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Obama Online Campaign Facilitating Fraud

Earlier this week, we looked at the Obama campaign's continued concealment of its small donors list. The manner in which many of the small donations are made is equally concerning, as it enables the very fraud and illegal contributions we are concerned about.

Well, thanks to Mark Steyn, whose intellectual curiosity apparently surpasses that of the entire staff at the New York Times, we see precisely why the Obama campaign dares not publish the list of small donors.

Because ""Della Ware" of "12345 No Way" had managed to make a campaign donation to the fraud-friendly Obama website but not to the McCain site." How?

If they'd really wanted "to be fair", the Times would have pointed out that, in order to accept donations from "Della Ware" and "Saddam Hussein" et al, the Obama website had, intentionally, to disable all the default security settings on their credit-card processing. I took a look at the inner sanctum of my (alas, far more modest) online retail operation this afternoon and, in order to permit fraud as easy as that which the Obama campaign is facilitating, you have to uncheck every single box on the AVS system, each one of which makes it very explicit just what you're doing - ie, accepting transactions with no "billing address", no "street address" match, no "zip code" match, with a bank "of non-US origin" (I've got nothing against those, but a US campaign fundraiser surely should be wary), etc. When you've disabled the whole lot one step at a time, then you've got a system tailor-made for fake names and bogus addresses.

The Obama campaign cannot and will not release its small donors list. For to do so would reveal "Della Ware" and "Saddam Hussein" and perhaps eve the entire Dallas Cowboys roster, as well as more names who have no bank-confirmed address matches (a red flag for any online transaction) or notation of foreign source (a red flag for any political campaign transaction).

The only way the campaign will ever release this list is after it is scrubbed, surely to emerge disavowing responsibility for facilitation and displaying their good citizenship by eventually refunding clearly fraudulent donations. But in the mean time, the Obama campaign is banking and earning interest on these illegal donations, as a reader commented astutely.

Would we not expect the character of a president to reflect a desire to prevent fraud, particularly by doing something as simple as address verification by banks in electronic transactions? Instead, the campaign is profiting from fraud and will display their good citizenship through refunds, after quietly scraping the interest.

Red flags that should scream out to Americans have been waving prominently. But nearly half of the electorate seems genuinely disinterested.


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Comments (50)

And now Barry O's making a ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

And now Barry O's making a sudden trip to Hawaii. Kind of makes you wonder if he's gonna keep going...

When a scam artist goes as far as he can with the scam, what does he do next?

When you have been a crimin... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

When you have been a criminal all of your adult life what is a little fraud, especially when you have a thousand+ patsies you can blame the crime on. Hussein will not accept responsibility but will shovel the sh** down to those dummies too poor to defend themselves. Sitting here watching TV news reveals crimes that will have a lot of democrats wearing pinstripe suits in the near future, and if lying sends you to hell the earth with suffer a massive tempature increase when the democrat die. Never in 68 years has there been such a criminal campaign led by the democrats. I haven't seen one that I would trust in an outhouse with a muzzle on.

There you go again, bitterl... (Below threshold)

There you go again, bitterly clinging to your "laws" and "regulations" and "merchant agreements". You need to get your mind right and accept that Obamuhhh's every whim is the law and you must bow down before your Saviour.

You wouldn't want to be a racist, would you?

Just to add a 2nd point... ... (Below threshold)
jwehman:

Just to add a 2nd point... I was also one of the ones conducting this "experiment" yesterday (which, after doing so, realized I should have contributed $0.01, instead of the $5.00 I did, but oh well...) with false everything except for my CC#, and it did show up on my bank account yesterday as (Pending), which most online transactions do during the daytime. Usually they clear the next early morning.

This AM, the $5.00 debit was no longer there...it was gone. So, either 1) the BO camp rejected this contribution or someone/thing did along the way (Visa/WellsFargo), or it will eventually show up as a debit later on today or next week.

But it's weird that it is just "gone" from my acct. Maybe someone on banking knows why...but I'm curious as to how many of the people in the past 24 hours that actually tried this have seen the actual money be deleted from their acct? ie a completed, posted transaction.

