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Include Me Out

Well, that didn't take long.

On a talk show yesterday, I heard the host say that he was about to order a bunch of "Don't Blame Me -- I Voted For McCain" bumper stickers to give out.

I have also heard people proclaiming that "Obama isn't MY president."

Apparently there's already a FaceBook group dedicated to impeaching Obama already. (With the Democrats holding both Houses of Congress AND Joe Biden waiting in the wings, that one won't go far.)

And I can't wait to see the first "1/20/2013" bumper sticker or "freedom countdown clock."

I'll pass on all that.

On January 20, 2001, George W. Bush became my president.

Pending unforeseen circumstances, he will remain my president until January 20, 2009.

At which point, pending unforeseen circumstances, Barack Obama will become my president.

And, pending unforeseen circumstances, he will remain my president until at least January 20, 2013.

Over the next four years, I anticipate criticizing him when I think he is wrong, and praising him when I think he is right.

I also anticipate doing far more of the former than the latter.

In 2010, I fully anticipate voting against whoever he endorses. Further, in 2012, I will most likely vote for whoever challenges him.

Pending unforeseen circumstances, of course.

But he will be, legally and officially, the president of the United States. As a loyal and proud citizen of the United States, I feel that nothing less is my duty.

After all, as we've been reminded so many times over the past years, "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." And nobody damned well better not question MY patriotism when I point out how many of the new president's policies are wrong-headed, foolish, ruinous, and downright dangerous.

Because I expect I'll be doing that a LOT.

Pending unforeseen circumstances, of course.


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What happened on Tuesday wa... (Below threshold)
ptg:

What happened on Tuesday was a Marxist coup. I'm glad you are comfortable shoehorning it into seeming to be just another election. Time will tell, but I think you will change your tune before the next presidential election. Your old civics book rules are going out the window.

Obama isn't MY pre... (Below threshold)
Obama isn't MY president.
...and Hillbilly boy wasn't my president either.
Reagan, H.W. Bush, Clinton,... (Below threshold)

Reagan, H.W. Bush, Clinton, W. Bush, were all my Presidents and my Commanders in Chief. I'm retired from the AF now. In January, Barak Obama will, like it or not, be my President.

The more people on the far right and others go into full Obama Derangement Syndrome, the more I'm leaning away from them. They're convincing me all right, they're convincing me that they're as bad or worse as those of the far left who suffered from BSD.

I say worse because I keep expecting better, more grownup behavior from the right than the left and I've come to the conclusion that the extreme branches of both sides are more concerned about pushing THEIR agenda through than they are in doing anything constructive for the country. I consider both of those extremes coming awfully close to what, in any other era, would be called treasonous behavior.

I will once again support my President. He was elected by enough of a margin that fraud doesn't begin to explain it. We voted, he won. Let's see what he's got.

There are several Facebook ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

There are several Facebook groups right now, and this impeachment site was up before the election. Of course you have plenty of lunatics already claiming that the election was a coup by "Radical Islamists in a coalition with Communists," uber-wingnut Pamela Geller does her patriotic duty:

For my own part I do not recognize Obama as my President, nor will I refer to him as such. He has no legal right to serve in office nor has he won a legal election. Nor do his cronies have any right to serve in any position they are appointed to.

Kim is being pretty weak here with her "The Commies are coming!" proclamations of doom, but she'll surely ramp it up as time goes on.

You thought BDS was bad? You ain't seen nothing.

The right seems like it's becoming quickly consumed by lunatic reactionary conspiracy-theorists, and luminaries like the brain trust at Redstate and Michelle Malkin are quickly organizing a purge of all Republicans who criticized the great and holy savior Palin.

There are some reasonable conservatives who are trying to be thoughtful about what this election means and what the movement should do next, like John Henke:

The problem is not Republican politicians, although many Republicans politicians are a problem. The problem is not with the basic ideals of limited government and personal freedom, either. The problem is a movement that plays small-ball and cedes responsibility for infrastructure to business interests, leadership that rewards those who make friends rather than waves, an entrenched Party and Movement support system that mostly supports itself, an echo chamber that has rotted our intellect, a grassroots that is ill-equipped to shape the Republican Party, and a Republican Party that has replaced strategy with tactics, substance with marketing.

These problems can be fixed, but the fix is not cosmetic. The rot is deep. We do not need reformation of the Republican Party; we need transformation of the Republican Party. That is going to require fresh blood, new ideas, new infrastructure...and perhaps more than a little time in the wilderness.

You have earned the time you will spend wandering in the wildnerness. The land on the other side is not a promised land. It will have to be earned, too.

I think the right will need a lot of time in the wilderness before they realize how right Henke is, if the reaction to the election so far is anything to go on.

Here's a compass.</p... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Here's a compass.

I still have my Clinton-era... (Below threshold)

I still have my Clinton-era "Charlton Heston is MY President" T-shirt, but I won't be pulling it out of the drawer.

I'll support him grudgingly when he does the right thing, castigate him mercilessly when he does the wrong thing, and harangue my representative and Senators to hold the line.

I survived Clinton and Carter...I can survive this guy.

