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Being an American is much more than being "cool"

Unsurprisingly, fresh off the Obama victory, an AP reporter who covers "European Affairs" has published a piece about how being an American is now "cool" again. Apparently, all of Europe loves us, all because we were willing to elect who they wanted us to. (Message: Do what we want you to, regardless of how it will affect your well-being, and trendy, hip Europeans will like you. Disobey us, even if it is to your benefit and safety, and trendy, hip Europeans will shun you. HA.)

She was a stranger, and she kissed me. Just for being an American.

It happened on the bus on my way to work Wednesday morning, a few hours after compatriots clamoring for change swept Barack Obama to his historic victory. I was on the phone, and the 20-something Austrian woman seated in front of me overheard me speaking English.

Without a word, she turned, pecked me on the cheek and stepped off at the next stop.

Nothing was said, but the message was clear: Today, we are all Americans.

For longtime U.S. expatriates like me -- someone far more accustomed to being targeted over unpopular policies, for having my very Americanness publicly assailed -- it feels like an extraordinary turnabout.

Like a long journey over a very bumpy road has abruptly come to an end.

And it's not just me.

An American colleague in Egypt says several people came up to her on the streets of Cairo and said: "America, hooray!" Others, including strangers, expressed congratulations with a smile and a hand over their hearts.

Another colleague, in Amman, says Jordanians stopped her on the street and that several women described how they wept with joy.

... And it wasn't the first time I fudged where I was from. I speak three foreign languages, so I have a bit of flexibility when it comes to faking. At various times, I've been a German in Serbia, a Frenchman in Turkey, a Dutchman in Austria.

I'm not proud of it. But when you're far from home, and you're feeling cornered, you develop what you come to believe are survival skills.

... My children came of age in Europe, and in a hostile post-9/11 world we had to teach them to avoid being too conspicuously American. Don't speak English loudly on the subway. Don't wear baseball caps and tennis shoes. Don't single yourselves out, guys, and even worldly wise Americans can unwittingly become targets.

We didn't overdo it, but there's always been that tension. That difficult-to-describe sense of vulnerability. That nagging instinct that maybe we'd better watch it, because our government is intensely unpopular and we're not entirely welcome.

... I'm a marathon runner, and I have a red, white and blue singlet that I've seldom dared to wear on the Continent. Marathons are difficult enough without enduring catcalls and jeers from spectators.

But my best friend and training partner -- who is French -- just gave me his stamp of approval.

"Will you wear your Stars and Stripes shirt now? You're allowed!" he told me.


Well hey, that's great news. Of all the things that America stands for -- freedom, generosity, strength, resilience -- being "cool" is what's most important. Of course, isn't this what liberalism is all about? I don't know many situations where liberals have ever wanted to do something based on principle or integrity. Liberalism is purely emotion-based, and therefore something as inane as popularity will mean the world to them. Whereas I could care less what the rest of the world thinks of us, say, invading Iraq when it's the right thing to do, liberals are begging for approval from the UN and Europe. It's like that pimply kid in middle school who is tolerated by the trendy kids in the cafeteria because he'll do ridiculous things for their amusement, thinking that one of these days he'll finally win their respect. American liberals are the pimply kid, and Europeans are the trendy kids.

It doesn't seem to me in reading that piece that the writer was ever proud of being an American, especially considering he's an expatriate. But now, now that it's "cool" to be American, he's all about owning his American identity. Very principled, huh?

Being an American is much more than being "cool". It means much more. It's why immigrants want so desperately to be here -- because we are the greatest, freest country on the planet, because we are the last best hope, because we are that shining city on a hill. If Europeans find that to be uncool, then that's fine. I'd rather love my country and be the rejected loser in the corner than disowning America for the sake of inclusion of the trendy Europeans, something this writer -- and Yahoo, who gave this story a top headline in the World News column -- clearly can't understand.