JOE THE PLUMBER WANTS YOU ... (Below threshold)
Joe:

JOE THE PLUMBER WANTS YOU TO SPREAD THE WORD.

OBAMA IS A MARXIST SOCIALIST.
AMERICAN SOLDIERS FOUGHT AND DIED AND SHED BLOOD FIGHTING MARXIST. WE WILL NOT ALLOW IT HERE. OBAMA GAVE ACORN OVER A MILLION DOLLARS TO STEAL YOUR VOTES. WITH THE STOLEN VOTES HE THEN CAN HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY IN THE SENATE AND HOUSE (VETO PROOF) HUSSAIN OBAMA'S PLAN IS TO STRIP YOU OF YOUR FREEDOM, RELIGON AND YOUR BELONGINGS! THEN HE WILL GIVE IT TO HIS MARXIST SOCIALIST FOLLOWERS. HE THEN BECOMES YOUR MARXIST EMPEROR! THIS IS WITH OUT A SHOT BEING FIRED.

This was a message from a h... (Below threshold)
Colonel:

This was a message from a highly decorated and one of the most respected intelligence agents in the world. His last warning words to his beloved country before he died last month.
Remember what I said. It is true and part of a misinformation plan is to make the truth look paranoid. Just look around and see the media and DNC parroting the party line. The Christian Religion is evil. Homosexual is normal. Patriotism evil. Rebellion and changing the Constitution normal. Disarm the citizens normal. NRA and hunters evil. The Military and heroes evil. Anti military and ridicule heroes normal. Success and hard work evil. The government owes me normal. Shocking this is right out of the handbook of communist and Islamic terrorism guides to revolution and over throwing a country. Schools teach the government is evil and socialism utopia normal. Divide the races through agitators and media. Destroy marriage and the families. The state is the parent. Call evil good and smear and destroy good. Look at the Hollywood crowd. McCarthy was right and history has proven it. They flock around dictators and tyrants Chavez, Castro, Iranian, and Syrians. Wake up and vote for McCain if you want freedom. After 40 years of Intelligence service I can just say look and watch. Look at Obama's friend's Islamic Marxists terror operatives. Rev. Wright Marxist preacher of Racist Hate and division. William Ayers Marxist radical terrorist. Farrakhan Muslim Marxist. Research the hidden years at Columbia University. Also the overseas trips. Victor Marchenco, Mohamud Kioj, Sayad Kael, Fhaad Hussan these are a few of the Islamic and KGB friends who financed and open doors here through contacts. I am not long for this earth. A Terminal Sickness has attached to me. I want to warn my beloved country.

The first amendment is only... (Below threshold)
Sarge:

The first amendment is only for the elite left wing liberals. They can lie distort say anything. When the normal people speak it is a hate crime or racist. If they cannot dispute you they call you KKK or nazi.
This is why the left wing media is shrinking and losing money to the point of disappearing. The normal people are voting with their dollars. Obama is so dirty but his $250 million dollars or more from Saudi and Iran to his campaign spreads dollars to advertise at the left wing media. This $250 MILLION DOLLARS FROM SAUDI AND IRAN IS COMING FROM THE SAME PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT 9-11. THE SAME PEOPLE THAT OUR TROOPS ARE FIGHTING DIEING AND BLEEDING TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY.
THIS IS TREASON! WHAT ARE THEY SAUDI AND IRANIANS BUYING FROM OBAMA? WAKE UP THIS A WAR. HE IS SELLING OUTOUR COUNTRY.

jwehmanPossibly th... (Below threshold)
Larry:

jwehman

Possibly the Obama camp has decided that now that the jig is up, to start sorta filtering.

I have no idea how it works. But with the publicity, the light in the darkness, so to speak, somebody is waking up.

I've made a number of contr... (Below threshold)

I've made a number of contributions to the Obama Campaign, and every receipt has always matched my credit card information.

Straw man Hooson.T... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Straw man Hooson.

The good news is, come Nov. 5th, you'll realize that all that money you gave your messiah was a waste.

