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About That Campaign Worker Attack...

As Kim reported earlier today, the attack on McCain volunteer Ashley Todd in Pittsburgh on Wednesday has generated a massive response in the blogosphere.

Tonight police in Pittsburgh are reinterviewing *** Ms. Todd and sources who have spoken with investigators say they have some serious questions about her story. The photo of Todd - post mugging - has been widely disseminated and discussed. The backward nature of the "B" has drawn the most skepticism.


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Some have noted that the backward "B" is how a person would make the mark on herself when looking into a mirror. That hypothesis is easy enough to disprove if you're willing to mark your face up with a pen while looking in a mirror. If you do that you will find that a "B" still looks like a "B" when using the mirror as a guide. For Ms. Todd to make the mark shown looking into a mirror it would appear to her as a backward "B" as well.

From the photo of Ms. Todd you will also notice that where she laying on the ground and an assailant was in front of her body (looking at her from the forehead down toward her chin) someone writing a "B" from that angle would produce exactly what is shown...

At this point it's really anyone's guess as to whether the story is true, a hoax, or some combination of truth and hoax. More than likely the truth will come out soon enough...


*** Information from the 11:00 PM news report on KDKA (video).


Update: Several readers have written to me to say I am wrong about writing in the mirror. I'll take their word for it...


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Kevin-Do you have ... (Below threshold)
anon:

Kevin-

Do you have a link or could you even give your audience source for this part of your post-

Tonight police in Pittsburgh are reinterviewing Ms. Todd and sources who have spoken with investigators say they have some serious questions about her story.

Where did you get that?

How do you know this?


See the update...... (Below threshold)
Kevin Author Profile Page:

See the update...

Sniffing point:A e... (Below threshold)
Steve Schippert:

Sniffing point:

A eatly scratched B... This done with a knife without piercing the skin by a man who is described to have flown into a fit of rage?

I've felt rage a time or two in my day, and must confess that even under the most disciplined psyche, rage is rage and would surely account for overshooting edges of letters.

Either this was the calmest raging lunatic in recorded history, or the knife was a butter knife incapable of slicing skin open on contact, or the 'victim' laid there still enough for the 'perp' to etch-a-sketch a neat little abrasion 'B'.

This doesn't pass the smell test.

I would suspect that the police are calling her back because they have now viewed through the ATM security video and fail to see any attack.

"A neatly scratched B..." ... (Below threshold)
Steve Schippert:

"A neatly scratched B..." Sorry.

"That hypothesis is easy en... (Below threshold)
sblake712:

"That hypothesis is easy enough to disprove if you're willing to mark your face up with a pen while looking in a mirror. If you do that you will find that a "B" still looks like a "B" when using the mirror as a guide. For Ms. Todd to make the mark shown looking into a mirror it would appear to her as a backward "B" as well."

Color me dense, but I don't think you're correct there. Just tried it... if she looks in the mirror, she sees a normal "B".

In order to have scribed th... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

In order to have scribed that B into her face, he would have had to have had positive physical control over her, especially her upper torso and head. In other words, he would have had to have had her in a headlock... in which case the B would have been..... UPSIDE DOWN.

Thanks Kevin.<br /... (Below threshold)
anon:

Thanks Kevin.


Sadly, this is looking more... (Below threshold)
dogwalker:

Sadly, this is looking more and more like a misguided person trying to garner attention.

IF this is a hoax, then she's either a McCain supporter who just screwed up big time, or an Obama backer (sleeper?) who just hurt McCain.

McCain's had some momentum since JTP. I hope this doesn't slow him. Obama should scare everyone with any sense.

Ack!I hate to be s... (Below threshold)
anon:

Ack!

I hate to be stubborn but I listened to the video twice the reporter at the 11 pm update says that they are re-interviewing her.

I never hear the-and sources say they have serious questions about her story.

Maybe the link isn't loading the correct video?

But I am pretty sure that the 11 pm news would be the latest information and that is the tape that I saw.

