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That Joe Biden Interview Everyone Is Talking About

I didn't expect to see any interviews like this one by Barbara West at WFTV in Florida until after the election. One thing is certain, though, there won't be any more like this one before it. Biden's wife, Jill, has cancelled her interview with West due to the embarrassing questions her husband got.

Biggest whopper by Biden in the interview -- he says the Obama campaign has not paid one cent to ACORN. No, actually they paid over 800,000 dollars to an ACORN group to "get out the vote." But why quibble over such minor details, huh?


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I'm girding my loins after ... (Below threshold)
Captain America:

I'm girding my loins after that interview.

Sen. Biden (a.k.a. "Crazy Joe") warned us last week of the impending international crisis should Obama (D-ACORN) be elected president.

Crazy Joe went on to reassure us that he and Obama (D-ACORN) will know what to do even if we don't understand it...

Now, under duress by a probative television reporter, Crazy Joe has sounded the retreat and beat a path away never to be heard from again by an erstwhile reporter.

Now I know what he meant by "gird your loins."

A taste of things to come i... (Below threshold)
kt:

A taste of things to come if O gets in office.


She did a great job and asked the questions all of us want answers to. Obama wouldn't have lasted past March if the media had done its job.

Holy Schnike! That is the ... (Below threshold)

Holy Schnike! That is the first interview I have seen in this entire 4 year election cycle since Obama and Clinton have been running where a Democrat was asked questions on a par with the questions that Republicans are asked in basically every interview. Wow!

Has she been fired, yet?

Did you like the part where he got so flustered he started talking about how Bush is the one that has been "spreading the wealth around", Obama hasn't said anything about "spreading the wealth around", and Obama is "more prepared" than John McCain on foreign policy?

Was this from SNL, too?

Man, he didn't have his loins girded enough for her.

The right dismissed much so... (Below threshold)
Brian:

The right dismissed much softer questions to Palin as "gotcha" journalism. So much for that.

Can you imagine the outrage from the right if Palin was asked, "Joseph Goebbels said, 'If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.' Isn't that what you're attempting to achieve by repeating that Obama will raise taxes on the middle class?"

But regardless of how much you may be cheering the questions, Biden handled himself very well, and left the final impression that the reporter was clearly from the "far right".

But regardless of how mu... (Below threshold)
rls:

But regardless of how much you may be cheering the questions, Biden handled himself very well, and left the final impression that the reporter was clearly from the "far right".


We must have seen different interviews.

Why is it when Obama and Bi... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

Why is it when Obama and Biden hear a woman say something the least bit critical of them, they immediately imply that she can't have created the question herself?

Tells me alot about what they "really" think about women.

As Biden said Brian, are yo... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

As Biden said Brian, are you kidding?

Biden came across well if the viewer didn't know that Obama gave over $800,000 to an ACORN group to "get out the vote." Or if they didn't know that Obama DID say spreading the wealth around is good for everybody. Or if they didn't have half a brain.

"Joseph Goebbels said, 'If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.' Isn't that what you're attempting to achieve by repeating that Obama will raise taxes on the middle class?"

No, that is what Obama is trying to do when he keeps repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating that 95% will get tax cuts, even when that many don't even pay income taxes, and when Obama has done nothing but raise taxes for his entire career. That is the best example of repeating a lie often enough that the media swallows it whole and regurgitates it free of charge.

There are plenty of others though. Like repeating that the current financial crisis is due to Bush policies, when Barney Frank and other Dems are the ones who thwarted every effort (and there were many) by Bush and Republicans to do something about the Fannie/Freddie sub-prime situation before it ever got to crisis point. That lie has worked out really well for Obama.

Face it. Almost every Republican interview by the mainstream media is at least as tough as this, with the reporters routinely spouting untrue assumptions and Dem talking points and then editing the hell out of the responses as they did Palin's in the Couric and Gibson interviews.

Welcome to our world. Don't worry. It won't last long. That reporter will probably be fired and those coming behind her won't dare veer from Obamathought for a while due to her example. The campaign is already punishing her. She won't be interviewing any more Obama-Biden people anytime soon. The Obama thought police are already taking care of that.

Brian - "But regardless... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brian - "But regardless of how much you may be cheering the questions, Biden handled himself very well, and left the final impression that the reporter was clearly from the "far right".

Its been said, but needs repeating.

If you saying "biden handled himself well" means he delivered his utterly fictitious Messiah Talking Points (patent pending) with great aplomb and verve I suppose you're right.

If that's not your meaning Biden did what he and His Master always do slither away from questions, the $800,000 dollar questions, like snakes being chased by a mongoose.

I'm sure Biden has some spi... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I'm sure Biden has some spin for how what he said about ACORN was technically correct. But regardless, I'm not saying his answers should have turned you into a liberal. I'm saying he handled it well, and appeared to successfully rebuff the questions without being flustered. Now, you'll obviously dissect his answers and counter them with the same claims you've been using against Obama and Biden for months. That makes this interview no different from any other.

No, that is what Obama is trying to do when he keeps repeating and repeating and repeating

Again, you seem to want to switch into a discussion on tax policies. Many other threads for that. My question here was what you would be saying about a reporter if they had compared Palin to Goebbels to her face.

brian - "I'm saying he ... (Below threshold)
marc:

brian - "I'm saying he handled it well, and appeared to successfully rebuff the questions without being flustered."

No he saved that from public view, then handed it over to the local sycophants who "took their interview toys and went home."

What concerns me greatly is... (Below threshold)
AJ:

What concerns me greatly is how Biden dismissed concerns that average Americans have in regard to Obama's plans as being "extremist" and thus ignoring them as inconsequential. The left originally touted Obama as a great uniter. But, at this stage of the game, it's clear that those whose ideas differ fom his, those who question his policy, and those who dare to speak aginst him are either attempted to be silenced through threats of lawsuits, or dismissed as being "extremists." So much for unifying our country. Biden's answer showed me just exactly where I stand in this country after an Obama victory. I'm only good for the money he will take fom me. My thoughts, concerns, and future mean nothing in an Obama administration.

If you saying "biden han... (Below threshold)
Brian:

If you saying "biden handled himself well" means he delivered his utterly fictitious Messiah Talking Points (patent pending) with great aplomb and verve I suppose you're right.

Yes, exactly what he, Obama, McCain, and Palin always do. Well, scratch Palin.

What concerns me greatly... (Below threshold)
Brian:

What concerns me greatly is how Biden dismissed concerns that average Americans have in regard to Obama's plans as being "extremist" and thus ignoring them as inconsequential.