"Would we not expect the ch... (Below threshold)
Bob:

"Would we not expect the character of a president to reflect a desire to prevent fraud, particularly by doing something as simple as address verification by banks in electronic transactions?" There is no way I would expect BHO to play by the rules when the election is at stake. He ran the most dishonest ads ("McCain wants another 100 years of war in Iraq. McCain will cut Social Security and Medicare," etc.), and then accuses Sen. McCain with running untrue, dishonorable ads. PLUH-EEEZ. This guy is the most unqualified candidate in memory by any measure: résumé, judgment, character, associations, philosophy, plans, etc. And even if you didn't believe any of that, it would still be no excuse for electing someone who would let Reed and Pelosi run wild, and appoint more "living Constitution" revisionist types to the Supreme Court.

I've made a number of co... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

I've made a number of contributions to the Obama Campaign, and every receipt has always matched my credit card information.

The fact that it is possible to do so honestly doesn't disprove that it's also possible to do so dishonestly. So, what's your point ? (brievity please)

MikeThe fact that... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Mike
The fact that it is possible to do so honestly doesn't disprove that it's also possible to do so dishonestly.

Yep. Funny how this also applies to Brocko with both illegal money and illegal votes.

The fact that it is possible to (vote) honestly doesn't disprove that it's also possible to (vote) dishonestly.

Wouldn't you think there are several juicy, dirty stories just waiting to be told; yet the MSM just can't summon up the least bit of gumption to follow the stories. I guess all the 'reporters' are afraid of being 'Joe Plumbered' if they speak against the One.

Brocko : By Any Means Necessary

obama's site must figure th... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

obama's site must figure there is little potential for fraudulent campaign donations, especially when anyone can charge back if it happens to them, which usually costs the merchant (in this case the obama campaign) $25 for each occurrence on top of the original amount charged

in other words any fraud will cost them, and this story is another sad hyped up puff piece

First of all I cannot truly... (Below threshold)
MichaelC:

First of all I cannot truly accept that post #9 allegedly by Paul Hooson was actually made by him. Never,not one time has that man ever simply typed one paragraph and signed off. And without a single self reference, phony claim, etc. No, that was not Hooson.I am of the mind that Hooson has been done away with and some laconic obamobot has taken his place.

hmmmmmm....well...okay then, I can live with that.

Secondly, how is it possible that these crimes being committed now by the Obama campaign are not understood by those same perps to be the impeachable offenses with which he will be charged when finally denials no longer suffice.? Will he have to commit many more crimes post election to prevent the eventual outing of all that has transpired and all the books that will be written charging these crimes?

I suppose my naivety continues and it will be no problem for these liars then as it seems to be no problem for them now. I move through life as in a daze not believing what I see taking place in my country,thinking surely there is a line that when once crossed, surely the electorate will snap to attention and cry out that, no that's too far, we've cut a million corners but no, that's it, we just can't do it anymore.

Naivety, that's me, thinking, believing that there must be a point past which no American will continue to pretend all is as it should be. But...then, we've already gone by so many of those points with nary a whimper from those who control the organs of information dispersal in this country. And I say that full well knowing the crescendo of warning and overwhelming evidence daily presented by those Americans who still think honor and truth and righteousness will win out in the end.

They simply cannot hear it or, if they do, they just shake their little heads and clear their little minds and continue on down that road that leads to.....God knows where.

Paul Hooson, did you use yo... (Below threshold)

Paul Hooson, did you use your own card and give your real name, address, zip, etc? If so, then your contributions have nothing whatsoever to do with the allegations here.

"Red flags that should scre... (Below threshold)
Kenny:

"Red flags that should scream out to Americans have been waving prominently. But nearly half of the electorate seems genuinely disinterested."

Genuinely disinterested?, no, I must disagree.

In the (alternate reality) worldview of most liberals, conservatives are EVIL. The ONLY evil that exists in the world are conservatives, and ANY means of beating them in an election is acceptable.

Because (in their viewpoint), once they are in power, they can overturn the evil deeds done by conservatives and start their socialist paradise. (See Massachusetts and California for examples).

Kenny

Oyster, all contribution re... (Below threshold)

Oyster, all contribution receipts include the home address, where the name and credit card all have to match and current lobbyists are forbidden from making contributions by the Obama campaign.