As a proud Obama supporter,... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

As a proud Obama supporter, let me speak for 99.9999% of us in saying that we utterly condemn the sick a$$hole that did this (assuming it's true, which I am, until proven otherwise), just as I'm sure you lot would condemn any suggestion of violence or vandalism toward Sen. Obama or his supporters.

Again to re-iterate the rep... (Below threshold)
anon:

Again to re-iterate the reporter in the 11 p.m. update I don't hear him say-

sources who have spoken with investigators say they have some serious questions about her story.

The is B is backwards! Unle... (Below threshold)
Patrick:

The is B is backwards! Unless you are looking into a mirror and etching it on yourself! This will be exposed as a scam. I work in an ED and witness many "cuts." That superficial abrasion looks gently applied, and she would have to have remained completely still during the episode. Keep the public updated on this one! I smell a lie! Look at the eye, have you ever been punched by a 6'4" 200# man...you would look much worse my friends. I live in this area, and I just drove down this street approx 9pm. Very, very crowded!

She's got some pretty subst... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

She's got some pretty substantial swelling around the eye, just not discoloration. She was hit in the cheek, not squarely on the orbital socket.

Ah, no it wouldn't kevin. ... (Below threshold)
wwp:

Ah, no it wouldn't kevin. It's the same reason "ambulance" is spelled backwards on ambulances. it's so people looking in their review mirrors will see it correctly.

Stand in front of a mirror holding a piece of paper in front of you. looking in the mirror draw a b so it looks correct. now turn the paper around and look at it.

If this girl's story proves... (Below threshold)
CSM:

If this girl's story proves to be false, I wholly suspect effigies of her likeness -- backwards 'B', eye-shadowed black eye and all -- will be burnt across the nation.

I would not take the wordin... (Below threshold)
ORyan:

I would not take the wording (rage/fury/whatever) of the articles reporting on this story too seriously. The guy could have been super pissed and still managed to carve it in her face. She may not have struggled at all because she was afraid for her life.

However, if you...

1) Walk up to a mirror
2) Place your hand on your cheek
3) Draw a correct appearing "B" on your hand
4) And finally, examine your hand.

The B is backwards.

The other explanation however does work out (draw a smiley, flip it upside down and draw a B on it, it looks like Ashley Todd's photo). So maybe it happened, or maybe it did not. The fact that it might not be true makes using this story as a rhetorical springboard while simultaneously making it the lynchpin of an argument is silly.

If this girl's story proves... (Below threshold)
xiexieniii Author Profile Page:

If this girl's story proves to be false, I wholly expect that effigies of her likeness -- complete with backwards 'B', pencilled-in black eye and all -- will be set ablaze across the nation.

This whole thing smells lik... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

This whole thing smells like bullshit to high heaven, and we will find out in the coming days. Notwithstanding everything else I've read, like area residents chiming in about how they were driving down the same block near the time of the supposed "attack" and the street was busy as hell. Notwithstanding the fact that the supposed "attack" somehow conveniently occurred off-camera from the ATM. Notwithstanding the fact that the photo looks like no knife wound I've ever seen, if it was real, the mugger would have had to carefully scratch it out with just the very tip of a knife, (it doesn't look like any skin was broken) with the victim holding completely still.

I'll finish with what I find most strange (after everything I said above), if this was real, wouldn't it be an "O" and not a "B"? I mean think about every image you've seen on signs, ads, etc., from the Obama campaign.

This story stinks and it will be exposed this weekend.

I call bu.ll.s.it .<p... (Below threshold)
RonPaulin12:

I call bu.ll.s.it .

This is just way too convenient. First, McCain pulls resources out of truly competitive states to work in Pa. Despite the fact that almost every poll says it's a lost cause.

A few days later this alleged attack is reported. Just the kind of attack to send waves of racial paranoia through the electorate.

The attack doesn't happen just anywhere, it happens IN Pa.

