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Ohio Government Employees Used Government Computers to Dig Up Information on Joe the Plumber

Yesterday evening, Ace published a tip he got which said that Ohio government employees in three state agencies improperly used government computers to dig up information on Joe the Plumber. The computers that were used were from the state attorney general's office, the Toledo Police Department, and the Cuyahoga County Child Enforcement Agency. Ace said the story would break in the next 2-3 days. Well it hit Drudge last night. Here's the story from The Columbus Dispatch:

"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.

The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.

Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.

Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.

It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.

Hmmm. And so many on the Left were foaming at the mouth about law enforcement listening in on suspected terrorists' overseas phone calls.


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Ace is the same jackass who... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Ace is the same jackass who was so sure of the incident in Pittsburgh being a leftist act? Ace is the same jackass who has a picture of Hitler on his website inferring of course that it is representative of what America stands for?

This is the jackass you cite as an authority?

Tell us Kim do you also agree with the picture of Hitler and its representation too?

Hey dickhead, it would seem... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Hey dickhead, it would seem the Columbia Dispatch is the authority here.

"And so many on the Left we... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

"And so many on the Left were foaming at the mouth about law enforcement listening in on suspected terrorists' overseas phone calls."

What was your position on the FISA Bill, Kim?


Well, the problem for "Joe"... (Below threshold)

Well, the problem for "Joe" was that according to reports he was an unlicensed plumber which may be anywhere from a civil to criminal violation of local laws just like unlicensed plastic surgeons, electricians, or others who could cause great public harm. Licensed professionals generally have to post a bond in the event that unsafe or poor repairs cause damage. And plumbing work that is substandard could potentially cause serious water or mold damage to a property.

One of my early businesses I rented from a landlord who did all the building repairs himself, and some were adequate, but some others like substandard plumbing repairs resulted in three inches of water in the store and thousands of dollars of damage to my property.

If "Joe" was violating local licensing and bonding laws, then city officials might have well been within their powers to investigate this concern.

I wonder if these people wi... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

I wonder if these people will have report that states that though what they did was legally wrong and was an abuse of power, but since it was politically correct there be no further investigation.

What picture of Hitler, JFO... (Below threshold)

What picture of Hitler, JFO? Go read the site....Ace's coverage of the hoax was fair because he prominently reported the final conclusion, that it was a hoax. As opposed to, say, the MSM's intrepid (NOT) reporting on the largest case of campaign finance fraud ever perpetrated on the American electorate.

Joe's problem is that for a few days he represented a clear and present danger to the Democrat bureaucrats in Ohio, hence he had to be dealt with.

The problem with the leftie... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

The problem with the leftie's who comment on here is they are stupid. 'Joe the Plumber' is not an unlicensed plumber. He has months to go before he can 'test' for his plumbers license and he can't test until he completes the training program. He works for a licensed plumber which is legal. If you demand that every person who works in the maintenace field be licensed before doing work (under supervision) for you then you can kick every criminal (no such thing as an illegal) Mexican in the country out today. On top of that you can expect to pay a Plumber, Air conditioning repair, TV repair or any of the skilled trades at least $500 per hour for their labor.
Democrats have became the crazy class, do not investigate 'known' terrorists, investigate a plumber who happened to ask the 'chosen one' a question. To anyone with a brain the question does not matter, the socialist answer he got should be of great concern to every American.

Hooson, now that you've inf... (Below threshold)

Hooson, now that you've informed us that Joe the Plumber can be compared to a plastic surgeon, do tell us how information pulled from several government agency computers such as the Ohio Attorney General's office, Child Support Enforcement office and at least three times from the DMV is justifiable and lawful.

And if you think going after Joe for not being fully licensed, even while still training for such a license is justifiable and worthy of some manner of punishment and public scorn, then tell us - did you report your landlord for doing unlicensed work? I mean if Joe should be investigated for possibly causing "great public harm" shouldn't your landlord have been held to the same standard according to "the law"?

Scrapiron, the going rate f... (Below threshold)

Scrapiron, the going rate for TV repair is around $60 an hour. I was in the television business for many years myself and fixed thousands of TVs in about 20 years. But since so few persons are getting TVs fixed any longer, the state of Oregon delicensed this profession in recent years, but expects top quality safe work from anyone in this business.
Safety problems might be handled by the Attorney General or other agencies now.

But thanks for the clarification about the status of the license with "Joe". The only reports I had seen were that he was not licensed, and such reports might have prompted an investigation by local officials into whether he was operating in violation of local laws.