Hat Tip: Newsbusters


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Do not underestimate the im... (Below threshold)
Cockroach:

Do not underestimate the importance of being well liked by citizens of other countries. This can affect whether or not other countries are willing to work and co-operate with us.

If a foreign countries citizens hate us then any co-operation by that country with us will be meet with opposition. This is because all politicans do not want to piss off those that elect them into office. If a foreign countries president pisses off its citizens by co-operating with us then that president will pay a price during its next election.

It may feel good to say things like I don't care what other countries think about us, however, the consequences are very real.

Remember with liberals it's... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Remember with liberals it's all about EVERYONE ELSE'S opinion, and by everyone else I mean everyone else but....Americans.

Let's face it, most liberals were SHUNNED in high school. They weren't the cool crowd. So now they try to make their COUNTRY into the cool crowd.

Liberals are the type of kids who were rejected years ago, they're bitter and they take it out on America.

They're a psychiatrists dream patient because they're SO DANG EASY to figure out.

But miserable people are miserable no matter what. They may think they'll be happy now that their guy is in office. But they won't be happy for long. You can't change what's deep down a fundamental part of your psyche. And they will miss the bitching and moaning because it gives their life meaning and helps them avoid fixing their own lives.

"Today, we are all American... (Below threshold)

"Today, we are all Americans."

Seriously?

Isn't that what you say when a nation suffers some terrible tragedy or disaster?

Oh. Yeah. Right.

Today, we are all Americans.

And yet, Cockroach, I doubt... (Below threshold)

And yet, Cockroach, I doubt that most Democrats would say the same thing about their political opponents at home. Indeed, I think that most Democrats would be more willing to negotiate with our enemies abroad than with the Republicans. I could be mean and say that it's a matter of respect; that Democrats don't respect America's ideals any more than Europeans do, so it's easier for them to throw America's interests overboard than to compromise on the number of dollars thrown at some program serving a Democratic social agenda. I don't think that's entirely it, though. I think instead that Democrats are not able to see distant powers that oppose what they stand for as enemies, only closer powers. The Republicans are close; the Iranians are distant. In any case, it is better to stand on principle and be unpopular than to agree with the group by doing something wrong. Don't even the Democrats teach that to their children?

Let's face it, mos... (Below threshold)
Cockroach:
Let's face it, most liberals were SHUNNED in high school. They weren't the cool crowd. So now they try to make their COUNTRY into the cool crowd.

Liberals are the type of kids who were rejected years ago, they're bitter and they take it out on America.

That is utterly ridiculous. We have been bitter for the last 8 years because we disagree with the direction Bush has taken the country.

Look around. Now that we are going to have a democrat president, many (but not all) republicans are feeling bitter.

Hey, the Europeans paid ... (Below threshold)

Hey, the Europeans paid good money to get Obama elected.

If they want to be happy, I say we let 'em.

Me personally, I would be happy if they would cough up another 1% of GDP for defense, and give the Canadians and Dutch a break from the heavy lifting in Afghanistan. I'm thinking their happiness at our election choice is not going to go as far as changing their national priorities, which is going to come as an unpleasant surprise to a certain English/International Relations major from Columbia.

America now being cool agai... (Below threshold)
Captain America:

America now being cool again is in accordance to America following Europeans definition of cool (on their terms).

Ironically, Michelle Obama follows the same logic when she said for the first time she was proud of her country.

Rejoice?

Cockroach, your stupidity i... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Cockroach, your stupidity is great. If the citizenry hates a country, they won't help that country? Like the palestine? Mexico? Indonesia? Why don't you proof read before you hit submit. ww

Indeed, I think th... (Below threshold)
Cockroach:
Indeed, I think that most Democrats would be more willing to negotiate with our enemies abroad than with the Republicans.

Hillary opposed talking with one's enemies so what your saying can not be applied to all democrats.

After Bush won in 2004 not only were republicans unwilling to work with dems but Cheyney actually said, "To the victor goes the spoils." So a lot of it has to do with re-taliation. I seriously hope Obama is able to get past that.