It doesn't just happen in any city in Pa., but in pittsburgh. Very close to Ohio.

The woman this happened to just happened to be "twittering" with *multiple posts* about driving through Pittsburgh looking for an ATM shortly before the attack. Complete with one that reads "Pretty sure I'm on the wrong side of pittsburgh."
ala the church lady, "how conveeenient"

( lifeinthefield.com/users/ashley-todd )

This brutal attack happens and she refuses medical attention. There are no police photos of the victim.

The photo that there is, does not show a knife wound. I've been attacked by a knife, it doesn't end up looking like that.

This is way too neat, the lines way too broad, and getting rounded lines like that is difficult on a still object. Nevermind imagining someone resisting.

Of the 334 stories on Google news about 4 hours ago, all but 12 were word for word the exact same article, and by my count 80%+ of them were carried by Fox affiliates. Looks more like a press release than an independent story.

In other words, flame me all you want for saying it, but BU L L S H T

The sad thing is how willin... (Below threshold)
godblessAmerica:

The sad thing is how willing we all were to believe this kind of thing. How desperate have we become???? I just wish that the McCain campaign didn't do this kind of thing.

The bottom line here is tha... (Below threshold)
Paul:

The bottom line here is that the story may very well be bullshit but the direction of the B doesn't mean a thing one way or the other.

That hypothesis is... (Below threshold)
Nikolay:
That hypothesis is easy enough to disprove if you're willing to mark your face up with a pen while looking in a mirror. If you do that you will find that a "B" still looks like a "B" when using the mirror as a guide.
Whaaat?? What's next, an experimental proof that things actually fall upwards? Or that water is in fact made of stones? Man, if that's how things work in your "reality", you probably need some professional help.
Ha! Nicely worded ... (Below threshold)
godblessAmerica:

Ha! Nicely worded Nikolay

a "B" Hmmm.... It wasn't <b... (Below threshold)
rodney dill:

a "B" Hmmm.... It wasn't Obama it was Batman... Of course Christian Bale and and Clooney are both Obama supporters.

What a perfect little "Demo... (Below threshold)
Brian Richard Allen:

What a perfect little "Democrat" thread.

Throw out the bait of a half baked suggestion of fault on the part of the 'assaulted one' and stand back and watch the Brown Shirts leap out from under their rocks and project their own perverted psychopathology upon the victim.

In the event he is able to steal the election, Ubama's Brown Shirts are surely going to make gung ho stormtroopers for Sharia.

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles - CalifOBAMAcated 90028 & the Far Abroad

Click on th link provided!<... (Below threshold)

Click on th link provided!

Does that "B" look like something an angry, vicious 6'4" mugger carved on someone's face last night with a knife? Why is the "B" backward? How did the mugger get Todd to remain still long enough to delicately scratch a nicely formed, well-curved "B" onto her face? Why aren't Todd's "black eyes" still red and swollen?

Why did Todd drive 12 miles into an unfamiliar section of a big city to find an ATM? Why was she conveniently twittering about looking for ATMs in her car right before the "attack"?

Why did Todd refuse treatment on the night of the "attack"? Why did she instead quickly forward news of the "attack" and a photo of her "injuries" to her right wing blogger pals?

Where are the other witnesses to the "attack"? Where is the security camera footage of the "attack"?

Why did the alleged attacker follow her back to her car after she gave him her money? If he wanted something from her car, why didn't he just demand her keys? If Todd's McCain bumper sticker enraged her attacker so much that he beat her and then somehow forced her sit still long enough to delicately and lightly scratch a well-formed "B" onto her face, why didn't he damage her car, take her car, take her keys, take her wallet, take her credit cards or even take her Blackberry? Why didn't he force her to get more money out of her ATM or give him her ATM code and card if he had enough time to continue assaulting her without any witnesses around and enough power over her to carefully mark her with his knife without her struggling?