Obama may be my President. But Rahm Emmanuel is NOT my Chief of Staff. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

Bah. <a href="http://www.k... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Bah. Here.

Good on you, JT.... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Good on you, JT.

BHO will be President of th... (Below threshold)

BHO will be President of the USA. He will be my president because as an American he will be answerable to the American Public.

He will be the most inept a... (Below threshold)
Necromancer Author Profile Page:

He will be the most inept and incompetent whatever we have ever had in the WH.The thing that galls me is MY USMC will have to honor the position.I do not have to even admit that he is the coc.And combine all of this with the inept congress and things will be very bad.

Jay Tea -- Of cour... (Below threshold)
pennywit:

Jay Tea --

Of course I won't question your patriotism. I'll just let you know whenever you're wrong. Which will be most of the time.

But then again, when have I done anything different?

--|PW|--

Your patriotism won't be qu... (Below threshold)

Your patriotism won't be questioned when you dissent. You will be called a racist and attacked as an enemy of "progress."
How dare you stand in the way of the Will Of The People? And where is Leni Reifenstahl when she's needed?

Well put.... (Below threshold)
martyredcars:

Well put.

Does anyone think there rea... (Below threshold)
me:

Does anyone think there really ever will be another legitimate election? Oh and he is not my president.

I think the right ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
I think the right will need a lot of time in the wilderness before they realize how right Henke is, if the reaction to the election so far is anything to go on.

No doubt that process has started, but it may not have time to finish. I expect circumstances will intervene and the democrats won't do any better than the republicans did.

The USSR (formerly Russia) has it's eye on taking back many of it's satellite nations at a time when the U.S. will be decimating it's defense budget to pay for all the free stuff Obama promised. How will it look if under Bush millions were set free of tyranny and under Obama millions slip back into tyranny? Maybe no one cares as long as they get their tax break, but electing Obama would seem like a big mistake to many voters.

Then there's the economy. It seems democrats are going to test the theory that a government can tax it's way into a strong economy. They are even talking about converting 401(k) savings into ordinary savings by taxing the contributions and earnings. Yes, they'll get trillions of dollars in tax revenues if they make people pay income tax on their 401(k) balance all at once, but they will also pull that money out of the capital markets. That will make the subprime mess look like a minor glitch in the markets. It will also cost democrats dearly in the election following such a change.

You see, it's not all about republicans changing their ways to regain power, it's also about democrats delivering on their promises in order to keep power. The old saying that people don't vote for a candidate they vote against a candidate is often true. It's something democrats need to remember or they will be out of power in short order.

I have accepted O.<... (Below threshold)
mf:

I have accepted O.

The question regarding a legitimate election:
I really feel the mainstream biased media needs to be held accountable. I'm not talking about the local channels I am talking the big ones. They forced Clinton down American's throats and now Obama.
They should report the news unbiased if they want to be 'fair'.
And they should let the citizens choose what they want to listen to including radio stations.

Pending unforeseen circumst... (Below threshold)
ijosha:

Pending unforeseen circumstances, of course.

if you read nothing else...... (Below threshold)

if you read nothing else...READ THIS...and pass it along. It is THE most cogent and thoughtful article I have read in a long time...and the most terrifying!

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/absentee/2008/nov/06/open-thread-surviving-the-democrats/

oops...WRONG LINK...this is... (Below threshold)

oops...WRONG LINK...this is the link I meant

http://spectator.org/archives/2008/11/06/saul-alinsky-takes-the-white-h

read THIS ONE!!!!

Both sides are idiotic. The... (Below threshold)
Captain America:

Both sides are idiotic. The "Obama is not my President" and the "Obama is my president" is really dumb.

Sure, technically Obama is the president. But I am in the loyal opposition and can't wait to replace him in four years.

Not my President.P... (Below threshold)
Mycroft:

Not my President.

Prediction #1:

William Jefferson Clinton has a distinction that not all are familiar with. He was the FIRST president to so dishonor the office that the Boy Scouts of America - BY POPULAR DEMAND - removed his signature from the certificates issued to Eagle Scouts.

I fully expect Obama to be the second one, if he survives long enough.

Prediction #2:

Obama will not complete his term of office. And I think impeachment would be the least of his worries, not withstanding how much most of those on the right would enjoy it.

I survived Carter (while in the military), and I barely survived Clinton. I shall survive Obama.

On the other hand, if Pelosi, et all, does pass a Universal Health Care Package, I might just file attempted murder charges against her and her cronies.

Well said. We have a tradit... (Below threshold)
ken:

Well said. We have a tradition of the peaceful transition of power that is unique in the world. The election process may not be perfect - what human-based system is - but we have done it for over 200 years.

I look forward to the inauguration of Barrack Obama as our next President. While I don't agree with his policy directions, he IS my President.

Our country is based on the free-expression of ideas, the rule of law, and an informed populist. Conservatives CAN WIN in the arena of ideas.

Get off your butts and participate.

And it only took 21 posts f... (Below threshold)
mantis:

And it only took 21 posts for an assassination fantasy to pop up.

mantis:And it onl... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

mantis:
And it only took 21 posts for an assassination fantasy to pop up.