What really adds to the sme... (Below threshold)

What really adds to the smell factor in this case is the use of a test account, rather than a regular account (which would point to a specific user), to access the information. Plus, why would a person from Cuyahoga County Child Services be interested in BMV Department information on "Joe the Plumber"? Obviously, someone wanted to mask their identity. I wonder why? From the same Columbus Dispatch article Kim links to:

"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.

Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.

Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.

On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.

Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.

How long is it going to be,... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

How long is it going to be, if Obama's elected, before the left starts digging back through blogs and such looking for signs of 'disloyalty' - and then start 'punishing' people like Joe the Plumber?

Consider a lot of the folks who work in the civilian sector for the military - government contractors and such. Will it be necessary to vet all the employees for the proper 'viewpoints' before a contract is renewed? And what about things like security clearances - will employees NOT supporting Obama in the runup to the election be cause for cancellation of those?

Or will it be a case of "Yes, you can have differing opinions, but you'd damn well better not express them if you know what's good for you!"

Oyster:You're not ... (Below threshold)

Oyster:

You're not surprised Hooson is deliberately ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room again are you? ;-)

Oyster, in my own case, loc... (Below threshold)

Oyster, in my own case, local laws allowed the landlord to work on his own property, however he failed to get proper permits for most of the work or allowed a qualified inspection. It certainly cost me a great deal of money, and my lawyer ran into a real stone wall trying to get him to cover any losses under any liability insurance policy he had. The work itself was not in itself illegal, but the failure to get the proper permits or allow proper inspections were violations of city code.

The problem for "Joe" was that news reports that he was not properly licensed as well as all the publicity generated resulted in a widespread investigation of his life, probably often wrongfully. But it was the unfortunate result of too much publicity.

I do feel sorry that "Joe" received too much publicity, and it caused him substantial problems, including all of the investigations. I would have hoped that the McCain Campaign would have realized this and just left the poor guy alone when the problems started for "Joe" rather than continue to milk this as an issue no matter how much harm it was causing "Joe".

"Joe" was a private citizen with a few problems and issues, and was not prepared to be a major issue in this campaign by any means. I feel sorry for him everytime his name comes up again.

The Clinton's use of the FB... (Below threshold)
MPR:

The Clinton's use of the FBI and IRS will seem like child's play if Obambi wins the election. The waco left's hypocrisy always gets exposed except in the MSM.

"I do feel sorry that "J... (Below threshold)

"I do feel sorry that "Joe" received too much publicity, and it caused him substantial problems, including all of the investigations. I would have hoped that the McCain Campaign would have realized this and just left the poor guy alone when the problems started for "Joe" rather than continue to milk this as an issue no matter how much harm it was causing "Joe"."

Flabbergasting. And you're pouring it on very thick, even for you.

"Well, the problem for "... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"Well, the problem for "Joe" was that according to reports he was an unlicensed plumber which may be anywhere from a civil to criminal violation of local laws just like unlicensed plastic surgeons, electricians, or others who could cause great public harm"

Hooson, with the outrageoud lie you have risen to a whole new level of assholeness. Smary, arrogant, butt-stupid, elitists like you make me sick.

Tom, I'm actually sympathet... (Below threshold)

Tom, I'm actually sympathetic to "Joe". But I understand how all this happened. Questions about his licensing made him the subject of several possible investigations for any criminal violations by local and state officials. "Joe" was not prepared for all this publicity or his name to come up 28 times in the third debate.

Listen asshole Hooson, Joe ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Listen asshole Hooson, Joe was operating under his partners license. It's totally legal. You are a complete asshole. You have not clue about the building trades, obviuosly which makes me doubt pretty much everything you claimed in the past on this blog.

Flabbergasting.</... (Below threshold)

Flabbergasting.

Exactly, Tom.

Joe's problem was not "publicity"; Joe's problem was malfeasance (to put the best possible spin on it) on the part of some government bureaucrat in Ohio.

Paul, Joe was already under... (Below threshold)

Paul, Joe was already under intense scrutiny prior to the debate, and it came from the media. There was already a smear "Joe the Plumber" campaign underway long before John McCain spoke respectfully about him and others like him in the last debate. I'm not surprised that you'd choose to forget that, then try to pin it on McCain in some twisted view of reality.

I will say it again. When ... (Below threshold)
Rndguy:

I will say it again. When do you know you took some air of excitment out of a liberal? When their tactics are exposed. Once exposed they just become unhinged.

Look at all the upset lefties who are making ignorant comments here.

I am sure these same lefties would agree with me that getting at terrorist using the same tactics would be ok too? Right? I mean what is good for American is good for the enemy, right?