I blame a lot of the animosity on pundits such as Rush that constantly spew hate and treat the other side as the enemy.

I think that most ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
I think that most Democrats would be more willing to negotiate with our enemies abroad than with the Republicans.

That's because they are mistaken with the idea that if we are nice to other countries, they in turn will reciprocate. It's an ill-informed belief that we can turn any other culture into an ally without being betrayed. Naive, at best. What is also unfortunate is the belief that republicans and conservatives are "evil" and only want war and bloodshed for profit.

No one bothered to investigate the real reason behind Pelosi saying "impeachment if off the table." In reality, she knew where the core of mismanagement was in the admin and didn't want any tracks uncovered. Our whole government and media need reformation, and Obama is not going to do that.

People forget what Biden said about the "generated international crisis" as a testing ground, and within six months of Obama being elected. It's not about testing at all, it's just another crisis strategy being used to force dependence on the government. Obama is in place to pacify with "Hope" and "Change" while America is disarmed.

Since 9/11 I have traveled ... (Below threshold)

Since 9/11 I have traveled to Canada, England, France, Philippines, Mexico and Singapore I never felt any problem with being an American. Sure I had some discussion with folks but I never hid being proud of America.

I am an American by choice and proudly will defend her in any debate. I also served in the Navy and would defend her polices with my life. (If it were not for medical I would be in today. I tried multiple times after 9/11) So if he want to hide who he is then he is coward.

Anyone governments that were hostile to the US were voted out of power in France and Germany the media was silent. Or their was very little coverage of some of the Eastern European countries that looked up to USA?

Many countries engaged in the slave trade most of them European.
So where are the Black head of state for UK, France and Spain?
How about other countries that have engaged in racism
Where the Jewish head of state for Deutschland
or how about a Chinese or Korean for Nippon.


The other reason we're popu... (Below threshold)

The other reason we're popular now is that it's been such a long time since the Europeans were able to consider themselves conservative and reactionary relative to an American government.

This new sensation to pierce the ennui has to result in at least some goodwill.

*impeachment is off the tab... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

*impeachment is off the table

cockroach a/k/a insignifica... (Below threshold)
marc:

cockroach a/k/a insignificant insect - "That is utterly ridiculous. We have been bitter for the last 8 years because we disagree with the direction Bush has taken the country.

How convenient.

And sad how you've brushed aside the nutcases, loonbats, dems, progressives and others where hate oozed like an infected wound from the day the 2000 election was "stolen" until they had the "Iraq excuse" 18 months or so later.

And sad how you've... (Below threshold)
jp2:
And sad how you've brushed aside the nutcases, loonbats, dems, progressives and others where hate oozed like an infected wound

lol

The Entire McCain strategy, and thus Wizbang's, was to get the country to HATE President-elect Barack Obama. Really didn't run on much else. Aravois says it best:

Your side was abominable. Your side was hateful. Your side race-baited. Your side gay-baited. Your side lied like we've never seen in recent presidential campaign history. Your side used a tax-cheat who would do better under Obama's tax proposal to be your everyman on the issue of taxes. Your side, in a veiled effort at race-baiting, said Obama doesn't put his country first. Your side had the audacity to call Obama a socialist. Your side suggested he was a Muslim. Your side suggested he was a terrorist. Your side suggested he was Osama bin Laden.

Spare me the crap about how both sides do it. You people are a disgrace, you've been a disgrace for eight long years, and all your hate and lying and venom and vitriol finally bit you in your collective fat ass.

Cockroach, your st... (Below threshold)
Cockroach:
Cockroach, your stupidity is great. If the citizenry hates a country, they won't help that country?

It doesn't mean they won't help but it definitely plays factor.

Sorry, I don't know how to ... (Below threshold)
martyredcars:

Sorry, I don't know how to quote in a box:

"Let's face it, most liberals were SHUNNED in high school. They weren't the cool crowd. So now they try to make their COUNTRY into the cool crowd.

