voting for one for President. It matters little what you register AS - what matters is how you VOTE.

Or not. There might not be anyone you want to vote FOR, but there's almost certainly someone you'll want to vote AGAINST.

I think Bruce has it right - we're looking at a voter-registration based DoS attack. Can't you just see the headlines now on Nov. 5th in battleground states that go to McCain, "Hundreds of Thousands denied the Right To Vote!" and after stalling for a week or two there will be thousands of ballots 'found' in ballot boxes that were supposedly emptied and stashed back in the warehouses.

And oddly enough, there'll be just enough of those to get Obama a win. You won't be able to verify them against any voter rolls, of course, but with so many people registering to 'vote' and then not, it's not terribly surprising that things get mixed up, right?

Two words for you Mr. Tea -... (Below threshold)
RickZ:

Two words for you Mr. Tea - Voter Suppression - and you are serving the kool-aid. I will be looking forward to your next post on Young Political Majors, a group hired by the GOP, which has been caught lying to voters to trick them into registering as Republicans. This case has led to an actual arrest. Can't wait to hear the outrage!

6. Posted by Ryan Carey

Comments like this by so-called liberals scare the shit out of me. Voter suppression? WTF? It is my one vote that is being suppressed by this voter registration fraud because we know, at some point, someone will vote twice, or more, and vote for the Dems. That suppresses my one vote.

I'm all for a concerted effort on the part of constituents to get their Congresscritters to pass an ID required to vote law. If someone comes up with the lame statement that not everyone has ID's, I'll bite. To get welfare, you need ID. To get a legitimate job you must have ID. If these unfortunates without ID do not own a car, or have any other reason for not having an ID, then let these voter registration groups transport these no ID's people to their nearest DMV office to get a non-driver's ID. Now that's a worthy goal, to get people ID's so they can legitimately vote, not the fraud we see from ACORN and it's subsidiaries and ideological brethren. One citizen, one vote, one time, with an ID. What's so difficult about that concept? And what hardship could that possibly create for anyone?


Do yourselves a favor and c... (Below threshold)
Michelle's American White Racist:

Do yourselves a favor and check out Stanley Kurtz' latest article, "Something New Here"

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTc3NzZkZDYxODZiZjE2OTg5YWRmNDkzM2U0YTIwZGQ=&w=MA==

Wild Willie -Li... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Wild Willie -

Liberals, why is it you cannot play fair?

Because they deserve to win. They're supposed to win. They NEED to win so they can do good things for everyone. They can justify cheating to win because they're on the side of the angels, because they're morally superior, because they're ethically pure and unstainable, and their cause is holy and sacred.

Conservatives, however, are vile, cruel and vicious, determined to stamp out any vestige of civility and decency in our society, setting up a theocracy if given the slightest chance. Therefore, everything that can be done to stop them SHOULD be done.

I fully expect what would otherwise be determined as 'hate crimes' to occur before the election, targeting Republicans.

All things are justifiable, when viewed in a religious context, and Obama has set himself up the beginnings of a nice little 'cult of personality' dictatorship, in my opinion. Worship of 'The One' has already started, and they'll not take kindly at all to losing.

Right on, RickZ. Very well ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Right on, RickZ. Very well said. ww

Arrest Made in Wid... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Arrest Made in Widening GOP Voter Registration Fraud Scandal

http://calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7226

Wow Adrian, what a comparis... (Below threshold)
epador:

Wow Adrian, what a comparison. Guy who lives in Cali registers at his childhood home twice instead of somewhere else. That's what he is arrested for. Just so happens he's a Republican organizer in a hugely Democratic state. Wow.

Arrest Made in Widen... (Below threshold)
RickZ:


Arrest Made in Widening GOP Voter Registration Fraud Scandal

http://calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7226

14. Posted by Adrian Browne

Ooh, that's so scary. Especially when coupled with the ever-widening investigation into ACORN. Hopefully, a RICO investigation.

But anyone who deliberately registers to vote more than once and does so is guilty, in my mind, of treason, and should be shot. Anyone. Regardless of any party affiliation. Such a severe penalty would, no doubt, stop this voter irregularity nonsense. Does that make you feel better now, Adrian Browne? After all, I'm for fairness, especially in the voting department, as well as any sanctions applied to any person guilty of voter fraud.

The biggest danger with all... (Below threshold)

The biggest danger with all these fraudulent registrations on the books, is that it only takes a few poll workers, after the polls have closed, to start using the available registrations to steal the election.
They're like a "break in case of emergency" thing.
This has become a potential coup. In the United States. And Obama is not putting any distance what so ever,between himself and ACORN. He knows he won't be questioned.

And for all the crap Republicans take, for voter suppression, you have to ask yourself, if a voter doesn't know who the VP candidates are, should they really be voting....?

The Young Political Majors ... (Below threshold)
Weegie:

The Young Political Majors group that has been found to have switched peoples' declared party affiliations to Republican, etc is also a problem.

Excusing ACORN because another group is doing it too, however, is not an acceptable argument.