Where is the police artist sketch of the at large suspect? If this "attack" were real, wouldn't the victim's primary focus be on locking up the dangerous, violent criminal who violated her before he viciously maims more innocent victims rather than spreading the news of the bizarre McCain/Obama angle of the "attack" as far and wide as possible?

Bottom line:

Todd is a College Republican volunteer for the McCain campaign who came all the way from "safe" Texas to try to turn the tide for McCain in swing PA.

If Todd's story is real, there is a bizarre, dangerous, violent, dyslexic 6'4" black Baracko with an Obama fetish and a small dull knife roaming the streets of Pittsburgh's Little Italy robbing innocent ATM customers and chomping at the bit to delicately trace the mark of Baracko onto the faces of poor unsuspecting McCain supporters.

If Todd's story is fake, she's an amateur hour Rove with the average freeper's stilted and racially fevered imagination.

Which is more likely?

We Libertarians have been v... (Below threshold)

We Libertarians have been victims of Democrat thuggery for years. They've blocked our petitioners, stalked us, all over the country: Montana, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, most recently brutal incidents in Arizona.

So, I'm not at all surprised by this story. We've been screaming at our Republican friends that the Democrats/ACORN are complete thugs, for years. But they just pooh-poohed our assertions.

I feel sorry for the girl, but maybe this will finally wake Republicans up, that Democrats are completely violent Thugs, and will do anything to stop the supporters of liberty.

*SIGH*I alr... (Below threshold)
Larry:


*SIGH*

I already posted this on Kim's story.

The picture is a mirror image. *duh*

The police said he saw it on the RIGHT side of her face.

Look at the picture AGAIN and think mirror image, not mirror held to do it.

sheesh.

Now why the picture should be a mirror image, I will leave to someone else.

The police say the "B" is o... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

The police say the "B" is on the RIGHT side of her face. But the picture which has been circulating actually shows the "B" on the LEFT side of her face.

The picture is, in fact, exactly what a "B" written on the left side of the face would look in the mirror.

Very odd.

Oops! I messed up. I meant ... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Oops! I messed up. I meant to delete that second sentence int he comment above. It's wrong. The rest, however, is correct.

JeffNO, it ... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Jeff

NO, it doesn't, nothing odd. Take a digital pic and see how it looks on screen Which side is where?

Larry - You're right. I'm w... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Larry - You're right. I'm wrong. And Kevin is also wrong.

I just drew a bunch of smiley faces and letter "B"s and looked at them in the mirror.

That Ashley Todd picture shows a backwards "B" on the right side of her face.

Kevin's error, I believe, was in using the picture as the basis for his cheek experiments. But as I noted above, and to this extent I was right, if you try to imitate the look of the picture in the mirror you will end up with a "B" on the left side of your face. More, if you draw the "B" so it looks right in the mirror, the rounded side will actually face your nose.

You have to start with the police report, not the picture. They say the "B" is on the right side of the face.

Now go to a mirror and draw a "B" on the right side of you face so that it looks correct in the mirror. The rounded edges of the "B" will face your ear.

Now have someone take a picture of you. You will end up with exactly what that picture of Ashley Todd shows, including the reversed orientation.

Right?

Now why ... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Now why the picture should be a mirror image, I will leave to someone else.

Okie dokie, nobody wanted to touch that one.

Here is the way to develop a fact.

Put your finger on the right side of your face. Take a picture of your face. Turn the camera around and look at the picture. Which side of your face is the finger?

How hard is that to develop a fact instead of an opinion?

Larry - You're arguing agai... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Larry - You're arguing against nobody at this point. Well, maybe Kevin.