Oh..that is right...the lefties will defend the enemy because both have the same victim in mind. American democracy!!!

So, Paul. What do you thin... (Below threshold)

So, Paul. What do you think about the topic? Do you think it's a good idea for someone in one department or your government to rifle through your personal data in another with no justifiable cause? Don't you think it's a problem that someone from Cuyahoga Children's Services used a test account to access Joe the Plumber's Ohio BMV records for no documented reason? And this so happens to take place 3 times shortly after the debate, according to the article by the Dispatch?

Tom and P. Bunyan, I bet no... (Below threshold)

Tom and P. Bunyan, I bet no one from the McCain Campaign contacted "Joe" ahead of time and asked his permission to use his name over and over and over again, and make him a public figure overnight and bring a lot of scrutiny on him. It is all this publicity that has caused this guy a lot of problems.

The line between a private person and a public personality was so blurred this time that it resulted in a widespread variety of problems for "Joe", some of which are indeed unfair to him. How to put this genie back in the bottle is difficult once opened.

I just don't think that a private person should be drawn into such public matters unless they sign a consent form to be used.

For all the millions that the McCain Campaign has raised as well as the McCain family income which exceeds $4 million a year, you'd think that they could help this poor "Joe" guy out a little bit for all the problems that they caused him. The McCain Campaign has no problem spending $75,000 in one day for clothes for Sarah Palin, and her makeup artist is now the highest paid staffer in the entire McCain Campaign, more so than any strategist or economics advisor, which speaks volumes for where the priorities of this campaign are, all show and no substance.

Once again, Paul. What do ... (Below threshold)

Once again, Paul. What do you think of the topic? I'm not interested in your misplaced spin and your poor attempt to switch topics. Are you going to continue to ignore the 800-pound gorilla in the room?

If true, the fact that one ... (Below threshold)
Good Captain:

If true, the fact that one of the searches was made from the Attorney General's office would be most interesting. I am sure that Ohio statutes govern proper procedure for the AG in both in initiating and prosecuting cases. My guess is that these rules too were violated such that the AG (or minion doing the search) probably would have no real cover for their actions. Again, if this is true, Ohio has a pair of outstanding civil servants b/n the AG and the Sec'y of State.

Tom, I will directly answer... (Below threshold)

Tom, I will directly answer your question about whether it is right for all of "Joe's" DMV and other records unrelated to his plumbing work to be gone through. No it isn't. But such government abuses a few in government were just part of the publicity problems that resulted from making a private citizen into a public figure without his written consent.

Where was the McCain background search on "Joe" to determine whether he could withstand a public scrutiny campaign when they decided to invade his privacy and make him a major issue? This is why I believe the McCain Campaign owed this poor guy the decency to sign a consent form or not before they decided to use him to such an extent like they did. I bet he probably has good grounds for a lawsuit over this with the McCain Campaign.

Hoosan is turning this disc... (Below threshold)

Hoosan is turning this discussion into an Extravaganza of Idiocy.

I hereby award him the
Craig Livingstone Medal for meritorious respect for privacy rights and individual liberty.

"Tom, I will directly an... (Below threshold)

"Tom, I will directly answer your question about whether it is right for all of "Joe's" DMV and other records unrelated to his plumbing work to be gone through. No it isn't."

I'm glad you agree it isn't appropriate. Thanks for directly answering that question.

"But such government abuses a few in government were just part of the publicity problems that resulted from making a private citizen into a public figure without his written consent."

You're right. The media didn't ask their consent to do that, did they? Although, they don't need that consent for public records, they still engaged in a smear campaign against the guy. And he voiced his displeasure with said media scrutiny. Remember?

"Where was the McCain background search on "Joe" to determine whether he could withstand a public scrutiny campaign when they decided to invade his privacy and make him a major issue? This is why I believe the McCain Campaign owed this poor guy the decency to sign a consent form or not before they decided to use him to such an extent like they did. I bet he probably has good grounds for a lawsuit over this with the McCain Campaign."

There's a big problem with this absolute fallacy, aside from the fact that it's completely off topic. You're the only one complaining about it. Joe the Plumber isn't complaining about the attention he received from the McCain campaign, and in my opinion, it's because the McCain campaign respectfully addressed the issue Joe the Plumber confronted Barack Obama with. If you'll recall, Obama didn't come up with a satisfactory answer for Joe.

If Joe the Plumber isn't complaining about it, then it's a faux issue invented by you. I can only guess that's because you want to attempt to distract from the real reason Joe the Plumber is under so much scrutiny.