The "average American" does not have such concerns. The far right of the Republican party is not the "average American".

brian - "The "average A... (Below threshold)
marc:

brian - "The "average American" does not have such concerns. The far right of the Republican party is not the "average American".

Sorry, I'm the lie to that statement, as are many others. Pretty presumptuous to speak for all republicans or right "leaners" aren't you?

This centrist has other concerns as well.

Like why does The Messiah allow foreign citizens contribute to his campaign?

And sad to say because of his lax, to be kind, oversight of his campaign fund drive that's far from an isolated incident.

The "average American" d... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

The "average American" does not have such concerns.

Ha! Very telling.

If by "average American" you mean the monkeys waiting for the bell to ring and the gov't pellet to drop into their food dish, then yeah.

Oh, why should we worry. Biden has already said that we'll be too stupid to understand what Brocko is doing when he flubs the upcoming international crisis. What an insult to the "average American".

BrianWhat is the def... (Below threshold)

Brian
What is the definition of an "average American"?

Ashley Todd should be the n... (Below threshold)

Ashley Todd should be the new republican party's poster girl.

Biden answered her nasty questions just fine. Republicans got nothing. Do you wonder why nothing is sticking to Obama? It's because you got a lot of nothing.

jc - "Do you wonder wh... (Below threshold)
marc:

jc - "Do you wonder why nothing is sticking to Obama? It's because you got a lot of nothing."

Something must be sticking, the funky "they're up they're down polling" shows the race tightening up considerably in the last few days.

Not only that, follow the money, The Messiah is spending a butt load of cash in areas that were "safe" a month ago.

Not only that, follow... (Below threshold)

Not only that, follow the money, The Messiah is spending a butt load of cash in areas that were "safe" a month ago.

Good point, marc. And, typically, the media is reporting this under the pretense of Obama going for a landslide.

The right dismissed m... (Below threshold)

The right dismissed much softer questions to Palin as "gotcha" journalism. So much for that.

That's ridiculous...and false.

In the past several weeks CNN and ABC have been caught red handed (nice pun) making stuff up in their interviews with Palin.

Charlie Gibson lied to Palin in his interview. CNN correspondent Drew Griffin blatantly lied in his interview with Palin.

The MSM has been so buried in gotcha journalism for the benefit of Obama in this campaign even Bob Kerry is embarrassed.

Hugh, you went a chased Bri... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Hugh, you went a chased Brian away to do some research on KOS to answer your question. Give him a few minutes. ww

Not a concern of average am... (Below threshold)

Not a concern of average americans? The leftweb, trolls, and Joe Biden are clueless on what an 'average American' is. I live in one of the bluest state, yet for the past week or two whenever I have been out - shopping, at a restaurant, I have overheard conversations with 'average Americans', blue ones at that, talking about this 'spread the wealth' stuff and other comments by the messiah with quite a bit of apprehension along with the word 'socialism'. I hear it in my office from people that I know are blue. I hear it when I am checking out at the supermarket. I hear it at Pizzeria Unos. I hear it at Subway. 'Average Americans' are already questioning what they're buying - I just don't think it's going to stop them from swiping their card and signing on the line before it's too late.

What is the definition o... (Below threshold)
Brian:

What is the definition of an "average American"?

Given that the majority of Americans favor Obama, the "average American" also favors him, and thus clearly has little concern over "Obama's plans as being extremist".

Something must be sticki... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Something must be sticking, the funky "they're up they're down polling" shows the race tightening up considerably in the last few days.

Oh really?

Not only that, follow the money, The Messiah is spending a butt load of cash in areas that were "safe" a month ago.

The guy raised $150 million in September alone. He can spend money any damn where he feels like it.

Biden's only real statem... (Below threshold)

Biden's only real statement is that he and Obama are going to "give the middle class a chance." But, he isn't providing any specific ways that they are going to solve the economic crisis that we are in.

No matter who gets elected, the next President and Vice President need to be taking a lot of advice from REAL experts on the national and global economy. For example, I'm convinced that everyone needs to read the following article by Steve Forbes - now that is someone worth listening to!

Link: "How Capitalism Will Save Us" - By Steve Forbes

The race isn't really tight... (Below threshold)
Matt:

The race isn't really tightening --- there's just that one AP outlier dragging the "poll of polls" data off center. Obama's going to win by at least 6%, could be as much as 10%. A blowout, by electoral standards.

Obama's 95% tax-cut figure is correct, if you consider payroll tax a tax, which of course it is, unless you're a Republican trying to brand Obama a liar.

And Palin hasn't been asked a single gotcha question, as far as I can tell. I'm a moderately informed voter, and I could have rattled off the definition of the Bush Doctrine and McCain's policy vis-a-vis striking at Al Qaeda in Pakistan. She's the VP candidate. It's balls-out embarrassing that she doesn't know that stuff. But do you care? No. Do you ask yourselves why you don't care? No.

this is priceless. the poor... (Below threshold)

this is priceless. the poor woman obviously had no clue what she was reading off the teleprompter there; marxism and all... as a european, my fav is her saying that "sweden is a socialist country"!!! this is real funny stuff...

Stop Smoking . . . you have... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Stop Smoking . . . you have no idea. The number of people in America who know the word "socialism" but have no idea what it means is at an all-time high.

Given that the majori... (Below threshold)

Given that the majority of Americans favor Obama, the "average American" also favors him, and thus clearly has little concern over "Obama's plans as being extremist".

That's not a definition Brian. Come on, you can do better than that. Give us a definition.

"The guy raised $150 mil... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"The guy raised $150 million in September alone. He can spend money any damn where he feels like it."

Apparently, he agrees with you, Brian:

Obama raised $1 million for foreign thug's election
Democrat joined Libya's Gadhafi among top contributors to Odinga

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78035

On the left-center-right po... (Below threshold)
Matt:

On the left-center-right political scale, the "median American" undoubtedly prefers Obama.

The notion that he's a covert extremist who's going to jump out of his moderate costume on January 21st is, to put it mildly, juvenile.

Stop smoking~"swed... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Stop smoking~

"sweden is a socialist country!!! this is real funny stuff..."

Center Right Candidate Wins Election In Socialist Sweden - Guess They Got Sick Of Not Having A Job

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001834.html

You're not a very well informed european, are you? Yeah, priceless.

I guess you are also unaware of The Muslim Brotherhood's Infiltration of the West

http://www.counterintelligenceacademy.com/Documents/fjordman_mb_infilitration.html

Matt - "And Palin hasn'... (Below threshold)
marc:

Matt - "And Palin hasn't been asked a single gotcha question, as far as I can tell. I'm a moderately informed voter,"

What's "moderately informed," the New Clueless?