Kevin seriously needs to update this post because it really is dead wrong.

wow how could anyone make t... (Below threshold)
rachel:

wow how could anyone make this up!
1. Bloomfield + muggings not uncommon(she was easy to spot...not a Yinzer)
2. The B could have been carved while she was on the ground and the guys face over hers--o0-- that would explain the b facing up.
3. The B could be for ummm Barack? or Bitch
Either way she didn't deserve any of it. This shows you should need to pass a test to vote and pass a criminal check ignorant people and this racist attacker ain't going to vote anyone it was an easy waY to get money to copDOPE

Jeff:I have... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Jeff:

I have been reading through the various blogs and some of the insane theories posted about the picture. The picture is easy to produce with a B exactly as it would look if someone scrapped a knife across someone's right cheek and then the picture was taken and posted.

How hard is it to develop a fact instead of running one's mouth about how the picture was done? The likes of Brian and others have been all over this one with stupid theories instead of just taking a picture and looking at it.

I haven't a clue if the girl is a nutcase or not. I do have a clue that the picture is real and exactly as it would have looked if her story is real.

Does Kevin read the comments section?

Does Kim?

Rachel - Regarding your poi... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Rachel - Regarding your point #2, she has apparently told police that the attacker was sitting on her chest when he carved the B. So your theory is not supported by her testimony.

Will a backwards "B" carved... (Below threshold)
Rolf:

Will a backwards "B" carved into the cheek join an onion hanging from the belt as the rage when attending a Sarah Palin rally?

I am John Doe, Joe da plumber, Neiman-Marcus, and silly carved-cheek-hoax girl

I know it's easy to reprodu... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

I know it's easy to reproduce. Just follow the directions I gave above and you'll get it just like you say.

I don't know if they read the comments or not. But it's a big error he's got there and it should be corrected.

Alternate Caption Contest:<... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Alternate Caption Contest:

Winner:
Please let it be real Please let it be real Please let it be real Please let it be real Please let it be real Please let it be real Please let it be real Please let it be real Please let it be real Please let it be real.

Runner up:
Don't let it be a hoax Don't let it be a hoax Don't let it be a hoax Don't let it be a hoax Don't let it be a hoax Don't let it be a hoax Don't let it be a hoax Don't let it be a hoax Don't let it be a hoax.

Sorry Jeff, I just r... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Sorry Jeff, I just read your #32.

You are correct.

See, as I said in Kim's post on this story, it drives me crazy that all of the serious partisans on BOTH sides of this story didn't try to find a fact, they started speculating from their political point of view.

The Libs AUTOMATICALLY started trashing the girl and the McCain partisans AUTOMATICALLY started defending her.

Neither side tried to develop a fact.

Now it is that I do not intend to vote for Obama. The facts I have developed that satisfy ME, lead me to believe that he is a fraud. Being a fraud is very popular way to win an election because, frankly, most folks don't vote from facts, they vote from emotions.

I did send Kevin an email. He probably ignored it. I don't get much traction from the authors on this web site, but I do have some amount of fun posting comments. I used to do it to Lee Ward until he got mad and ran me off, so he thinks. I can fake a DNS and would, except I got bored with his stupid, partisan consuming of every piece of garbage he could eat that was negative on McCain and positive on Obama.

Simply put, you cannot reason with true believers because of their emotional committment.

Ok Jeff, now the nex... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Ok Jeff, now the next step. Have someone stand over you and draw the B exactly as they would on the right side of your face. Do it as if you were laying on your back and the person doing the carving was at your head facing your feet.

What do you see?

Take a look at the carving strokes. Look at the heavy parts and the light ones.

What do you see?

Look at where the tail of the B is (upside down). How do most people do a printed B? Where does the heavy part start and the light part end.

See what I mean?

As I've said before on this... (Below threshold)

As I've said before on this story, I have my doubts after looking at the pic. Nobody is following the 48 hour rule, which I think is a huge mistake. On top of that, everybody needs to just calm the hell down and think. The police have said that there are a lot of inconsistencies in her story that need to be fleshed out, and that's what they're doing right now.

Kevin, the following quote is false. I think you may need to try it for yourself:

That hypothesis is easy enough to disprove if you're willing to mark your face up with a pen while looking in a mirror. If you do that you will find that a "B" still looks like a "B" when using the mirror as a guide.