Now back to our topic at hand, which is whether Ohio governmental employees illegally accessed Joe's private data without justification or not.

Let's clear this up:<... (Below threshold)
ECM:

Let's clear this up:

1. It doesn't matter who Joe the Plumber is--anything Hooson says about the man is meaningless and immaterial. It's what Obama said in response to a simple question. The End.

2. Digging into the personal files of a citizen without legal justification is, in fact, ILLEGAL--if there was some legitimate justification for it, this story wouldn't exist in its current form as what has happened would be considered routine and banal. The End.

ECM:That was power... (Below threshold)

ECM:

That was powerfully said with brevity. I need to take a lesson from you. Maybe a lot of lessons. Bravo.

100% agree with ECM, couldn... (Below threshold)
Chip:

100% agree with ECM, couldn't have said it better,

All you dailykos, liberal w... (Below threshold)
MPR:

All you dailykos, liberal waco types, think Wizbang/blue.

Excellent post ECM. And I ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Excellent post ECM. And I want to apologize to everyone but Hooson for my outburst earlier. The total arrogance, hypocracy, elitism, mendacity, ignorance, and Marxism of Hooson really pisses me off sometimes.

But when I think about it, it has to be hard for the Marxists. Their messiah did something so terrible it's almost unthinkable to them: he actually told the truth in public and on the record. It will likely cost him the election. They must be going insane and grasping at straws like the ad-hominem attacks on JTP are to be expected.

Now, I'm not saying they're justified nor is it in any way justified for Hooson to attempt to deflect the fact that they broke the law for their last ditch, logical falacy, ad-hominem, but I can see Hooson and his leftist buddies true colors showing through here.

PAUL, you will note that a... (Below threshold)
epador:

PAUL, you will note that although this illegal use of government hardware and software to examine private information occurred AFTER the debate, there was already (as mentioned many times above) intense media (MSM and blogsphere) attention to Joe. Joe spoke to Barack while he knew he was on camera. He knew he was exposing himself to risk. If you look at his statements to the media since, it is obvious he is not stupid or naive. [OK folks, no reading between the lines now, I am not making any unwritten attributions in comparison]. He wanted to see someone ask a candidate a tough question, and when he got the chance to, he did so with dignity and intelligence. [ditto] I haven't seen any evidence that he considers himself a victim. [ditto]

"I do feel sorry that "J... (Below threshold)

"I do feel sorry that "Joe" received too much publicity, and it caused him substantial problems, including all of the investigations."

Right....yet, you immediately followed that in comment #13 and again in #23 and yet again in #26 laying blame with McCain for the actions of others. Even to the point that McCain should be responsible for relieving him of any burdens imposed by the actions of others.

"Flabbergasting" doesn't even do your idiocy justice. A whole string of negative adjectives, interspersed with expletives, couldn't do it justice.

My God.

ECM, nice post. I'd like to... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

ECM, nice post. I'd like to add #3 however.

3. The tactics used by Obama allies against Joe the Plumber have been used to muzzle opposing views since the beginning of time.

Those defending or rationalizing this tactic could well be next. They're also the ones who'll be hit when Obama discovers his tax plan actually reduced revenues and he'll have to drop the $250k threshold to $100, then $50.

Hello Epador, Joe is funny ... (Below threshold)

Hello Epador, Joe is funny in that he stopped doing interviews when the publicity got too much for him shortly after the debate, but soon started right back again a day or two later, and he did unfortunately allow himself exposure to both Obama and McCain, seeking some publicity it seems.

At some point you'd think that all of the negatives would make the guy realize that being a public figure has huge drawbacks. Joe is nearly as much to blame here as anyone I suppose and seems to allow his own problems to develop. But overall I don't think that his Andy Warhol "15 minutes" has been very good for him when some writers like Kim here note all the problems with DMV investigations, etc.

And Paul Bunyan, I know that everyone is a Communist except for you. I personally didn't think I was a Marxist by any means with all my years in business and my capitalist loves for buying new material goods like new motorbikes every time a new model comes out that I fancy, etc. and always on the look out for finding a new girlfriend or other hedonistic pursuits. But apparently, you think you know me better.

"It will likely cost him... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

"It will likely cost him the election."

No, it won't. He's going to win--comfortably--and you're going to have to pay taxes to a government controlled by a (gasp!) socialist--just like you have every single year of your taxpaying life. Were there public schools under the Reagan administration? Did Bush Jr. privatize all infrastructure development? You don't know what the word means.