Liberals are the type of kids who were rejected years ago, they're bitter and they take it out on America.

That is utterly ridiculous. We have been bitter for the last 8 years because we disagree with the direction Bush has taken the country."


I agree that this a simplistic analogy, the "liberals as losers in high school" bit, but I've heard more than one liberal blogger/commentator use it do describe themselves. There was a "Sarah Palin is the mean popular girl in high school" trend as they were trying to decide why they hated her so much.

That's because the... (Below threshold)
Cockroach:
That's because they are mistaken with the idea that if we are nice to other countries, they in turn will reciprocate. It's an ill-informed belief that we can turn any other culture into an ally without being betrayed. Naive, at best.

I did not say, nor do I believe that. However, why do you think in 2003 Ankara did not allow U.S. troops to enter Iraq through Turkey. It is because the U.S. had a 90% unfavorablitity rating in Turkey at the time. Turkey had an election coming up in 2004. It would have been political suicide for Ankara to do so.

Wait a tic, thr author impl... (Below threshold)

Wait a tic, thr author implies that Americans were once considered "cool" in Europe.

Really? When? What year? Did I miss the memo?

Wait, I remember. June 6, 1944. THEN we were cool.

(Pardon the sarcasm and language, but this is the same shit we heard in 1992 after Clinton was elected. Only difference is that I bought into this garbage back in 1992.)

Oh noes! Da wusy pinkoes da... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Oh noes! Da wusy pinkoes dat rolld ovah fo hitler likez us agin!

Seriously, if you say other people think we're 'cool' again, that doesn't invalidate all those other things. It's A and B, not A or B.

because we are the last best hope,

This was true during our civil war. Not so much anymore. The constitutional liberalised republic has plenty of other hopes now.

The Europeans haven't even ... (Below threshold)

The Europeans haven't even had their hangover yet. Give them time. They've verbally abused us for decades. It's what they do. Personally, I'm used to it. I don't care anymore.

"I did not say, nor do I be... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"I did not say, nor do I believe that."

You didn't have to. Jimmy Carter is a perfect example of trying to "connect" with terrorists, and I am sure the best is yet to come. Muammar Ghaddafi calls him Lybia's "Muslim brother", expecting a favor of monitoring Israel's nuclear activities.

"U.S. had a 90% unfavorablitity (sic)rating in Turkey..." Where did you find that and how were we "nice" to them before they turned a cold shoulder?

I heard Iran and Hamas thin... (Below threshold)

I heard Iran and Hamas think we are cool for electing Obama. All the Obama supporters can be proud to be counted in that group.
http://bloggingredneck.blogspot.com/

"It doesn't mean they won't... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"It doesn't mean they won't help but it definitely plays factor."

Especially when citizens hate their own country.

I don't think Europeans find us cool, more like the Indonesians and Islamic counties now. Of course Bill Clinton was cool because he played the sax and hung with Bono.

jp2~You crack me up where most of your comment is quoting someone else. Yeah, you definitely want other people to work for you. Get ready for that magical money tree you've been waiting for.

*Islamic countries.... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

*Islamic countries.

re: my personal experience... (Below threshold)
epador:

re: my personal experience with Europeans and their attitude towards the US

1) Generalizations about Europeans are about as accurate as generalizations about American (US) citizens.

2) Before 9/11 in 2001, Europeans were friendly towards US citizens at times.

3) Right after 9/11, there was an outpouring of sympathy and support including public vigils, with flowers, candles and hand-holding, singing, etc outside US bases.

4) Right after we invaded Afghanistan (remember, this is where Obama says we really need to be spending all our military might) there were public demonstrations by mostly the same crowds, with flowers, candles, singing and signs denouncing our war outside the same US bases.

5) During 2,3, and 4, most locals were just a polite (or not) as they had been before.

Germans seemed more empathetic post 9/11 than the Italians. They also were more controlled (less virulent) in their flip-flopping. I think that's a relatively valid stereotype comparison.