Personally, I'd like to know the following. Did she take this pic herself using a mirror, or did she have someone else take it? This would determine a lot, namely, which side of her face the letter is actually on. If it's on the right side of her face (anatomically correct), in the pic above, it's absolutely backwards. If it's on the left side of her face (again, anatomically correct), it's facing the right way. If someone else took this pic, then it's on the right side of her face (anatomically correct) and it is definitely backwards.

Note: There are some people who are very confused about mirror images and cameras in this thread. A camera does not reverse an image (not by default, anyway). It captures images exactly as presented to the camera operator. I'm not going to delve into that discussion any further.

Next, how did the attacker supposedly apply the letter to her face? In a headlock or was he on top of her chest?

I have to find and look at the report to confirm that, but since I have a life outside of my computer, I can't do that right now.

Finally, what does the surveillance tape from the ATM or other surveillance tapes from the area reveal?

My main problem with the pic is the B itself. IMHO, I don't think it was drawn with a knife. It looks like a fingernail scratch, and looks way too perfect to me for someone in a struggle. Maybe I'm wrong, but we won't know for sure until the police are done with the investigation.

Now please. Everybody take a big breath, relax, be patient for the facts to come out. And think.

larry-her own statem... (Below threshold)

larry-
her own statement said the guy sat on her chest. the B should look correct.

the only way i would say this is not fake is if she took this picture with a web cam, such as the macbook isight camera. it automatically reverses images.

"the only way i would sa... (Below threshold)

"the only way i would say this is not fake is if she took this picture with a web cam, such as the macbook isight camera. it automatically reverses images."

Thanks for that info. Duly noted, and another reason for everyone to simply be more patient so that all the facts in this case can be gathered.

Update:The ... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Update:

The supposed perp was sitting on her chest. Thus, even if a mirror image, the B is wrong for the RIGHT hand side of her face.

Now we are getting somewhere with FACTS.

It may turn out to be bogus. My beef was the knee jerk reaction of the immediate trashing of the girl.

It still is.

How hard is it to develo... (Below threshold)
Brian:

How hard is it to develop a fact instead of running one's mouth about how the picture was done? The likes of Brian and others have been all over this one with stupid theories instead of just taking a picture and looking at it.

Larry, take your own advice.

Put your finger on the right side of your face. Take a picture of your face. Turn the camera around and look at the picture. Which side of your face is the finger?

It's still on the right side of your face, but on the left side of the picture. EXACTLY AS IN TODD'S PICTURE ABOVE! There's no mirror image, as you keep inexplicably harping on.

"That hypothesis is easy en... (Below threshold)
WILDCARD:

"That hypothesis is easy enough to disprove if you're willing to mark your face up with a pen while looking in a mirror. If you do that you will find that a "B" still looks like a "B" when using the mirror as a guide. For Ms. Todd to make the mark shown looking into a mirror it would appear to her as a backward "B" as well."

Try out your hypothesis... If you write a Backwards "B" on a piece of paper, or even print oUT the picture of the young woman and take it to a mirror you will see that the "B" in question on her face appears to be correct... no longer backwards.... its inverted.... Dude!!! even my 4 year old niece knows that a mirror inverts letters.... Wow!!!

The picture is not a mirror... (Below threshold)
thecomputerguy:

The picture is not a mirror image it is her right, your left when looking at it.

The fact that the scratch is a mirror of a B (or an upside down B) is interesting, but doesn't prove or disprove her story.

Supposedly this happened at a bank ATM machine. If that is the case, then there may be video of at least the robbery part. Until I see the video, I would take her at her word.

The police say the... (Below threshold)
Nikolay:
The police say the "B" is on the RIGHT side of her face. But the picture which has been circulating actually shows the "B" on the LEFT side of her face.

The picture is, in fact, exactly what a "B" written on the left side of the face would look in the mirror.