CNN's Drew Griffin's question to Palin:

""Governor, you've been mocked in the press, the press has been pretty hard on you, the Democrats have been pretty hard on you, but also some conservatives have been pretty hard on you as well. The National Review had a story saying that, you know, 'I can't tell if Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt or all of the above.'"

The actual quote was the following:

"Watching press coverage of the Republican candidate for vice president, it's sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt, backward, or -- or, well, all of the above."

Obama's 95% tax-cut f... (Below threshold)

Obama's 95% tax-cut figure is correct

Matt
How many Americans who do not pay taxes are going to get a check from the US government under Obama's plan?

It's almost like she has ti... (Below threshold)
jp2:

It's almost like she has ties to the nutter wing of the right...

Oh yeah, her husband is a Republican adviser. How odd.

Any updates or corrections to your take on the hoax case at this point Lorie? Or do you plan on just ignoring how wrong you were?

"The notion that he's a ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"The notion that he's a covert extremist who's going to jump out of his moderate costume on January 21st is, to put it mildly, juvenile."

What costume?

La Medusa: there is a BIG... (Below threshold)

La Medusa: there is a BIG difference between "socialist" (former east germany) and social demcratic (sweden)!!! ;-)

La Medusa: there is a BIG d... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

La Medusa: there is a BIG difference between "socialist" (former east germany) and social demcratic (sweden)!!! ;-)

Okay, please detail the difference, and what the headline means by "They got tired of not having a job?

Stop SmokingThe fo... (Below threshold)

Stop Smoking

The former East Germany was communist. Read your history.

The innocents shot and killed at Check Point Cahrlie were not murdered bt socialists.

brian - "Oh really?"</e... (Below threshold)
marc:

brian - "Oh really?"

Yes really, and you pointing to one doesn't prove anything beyond your cherry-picking abilities. Some polls show an 8-10 point spread others show 1-2 points nationally.

I see where your hat is hanging, mine? It's not hanging on any polls. 2004 should have taught you Kerry-bots that last elections day.

"The guy raised $150 million in September alone. He can spend money any damn where he feels like it."

While that's a very nice and shiny disco ball your pointing at I didn't say he couldn't spend where the campaign wants.

Stop smoking, I still want ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Stop smoking, I still want you to answer my question, also what part of europe you are from.

LaMedusa - "I guess you... (Below threshold)
marc:

LaMedusa - "I guess you are also unaware of The Muslim Brotherhood's Infiltration of the West"

Not to mention Shria law now being accepted in the U.K's court system.

Some polls show an 8-10 ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Some polls show an 8-10 point spread others show 1-2 points nationally.

As they have always done. Your claim is that the race is "tightening". It's not.

What no disco ball this tim... (Below threshold)
marc:

What no disco ball this time?

That's not a definition ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

That's not a definition Brian. Come on, you can do better than that. Give us a definition.

Why? So you can change the subject to debating the definition of a term that some other commenter (not me) brought up? If you want AJ's definition, ask him. Don't drag me down your off-topic rathole. And drop the lame high school debating tactics.

Marc, I don't want... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Marc,

I don't want to embarrass you, buddy, but this:

""Governor, you've been mocked in the press, the press has been pretty hard on you, the Democrats have been pretty hard on you, but also some conservatives have been pretty hard on you as well. The National Review had a story saying that, you know, 'I can't tell if Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt or all of the above.'"

isn't actually a question, let alone a "gotcha" question. Still wondering, though, what you have to say about the fact that the Republican VP candidate couldn't define the major American foreign policy doctrine of the past 8 years.

As for you, HughS, no Americans who do not pay taxes are going to get a check from the US government under Obama's plan. With rare exceptions --- like this year's stimulus check, which both candidates seem to want to bring back next year, and which is distinct from their tax plans --- tax relief is not provided in the form of checks from the government, but in the form of paying less taxes to the government. Those Americans "who do not pay taxes" actually do pay payroll taxes which are deducted from their paychecks. Their tax relief will come in the form of lower payroll taxes.

Brian - "Don't drag me ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brian - "Don't drag me down your off-topic rathole. And drop the lame high school debating tactics."

Accept when you do it right brian, i.e. "He can spend money any damn where he feels like it."

Why? So you can chang... (Below threshold)

Why? So you can change the subject to debating the definition of a term that some other commenter (not me) brought up?

It's your word in your sentence. It's the primary point of your statement.

Don't drag me down your off-topic rathole

That's precisely what you have done by employing the term "average American". Obviously you want to distance yourself from it.

And drop the lame high school debating tactics.

Lameness is your trademark here brian. Do the intellectually honest thing and defend your own lame discourse and polemic.

Matt - "isn't actually ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Matt - "isn't actually a question, let alone a "gotcha" question."

The what is it if not a question?

"no Americans who do not pay taxes are going to get a check from the US government under Obama's plan."

Think not? Guess again, I have zero U.S. derived income with the eception of my U.S. Navy retirement pay. Due to it being below the threshold I get all of what is withheld back. Under the obama plan.... I'll get ANOTHER check.

And I'm all "hopey" and full of "changefullness" you're in a tax bracket THAT extra money comes from.

HughS,I tried to c... (Below threshold)
Matt:

HughS,

I tried to clarify what I believe was Brian's point with this: "On the left-center-right political scale, the 'median American' undoubtedly prefers Obama."

At any rate, you know what he means. What's with all the half-assed semantics?

Just a quick reply to Marc.... (Below threshold)
jacquie:

Just a quick reply to Marc....where do you get your information about SHARIA law? I live in Britain and was unaware of this fact but then reading some of the comments the truth means nothing when your candidate is on the ropes and hurtin' ......you betcha!!

Those Americans "who... (Below threshold)

Those Americans "who do not pay taxes" actually do pay payroll taxes which are deducted from their paychecks.

That is false.

There are many Americans who do not pay payroll taxes because they are self employed. They are are called small business owners.

Matt, you need to get better informed on this issue, starting with learning the difference between employee payroll withholding and small business owner taxes. The devil is in the details.

At any rate, you know... (Below threshold)

At any rate, you know what he means. What's with all the half-assed semantics?

Let brian explain his vernacular, Matt. After he does I'll explain the half assed semantics for you.

Marc,This... (Below threshold)
matt:

Marc,

This

"Governor, you've been mocked in the press, the press has been pretty hard on you, the Democrats have been pretty hard on you, but also some conservatives have been pretty hard on you as well. The National Review had a story saying that, you know, 'I can't tell if Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt or all of the above.''"

is two sentences, the first containing four statements, the second containing one. It's 100% not a question. One way to tell: no question marks.

As for your taxes . . . you're a perfect example. A guy who doesn't pay taxes who will benefit from Obama's tax plan. Lorie and HughS, are you reading this?