The French, outside of Paris, were generally polite, especially if you had money, but the country folk seemed to remember WWII a little better than their city brethren.

Scandinavians are generally polite about how superior they are.

Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians were very supportive of US. Money helped, but they envy our country and culture. Remember where the only park dedicated to Frank Zappa exists in the world?

Obama will get a lot of initial support. But the fickle public opinion will follow his actions or inactions and be subject to post-honeymoon cystitis, that may even begin before the inauguration.


I traveled extensively in E... (Below threshold)
martyredcars:

I traveled extensively in Europe (Eastern and Western) during both the Clinton and Bush (the younger) administrations. With the exception of a few isolated incidents with xenophobic, small town Ukrainians, I was always treated with hospitality and warmth as an American, no matter the political climate of the day. I never felt the need to pretend I was Canadian or whatever, though I do seem to have an oddly international quality (people often complimented my English, or asked if I was German, Latvian, or Irish, anything but American). Sure, I got into some political debates in which people disagreed with me, but they were indeed more civilized than any liberals I've talked to as of late.

cockroach:<blockquot... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

cockroach:

Do not underestimate the importance of being well liked

Don't overestimate the value of being popular. Doing things to get someone else to 'like' you is rarely a recipe for success.

The US wasn't 'cool' during... (Below threshold)
Hermie:

The US wasn't 'cool' during the Reagan years because we had the nerve to tell the Left we opposed the Soviet's control over eastern Europe and their attempts to neutralize any defense against further aggression.

I guess we were 'cool' when Carter gave Arafat a place at the table, and initiated a non-peace 'peace'.

The same went for Clinton. There was no longer a Soviet Threat, so there was nothing to blame America for...Except for the Palestinians who were a convienient topic at trendy Anti-Semite Euro-Communist parties. Once Clinton got Israel to erode its security further, we were again 'cool'.

The sympathy for America after 9/11 existed like you would have sympathy for your neighbor if his house caught on fire. This period lasted until America set it's sights on the Taliban. Then America was 'uncool' again.

Being 'cool' only lasts as long as you do what is 'acceptable'. It is only temporary as once you give up principles and honor for 'coolness', those who you attempted to curry favor will only treat you with greater, and more visible contempt.

Cockroach, you're a moron, ... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Cockroach, you're a moron, but nice try on trying to debate.

Yeah, some of us are bitter because we saw a media 99.9% in the tank for Obama and vetting Joe The Plumber harder than they did Obama.

If the media were the opposite you'd be pissed too. Plus the fact that we just elected a guy who has no problem hanging around anti Americans his whole career also makes us disgusted. It SHOULD DISGUST YOU. The fact that it makes him more attractive you speaks volumes.

And never forget that it was Nancy Pelosi, who just before an important vote that she NEEDED votes from republicans, couldn't help but get in a big dig at the administration. These DEMS can be all sweet and charming to our enemies, but heaven forbid they try to be DECENT to the other party here at home. EVEN WHEN THEY NEED THEM. Liberals are PARTY before country, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Liberals are miserable people. I've known that for years. And that part about they were rejected in high school IT's TRUE. Look at Markos "Daily Kos" he admits he was bullied in high school. There are millions like that.

Case closed.

Hermie, well said. I could... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Hermie, well said. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Again this "cool" factor just proves once again that it's the Republicans that are the party of grownups and the Dems are the children.

The ice cream man where I g... (Below threshold)
ed davis:

The ice cream man where I grew up was "cool". He gave a lot of kids free ice cream.

Hey, free market stuff right? Don't snitch, right? "That's why that it is called a push up and why that is called a creamsicle" is what I heard back then. Nice lesson in sex ed.

Now, would you figure out a way to get rid of the problem and not tell a soul? Or would you just go get your "free" creamsicle? Or would you ignore the horrible problem all together?

...