I'm a former lobbyist for student loans and other educational issues, but have not headed a lobby organization in some years, so I'm allowed to currently contribute under the Obama organization rules since I am not attempting to influence public policy. This is far different than many PACs associated with the oil industry or even Walmart being so actively associated with John McCain or many GOP campaigns.

But I not only have contributed to the Obama Campaign. I'm well known for religious as well as charitable donations as well. Politics is not an end all for me or the answer to everything. Heck, if I paid my lawyers $37,000 last week just to manage my financial affairs during Oct07-Oct08, and write real estate contracts for me, etc., I should do something for someone else like support charities as well. You can't only pay lawyers in life.

Investing a little bit in the Obama Campaign seems to make good business sense to me as I believe he'll improve the economy and be far different than the Bush-McCain economic policies that got us in this current mess.

jwehman, if you get a lette... (Below threshold)

jwehman, if you get a letter from your bank warning you that someone tried to falsely use your card, it's likely that your bank caught it and rejected it. Let us know if that occurs. You could call your bank and tell them you saw a pending $5.00 debit on your account which is no longer there and ask them if they rejected it. But then you might be opening yourself up for trouble with your bank. "Experiment" or not, it would be seen as deliberate fraud.

It depends on the bank they use too. And virtual cards, PayPal, etc may not need zip, address or name matching confirmation. I'm not sure. Maybe someone can clarify it.

Amazon (or maybe it was Barnes & Noble) won't even send goods to an address other than the billing address on the card. I had to call my bank to make the exception when I sent a gift to my mother.

Several people with butt-loads of money, who have already made the max contribution, can scam the system as long as they get cooperation from the recipient; in this case the Obama Campaign.

Well obviously this should ... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Well obviously this should be looked into. Given the time constraints involved, I don't see how it could be investigated with enough time and vigor to substantially affect the race. The campaign ought to be compelled to give back fraudalent donations, with the necessary penalties attached.

Every indication is that they will have quite a bit left in the chest after Nov. 5, so hopefully at that point somebody goes over the list of donors with a comb and roots out all the rot.

I imagine this will be regulated more tightly in the near future. Even the allowing of allegations of impropiety, true or not, contradict the 'last, best hope' self image of the United States, an image that probably hasn't really been appropriate since the Civil War, but one with which we are rather enamored.

Paul:Oyster, all ... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Paul:
Oyster, all contribution receipts include the home address, where the name and credit card all have to match

Hi. RTFA.

According to the article, that's precisely the alleged issue. On Obama's site, they don't have to match.

_mike_:You're wast... (Below threshold)

_mike_:

You're wasting your time. Especially in regard to brevity.

Mike, it's the official fin... (Below threshold)

Mike, it's the official financial reports to the Federal Election Commission that matter, not some unofficial postings on some campaign site. Can anyone here really prove that anything is wrong with the official filings to the FEC?

The Obama Campaign will return any donations that do not comply with either the law or their own standards you know.

I've made a number... (Below threshold)
I've made a number of contributions to the Obama Campaign, and every receipt has always matched my credit card information.

"How could this guy have robbed the bank? I just made a withdrawal!"

What did I tell you, _Mike_... (Below threshold)

What did I tell you, _Mike_? Although, I'm quite surprised by the brevity of the answer already addressed in the post by Steve, thusly:

The only way the campaign will ever release this list is after it is scrubbed, surely to emerge disavowing responsibility for facilitation and displaying their good citizenship by eventually refunding clearly fraudulent donations. But in the mean time, the Obama campaign is banking and earning interest on these illegal donations, as a reader commented astutely.
The Obama Campaign... (Below threshold)
The Obama Campaign will return any donations that do not comply with either the law or their own standards you know.

So let's wait until Nov. 5 to talk about it, right?

The Obama Campaign will ... (Below threshold)
Tim:

The Obama Campaign will return any donations that do not comply with either the law or their own standards you know.

So you do comedy now? That was a good one.

Not only that, but who do t... (Below threshold)

Not only that, but who do they refund the fraudulent donations to? People like "Della Ware" at "12345 No Way"? That'll be a neat trick.