I've read articles about th... (Below threshold)
Colorado:

I've read articles about this interview from the right and the left, and I don't see what the big deal is. I watched the interview and thought he did well under the circumstances. If a democratic candidate goes on an interview with an obviously bias interviewer, then coming out ok, which I think is what Biden did, is pretty good. However, I felt that he didn't do as well as he could have on the last question. The left will make it out to be a victory for Biden, and the right will call it evidence of failure, but after three days, no one will remember this.

is two sentences, the... (Below threshold)

is two sentences, the first containing four statements, the second containing one. It's 100% not a question. One way to tell: no question marks.

Well, we've established two things tonight, Matt.

One, you understand nothing about federal tax policy.

Two, you understand nothing about proper attribution and quoting of an outside source.

Get a clue and come back later.

colorado - "I've read a... (Below threshold)
marc:

colorado - "I've read articles about this interview from the right and the left, and I don't see what the big deal is."

And I agree with you, the problem lays at the feet of the obama camp acting like spoiled children and shutting out a news source.

But we've seen that before when they refused to appear on Fox (for about 18 months) until it was politically expedient.

"Get a clue and come ba... (Below threshold)
marc:

"Get a clue and come back later."

No, just get a clue, forget the return trip.

jacquie - Well DO'H!<... (Below threshold)
marc:

jacquie - Well DO'H!

Try reading the link provided in the post I noted Sharai law in the U.K.

HughS,Having been ... (Below threshold)
matt:

HughS,

Having been a small business owner who earned very little, I can tell you that the number of small business owners who pay no taxes is very low, due to the roughly 7.5% tax surcharge (known as the self-employment tax) they're forced to pay to make up for not having to pay payroll taxes. All but a few of the very lowest (and highest) earning small business owners will get tax relief under Obama's plan.

So here, let me tack on your last paragraph, since it applies:

Hugh, you need to get better informed on this issue, starting with learning the difference between employee payroll withholding and small business owner taxes. The devil is in the details.

As for Brian's vernacular, I explained it to you. So explain your quarter-assed semantics to me, if you can.

Obamessiah!Fall to... (Below threshold)
Jalil Ali Akbar Khan:

Obamessiah!

Fall to your knees to worship him for he is risen!

Allah Akbar

Hugh, See my previ... (Below threshold)
matt:

Hugh,

See my previous post for some edification on tax policy.

This, however, requires some explanation:

"Two, you understand nothing about proper attribution and quoting of an outside source."

If you can support this head-scratching allegation with anything factual/reasonable/sane, please do so.


Orlando TV "Journalist" Bar... (Below threshold)
Jalil Ali Akbar Khan:

Orlando TV "Journalist" Barbara West's Husband, Wade West is a GOP Media Consultant and infidel!

http://www.bluetidalwave.com/2008/10/conflict-of-interest-orlando-journalist.html

Off with his head! Off with her head!

Long live Karl Marx, Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves!

Allahu Akbar!

BrianWhat is the ... (Below threshold)
Jalil Ali Akbar Khan:

Brian
What is the definition of an "average American"?

The average American thinks the country is on the wrong track and is fed up with the republican party, failed conservative policies and the right wing in general. Simple.

GOP Delenda Est!

Off with their heads!

Allahu Akbar!

marc, i dunno, maybe it's j... (Below threshold)
matt:

marc, i dunno, maybe it's just me, but i'd say the guy who can't tell the difference between a question and a statement is the one without a clue, lol.

republicans, gotta love 'em!

at Lamedusa,i'm euro... (Below threshold)
Paul:

at Lamedusa,
i'm european as well.but i'm also an MA in political science, so let me tell you a basic fact: the article you posted is clearly politically biased, and i'd say it's written by an american.
concerning "socialist sweden", that's a very original american classification. you'll never hear in europe such thing, but i guess that's because we're all socialists or neo-communists, with little differences between one another.
As for "sweden turns right", do not confuse swedish right with the american right. In most european countries, even the right has adopted the protection of the middle class and socially weakest members of state.it's a matter of fairness and equality.You'd call any center-right government in europe a socialist one...

It seems that the word "socialism" is intended to have some negative connotation over there. i thought socialism was the final stage of communism, according to marx's theory. Uhm, and "socialist parties" in europe are just centre-left parties. I guess then it's ok to call republicans imperialists or fascists then.

Some people need to get over cold war rethoric... good luck with that.

ps: i mean, you have Palin saying barbarities in interviews. You have John Mccain talking to a plummer who-was-not-exactly-what-he-had implied most of the time in a presidential debate as if it were Sesame Street, and still you criticize this interview?
Anyway, good luck to all of you and hope things get better for the US and the world after the elections.


Matt - "marc, i dunno, ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Matt - "marc, i dunno, maybe it's just me, but i'd say the guy who can't tell the difference between a question and a statement is the one without a clue, lol."

You go ahead and do that fifth grader internet thingy (i.e."LOL"") in the meantime that interview is all over the internet in video format I'd bet your intellectual honesty is at such a low level you wouldn't take the time to seek it out, view it, then return and admit it WAS a question.

Prove me wrong.

Matt (aka Brian's (brother?... (Below threshold)

Matt (aka Brian's (brother?)(buddy?)(soque pupppet?)....I don't care what you think about what brian said. End of discussion on that matter.


You say...

All but a few of the very lowest (and highest) earning small business owners will get tax relief under Obama's plan.

As I said, the devil is in the details and if you are a small business owner and your chief concern is earning more than the 7.5% tax surcharge then you have have demonstrated very clearly that you do not know what a small business is.

Here is the definition of a small business, matt:

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=b6e780955530049be4cc0d0a0e391115&rgn=div5&view=text&node=13:1.0.1.1.15&idno=13#13:1.0.1.1.15.1.263.1

Obama is targeting these businesses, Matt, because, as Willie Sutton said, this is where the money is. Read through that link carefully.

Small business provides almost all of the new job creation in any economic cycle, but even more so in downturns.

Obama wants to increase taxes on these small businesses. That is an insane tax policy, particularly in an economic downturn. It is anti growth and anti small business.

As for your taxes . . . ... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

As for your taxes . . . you're a perfect example. A guy who doesn't pay taxes who will benefit from Obama's tax plan. Lorie and HughS, are you reading this?

So, marc will get money (over and above retirement) from all the rest of us. You think this is good...why?

btw, it didn't seem that marc was in favor of this plan, despite it 'benefitting' him personally.