BUT WE NEED TO KNOW, WAHH WAHH. Yet NONE of them sign up to serve in the military. Imagine that. And they cry and whine "Oh my, they are killing people" after intentionally watching it ON TV. Eventually, some of these "victims" somehow become a real and powerful voice in the world.

Some of them actually LIKE IT that way. But, for cryin out loud, I DON'T. AND ONE IS ENOUGH, DAMMIT.

Getting protected without even knowing it, then COMPLAINING about it...

it is gonna be hard to drive down the street and not think: Wow, there goes another PUSSY who'll take a fuckin' creamsicle just because it's "cool".

And dhimmitude will be the same fucking way.

I have to laugh at most of ... (Below threshold)
Allen:

I have to laugh at most of you people posting here. Your statements that you KNOW what President elect Obama is going to do. WHAT, do you have a Chrystal ball? If so, what stocks should all of us invest in?

Obama, just like McCain, Bush Jr, Kerry, Clinton, Bush Sr, all said different things to different crowds, just to get the vote. Did they do everything they promised to do? HELL NO they didn't.

And if you listened real close to his acceptance speech, he gave a veiled threat to the Demo's and GOP. The BS is over, we Americans will be taking back our country from the crooks we keep electing year after year.

This isn't about one party being conservative or one being liberal, it's about our country. Do you realize that your tax money will be spent, on cold cash Jefferson retirement that he will continue to be able to draw after he is convicted? Or that the Duke's retirement is being paid while he is in jail, or Ney from Ohio will be able to draw his, same as good old Uncle Ted from AK.

Where is your outrage that these convicted, or soon to be convicted crooks keep their retirement? Let the average American taxpayer, drawing social security get convicted and prison time, they (all of us can)lose their social security, disability from veterans affairs. WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE ABOUT THIS?

For the first time in a long time, we the average American, no matter what party you belong to can make changes for the better for all of us. Write or email your elected crooks, demand the retirements of any elected official, convicted, is GONE. That may help keep their hands out of the cookie jar.

Want certain policies changed, write, email or call your elected crooks. You voted them into office, they work (suppose to) for you. None of them are. So raise hell with them, not other American taxpayers who's views are different from yours.

Reminds me of the MSM's tak... (Below threshold)
Clint:

Reminds me of the MSM's take on the fall of Communism.

It wasn't about evil empires, or the virtues of freedom.

No.

It was big macs, blue jeans, and rock and roll.

Riiiiiight.

I have been reading English... (Below threshold)
YosemiteSam:

I have been reading English history quite a bit lately. It strikes me that the Roman Legions were not very popular, or cool, until they were gone.

There seems to be a recurring thread throughout human history. In the vernacular it goes something like this. Some people, usually hard people, do the heavy lifting and maintain order while other softer people benefit, all the while resenting the hard ones. Once these hard people become soft themselves, or are gone, other even harder people, often called barbarians, replace them. Then the softer people in their anguish lament their loss.

America is tending toward soft. This election is expediting the process. Let us wait just awhile and see how much the Europeans admire cool when the barbarians are at the gate (read their oil supplies, and other necessities of civilized life.) Let us see if the coolness keeps the South Koreans warm when Obama eliminates troops and air commitments that stand betweeen them and North Korea's million man army (and possibly China). Let see how the Oil Sheiks enjoy the cool breeze when Obama reaches an accord with Iran that lets them off the leash. I know the Mullahs think that total control of the Straits of Hormuz would be cool.

Unsophisticated people admire coolness. Adults appreciate strength.

AllenWe will see ... (Below threshold)

Allen

We will see in 79 days. However BHO surrounding himself with hardcore party hacks nothing has changed.

4) Right after we ... (Below threshold)
Cockroach:
4) Right after we invaded Afghanistan (remember, this is where Obama says we really need to be spending all our military might) there were public demonstrations by mostly the same crowds, with flowers, candles, singing and signs denouncing our war outside the same US bases.

Epador,

We still had an abundance of international support after going into Afghanistan. Even the French were part of the Coalition that went into Afghanistan.