Will they make balloon animals at that party, too?

Well, that's my stupid comm... (Below threshold)

Well, that's my stupid comment contribution of the day. Back to the credit card number, of course. I still have a problem with the interest earned and kept.

Tim, the Obama Campaign isn... (Below threshold)

Tim, the Obama Campaign isn't interested in getting fines or election violations so they comply with election laws as well as humanly possible for a huge organization. Can you name even one violation that they have been cited for by the FEC?

Tom Blogical: Not... (Below threshold)
Tim:

Tom Blogical:
Not only that, but who do they refund the fraudulent donations to? People like "Della Ware" at "12345 No Way"? That'll be a neat trick.

I'm thinking of changing my name to "jlkhjgjkgl" so I can cash in on all those reimbursements. I'm gonna be rich enough that Obummer's gonna soak me good.

Paul:Tim, the Oba... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Paul:
Tim, the Obama Campaign isn't interested in getting fines or election violations so they comply with election laws as well as humanly possible for a huge organization

Hi. RTFA.

If the author of the article (Steyn) is correct, the safegaurds on the credit card processing must be intentionally and explicitly disabled. If true, it is the exact opposite of attempting to comply with FEC laws.

hooson - An your <a href="h... (Below threshold)
marc:

hooson - An your para three here means exactly what?

Oh wait, nevermind.

We're talking hooson, I forgot about your over-ripe (near rancid) imagination, propensity for long streams of BS and habitual Ego Self Inflation.

Tim:Yeah, I dunno.... (Below threshold)

Tim:

Yeah, I dunno. Please see my next comment #29. I voted myself down first on comment #28. All the questionable donations will be sent back to the originating credit card number. Hopefully, they aren't stolen credit cards.

Michael @ 15, see Hooson @ ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Michael @ 15, see Hooson @ 18...
You wanted some braggart, you got some.

hooson - "Can you name ... (Below threshold)
marc:

hooson - "Can you name even one violation that they have been cited for by the FEC?"

Campaign contributions under false names are illegal in assition to contributions by noncitizens.

Federal campaign law also limits the amount any one citizen can contribute to the presidential campaign to $2,300. The acceptance of campaign contributions via credit card without AVS protection facilitates illegal contributions.

Why would they do that hooson?

If some here are convinced ... (Below threshold)

If some here are convinced that there is fraud in the Obama Campaign even if there is no real evidence of it or any documented FEC violations, then believe what you will. But I personally believe in hard evidence myself.

I suppose discussions of nonsense like this are easier than discussing how to fix the economy, how to deal with foreign relations, or how to address Iraq or Afghanistan, etc.

hooson you failed to answer... (Below threshold)
marc:

hooson you failed to answer a simple quesation.

Again, why would obama (or his minions) disable the avs system and make it easier to contribute to his campaign illegally?

And remind me again isn't one of your many [fairy] tales told here about a website you run/ran that allowed online purchases?

If that is true should you have at minimum a working knowledge of the AVS system?

As for this piece of pablum:

I suppose discussions of nonsense like this are easier than discussing how to fix the economy, how to deal with foreign relations, or how to address Iraq or Afghanistan, etc.
Yeah, its much more *important" to piss away your time writing about how "Great Stage Performances By African American Presidents Pave The Way For Obama Presidency" at Wiz-Blue's Insane Asylum.

Hooson, you're a joke of epic proportions.

PaulThanks for adm... (Below threshold)

Paul

Thanks for admitting that you just don't get it. Go ahead and keep whistling in the dark and ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

"I suppose discussions o... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"I suppose discussions of nonsense like this are easier than discussing how to fix the economy,

No that's simple- stop electing Marxists like Obama, Reid, & Pelosi. Remember the good old days before the Marxists took congress in 06? Gas was a lot cheaper, unemployment was a lot lower, consumer confidence was a lot higher, the stock market had recovered from Clinton's recession and was booming, ah the good old days.

"how to deal with foreign relations",

Simple- speak softly, but carry a big stick. And no, don't tie a white flag on it like Obama and the rest of you Marxists always want to do.