Guys, you are such geniuses! Did you really never notice that when someone is looking at you, that person's right hand is to the left of you??? Which hand do you shake with your right hand, one that is closer to your right hand, or one that is closer to your left one?
I can't believe someone who knows how to connect to Internet could say something as nonsensical as you did.
In summation, to the lefty ... (Below threshold)

In summation, to the lefty troll scum she is either:

1) a lying Rethuglican c*nt; or

2) a Rethuglican c*nt who got what she deserved.

Larry, as sean just mention... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Larry, as sean just mentioned, she claimed the guy sat on her chest.

Sorry Larry, I had typed th... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Sorry Larry, I had typed that but didn't hit "Submit" for a few minutes, got distracted with work-related nonsense.

Project much, Master Shake?... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Project much, Master Shake?

If she faked it, she's a pitiful person who wants attention and is willing to fabricate a violent crime with a strong racial subtext in order to affect people's opinion of Obama's supporters; or

If it actually happened, she's the victim of a hate crime.

You're the only person who used the word c*nt, and I don't think it occurred to anybody else that if this attack actually happened, she deserved it. You're sick.

a black eye should be swoll... (Below threshold)
neoskeptic:

a black eye should be swollen, and it doesn't turn that shade of black mere hours after the attack. it should be red and bruised and yellowing before it turns that shade of black.

and where's the swelling?

the report alleges she was punched IN THE BACK of the head, not squarely in the eye. and she was supposedly kicked on the ground? where are pictures of other bruises on her back, torso, legs, wherever?

this whole thing stinks to high heaven. If ms. todd was really attacked, I will be the first to say i'm sorry and i hope she gets better, but i don't believe it for a second as the evidence stands now.

and, it must be said, this has NOTHING to do with whether or not someone should or should not vote for Obama.

You lefty scum use it uncen... (Below threshold)

You lefty scum use it uncensored (and in fact wear it on t-shirts) in reference to our candidate for Vice President, so your complaint over my censored version is quite amusing.

Do you think anybody here w... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Do you think anybody here wears one of those t-shirts? By the way, nice moral equivocation: some asshole with a t-shirt press makes a tasteless shirt that should be offensive to any woman, so it's okay for you to say it.

Do you hate your mother? What about women in general?

You lefty scum use... (Below threshold)
Nikolay:
You lefty scum use it uncensored (and in fact wear it on t-shirts) in reference to our candidate for Vice President
Ever heard about "Citizens United Not Timid"?
Master Shake and class are ... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Master Shake and class are evidently antonyms. Keep on claiming that half the country is scum, sir. See where it gets you and your ideology.

I have SOLVED the mystery o... (Below threshold)
The Hanch:

I have SOLVED the mystery of the backwards "B"!

The 6'4" black thug obviously suffered from dyslexia in addition to his misguided political views........

This has got to be the funniest story of the week.....Damn, Michele Bachmann should have thought of it first.......
Oh, that's right, they already did go out and vandalize their trash cans with anti-conservative, potty mouth language!

<a href="http://kdka.com/lo... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Charges to be filed against her. Probably won't do that again.

Wow, half the country is le... (Below threshold)

Wow, half the country is lefty scum? I guess now we know how the MSM comes up with their interesting polling data.

Do you think all lefties ar... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Do you think all lefties are scum? Do you think the ones that die in Iraq or the ones who were killed on 9/11 are scum? Do you think every person who votes for Obama is equivalent to members of Code Pink?

You can't tell all that much about someone based on comments posted on a blog, but you are either incredibly stupid or a horrible person.

That is why you should alwa... (Below threshold)
engineer:

That is why you should always go by the 48 hour rule. Wait 48 hours before commenting on something like this. It usually takes that long to sort things out. That is why I didn't make any comment.

Note: There are some peo... (Below threshold)
andy:

Note: There are some people who are very confused about mirror images and cameras in this thread. A camera does not reverse an image (not by default, anyway). It captures images exactly as presented to the camera operator. I'm not going to delve into that discussion any further.