Maybe they'll make a movie about it and it'll show at the Cannes Film Festival....

Maybe they'll make a mov... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Maybe they'll make a movie about it and it'll show at the Cannes Film Festival....

Oh, I'm sure we'll hear far, far more assassination fantasies about Obama than we did about Bush. They've already started and he hasn't even taken office.

Btw, the people who made that movie? British. And it still has never played in US theaters. MyCroft's an American (presumably).

I will not accept him as my... (Below threshold)
Bamaman:

I will not accept him as my president until the following has happened.

A) Every last dime of his campaign contributions are made fully public and he is able to prove that there was not a mas influx of illegal money knowingly accepted by his campaign.

B) Obama calls for investigation of and insists on prosecution of all Ohio officals who illegally invaded Joe W's personal information.

C) Obama releases for full public observation all the documents he has been keeping hidden from public scrutiny, specifically documents that every last presidential candidate in history has made readily available.

Until we can be sure the election has been run fairly and legally, I do not respect the results. The ball is in Obama's court, he can come clean and show us things were above board, and unite this country behind him. I would then accept him. If he continues to hide information and act dishonestly, he will divide this country and I will further lose respect for him.

His call. Will he unite, or divide?

Yes Republicans are soooo a... (Below threshold)
Kathy:

Yes Republicans are soooo above the fray.

This is the attitude that put us in the wilderness.

Queen of Scarsbury Rules, you know.

Wonder if you'll still feel that way when Obama begins his conscription of middle and high school children into his Civilian Corps as he said he would (they'll join or lose funding)?

Or when gas is $9/gal so that Obama can 'use prices to change behavior'? Just guess what that will do to the cost of food... Apparently eating is another habit we'll have to change...

Or when energy costs are so high people begin freezing to death - coal accounts for 49% of our energy - or did you miss the part where Obama is all about running coal energy plants out of business?

Or perhaps you've missed the collapse of the Stock Market - 900 pts in two days? Tax the rich and they'll go somewhere else, leaving the middle class to be redesignated 'rich'.

Or perhaps you'll like unlimited immigration - making us a nation of very poor people - most on the dole?

Obama may be your president, but he is not mine. Don't blame me, I voted for McCain.

On the bright side, I don't have to spend the next four years wandering what McCain is going to do to stab his own party in the heart. He did that on Nov. 4.


You can just opt in and out... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

You can just opt in and out of citizenship like that by throwing a tantrum and being a crybaby? What a democracy!

mantis:Btw, the p... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

mantis:
Btw, the people who made that movie? British. And it still has never played in US theaters. MyCroft's an American (presumably).

Oh...well as long as it was foreign nationals that made a movie about the assassination of the U.S. President, I guess it's okay.

Oh...well as long as it ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Oh...well as long as it was foreign nationals that made a movie about the assassination of the U.S. President, I guess it's okay.

If you say so.

Amen. Include me out, too.<... (Below threshold)

Amen. Include me out, too.

Any Republican who plasters their car with bumper stickers or starts an idiotic web site like the ones mentioned, is really no better and no less of a kook than any moonbat liberal whose done.

Besides, as Republicans you should know that plastering stickers all over your car lowers its re-sale value. And Republicans tend to drive nicer cars, so why f-them up with stickers?

So don't be a doofus and leave the doofus behavior to masters of doofus behavior: liberals.

Oh, and he IS your president whether you like or not. Or do you really want to sound like some moonbat liberal has for the last 8 years on that front, too?

Yeah, didn't think so.

(Here come the negative votes....)

Revisionist history has als... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Revisionist history has also started by mantis. Right, BDS was not too bad. They were "politely" disagreeable, huh? That shows what a f**koff you are.

Right, BDS was not too b... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Right, BDS was not too bad.

Where did I say BDS wasn't too bad, dipshit?

JT,I wouldn't worr... (Below threshold)
kbiel Author Profile Page:

JT,

I wouldn't worry too much about it. There will be a few loud-mouth louts on the right side for the next 4 years, but most conservatives/republicans/non-liberals will climb down off the ledge and act normal again.h

Hell, I briefly thought to myself, "I'm going to treat Obama just like they did Bush." But it didn't take me long to run through the list of things the liberals said about Bush and reject them all. I still firmly believe, despite a moment of panic induced insanity, that conservatives are decent, well-mannered people. It's part of the philosophy. If you want government out of the way, you have to be willing to govern your own behavior.

You can just opt in and ... (Below threshold)

You can just opt in and out of citizenship like that by throwing a tantrum and being a crybaby? What a democracy!

Yeah, sort of like liberals did in 2000 and 2004 when they repeatedly threatened to move to Canada.

As is typical of liberals, 99% didn't keep that promise, damn it.

Anyway, you can keep the other 1%, hyperbolist.

Who said anything about fan... (Below threshold)
Mycroft:

Who said anything about fantasies? THREE attempts against Obama have ALREADY been broken up by the Secret Service. And those are the ones we know about. It doesn't take much imagination to think that another one might succeed.

And you can tell I am an American, as I talked about serving while that "doofus" President Carter was in office.