"I bet no one from the McCa... (Below threshold)
Marc:

"I bet no one from the McCain Campaign contacted "Joe" ahead of time and asked his permission to use his name over and over and over again, and make him a public figure overnight and bring a lot of scrutiny on him. It is all this publicity that has caused this guy a lot of problems."

If I recall correctly, it was the Obama campaign, in fact Obama himself, that accidentally made the mistake of plucking Joe out of obscurity and made him a public figure when Obama approached him and the media was there to cover it. And it spread across the internet like wildfire, making the media cover Joe some more. By the time the McCain campaign got around to mentioning him, he already was a public figure. The "problems" that came with it (smear campaign, investigations into his private background, etc) cannot be blamed on the McCain campaign.

You have to wonder at the h... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

You have to wonder at the hypocrisy of the Democrats when they froth at the mouth over Homeland Security measures that would allow Fedco to snoop on home grown terrorists but have absolutely no problem using government computers to investigate a man that asked a question to their messiah that proved embarrassing and true.

I know what you espouse Hoo... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

I know what you espouse Hooson. Straw men & Denials won't change that. There are different types of wealthy persons. Your type isn't worth the CO2 you produce by breathing.

Sorry Obama told the truth, Hooson.

This is OT, but is anybody ... (Below threshold)

This is OT, but is anybody keeping a running tally of all the lines of work and business Paul Hooson has claimed to have worked in? It seems the list grows every week. When he first showed up some months back, he was a big-ass punk rock star, but then later on he claimed to be some kind of big-time real estate speculator, and now up earlier in the thread, TV repairman. The mind boggles. What's it going to be next, syndicate hit man? Hairdresser to the stars?

I think we should start calling him "Paul Hooson: International Man of Mystery" and speculate as to what line of work he'll come up with next.

"Where was the McCain backg... (Below threshold)
JimK:

"Where was the McCain background search on "Joe" to determine whether he could withstand a public scrutiny campaign when they decided to invade his privacy and make him a major issue?"

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

You are, quite simply, a LIAR. Left-leaning blogs and media were all over Joe for having the audacity to be approached BY OBAMA, then asking Obama a direct question. This online smear attack, morphing into a media blitz, was going on for more than a day...maybe a full two...before McCain said his name. You are a liar if you claim otherwise.

EVERY time I read Wizbang comments, the same small crew of lying left-wing trolls are in here telling lies, throwing insults and trying to change the subject. I don't know how you people can stand it. It's this exact kind of lying troll that drove me away from political blogging.

It's a lot more than the ta... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

It's a lot more than the taxes Hyper. But I'm glad you acknoledge that The One was lying through his teeth when he said his tax increases won't affect me. (& I barely make enough to heat Hooson's mansion.)

You know Hooson, if you rea... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

You know Hooson, if you really understood capitalism you'd know that it not about selfish bastards like yourself. It's not about toys or hedonism. The stereotype the Hollywood Marxists try to create is simply false.

I'm not saying that every capitalist is was wonderful, selfless person, just that skum like you are the exception and no where near the rule

Sheesh. Let's let this guy ... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Sheesh. Let's let this guy alone already. He's been turned into just another bait-and-switch misdirection play. It's either OMG He's a dirty liar!!! Or it's OMG what a martyr for the cause!!!

I know now why my German friend laughs at the way we conduct our politics.

Parthenon:How long... (Below threshold)

Parthenon:

How long would you tolerate someone who consistently pulls the same bait-and-switch misdirection play, over and over, before you start to wonder about the person's honesty?

And does anyone have anything to say about the topic anymore?

Oregonmuse, things should b... (Below threshold)

Oregonmuse, things should be related to the topic at hand that Kim wrote about Joe. But since you brought me up once again as an issue, I'll defend myself, then I want to rest for a while because I'm real tired.

When I was 23, I opened a record store, Galaxy Records, and met some musicians and became the lead singer of a punk rock band, The Inputs in 1979, and did some shows with this band off and on until 1983, I think. Our last show we opened for was Frank Zappa's band. With my obligations to my businesses, I didn't have a lot of time to tour, and the band replaced me with a lead singer, Roz Rezabek who was the then boyfriend of Courtney Love when she lived in Portland, Oregon at the time. We did have limited airplay of one song, ELVIS IS DEAD on at least one Portland radio station KKSN.

But when I was 25 I opened a book store, Mr. Cheap Books, and then a second one, Galaxy Bookstore, but by the age of 26 I decided to turn my interest in electronics to opening some TV stores and shops named Galaxy TV.