I have to say trying... (Below threshold)
ss:


I have to say trying to set up a comparison of any tax plan to Karl Marx and communism is absurd no matter who the candidate is. Obviously, the interviewer comes from a conservative bias. You get those kinds of things from both sides every once in awhile. I thought Biden did well. I'm pretty sure he felt sandbagged by the whole thing judging by the post-interview reaction and I'm not surprised that he doesn't want his wife to step into a one sided interview.

Those trying to create a spark from it are likely to be disappointed. However, if the potential VP and POTUS can't stand up to that much heat on the spur of the moment -- a la Palin and Couric -- then they probably shouldn't be allowed to set foot in the White House except as a visitor.

she looked ridiculous askin... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

she looked ridiculous asking a US senator about marxism. are the right-wingnuts sorry that she didnt ask biden why he hates freedom?

lies: its all the shameful neocons have.

""Governor, you've been moc... (Below threshold)
matt:

""Governor, you've been mocked in the press, the press has been pretty hard on you, the Democrats have been pretty hard on you, but also some conservatives have been pretty hard on you as well. The National Review had a story saying that, you know, 'I can't tell if Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt or all of the above.'"

It's still not a question, man. I don't know what else to say to you. Is 5th grade still an option? I think that might be when they go over the statement/question dichotomy. Plus you might gain a new respect for 'LOL'.

LOL.

Anyway, good luck ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Anyway, good luck to all of you and hope things get better for the US and the world after the elections.

I am sure we all appreciate that, Paul, but what did Palin say that was so "barbaric", and what about Joe the Plumber is was-not-exactly-what-he-had implied? The focus should be on Obama's "share the wealth" response, especially when in an interview, Joe Biden said he was "not going to share the wealth." These two never seem to be on the same page, which should be the real issue raising eyebrows.

Socialism is a segue to communism, and that would be the worst possible situation for America.

Regardless of how you define center right, evidently they felt a need to get rid of the Social Democrats. I doubt you would find an article that appeared non-biased to you:

New Swedish leader promises privatisations

"Campaigning on a ticket of moderate welfare reforms and tax incentives to increase employment, Reinfeldt has not promised a radical breakaway from the renowned Swedish social model. The electorate's fatigue with the percieved arrogance of the Social Democrats, and its mixed record on youth employment, contributed to Reinfeldt's win."
http://www.euractiv.com/en/innovation/new-swedish-leader-promises-privatisations/article-157896

matt~That quote wa... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

matt~

That quote was taken out of context:

VAN SUSTEREN: Here's the problem. The CNN reporter took the quote completely out of context. The column was actually an indictment of the media, not the governor, but of the media. Here's the quote in context. "Watching press coverage of the Republican candidate for vice president, sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin's incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt, backward or, well, all of the above."'

Now, as the attacks on Governor Palin continue, Senator McCain is fighting back, defending his running mate on Don Imus's radio show.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,443712,00.html

It wouldn't surprise me that you would use it against Palin without submitting the details.

peabody~"she looke... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

peabody~

"she looked ridiculous asking a US senator about marxism. are the right-wingnuts sorry that she didnt ask biden why he hates freedom?"

Why would she ask that? Is there a quote somewhere? No, I am really asking you to see if you can explain the reasoning behind the above question you asked.

Also, it doesn't surprise m... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Also, it doesn't surprise me that you overlooked how Biden contradicted Obama's "share the wealth" comment to Joe the Plumber. Can you imagine such an administration where the veep has to keep saying "no, he didn't mean that..." Wow, just wow.

Hugh,You backed do... (Below threshold)
matt:

Hugh,

You backed down from my challenge that you explain yourself with regard to Brian's definition of an "average American."

You failed to respond to my request that you justify this incoherent accusation, "Two, you understand nothing about proper attribution and quoting of an outside source."

You've been repeatedly corrected with regard to the tax code, and yet you're still accusing ME of ignorance, even as you write things like "if you are a small business owner and your chief concern is earning more than the 7.5% tax surcharge you have have demonstrated very clearly that you do not know what a small business is." I'll actually explain why that's a stupid thing to accuse me of, using something I like to call "reason." First of all, I never said it was "my chief concern" or anything remotely similar --- that's something YOU made up. Second, how could one attempt to "earn more" than a 7.5% tax surcharge on their income? That doesn't even make sense. There's your income, there's your tax surcharge, which is 7.5% of it. You can't outearn the surcharge, it just goes up as your income goes up. Right? Yes, right. So let's look at the scorecard. You used A.) something I didn't say and B.) a piece of nonsense to allege I've demonstrated I don't know what a small business is. What you've demonstrated is that you don't know how to think.

As to Marc getting some help from the rest of us, I think that's okay, and I don't mind kicking in for it, even though I'm not rich myself (my household is two adults, two kids, and we make about $70K pretax per year). Why? A country where people aren't lacking the basic necessities is more stable, lower crime, less prone to wild economic fluctuations. I'm willing to pay above and beyond for that. Adam Smith, the father of f$cking economics, and a wiser man than both of us, favored a mildly progressive tax code for just this reason.

As to why Marc's not in favor of it, well, he's a knee-jerk ideologue who doesn't know what's good for him or his country, or, for that matter, what's the difference between a statement and a question. So I wouldn't take what he thinks to be proof of anything more than his own opinion.

Have a good night. Have a good next Tuesday night too. You'll hate the results, but your life will get better.

LaMedusa,I didn't ... (Below threshold)
Matt:

LaMedusa,

I didn't take the quote out of context. I was unaware of its existence until Marc used it as an example of a "gotcha" question asked of Sarah Palin. I have simply been pulling it out of Marc's post and pointing out that it's not a question, which it isn't.

at Lameduda, thanks for the... (Below threshold)
Paul:

at Lameduda, thanks for the response

What did i find "barbaric" about Palin's interviews
- well, ... how can i put it?the fact a VP candidate didn't know what Bush Doctrine was; her views on evolutionism; her lack of substance when asked for concrete measures; her lack of foreign policy basic knowledge; her act to seem like a "hockey mom" etc (which is an almost insulting theatrical act); her lack of articulation; her attempts to define what real america is and is not; and so on. actually the first one above mention suffices. It's really serious, we're speaking about a VP candidate, and you don't want again backstage people pulling the strings, right?

- about Mccain and the Plumber
well, i personally found his use of the "plumber" as something you would do when talking to a group of 5 year old. Second, the plumber was a republican, and therefore the reason why he confronted obama with the questions he did even if he wasnt in the position of being affected by the candidate's proposals in a negative way. Third, everyone is entitled to ask any questions, but when he becomes the flag for the republican view of "the american dream", that's a different story and there should be an extreme care with who you're actually going to put on the light spot. I would think a person who represents the "american dream" would be someone a bit better than that, and not necessarily a republican. Coincidences i guess (and don't say "why not?"). Fourth, in my opinion, and just my own, i found the whole thing so theatrical and premeditated that i couldn't take it serious and i started to laugh. and i stayed until 4am awake to watch it live, so...damn!