Oh, right, and next you will tell us that camera don't steal a little piece of the soul each time your picture is taken. Yeah, right!

Seriously, I agree, how so many people cannot even flip the most simple of images around in their heads to understand how mirror images would look is mind-boggling.

This story and the photo stunk to high heaven from the first time I saw it yesterday. Glad to see she's going to be charged for her race-baiting idiocy.

I expect a full apology fro... (Below threshold)
engineer:

I expect a full apology from Kim for her inflammatory remarks in the post she started.
"These Obama cultists are dangerous and out of control. What the hell will these people do if the messiah loses on November 4th?" If you don't you are no better than the writers over at Blue or the DailyKos.

hyperbolist #61:Th... (Below threshold)

hyperbolist #61:

Thanks for including the link. That development doesn't surprise me in the least. She is a complete dumbass.

There are lefties and lefty... (Below threshold)

There are lefties and lefty scum. All signs point to my having offended the scum subset.

"You can't tell all that much about someone based on comments posted on a blog, but you are either incredibly stupid or a horrible person."

Right back at ya, hyper.

She was lying...shameful...... (Below threshold)

She was lying...shameful...

The fake B is on the passen... (Below threshold)

The fake B is on the passenger side of her face.

Thanks for clarifying, Shak... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Thanks for clarifying, Shake, I feel better. Someone with a low regard for women only hates lefties who are scum: duly noted.

I suddenly have no interest in ever watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force again.

Tom, agreed. No reflection on the McCain campaign, she's just not wholly with it. These College Republicans or whatever they're called do the world a service by showing that unhinged students aren't all Chomsky worshippers. :)

So where are you, Larry? Yo... (Below threshold)
Brian:

So where are you, Larry? You called people cretin, twit, stupid, and said they should be ashamed for not seeing your spectacularly and embarrassingly wrong "it's a mirror image" declaration. You hurled invectives, and offered challenges to perform home experiments that you yourself appear unable to do. Even several on the right kept pointing out your flawed spatial contortions, but you kept repeating it.

What say you? Your apology to Hooson alone should take a few sentences.

Says you:

This is what drives me crazy about you LIBS, you see a fact staring you in the face, and you still try to dodge it; make it something that it isn't.

Being accused of having "a ... (Below threshold)

Being accused of having "a low regard for women"?

By an Obamuhhh supporter?

Really?

Really? (head tilt)


At least you gave me a good laugh before your "Light-taker" puts me in a camp....

Being accused of having ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Being accused of having "a low regard for women"?
By an Obamuhhh supporter?
Really?

Yes, really.

I wonder if we'll start to ... (Below threshold)
j_brisby:

I wonder if we'll start to see Obama supporters showing up at rallies with Ms on their faces? I'd totally do it.

At least you gave me a g... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

At least you gave me a good laugh before your "Light-taker" puts me in a camp....

You know, that's just not funny. Why don't you go spend a week in Myanmar or North Korea and we'll see how keen you are about statements like that one?

If your saviour wins, I can... (Below threshold)

If your saviour wins, I can save myself the trouble and just stay right here.


I asked, "well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?" and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated.

And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

And when I say "eliminate," I mean "kill."

Twenty-five million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious.

That's from Obama's campaig... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

That's from Obama's campaign platform?

What the hell is wrong with you? How can you possibly become so afraid of something that is never, ever going to come to fruition in your country? Relax, the black guy isn't going to send the Thought Police after you. Frankly, you wouldn't register on their radar. Hey-oh!

No, not in Obamuhhh's campa... (Below threshold)

No, not in Obamuhhh's campaign platform. Just in the ideology of his teachers, mentors, close associates.... And he won't even need to develop home-grown Thought Police - Obamuhhh can just import some Canadian "Human Rights Commission" employees.

Yes, please, take the stupi... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Yes, please, take the stupid f*ckers!

=)




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