The fact is that what ACORN is doing is systematic and organized fraudulent voter registrations that will likely overwhelm the capacity of the states to verify each registration and will thus likely result in fraudulent votes.

Both parties should be concerned with any voter registration fraud, and it should be made a serious federal crime to submit fraudulent registrations.

It's sad that I've seen so few Democrats care about the problem that ACORN is causing, or its obvious intention of voter fraud.

Also, the fact is that ACORN is directly associated, through many years of connections, with the Democrat presidential candidate, Obama, should be a major concern. The YPM group is not directly associated with McCain.

Couple the lack of concern about fraudulent voter registration with their steadfast opposition to any requirement for a voter to show ID, and you have to wonder about the lax attitude of the Democrats towards the crime of voter fraud.

Over the past few days I've... (Below threshold)
krkrjak Author Profile Page:

Over the past few days I've seen three different "spoke persons" from ACORN appear on three different (TV) programs explaining their(ACORN) position on the voter registration debacle. The talking points were virtually word for word from all three. That organization needs a thorough cleaning out and people need to go to jail.

The Republican crime wave b... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

The Republican crime wave becomes a tsunami:

"An agreement announced today by Obama for America, the Republican National Committee, the Democratic National Committee, the Michigan Republican Party, the Michigan Democratic Party, the Macomb County Republican Party, the Macomb County Democratic Party, and plaintiffs Duane Maletski, Sharon Lopez, and Frances M. Zick protects the voting rights of foreclosure victims. The settlement acknowledges the existence of an illegal scheme by the Republicans to use mortgage foreclosure lists to deny foreclosure victims their right to vote. This settlement has the force of law behind it and ensures that Republicans cannot disenfranchise families facing foreclosure."


So, what percentage of vote... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

So, what percentage of voters register as Democratics through ACORN? 90%, 95%, 99%?

Anybody want to rebut the above guesses? Do you have any proof?

I'd like to see a 'scientific' estimation of how many fraudulent ACORN submissions are for Dems; and how many ACORN submissions in general are Dem.

Les, you have to be kidding... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Les, you have to be kidding right? ww

Rick:But anyone w... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Rick:
But anyone who deliberately registers to vote more than once and does so is guilty, in my mind, of treason, and should be shot.

But that would eliminate dozens of Republicans! Of course, it would eliminate tens of thousands of Democrats. Hmmmmm... maybe it's not such a horrible idea...

wwI've never actuall... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

ww
I've never actually seen the numbers. I think it's important to understand just what this is all about.

Surely there must be a way to find out how many ACORN registrations are Dems and how many are Reps or Indies or Other.

Generally, in my experience... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Generally, in my experience, you don't have to seek out republicans to register, they are more civic minded. ww

I am waiting for some avera... (Below threshold)
eaglewingz08:

I am waiting for some average citizen in Ohio or Florida or some swing state to file a RICO suit against ACORN and OBAMA for their violations of what they call our most precious right to vote. This is pure Alinksy commie tactics that are used by ACORN. ACORN should be billed for the time and expense that our elected officials have to engage in to sift through these bogus forms and for the expense of election night countings of bogus voters using false identities concocted by ACORN.
Of course with an apparent criminal in charge of Ohio's Department of State, that is not likely in the near future, which is why citizen action may be needed as a catalyst. We also can't count on the DoJ, if Obama wins, anyone who contested the ACORN fraud will likely be dismissed as a racist criminal conspirator.
Such are the times in the Age of Obamanation.

You guys are focusing on th... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

You guys are focusing on the minutia and ignoring the obvious. I don't see black helicopters everywhere, and I don't have a tinfoil hat, but I know in my heart of hearts that ACORN is just one aspect of the Democratic strategy to win this election. Stretching the limits of voting laws is deliberate, and ACORN is no accident. It is a deliberate strategy to tip the balance in closely contested states, just like the paratrooper lawyers that drop into Alaska and anywhere else that the Obama campaign views as a threat, like St. Louis and Ohio. If you're a libtard, it's all about winning an election that you are convinced belongs to you and that you were cheated out of in 2000 and 2004, and it's smart street-level election politics. If you're a Republican, you have a less charitable view. I certainly do.

It just kills me when I hea... (Below threshold)
True:

It just kills me when I hear a Lib say words to the effect of, "Well if ACORN is turning in all these thousands of voter registrations for people who don't exits, then OBVIOUSLY those people won't be showing up to vote, so what harm is there?" YES, those 'people' will ALL be voting by absentee or early ballot. THAT is the harm. And as another poster pointed out, if that still isn't enough to subvert the election in a close state, then a box of absentee ballots will magically be 'found' somewhere and it will amazingly be just enough votes to tip the balance for Obama.

There is absolutely no question in my mind that this has been the plan and the intent all along, and I also have no doubt that the Obama campaign is absolutely behind it. By Any Means Necessary pretty mech sums up the DNC and Obama phisosophy. And the fact that those means are immoral, unethical, ILLEGAL, and incontrovertibly EVIL is not even a factor in their decision to engage in such means.

The circle is complete. THe DNC and the Democrat Party has now BECOME everything they once claimed to abhor.




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