"Socialism is a segue to communism, and that would be the worst possible situation for America"
That's the thing. You have never had real communism in this world, and you had never had socialism. there was stalinism, maoism, and so on, who used the theory just to ideologically justify what were far right dictatorships. This is not even a thing to be feared in the US, because it just can't happen beyong the theoretical realm. if anything, it would take a revolution and decades to implement anything close to communism in the US.

-Actually, i find that article 100% non-biased. but it's a world appart in content from the previous you had posted, isn't it?
but i don't see how this article reinforces your view about sweden.
Things work like this in Europe: several public owned sectors sometimes become deficitary. when that happens either semi-privatizations occur, or a total privatization - it's all about benefitting people the most and not about following strict ideological models. The turn sweden took to the right is perfectly normal, and as it states in the article, the new swedish leader said he wouldn't change the swedish social system. That includes things that in the US are labelled as "socialism".And again, a government like that would be classified as "anti-american" or "socialist" in the US; and i guess i don't have to mention that it's actually a "coallition" between 4 parties, which means they didn't even get a majority of votes and just won by 2% against the whole social democrats;)

And as you know, countries like Sweden, Denmark or Finland have the lowest rates of poverty in the world and some of the highest living standards as well.

The only thing to say about this is, don't let the politicians feed you with fear and ideological dogmas. It's our responsibility to do so, wherever we are.

Word up, Paul. It's howling... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Word up, Paul. It's howling into the void, but you've got to keep making the effort.

lamedusa - the simple fact ... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

lamedusa - the simple fact is that obama isnt a socialist, even though his "spread the wealth" blurb sounds like your misquotation of "share the wealth". obama should further clarify that comment since neonuts take it to mean something he himself didnt mean. so far he has only re-phrased it as "spread the opportunity" but he should go a step farther

he has never described a single socialist point of view, even his health care proposals are free-market based, but if you want to take those three words as the base of his entire platform, its your privilige to do so

call him commie, socialist, terrorist lover. whatever. it doesnt matter. those silly lies have already found their place in the bottom of americas political trashbin

matt~"I have simpl... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

matt~

"I have simply been pulling it out of Marc's post and pointing out that it's not a question, which it isn't."

Okay, clarified.

Matt says...... (Below threshold)

Matt says...

You backed down from my challenge that you explain yourself with regard to Brian's definition of an "average American."

Let this sink in matt....I don't care what you think about what brian said.

I said this earlier so focus on comprehension, to wit, that you do not understand nor can you articulate a response to my comment about your inability to get your head around the gist of proper attribution and quoting of an outside source.

Also, you have not "repeatedly corrected (me) with regard to the tax code".

matt, you fail to understand, nor have you demonstrated in your comments, any coherent knowledge of current (and future Obama planned) tax policy.

But keep swinging, matt. You might hit something if you persist (watch your jaw, though).


Paul, their taxes are also ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Paul, their taxes are also some of the highest, so I still find them far from perfect. Don't assume I can't think for myself and cannot see things as they are. With all due respect, with as much as I am still learning, there isn't a hell of a lot I am unaware of.

peabody, your denial of Obama's lies and associations are too pathetic to address. The one lie that I will address, is that he is presenting himself as "against the war from the beginning". Again, from Bill Clinton:

Bill Clinton on Obama: Big Fairy Tale

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJRkw03woqc

If you really believe he is going to stop the war in Iraq, withdraw the troops in an exact timeline, and not work with Iran against Israel, then you are more naive than I thought. You are electing him because you believe he will "change" things.

lamedusa - behold a lesson ... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

lamedusa - behold a lesson in objectivity. i dont assume obama will change anything, but i think theres a good chance he will do so in many of the ways he has described: sober foreign policy instead of pitifully reckless cowboy diplomacy. responsible government instead of this orwellian wiretapping nightmare, etc. when it comes down to it, the only thing mccain is promising to change is the gender of the VP

obama has always been on record as being against the iraq war. so, none other than bill clinton is your character witness here? hmmm... do you have any REAL backup showing that obama was for the iraq war?

Lamedusadid i once s... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Lamedusa
did i once say you don't know what you're talking about? i would never descend to that level of arrogance, i simply reply with my own knowlegde.if that's offensive, i apologize.

yep, they have high taxes. so...what? they barely pay for school until post graduate courses, there's lots of social support for any mergency situation, they discount for social security (whats the different between paying for private and for state owned? only one: at least government has to rationalize it, and it does not go to gambling pockets), free health issurance, etc. Put together what you pay for privates, and you'll find no difference.
Just one: things are much more leveled in terms of wealth and profit seekers can open business in areas that don't jeopardize basic social universal needs. is it....bad? oh well, i honestly find it fantastic because i don't care much about becoming very rich, instead i'd love to see all people having their dignity and needs proteted

Good night everyone, time to go

Yeah, he handled himself wi... (Below threshold)
jd:

Yeah, he handled himself with grace and aplomb. If lying and acting like he was above answering a tough question, then yeah, he acted with "grace and aplomb".

He lied about no money going to ACORN. $800,000 went to an ACORN subsidiary earlier this year. Because it was not disclosed honestly, that $800k is a big enough oops that the Obama campaign has to restate its campaign finance reporting to properly reflect it.

And don't bother repeating the talking point that those making over $250k will only have their taxes go up a few percentage points. A small business owner making $250k will experience a 12.9% increase in his employment tax in addition to the 4% increase in marginal income tax rate. That means the govt will take 55% of his income from the very people that have created 80% of the new jobs since the early to mid 1990's.

Oh and let's not forget about the increase in capital gains tax that will further discourage investment in our economy ... this despite the fact that increasing this tax rate has proven to result in fewer tax revenue receipts.

Redistribution at its finest.

Obama and Biden -- change that will make you cringe.

Here's a challenge for all ... (Below threshold)
Tim:

Here's a challenge for all of you libs out there: I want you, without reading anyone else's reply, to tell us what the Bush Doctrine is. Since there is actually no official 'Bush Doctrine', it will be interesting to see how many different answers we get.

the whole ACORN issue is a ... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

the whole ACORN issue is a dumb canard

ACORN is required by law to turn in every registration they get. if they find any irregularities, they should report them, which they in fact did in this very case

the registration fraud doesnt point to any kind of intended voter fraud. at worst, some registration workers get a few extra bucks for signing up mickey mouse, or for double-registering voters by sharing names with other registration workers. those are the actual violations we're all talking about here, and they dont enable anyone to vote fraudulently. and finally, ACORN doesnt just register democrats, they register voters regardless of party affiliation

by the way, 2 years ago, john mccain was a keynote speaker for ACORN, calling them "heroes"... is he wrong?

the mccain campaign knows all this. they are willfully lying to you. i dont blame you for finding that very hard to take

tim - im as anti-bu$h as it... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

tim - im as anti-bu$h as it gets, so go ahead and take my words with a grain of salt...