"or how to address Iraq or Afghanistan"

Simple again- finish the job and bring our troops home victorious.

All these things are so simple when you're not locked into the Marxist ideology like Hooson and Obama, but then again I can see why Hooson wants to change the subject from Obama's illegal, immoral, and anti-democratic campaign practices. If he had any self respect he'd be ashamed to comment here.

Paul:I suppose di... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Paul:
I suppose discussions of nonsense like this are easier than discussing..

Yes, important issues like Palin's wardrobe!


The FEC has stumbled across a few of the more careless crooked donors, "Doodad Pro" donated to Obama some 700+ times in small amounts supposedly totaling some $17,000. Apparently, "Loving" (Doodad's employer) pays well. The Obama campaign was forced to return the cash. There's at least one other instance of this that was reported in Newsweek.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/162403

IMO, there's 'probable cause' for the Obama/Biden campaign to disclose the small donor list to the FEC..

(Note: I don't expect Paul to ever be honest and admit that this is suspicious. He'll simply deflect and deny while typing much but saying little).

"(Note: I don't expect P... (Below threshold)

"(Note: I don't expect Paul to ever be honest and admit that this is suspicious. He'll simply deflect and deny while typing much but saying little)."

Yeah, I assumed this from you, _Mike_, as your comments are always cogent and enjoying to read. I enjoy taking potshots at Paul due to his custom of taking low blow shots at Jay Tea. Particularly his latest cheap shot about morality in the Mahoney thread.

[Editor: Good bye, able tun... (Below threshold)
able tuno:

[Editor: Good bye, able tuno. Take your Jew bashing elsewhere.]

Contributors you are not OK... (Below threshold)
Kathleen:

Contributors you are not OK!!! Your comments are a direct reflection of your own thinking process and consciousness. Look in the mirror; listen to your own words and see the venom you are spewing.

My first visit to a right l... (Below threshold)
Mike:

My first visit to a right leaning Blog.. But I have to admit, it is amusing to read the comments. BTW, only reason I had to comment is the response by tuno... What the Fu*k?? I may be new to this site, but that last comment just seems WAY off topic. (Maybe I missed something???) Would just LOVE an explanation of why it was posted here. Anyway, at least you get another "liberal" to play with (LOL).

Obama 08'

"BTW, only reason I had... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

"BTW, only reason I had to comment is the response by tuno... Anyway, at least you get another "liberal" to play with (LOL)."

Heh. Actually, I think tuno is a liberal heckler here at this 'right leaning blog'. Or maybe he's just ...confused. Either way, you can't foist him off on 'us'. He's from your team.

Alrighty then, let's add "e... (Below threshold)

Alrighty then, let's add "education lobbyist" to Paul's impressive resume; "well known" philanthropist, real estate mogul, accomplished punk rocker, Chinese scooter enthusiast, entrepreneur of various and sundry highly successful businesses, blah, blah, blah...

Thanks, Tom. :)... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Thanks, Tom. :)

I just made a $10 donation ... (Below threshold)
SPARKLSPD:

I just made a $10 donation to Obama/Biden. Why do you need to know or even care what my name and address is? How is that any of your business? There are regulatory agency's that already cover this. If you are concerned about fraud your concern should be with the agency in charge of donations for all parties, not just Obama.

I don't need to know. I do... (Below threshold)
Steve Schippert:

I don't need to know. I don't even actually care whether or not you make a contribution to the campaign of your choice, sir.

However, I do care that the donations are coming from American citizens and within the limits set by the FEC.

The fraud at hand is one in which contributions are most certainly coming from 'individuals' who are falsely named in order for donors to circumvent contribution limit and source laws.

This is wholly irresponsible, and if proven, illegal. This is why Obama backed of his pledge to use matching funds and why he is not publishing or releasing the small donors list.

The integrity of the system is cast into doubt. Cast into the darkness of shadows.

This is OK with you?

What if it were McCain or some other Republican acting similarly? Would you then be outraged?

I say with confidence and certainty, I would be. Because the integrity of the system is exceedingly more important than and one candidate, Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative.

That, sir, I hold an inarguable point.




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