It was only after statement such as "You're either with us or against us." Did we begin losing the support of many of our traditional allies.

There were many more comments made to rally the domestic base politically that had the affect of insulting countries that disagreed with Bush over Iraq.

Don't overestimate... (Below threshold)
Cockroach:
Don't overestimate the value of being popular. Doing things to get someone else to 'like' you is rarely a recipe for success.

It's not as much about doing things to get someone to like you than not doing things to get people to hate you. It's called diplomacy. Bush was arrogant and gave speaches that insulted our traditional allies and turned much of the world against us.

Want certain polic... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Want certain policies changed, write, email or call your elected crooks.

Online petitions are great, too.

'Bush was arrogant and gave... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

'Bush was arrogant and gave speaches that insulted our traditional allies and turned much of the world against us."

And the link to said speeches is located where?

Obama will destroy America.... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Obama will destroy America. I will not accept him as my president; I will not support his policies;I will not even pray for him other than that everything he plans or touches becomes a failure.
I will say due to Acorns voter fraud, he stole the elections.
We should start planning impeachment proceedings.
There's alot of fraud about him that can be a charge.
I urge everyone not to accept him as president,
but a good possibility that he defrauded the
people as a natural born citizen.
Could these foolish left wing socialist democrat liberals have elected an ILLEGAL ALIEN
for president?
Have you noticed after the Obama win how wall
street dropped over 400 points? How investors
are selling their stocks because of the coming
Marxist President who wants to spread their
money to others? I hope 2000 point drop after
he takes office. Let's see what this Marxist will do then.

I don't know many ... (Below threshold)
RA:
I don't know many situations where liberals have ever wanted to do something based on principle or integrity.

Ok, you should at least consider not making stupid assertions like this. This is all conjecture, opinion, and nonsense. It does not make you look like the "logical" one here--and that is what you're trying to do, right?

Stating crap like that just makes you look foolish.

Liberalism is purely emotion-based, and therefore something as inane as popularity will mean the world to them.

Ya ya ya. I have heard this lame generalization before. Ok. Liberals are emotional, conservatives are logical. You ripped that off from Jay Tea, right? Or was it Rush? Any other original thoughts?

Whereas I could care less what the rest of the world thinks of us, say, invading Iraq when it's the right thing to do, liberals are begging for approval from the UN and Europe.

What do you feel so strongly about the decision to invade Iraq? And don't give me and weak excuses about not wanting to explain it right now. You brought it up, and made the statement as if it is absolute truth. I would love to hear your rationale.

It's like that pimply kid in middle school who is tolerated by the trendy kids in the cafeteria because he'll do ridiculous things for their amusement, thinking that one of these days he'll finally win their respect. American liberals are the pimply kid, and Europeans are the trendy kids.

Another great show of intellectual force, Cassy. Excellent cartoon version of the evil "other" side. Does this ever get boring for you? Do you really think that everything that is wrong with the world is the LIBERALS' fault? How are you any different than the unhinged liberals who blame everything on "evil" conservatives?

Look, I may disagree with some conservative viewpoints, but I see no need to denigrate them as a whole simple because I have different ideas. I know plenty of conservative people...very smart conservative people. We disagree sometimes, but who cares? I still respect them. I have many friends and acquaintances who are conservatives, and I respect their points of view. The same can be said for my more liberal friends.

The last thing we need is more crap like you're shelling out, Cassy. Your whole post sounds like little more than disappointment and sour grapes.

"U.S. had a 90% un... (Below threshold)
Cockroach:
"U.S. had a 90% unfavorablitity (sic)rating in Turkey..." Where did you find that and how were we "nice" to them before they turned a cold shoulder?

According to a Pew Research Poll the figure was 85% unfavorability in 2003. Note that it dropped considerably that year.

Here's another article that supports my basic argument. Although it is not my original source. I initially read the 90% unfavorabity back in 2003 but can not remember exactly where.

As far as being "nice", it's more about being diplomatic and not insulting countries when giving political speeches to rally your base.