In 1976, while attending college I headed a lobby organization which I founded that sought support for educational bills and better student loan funding and agreed to only work for the minimum wage at the time as a labor of love. I was elected student body treasurer of Portland Community College around that time as well, but I had also attended Portland State University since I was 18 as well. And I have a liitle more education from Ambassador Coollege as well in Bible studies. All together I have around seven years of college, but no degree.

I currently have real estate properties I run and hope to buy more properties very soon as prices are so low right now and bargains are out there.

If you care to Email me, I'll gladly provide you with any proof of any of this if you so desire. But I don't understand why you think that this is so incredible.

Sigh. Apparently not. It'... (Below threshold)

Sigh. Apparently not. It's turned into the Paul Hooson thread. I give up.

Tom Blogical - "Plus, w... (Below threshold)
marc:

Tom Blogical - "Plus, why would a person from Cuyahoga County Child Services be interested in BMV Department information on "Joe the Plumber"? Obviously, someone wanted to mask their identity."

I think a larger point/possibility is being missed here.

Remember, "Joe," is a single father who just recently regained custody of his son after a long legal battle.

Given all the other nonsense, legal and otherwise, it's not out of the question someone was digging into the Child Services database to cause problems with that custody issue.

hooson - "If you care t... (Below threshold)
marc:

hooson - "If you care to Email me, I'll gladly provide you with any proof of any of this if you so desire."

Do you honestly think anyone, aside from your Wiz-Blue landlord/butt-buddy lee, give a rats ass?

This is just another point you FAIL TO SEE. It matters little how many businesses, failed or not, you may or may not have. NONE of it is EVER relevant to ANY discussion here and only serves to show you're an egotistical buffoon and most times struggle for relevance on a topic at hand.

Put another way... STFU and go cower in your "blue corner."

Paul H. also forgot to tell... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Paul H. also forgot to tell you he was Queen of England once also. Cheesh this guy tries so hard to impress with citing a resume, bogus or not. I am unimpressed. I don't know who you are or what you do. YOu telling me this is unimportant in proving it so. I also could care less. Hyperbolist is another that is in love with his prose. JFO is just a loser who shows up to impose invective and prove how unlearned he is.

Joe the Plumber learned what demo's will do to any average hard worker that dares to question the messiah. If Barry wins, the clock starts ticking. ww

Paul Hooson writes (post 48... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Paul Hooson writes (post 48): "All together I have around seven years of college, but no degree."

"Seven years of College, down the drain" -Bluto Blutarsky

:-)

A corollary of "What goes a... (Below threshold)
ptg:

A corollary of "What goes around, comes around" is "You will become that which you hate." This story is a good example of how that works.

"Sheesh. Let's let this ... (Below threshold)

"Sheesh. Let's let this guy alone already. He's been turned into just another bait-and-switch misdirection play."

Parthenon, Hooson chose to ignore (as was said, the 800 lb gorilla in the room) and in doing so went off on some tangent, remarking on one small aspect of the story which he later admitted he had no knowledge of, and segued into some personal anecdotal story that had no resemblance to the issue.

Yet, when he keeps on carrying on, post after post, with a truly bizarre line of reasoning and is called on it, you want to admonish US for baiting and switching? Especially when time after time he was asked to comment about the subject of the post?

Hooson blames McCain for Joe's woes and Parthenon blames us for derailing the subject. Maybe I didn't really wake up this morning and I'm just stuck in some crazy dream where up is down and down is up.

Oyster, my comment wasn't i... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Oyster, my comment wasn't intended as an indictment of the room, just the media frenzy over the guy in general. It seems to me that whatever value Wurzelbacher added to the campaign has long since passed. Real world examples are good, but it's really starting to feel to me like the GOP ticket is trying to use him as an appeal-to-emotion statue of liberty play. They're acting like Bourbon Democrats, IMO. 'Vote for us so Joe can buy his company.'

"Hooson blames McCain fo... (Below threshold)

"Hooson blames McCain for Joe's woes and Parthenon blames us for derailing the subject. Maybe I didn't really wake up this morning and I'm just stuck in some crazy dream where up is down and down is up."

Which is exactly why I gave up on the thread. They've succeeded in changing the topic to something else. Never mind about a citizen's privacy being trampled on by the Ohio government, in a possible attempt to intimidate JTP into keeping quiet. We can't have that talked about, now can we?

"Real world examples are... (Below threshold)

"Real world examples are good, but it's really starting to feel to me like the GOP ticket is trying to use him as an appeal-to-emotion statue of liberty play. They're acting like Bourbon Democrats, IMO. 'Vote for us so Joe can buy his company.'"