...but for me the words "bu$h doctrine" have long had a conventional meaning, one of pre-emptive military aggression

there may be several doctrines that have come from this administration, but i always saw only one being significant enough to be labeled as "THE" bu$h doctrine

It's your word in your s... (Below threshold)
Brian:

It's your word in your sentence. It's the primary point of your statement.

No, it was AJ's word.

Your comment above applies more to YOUR comment than mine. If the definition is so important to your point, why don't you define it?

That's precisely what you have done by employing the term "average American".

AJ employed it. I responded. If you want the definition, hound him.

Do the intellectually honest thing and defend your own lame discourse and polemic.

Intellectually honest would be to not pretend you don't know what I'm talking about.

Obama is leading across most, if not every demographic. Define "average American" any way you want. It's just another of your red herrings.

Hugh,You're like t... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Hugh,

You're like the knight in the Holy Grail who keeps getting his limbs hacked off and then saying, "Only a flesh wound."

You wrote: "You understand nothing about proper attribution and quoting of an outside source."

I responded: "If you can support this head-scratching allegation with anything factual/reasonable/sane, please do so."

I was hoping that you'd write back with, for instance, a specific quote you'd felt I'd misattributed, along with some evidence of misattribution. But you did not.

Now you write, "I said this earlier so focus on comprehension, to wit, that you do not understand nor can you articulate a response to my comment about your inability to get your head around the gist of proper attribution and quoting of an outside source."

Here's what I comprehend.

You made an allegation about a quote you failed to identify, regarding a misattribution you failed to substantiate, or even elaborate on.

When asked for elaboration, you provided none.

When called out for your failure to provide the requested elaboration, you responded with a more insulting, less well-written reiteration of your first allegation, which, still, did not identify the quote or describe the nature of misattribution I am alleged to have committed.

You are truly an idiot.

You have been edified about the tax code. You clearly didn't know about the self-employment tax until I told you. Also, you didn't, and perhaps still don't, understand that the tax rate one pays is a percentage of one's income, minus certain deductions, as opposed to something one can "earn more than," whatever you think you mean when you say that.

I have repeatedly demonstrated my knowledge of Obama's tax policies. If your ignorance and illogic prevent you from seeing that, there's not much I can do about it. I will say you haven't refuted a single point of mine with anything that makes sense.

In the context of this argument, you're lying on the ground, bleeding out. My boot's on your windpipe. You don't realize it though, you just think it's getting dark, and you're starting to think about your mommy. Good night. Seriously. If you wake up tomorrow, you're in heaven. Or somewhere.

ACORN has claimed they sign... (Below threshold)
jd:

ACORN has claimed they signed up 1.3 million new voters in an aggressive get out the vote registration campaign. They are currently being investigated for voter registration fraud in at least seven states.

The Obama campaign funneled $800 fuc*ing thousand dollars to a subsidiary of ACORN. They didn't disclose that's where the funds went and have to make corrections to their campaign finance reports to reflect where the money went.

As for McCain calling them heroes a couple years ago ... yeah he was wrong. He also didn't funnel almost a million dollars to this unethical and disgraceful organization.

Keep telling yourself it's a canard. Moron.

Here's a challenge for a... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Here's a challenge for all of you libs out there: I want you, without reading anyone else's reply, to tell us what the Bush Doctrine is. Since there is actually no official 'Bush Doctrine', it will be interesting to see how many different answers we get.

You miss the point. There's nothing wrong with having many different answers. It's being unable to provide even one of them that's the issue.

jd - awww. upset? we'll se ... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

jd - awww. upset? we'll se if this "investigation" turns up anything

....besides canards

=]

yeah, i dont think palins p... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

yeah, i dont think palins problem was that she couldnt pick which of the bu$h doctrines to choose from

she drew a total 100% blank

=]

The Bush Doctrine? Sure. Pr... (Below threshold)
matt:

The Bush Doctrine? Sure. Preemptive use of American military force, in response to perceived threats both military and ideological. Approval of our allies (any of them) not in any way required.

Publicly, the perceived threats have to be military (WMDs, etc.). Covertly, they can be more complexly ideological, i.e. the following rationale for invading Iraq:

A. They're a secular Arab nation, so we can attack them without appearing to be attacking Islam itself, yet at the same time
B. Prove to Islamic Arab nations who doubt our willingness to fight that we will kick butt if need be, plus
C. Saddam has it coming, even if he doesn't have WMDs.

How's that for a lib?

Pretend it will just go awa... (Below threshold)
jd:

Pretend it will just go away. Nice use of facts in your reply, by the way.

Maybe you could tell us why taking 55% of a small business owner's income over $250k (excluding state and city income taxes) and giving it to other people is not redistribution. By the way, the 12.90% increase in employment taxes will not increase the social security benefits of those people paying that increased tax.

Obama and Biden -- change that will make you cringe.

peabody~"Though li... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

peabody~

"Though liberals want Congress to stop funding the war in order to end it, Obama has indicated that he will vote for the latest $95.5 billion Iraq appropriation when it comes before the Senate this spring."
Also, in this article, Bill Burton speaks for Obama saying he was "against", and Clinton challenged it. He also said Obama removed a video from his website that would imply his support. Why you are ignoring that, I don't know, neither do I care any more.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/03/20/obamas_record_shows_caution_nuance_on_iraq/

"Obama was not a U.S. senator at the time, and thus did not, as the Agence France Presse argued, "face therefore the high-stakes choice which confronted Clinton, fellow candidates Senator Joseph Biden, Chris Dodd and former senator John Edwards, who ... all voted in October 2002 to give Bush power to wage war in Iraq."

And from the horse's mouth:

"On Iraq, on paper, there's not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago. There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who's in a position to execute."

He gave a speech against the war in 2002, but politically did what was convenient for him.

Years later, he has more at stake and campaigns against wasted lives.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama:_U.S._presidential_election%2C_2008/On_the_war_in_Iraq


55% of $250,000? You actual... (Below threshold)
matt:

55% of $250,000? You actually believe that, jd? No wonder you're in such a tizzy. I'd be too, if it were true.