Predicting the actions of others is not wanting something to happen.

Who said anything about ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Who said anything about fantasies?

I did.

And you can tell I am an American, as I talked about serving while that "doofus" President Carter was in office.

If you're telling the truth, that is. This is the internet after all; we have no way of knowing if what anonymous people say about themselves is true.

Predicting the actions of others is not wanting something to happen.

The coyness of your prediction suggests a certain hopefulness, but maybe I'm wrong. Do tell, how do you feel about your predicted assassination of our next president?

As I have stated in other b... (Below threshold)
Codekeyguy Author Profile Page:

As I have stated in other blog comments: You salute the uniform, not the man. In the military, even if the officer is a total idiot/schmuck/nutcase it is the rank that gets the respect. Same with Obama. He may be a socialist, but he is my president for the next 4 years.
This doean't mean that I won't indulge in "respectful opposition", or flat out bitchin'!!!

I don't have to sp... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
I don't have to spend the next four years wandering what McCain is going to do to stab his own party in the heart.

It's the dem's turn, only this time it will be the other way around. As far as what started on Tuesday, no one will be immune to the fallout.

"I think the right will ... (Below threshold)

"I think the right will need a lot of time in the wilderness before they realize how right Henke is, if the reaction to the election so far is anything to go on."

It's broad-brush statements like that that get my ire up. If you want to criticize the Republican Party, as Henke did, fine. He made a clear distinction, and for the record, I think he's right. But to simply add your own commentary and equate "the right" to Republicans is just a dig.

I've never been a member of any party. I lean to the right in a general sense, but there are individaul issues I lean the other way on. Like Jay, when it comes time to vote I pick the person who I think best represents my interests and my values. Sometimes that's even been a Democrat.

The problem with the Republican Party is that over the years, the Democrat party's leadership has swung further left and the Republicans thought the answer to countering it was to swing farther right socially and more left economically - when they should have simply cleaved to the same basic principles and ideals they always had.

Yes, they're a mess, but I'm in no wilderness simply because I'm to the right. I know right where I stand. And it's not with either party. Not then, not now and not likely in the future.

Do tell, how do you feel... (Below threshold)

Do tell, how do you feel about your predicted assassination of our next president?

I'll jump in here....

I find it sick and disgusting and far, far too horrible of a thing for reasonable and sane people to remotely contemplate or ponder. If, God forbid, it did happen it would be a horribly, horribly dark period for America (think: 9/11 horrible....probably worse.)

The whole thought literally leaves me queasy....

"The coyness of your predic... (Below threshold)
Mycroft:

"The coyness of your prediction suggests a certain hopefulness, but maybe I'm wrong. Do tell, how do you feel about your predicted assassination of our next president?

38. Posted by mantis | November 6, 2008 4:40 PM"

Well, I think about it several ways. Who does that leave in charge? Biden.

Besides, I also wonder if he will even last long enough to be sworn in. And I have no idea what the law does then.

Exactly, Peter F. It would... (Below threshold)

Exactly, Peter F. It would tear this country apart. Aside from murdering another person because of race or politics or whatever kook reason is given, that is something I do NOT want to happen.

I don't even want to think about it.

I don't think Mycroft was p... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

I don't think Mycroft was pondering murder @ #21, mantis. I think he was suggesting that universal health care will result in the death of a bunch of innocent people and that he thinks they should be held legally responsible. (Silly, especially when one considers how many innocent people die in wars, famines, etc. that are directly/indirectly the fault of governments, but not the stupidest thing I've ever read.)

Of course, if he was fantasising about an assassination, he's free to correct me.

Sorry, but I already made o... (Below threshold)
Mac:

Sorry, but I already made one of them protest things.

In July of 2007.

It's broad-brush stateme... (Below threshold)
mantis:

It's broad-brush statements like that that get my ire up. If you want to criticize the Republican Party, as Henke did, fine. He made a clear distinction, and for the record, I think he's right. But to simply add your own commentary and equate "the right" to Republicans is just a dig.

You're correct. I said "the right" when I should have said the Republican Party.

I've never been a member of any party. I lean to the right in a general sense, but there are individaul issues I lean the other way on. Like Jay, when it comes time to vote I pick the person who I think best represents my interests and my values. Sometimes that's even been a Democrat.

I've also never joined a party, and vote the person, not the party. I voted for the Republican candidate for my district again this year. He lost in a landslide, as my district is deep blue, but no way am I ever going to vote for Moonie-loving, terrorist travel-funded Danny Davis. Only reasonable moderate Republicans even try to run here, and I'm happy to lend them my support.

And don't get me wrong, folks, I am not happy with one-party rule. I wish there was someway this election could have ended with Obama in the White House but with Republicans controlling one house in Congress, but it just wasn't in the cards.

I real conservatism, and I like honest conservatives. The Republican party doesn't seem to care about conservatism or much of anything except culture war bullshit and slogans. If and when they get over it and get back to being serious about governance, hell, they might even get most of my votes. I just don't see that happening anytime soon.

Oh, I just read his comment... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Oh, I just read his comment @ #42 and I regret attempting to interpret his original comment charitably.