See? Let's discuss anything but the topic.

Hi, sorry to interupt, but ... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Hi, sorry to interupt, but I work at the local mental health facility, and it seems one of our patients, a Mr. Paul Hooson... Hey, there you are!

Do you honestly think an... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Do you honestly think anyone, aside from your Wiz-Blue landlord/butt-buddy lee, give a rats ass?

Stay classy, buddy boy.

See? Let's discuss anything but the topic.

Guilty. I've got a bad habit of teasing out tangentially topical points and replying to those or replying (and thus extending) the off-topics of others.

My 'on-topic' two cents is that these govt. employees are nothing special, and should be punished with whatever is the relevant rule in their employee handbook. To emphasize, this is nothing special and probably nothing to get screechy about. I heard of coworkers when I was at JCPenney looking up the credit card information of celebrities, just to see their address and purchase history. They never did anything with it; they were just bored kids being stupid.

exactly who accessed the fi... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

exactly who accessed the files? what info do they contain? why did they do it? was it part of an organized effort? did any of the information ultimately make it into the hands of the press or political operatives? what party or parties were they all from?

oh, you all have no idea? just guessing?

oh.

Thanks, Parthenon.... (Below threshold)

Thanks, Parthenon.

exactly who accessed ... (Below threshold)

exactly who accessed the files? what info do they contain? why did they do it? was it part of an organized effort? did any of the information ultimately make it into the hands of the press or political operatives? what party or parties were they all from?

Peabody

Those are excellent questions. In fact they are the kind of questions Woodward and Bernstein asked. When those two were stonewalled, they persisited and asked more questions until they found the answers.

Now go get some answers for us, because we all know the elite media is not going to do it.

the media didnt properly ex... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

the media didnt properly examine bu$h's fraudulent motives for the iraq war, or his trampling of the constitution, so i dont have total confidence in them either....

the media didnt prope... (Below threshold)

the media didnt properly examine bu$h's fraudulent motives for the iraq war, or his trampling of the constitution, so i dont have total confidence in them either....

then why believe anything they say about Obama?

who says i do? i definitely... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

who says i do? i definitely dont believe what the mccain campaign says about mccain himself or his opponent. mccains credibility has been utterly zeroed out, and he was my choice in 2000

Parthenon - "Do you hon... (Below threshold)
marc:

Parthenon - "Do you honestly think anyone, aside from your Wiz-Blue landlord/butt-buddy lee, give a rats ass? Stay classy, buddy boy."

Why thanks, I do believe I will.

And that goes triple for the likes of hooson who would rather talk every which way but Sunday when asked a direct question.

Well, unless the question is about his plethora of past businesses, education with no degree or his rantings in favor of unions while openly pimping scooters made by non-union shops.

The real story on Wizbang, ... (Below threshold)
The Truth:

The real story on Wizbang, of course, is that Kim Priestap has lost every ounce of whatever questionable credibility she ever had. She soiled her metaphorical britches in grand style "reporting" a "story," about a white, female McCain campaign worker who was allegedly attacked by a black, male Obama supporter, who, while carrying out this heinous deed, carved a "B" on her face with a knife. Which now of course has been has been exposed as an utter, total lie.

But let's concentrate on the Kimster, shall we? She's been completely and thoroughly exposed as a shrill, hysterical spokes-hole, a mindless, Palin-esque empty shell and tool who reflexively parrots, without investigation, without conscience, without the slightest glimmer of intelligence, the following idiocy:

"Drudge has the headline in red. These Obama cultists are dangerous and out of control. What the hell will these people do if the messiah loses on November 4th? Is this the new strategy to get Obama elected? Vote Obama or we'll riot, mutilate people and destroy property? Keep in mind, community activists used intimidation to get banks to give home loans to minority and high risk customers. They stormed bank lobbies and scared away customers. They harassed bank presidents at their homes. It seems they're willing to go even further and actually mutilate a McCain supporter. Will voters with McCain signs in their front yards be targeted, too? To me, this is an argument to defeat Obama soundly on November 4th. We will not be intimidated into voting for Obama."

Really Kim. Have you no pride? Have you no shame? Have you no decency?

You certainly have no credentials as a journalist, reporter or writer. You've embarrassed yourself about as totally as one can in public.

You've exposed yourself for what you are. The next time you link the words "Obama" and "terrorist" in the same sentence, please be sure to take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself just who the real terrorist seems to be here.

I wish you a eight long, wonderful years in the country of President Obama. Get used to it. You've helped make it happen.

And we who support Obama can't thank you enough!