Sorry, 55% of OVER $250K.</... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Sorry, 55% of OVER $250K.

Your response to jd just sh... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Your response to jd just shows your ignorance. You are right in line with Obama when you ignore what he says with "aw, are you upset?"

"instead i'd love to see al... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"instead i'd love to see all people having their dignity and needs proteted"

That's great, Paul, and Obama's plan to share the wealth is supposed to be about helping our the middle class. Unfortunately, he has no intention of making that happen.

Matt, it really is 55% over... (Below threshold)
jd:

Matt, it really is 55% over $250k. I wasn't taking a shot at you and wasn't even reading your posts.

He wants to take 55% over $250k and not give that taxpayer anything in return. Obama's spending promises are massive. He can't afford to stop at 55% on the "rich" and contrary to what he says, he will go after the middle class taxpayer and increase his taxes in time as well. He will have no alternative with what he describes as a pay as you go budget policy.

the only reason any tax hik... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

the only reason any tax hike is being proposed at all is that spending is too far out of control and budget cuts alone simply arent looking like the sustainable answer for the time being

the tax rate for the bracket immediately above $250k will go from 36% to 39%. the shelters that enable so many businesses to pay no tax at all will largely remain in effect

we arent talking about socialism, even if the existing medicare, social security, and other similar social programs do inherently redistribute wealth. we can argue about whether those programs are good for our country but they arent classic socialism

How am I showing my ignoran... (Below threshold)
Matt:

How am I showing my ignorance? JD's information is bad. Obama's proposed tax rate for small business profits over $250K is 39%, up from the current 36%. So a small business owner whose pre-tax profit is $300K will take home $1,500 less ((39%-36%) * ($300K-$250K). I can't feel too upset about that, especially when there's already been a spreading of the wealth, from the lower and middle classes to the upper class, over the past 30 years.

I was talking about your ig... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

I was talking about your ignorance toward ACORN. When McCain called him on it in the debate, Obama just looked down and smiled, as if to say the same thing, "aww, are you upset?" Since your mind is set that it's all Bush's fault, we will just leave it at that.

oh, you weren't responding ... (Below threshold)
matt:

oh, you weren't responding to me. sorry.

lamedusa - as usual, the wo... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

lamedusa - as usual, the wordplay you guys use to try and paint obama into some kind of corner is telling, very telling. instead of looking for one video that "might imply" support for the iraq war, just look at his record. he never supported it. we all know the war needs funding even when it is in the process of finally being brought to an end

and we've been over the fact that the iraq use of force resolution wasnt a war resolution. bu$h ignored its conditions and used falsified intel to go against the spirit of that resolution

even you must get the feeling bu$h had already made up his mind to attack iraq at that time, despite the whole concept being that he would not have

"oh, you weren't responding... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"oh, you weren't responding to me. sorry."

s'okay, matt. I actually thought I was responding to peabody when you asked me.

peabody, I'm done. I'm not going to get into Bush's original plans and Tenet's influence. You can remain ignorant. You generalize because what you say is based on what you have heard. How do I know? It was "Bush worked very hard to turn me from a supporter into someone who considers him a lowly traitor and a war criminal," not you. No solid facts, just calling him a war criminal and a traitor. The word "traitor" seems to be the calling card, and the at the head of the talking points with the ones that say it is "all Bushes fault", so I'm done. No more sources or proof for you because you are stuck.

lamedusa - you really are o... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

lamedusa - you really are one of the least sophisticated thinkers on this board. that is saying a lot. many neocons here may disagree fervently with me but at least they know how to make a point. you do not.

I told you, peabody. I am d... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

I told you, peabody. I am done. Least sophisticated, just because you don't understand my point? You will sleep well believing that. Time for you to get your last word in without backing it up, and don't forget your sophisticated dollar sign.

$leep well!=]... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

$leep well!

=]

It is over for Barack if pe... (Below threshold)
Baklava:
It's almost like she has... (Below threshold)
Lorie:

It's almost like she has ties to the nutter wing of the right...

Oh yeah, her husband is a Republican adviser. How odd.

Any updates or corrections to your take on the hoax case at this point Lorie? Or do you plan on just ignoring how wrong you were? -- jp2

It is not odd it if a freaking miracle considering the overwhelming majority of those in the media have ties to the Democrats. Polls show most journalists overwhelmingly vote Democrat and many national journalists' spouses work for Dems.

I don't think I had a post on the hoax, but I added some notes to Kim's post saying it looked suspicious to me and that whether it was true or not I didn't think the media would cover it the way they did the bogus "Kill him" angry mob story. I think I was 100 percent right about the different coverage. Most people I know are not aware that the Secret Service could not find one other person at the rally, including 40 other SS agents, that heard the "kill him" remark other than one reporter. Since Obama cited the bogus example in the debate I think there is no doubt that one will never be adequately corrected.

I have one more post in the works for tomorrow, hopefully, but plan on working phone banks this week to help get voters to the polls here in NC this week so I might not post a lot. I don't know if McCain will carry NC or not, but I am going to do my part and hopefully will help get some good down ballot people elected either way.

les nesman - "btw, it d... (Below threshold)
marc:

les nesman - "btw, it didn't seem that marc was in favor of this plan, despite it 'benefitting' him personally.

Correct, the whole obama tax plan is a shame. Despite me getting a free check in addition to all me withholding back. That free check isn't free for a lot of people that fall far below obama's much bloviated about 250K

Matt - "It's still not ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Matt - "It's still not a question, man. I don't know what else to say to you."

And you so full of "shite" your eyes are brown.

IT is a question, and was a question. Two factors are involved in you not admitting it, 1. You posted the original comment, were shown to be blatantly wrong and can't man-up and admit it. and 2. The reason for the extreme denial (benefit of the doubt given here) is you didn't search out the video, didn't look and listen to it and remain utterly ignorant.

Either way... the end result is your a blithering idiot.

These are not "tough questi... (Below threshold)
Zac:

These are not "tough questions" as the title of video proclaims. They are mindless dribble asked only to illicit negative responses and make some off field assumptions like Obama is related to Marx. For god sake.

Matt, you don't seem to be ... (Below threshold)
JD:

Matt, you don't seem to be too familiar with Obama's tax proposal. In addition to the marginal income tax rate, the guy is going to charge employment tax on all earnings in excess of $250k. For a small business owner that makes in excess of $250k, that will be an additional 12.9% INCLUDING the employee and employer match on that tax.

Please understand your candidates policy proposals before you make statements that reveal your ignorance.

Incidentally, that additional 12.9% in employment tax will not provide any increased benefits to the business owner that is paying the higher employment tax. That tax is currently capped around $100k in earnings.

Redistribution indeed.




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