Mycroft, there is only one moral response to "How do you feel about your predicted assassination of the next President?"

It is not the following:

Well, I think about it several ways. Who does that leave in charge? Biden.

You do not do a cost-benefit analysis when it comes to an assassination. You simply say "It is wrong to murder in cold blood." It would be wrong--FULL STOP--for someone to murder Obama, and it would be wrong--FULL STOP--to do it to a piece of shit like Hugo Chavez. It. Is. Wrong.

What the f*ck is it with some conservatives who bleat about the moral relativity of liberals while simultaneously spouting it out the other side of their mouths?

Man, do I ever hope Barack ... (Below threshold)

Man, do I ever hope Barack Obama is NOT attacked.

JFK was a tax-cutting, commie-hating, defense hawk Democrat (there used to be such things). He was assassinated and his "legacy" was used to push the Great Society programs -- things he may have never supported were he around to object.

Dallas was called the "City of Hate", despite the fact that JFK was murdered by a member of the extreme political left. I'm not sure how else you would characterize someone who had previously defected to the USSR, but "John Bircher" does not spring to mind.

Good Lord, let Barack Obama fail under the ponderousness of his own silly ideas and slink off the national stage under his own power. Stay the hell away from him, anyone with nefarious plans, because whatever follows from our government with the shade of Barack Obama lead-blocking will be far worse than anything the man can pass in his natural lifetime. If you think the worship of him is annoying now, when he's a fallible human being, you'll only be more annoyed something happens and he becomes a symbol.

Which would you prefer: a youth vote that carries the symbol of progressivism in their hearts for the rest of their life and are swept by emotion and loss away from conservatism forever, or a bunch of kids who've learned from bitter experience not to believe the hype? THINK!

Basically, he's Obi-Wan. Strike him down and he will become more powerful than you can possible imagine. Don't even TALK about going there.

And besides, think it through. President. Joe. Biden.

Is there anyone that believes that would be an improvement? The Confabulator-In-Chief?

Hyperbolist,Obama ... (Below threshold)

Hyperbolist,

Obama will be under as much threat from the disappointed left as people believe him to be from the racist right.

Remember who shot JFK.

I don't think we should EVER assassinate the President, under any circumstances. Peaceful transition of power is yet another part of American Exceptionalism that I am happy to preserve.

No, I don't remember who sh... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

No, I don't remember who shot JFK, Darren. Did they ever figure that one out to the satisfaction of all people privy to the facts? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but please, that one has hardly been put to bed.

As for America being "exceptional" in that it enjoys a peaceful transfer of power, um, there are an awful lot of countries that have that same tradition (at least in their modern state--it makes no sense to compare America to 11th century England, for instance). Korea, Japan, Canada, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Netherlands... Perhaps I don't understand what you mean by "Exceptionalism" in this instance, but it hardly seems exceptional to me. Actually, it seems precisely the sort of thing that citizens of a functioning democracy ought to be able to take for granted.

Well.. JAY has writt... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

Well..
JAY has written a post that pretty much sums up how I feel about this election outcome.

An approach I use is to look at the country as one BIG BUS..

GW, Iraq, and the economy all have the BUS in the public's eye, running like crap and going the wrong way.
The USA is still CENTER RIGHT ideologically, but has coughed up a fur ball while choking on the terrible BUS ride. Hence Barry WINS with Hope & Change.....

Like it or NOT Barry is our President!!! Let's toss him the keys, sit back and let him drive the BUS for a while.......

Now if he turns hard left towards going off a cliff, then we'll have to DEAL with that in some fashion..

Unless/Until then, sit back grab the beverage of your choice and BUCKLE UP....and let's wish him the best, because he's gonna NEED it.
China, Iran, Russia, Al-Qaeda, the economy..etc.

No law-abiding citizen woul... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

No law-abiding citizen would condone anyone even suggesting assassination. Anyone even joking about it around me will be reported to the FBI. I don't care what cause anyone cites, I consider them a criminal and a terrorist if they threaten any public official's life.

"The Republican party do... (Below threshold)

"The Republican party doesn't seem to care about conservatism or much of anything except culture war bullshit and slogans."

I agree. They have simply lost their way. But the Democratic Party is just as bad, if not worse. Yeah, they're speaking with one unified voice, but listen to what they're saying.

I've got a great idea.....l... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

I've got a great idea.....let's treat Obama the same way the libs treat Bush.

Ahhhh sorry. I guess that'd be racist or JUST NOT FAIR. lolol

We'll see how snarky the libs on this site are in 24 months. I got a sneaking hunch many of them don't remember the Jimmah "Rabbit slayer" Caatah years. Sounds like Acchhmadithejob, otherwise known as the "Midget of Mecca" remembers those wonderful years AND is sending his personal congratulations to our new Messiah-in-Chief.

Sounds like Putin's licking his chops as well putting a move on the Russian constitution.

Reminds me of being in the bay area in the late 70's and hearing G. Gordon Liddy being interviewed on KNEW radio. When referring to Carter's naive foreign policy Liddy commented "with respect to the Soviet Union and Iran, the president seems to believe they're Charley the Tuna. I'm here to tell you they're Jaws."

hyperbolist,<blockquo... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

hyperbolist,

Perhaps I don't understand what you mean by "Exceptionalism" in this instance, but it hardly seems exceptional to me.