And do note that Turkey is a democracy and had been considered a U.S. ally.

Ref #41. The majority of Am... (Below threshold)
Allen:

Ref #41. The majority of Americans elected an ILLEGAL ALIEN? Man, you need some serious cranial/rectum surgery.

And yes, the stock market dropped. Guess what, the same people that sold their stock will, in a couple of days or so buy it at a lower price. Then the market will go back up, and those people laugh all the way to the bank while people like you try and point fingers at something you know nothing about.

I did the samething Monday, liquidated a bunch of stock, and plan on buy different stock, at lower prices. Yep, I was one of the whole bunch of people who did this. Granted I don't enjoy the same amount of stock the rich have, but I have over the years accumulated enough to make a very good gain in what I did.

How about you, have you tried to take advantage of the stock market? And I only have to pay 15% on capital gains. But I will realize one hell of a lot more wealth by doing what I did. Let him raise the capital gains tax, I will have already gained twice, if not more, in what ever the new capital gains tax may be.

And if I have any capital losses, I can deduct that off my taxes. So it is gain, gain, gain. You really need some investment advice, don't you?

And if the market drops more, hell I will just sell the new stocks, declare a capital loss, wait a couple of days, buy it back at a lower price, and any capital gains I make will be off set by the capital lose. Can you understand how people can make money when the market is self correcting? I can, and I do. I just don't have the millions invested that some people do. However I do make the same return they do, just a lower amount because of the money I have invested.

Hurry and have your surgery and you can also make money on the stock market, instead of running your mouth off about something you know very little about.

Remember with libe... (Below threshold)
James H:
Remember with liberals it's all about EVERYONE ELSE'S opinion, and by everyone else I mean everyone else but....Americans.

If a 21-year-old Austrian girl, particularly an attractive 21-year-old Austrian girl, wishes to kiss me for being an American, I will certainly value her opinion very, VERY highly.

So, who are all the Black l... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

So, who are all the Black leaders of Europe? Since they weren't all racist like bad ol' America, and all.

Cockroach~And of c... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Cockroach~

And of course you got the general opinion from a poll, yet they still share the "same concerns".

Money of course plays a part. Turkey was offered over $10bn in aid and soft loans last time round. There is an unspoken understanding that the money is still there.

From the article you posted. It's always about the money. And who said they liked the U.S. or "favored" the U.S. that much to begin with?

Letting the "soft" people d... (Below threshold)
Boots:

Letting the "soft" people described above (Europeans) provide for their own defense would be one way for Barney Franks 25% cut in the U.S. defense budget to be implemented.

At which point Europeans would have to pony up for their own defense. Heard a stat on the radio the other day, 20% of Swedish workers don't actually work, they are on permanent disability. That's a lot of people expecting others to "pay their gas and mortgage".

If we start cutting U.S. defense expenditures in ways that make Europeans get up off the couch and start working again, will they still like us?

I have been name called f... (Below threshold)
mf:

I have been name called for honestly congratulating
folks that their candidate won. It is hard for me to believe people are so ugly and hateful still.
Guess their personalities wont change over a day.
Not all O votes are that way.
I have told my friends I support 'our' new President.

So .... sore 'winners' get rid of your predjudces, get real and start working towards making this an even better country.

Darren from darkadapted.blo... (Below threshold)
Tim:

Darren from darkadapted.blogspot.com -

"Hey, the Europeans paid good money to get Obama elected.

If they want to be happy, I say we let 'em.

Me personally, I would be happy if they would cough up another 1% of GDP for defense, and give the Canadians and Dutch a break from the heavy lifting in Afghanistan."

Please tell me that you do in fact realize that the Dutch are an EU member located in continental Europe??

Um, yes Tim, I'm rather goo... (Below threshold)

Um, yes Tim, I'm rather good at geography.

The NATO countries will not meet their troop commitments. When they do, their troops are often prevented from actually fighting. There are a few (named) exceptions.




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