Paul just officially cut of... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Paul just officially cut off his male genitalia and became Paula.

No real man could defend the crap he does. A silly woman? Yes. A man? No.

Adios Paul. Hellloooooo Paula.

Lol.

Re comment 68: I thought i... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Re comment 68: I thought it looked kind of familiar.

Again, The Truth proves himself to be a waste of bandwidth. How about banned width since you can't seem to post comments that are on-topic? I can hope, at least.

Seems no one remembers when... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Seems no one remembers when state employees were poking around Obama's and other candidates' government records. The collective reaction of Wizbang was less than outrage.

There's even a long-time Wizbang commenter who has no problems using his own position to dig up private government information on enemies of the right. No one seemed bothered by his abuse of his position.

"Less than outrage."... (Below threshold)

"Less than outrage."

What does that mean? You like that word. You use it a lot. If we're outraged, we're thoughtlessly reactionary and worthy of your scorn. If we're not outraged, we're hypocrites and worthy of your scorn.

Your outrage-o-meter is not the universal standard.

Whatever level of outrage any one person may or may not display is attributable to that one person only and the circumstances involved. It is not an indictment of everyone else, nor a group as a whole.

Since you left not one comment in one of those links, and nothing other than to clarify a point on the other, then by your standards (since you appeared to have no reaction) I could include you in the group that was "less than outraged".

This looks like a clear abuse of position and if any of these people actually were the source of disseminating any of the information they got, then it was with the purpose of destroying the character of a private citizen and political opponent and effectively helps to deflect attention from the crux of the story; the answer to a question.

No real man could defend... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

No real man could defend the crap he does. A silly woman? Yes. A man? No.

Adios Paul. Hellloooooo Paula.

So, to recap, we have Mr. Hooson called a homosexual insult and now told he is acting like 'a silly woman.'

Stay classy, wizbangers!

I haven't read some of the ... (Below threshold)
rileyb:

I haven't read some of the weirder comments on here but I do keep
hearing that Joe is unlicensed. I read that he was working under the
company's license while trying to obtain his own license. I understand
that this is perfectly legal. In the liberal's eyes, anything that embarrasses their messiah must be punished and Joe did the unspeakable...he questioned the messiah instead of just praising him.
BTW...check out Nobama for the Jumpin' Joe video where he is asked
"inappropriately" hard questions. His own question at one point in the
video is, "who's wrote these questions?" Then the intended followup
interview with Jill Biden was cancelled. Their campaign can't take the
heat of an honest interview. How would they ever run this country?

I would hope that they can ... (Below threshold)
Ken:

I would hope that they can find out who the person is, and I believe that it is probably someone from the Obama campaign.

I believe that those on the Obama team will do anything to get Obama elected.

NOBAMA 2008

McCain/Palin 2008

Parthenon~<blockquote... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Parthenon~

Stay classy, wizbangers!

Play that broken record over at DU and Kos, okay? And insert the appropriate name. You're starting to sound like jp2. Some day you will be pure and unscathed, just like as are. Then you will also learn to stop lumping people together, just as our on the-verge-of-socialism government is trying to do. Better yet, write your incorrupt congressman.

*just as they are.... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

*just as they are.

Brian~Obama is a c... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Brian~

Obama is a candidate running for POTUS, not a citizen asking a candidate about how he would be affected by a tax increase.

And who cares where Glenn Greenwald lives, anyway, and why he moved? He chose also to be a public figure, and if you will notice, the information was not broadcasted in the comments.

"Real world examples are... (Below threshold)

"Real world examples are good, but it's really starting to feel to me like the GOP ticket is trying to use him as an appeal-to-emotion statue of liberty play."

I don't see it as an appeal to emotion. Most of the anger is over the express purpose to destroy the message by destroying the person.

Joe's story is a real life example. Yet by destroying him personally, real life examples can be ignored. If you want to claim the GOP is appealing to emotion, fine, but share some of that tsk-tsking for the other side. Obama actually mocked him and made an incredulous statement saying, "A plumber is the guy he's fighting for," then asked, "How many plumbers do you know making a quarter million dollars a year?". I just sat there and shook my head while I listened to his audience erupt in laughter. I happen to know a couple plumbers myself. Both hard working decent people who built their businesses up from scratch. One is a woman. I'm sure she's very pleased with Obama right now.

What do you think Obama was appealing to there? Have you even thought about it? Or have you only tried to figure out what the ulterior motives could be for the GOP? And please, please, don't attribute ANOTHER of Obama's statements to "an unfortunate gaffe". I'm quite tired of that excuse.




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