The difference is that we are a free and armed people while none of the nations you cite can make that claim. By 2012 that might not be the case given the left's hatred of an armed populace.

Jay, good post. I also agre... (Below threshold)
Wanderlust:

Jay, good post. I also agree with your sentiments.

Those who throw hissy-fits and make statements like, "he's not MY president" need to grow up. IMHO, the mark of maturity is when one can respect the position regardless of the person who holds it.

Naming the most technologically advanced SEAL submarine (SSN-23) after the President least likely to have even dreamed of actually using it? Now that's another story...SIGH

I'm not a conspiracy the... (Below threshold)

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but please, that one has hardly been put to bed.

Methinks you doth protest too much.

Having driven through Dealy Plaza myself, LHO could have leaned out the sixth floor window and chunked a milk bottle on Kennedy's head. There is no real evidence that anyone other than Lee Harvey pulled that one off, Oliver Stone or not. JFK is a great movie but it's also a towering work of fiction.

It's the idea that some insignificant loser with a mail-order rifle could destroy something as wonderful as "Camelot" that sticks in people's craw -- but it happened.

I'm agin' it. If you have to do something like that, you don't believe in the power of your ideas to convince.

"I'm not a conspiracy th... (Below threshold)

"I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but please, that one has hardly been put to bed."

Yes. It has.

Dallas was called the "C... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Dallas was called the "City of Hate", despite the fact that JFK was murdered by a member of the extreme political left.

Curiously, it was a younger anchor who helped smear Dallas by falsely reporting that Dallas school children cheered when hearing the news that JFK was shot - the young reporters name was Dan Rather.

Yes, Obama will be my Presi... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Yes, Obama will be my President come nexr January. That's how it works. I hope and pray that he does good and right things.

I also don't think, even with the left gaining more political power, that they will go too far, or even far at all really, at least not right away. I could be wrong, but I think they learned in '92 when they began their last journey through "the wilderness". You know-- the one everyone says the Republicans are on now.

Now, I was talking about the Democrats domestic agenda. The reaction of other parts of the world may not be so moderate. But I hope and pray I'm wrong about that.

"An approach I use is to lo... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"An approach I use is to look at the country as one BIG BUS.."

Or, perhaps the country thrown under the "BIG BUS".

He will be occupying the Of... (Below threshold)
GM Cassel AMH1(AW) USN RET:

He will be occupying the Office of President of The United States. But this old retired seadog will give him no support of any kind except that required by current law. Anything that useless shitstain comes up with will get a barrage of flak via the written word. Not to mention the 66 million or so of my former countrymen who betrayed all of us who have served and are serving.
For 20 years, I served the Office, not the man. This was taught to me by a very old and crusty Chief Petty Officer. I took it to heart back then. Now that I am long retired from active service, I don't have to. And I no longer owe anyone, anything, anymore. That bill is settled up by this: United States Navy, Retired(September 29, 1973 to September 30, 1993) 6 Presidents.
I say this because barack obama is an avowed communist, in word and deed. No more, No less.

I refuse to act like... (Below threshold)
Larry:


I refuse to act like a lunatic from dailykos or moveon.

Barack Obama is the President of the United States, elected far and square. I honor the office.

If he does something right, I will applaud. If he does something I consider against the interest of the US, I will say so. And I will vote for someone else in 2012.

Meantime, you could put a gun to my head and I would not dishonor myself by throwing garbage at the President.

Great Post Jay. I share your view.

Jay said:"I'll... (Below threshold)
Paul_In_Houston:

Jay said:
"I'll pass on all that.

On January 20, 2001, George W. Bush became my president.

Pending unforeseen circumstances, he will remain my president until January 20, 2009.

At which point, pending unforeseen circumstances, Barack Obama will become my president.

And, pending unforeseen circumstances, he will remain my president until at least January 20, 2013."

Jay, I didn't want him, didn't vote for him. but I'm in total agreement with you here.

Although Ann Coultier suggested we give to him exactly the same respect and support that Bush got from the democrats, I hope to God that we're more grown up than that.

If the other side behaves like 14-year olds, that does not compel us to be equally stupid. Some of us have to be the grown-ups here.

Frank Martin ( http://varifrank.com ) replied to a commenter who was whining about the outcome,

"Democracy isnt about getting your way, its about being asked. We got asked and a majority of people in the country thought that something else would be better.

Let us all go forth together."

For the moment, nothing further needs saying.

I am almost 60 years old an... (Below threshold)
Judith:

I am almost 60 years old and this is the first president I have seen that spent most of his adult life, wrote books professing, and ran on a platform of complete disdain for my country and my Constitution. With his election I can only assume that the people who elected him also detest my country. So not only do I find it difficult to call him my president, I can't even call this my country anymore because I do not recognize it. For me the USA was that shining city on the hill. The dems convention, and obama's rhetoric say it is some filthy pit, an abomination on the earth. I am lost.

Jay, would <a href="http://... (Below threshold)
JimK:

Jay, would these stickers be better? ;)

I'm not going to play that he's not my president nonsense either...but I sorta did want to vote for Fred. ;)

I'm not happy about it. But... (Below threshold)
Rick13:

I'm not happy about it. But, he is my President and Commander in Chief. I could never stand seeing those kinds of tshirts and bumper stickers. I wont be displaying that kind of anti-American attitude.

#67 -- "Not my President" c... (Below threshold)
Sean P:

#67 -- "Not my President" crosses the line, but I don't see what's so bad about a "Don't blame me, I voted for..." or "Is it 2012 yet?" sticker. Though it wouldn't hurt to wait for Obama to actually, you know, be sworn in as President first.

Conservatives are afraid to... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Conservatives are afraid to have Passion for something. You don't have to become a dick. But getting charged up isn't wrong either.

But if keeping a level head is more important than your beliefs, don't cry when people walk all over them.

Though it wouldn't... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Though it wouldn't hurt to wait for Obama to actually, you know, be sworn in as President first.

Sean, I think you are right in line with several million American minds right now.

As a Libertarian, I frequen... (Below threshold)
kevino:

As a Libertarian, I frequently have to "discuss" events and policy and ideas with liberals friends and conservative friends. I have observed that Republicans and conservatives - as a group:

1. Have moral, ethical, and legal standards that Democrats and liberals - as a group - do not. (It hurt a lot of the GOP to push for the impeachment of President Nixon, but they did it because it was the right thing to do.)
2. They make better, stronger arguments. They are frequently better informed, make fewer (if any) logic errors, and can express their ideas clearly.
3. They are much less likely to resort to personal insults and bad language to try to make a point (or run from an argument that is going against them).
4. They act more like adults. In particular, they accept the consequences of their actions.

Conservatives and Republicans have a lot to be proud of. The GOP got defeated. To build a first class organization the group must embrace the Truth. They must understand - in as much detail as possible - Life as it truly is. And one of those basic facts is this: Senator Obama is the President-Elect of the United States. If you're a Republican, that may be an unpleasant fact, but it is a fact.

If you hold true to your principles and honor the traditions of this country, then you also must give that person the respect that they are due.

I think that conservatives are correct on economic issues, some social issues, and many foreign policy ideas. Democrats in general - and this group of Democrats in particular - come to power with a hideous collection of stupid, discredited ideas. They will now - without guidance from the GOP - attempt to put together a program. I think that they will fail.

The American people should have asked tougher questions and demanded more from the candidates. They didn't. They elected a President based on the word, "Change", but they didn't have a serious discussion about what, when, and how. They failed to consider the traditions and importance of the American system. This election was a failure of civics.

I think that they will learn an important lesson.

McCain received less votes ... (Below threshold)
rls Author Profile Page:

McCain received less votes than Kerry did in 2004. Obama received less votes than Bush did in 2004. This is still a center/right country. We just need a principled candidate to run on the right.

We don't need to try to win the votes on the left/center...we just need to change their minds and have them move over. Obama and the Dem controlled Congress is going to help do that. However we do not need to demonize the very people we are hoping to convince.

kevinoThank you. ... (Below threshold)
Larry:

kevino

Thank you.

I have been struggling for a couple of days to better define an observation of mine that stired up at least one of the smarter Liberals who like to post here.

My post said that conservatives are mostly right, while Liberals are mostly righteous.

After reading your comments, I was triggered to realize what I was really trying to say;

Conservatives attempt (mostly) to define their beliefs based on how things are. Liberals (mostly) seem more inclined to define their beliefs on how things ought to be. One tries to be right and the other is clearly righteous.

Another way of putting it is to compare an emotional based world view against a world view based on at least an attempt to be realistic.

Yea, there are fruitcakes on both sides. It just seems to me that there are more Peggy Joseph's on the Liberal side than the Republican.

Jaytea,Thanks for ... (Below threshold)
Cavius:

Jaytea,

Thanks for taking time out from long essays (I liked your short pithy commentary better) for this well placed commentary.

The high road is the right road. I thought the same thoughts you shared in your post. We are the republic (federal republic, not democracy, but that's another topic) and, even if we opposed, the republic selected the leader.

We have to rise above the left's tactics. Ideas will win.

Not that I'm happy about the electoral result, but my allegiance is to my country. And the country has a new president.

The big problem with the "D... (Below threshold)
dooz:

The big problem with the "Don't blame me..." stickers is that, we already know from the campaign, these will not be tolerated by those who preach to us about tolerance. Obama can't be criticized but it be called racist.

See how the leftists who've been posting here are still full of harangue and venom (but still empty of logical, factual argument), even after their guy has won?

I'm willing to wait and see what will actually happen, but meanwhile I'm thinking about starting a pool on the date Obama will dispense with the Constitution and declare himself president for life. (If I mysteriously disappear, you'll know the winner of the pool will be determined soon thereafter.)

Look at the evidence, after all (coming from when Obama still had to look good): Thugs at the polls, dead voters, McCain-stickered cars vandalized, critics being called racist, "Obama youth" marching in a Kansas City school.

That article in the NY Post looking back on Obama's first 3.5 years was, in my opinion, the best we can hope for. Obama won't be voted out in 2012 if we have no elections then.

If we don't have a totalitarian government with Obama as president for life and Bill Ayers a top official, and if the Post scenario plays out, I think there's still a chance that Obama can win reelection the same way he won this time, by the votes of those who absolutely cannot be swayed from their beliefs by fact; the same ranters who've been posting here all these past months will still be convinced Obama is infallible, and will be ranting for him in 2012, despite his complete failure to lead this country, despite the total collapse of the US Military and Al Qaida's resurgence and world domination, despite worldwide economic depression, despite the collapse of the remaining US industry (with China and the Arabs owning most of our assets) because so many people lost their will to work or to create wealth.

Shall I go on?

Many here will ridicule me for what I've said (as opposed to ridiculing what I've said), but I've said it and I want you all to print this out and save it in a safe, secret place, and pull it out in 2011 and see if this was totally off, totally ODS, or if this was an optimistic view.

Gore tried to grab the election in the courts. Obama's natural extension of the disrespecting the will of the people was to buy the election. The next step is to just do away with the elections altogether.

I sincerely hope that all of you who are reading this will throw it in my face in 2012 and laugh at me for being so horribly wrong. Oh, PLEASE, let me be wrong!!!

Not my President, not, not,... (Below threshold)

Not my President, not, not, not. Why would I accept a lying, secretive, Marxist liberal with no experience who will risk our freedomes for his meglomaniac personality and who will "stand by the terrorists etc."? McCain was magnanimous and accepting, what did it get him? I just resent the Dem base, losers all in life. Tweenies who know or care about nothing, old hippies, bitter old people who can only chant about loosing SS, and racists(Blacks who voted for him because he is Black). You can yammer all you want about "our president" but I reject him. Maybe I'll think about it when Brian Williams et.al. call him Mr. Obama and not Mr. President.

Mac: sorry, but Korea, Isra... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Mac: sorry, but Korea, Israel, and lots of other functioning democracies have conscription. Every Israeli is trained to fire a weapon and nearly all of them own one. And Canadians own more guns per capita (legally) than Americans and we've never assassinated one of our own leaders. So the facts are contrary to what you hold to be American "Exceptionalism". Any other definition you'd care to throw out there? Homicide statistics indexed to quality of life, perhaps? That simply isn't a fruitful path to pursue--for any country, including yours. Your country can be great without being bestest!!!!!.

Some moron said: I say this because barack obama is an avowed communist, in word and deed. No more, No less.

The stoooopidz are gonna crawl out of the wood work these next four years. Should be fun.

Dear Retard (Judith): as a ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Dear Retard (Judith): as a citizen of the United States, Barack Obama will be your President. You don't get to disown him with a throwaway blog comment.

Just wanted to rub your nose in it.

Love,

Reality

I blew chunks when the Supr... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

I blew chunks when the Supreme Court named George W. Bush president of the United States in 2000, and I did so again in 2004, when he was re-elected.

But I never, ever, ever, ONCE said that he was not "my president".

That's just stupid. If not, who "is" your president?

I vow to personally fly anywhere in this nation, and rent a big truck, at my own expense, gas included, to help anyone who doesn't think Barack Obama is "your president", move to Canada, who just elected a conservative government.

Please, go. I swear I will I do this for any takers.

My name is Ryan Bigleman and my phone number is (435) 753-0589.

As much as I hated it, Bush was ALWAYS my president.

Sorry, I didn't get it all ... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Sorry, I didn't get it all out in my last post.

I made over 400 phone calls using my own minutes on my cell phone, spent a bunch of hours at the campaign office organizing and talking to people, and because my state probably won't ever matter, drove to Colorado 2 weekends before the election to knock on doors and man a booth in front of Wal-Mart in Loveland, Co.

If you don't like it, and Barack Obama is "not your president", maybe you could have done a bit more for John McSame.

Actually, Jay, he is really... (Below threshold)
Mark:

Actually, Jay, he is really the media's president, isn't he? I'm not saying he's not legitimate, but had the media been on the job instead of drinking kool-aid, we wouldn't be in this predicament, would we?

Can people in this country ... (Below threshold)
Dee:

Can people in this country just grow up and stop acting like children when it comes to elections? Both sides, please. Bush kicked Kerry's ass in 2004, fair and square and Obama kicked McCain's ass fair and square. This is the process we have chosen to select our leaders. I am not particularly excited about the next 4 years. But Obama is the President of the United States beginning Jan. 20 and I will support him when I agree with what he is doing and dissent when I do not. Is that so hard to do?

Do we really want to see him fail? Honestly? If he fails like Carter, then all of us will suffer. And I really don't feel like suffering. I am an American first, Republican second.

And Canadians own ... (Below threshold)
Darren:
And Canadians own more guns per capita (legally) than Americans

Verifiably false.

Yitzhak Rabin, PM of Israel, was murdered by an Israeli in 1995.

I can see why you would be a Joe Biden fan.

"Actually, Jay, he is reall... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Actually, Jay, he is really the media's president, isn't he?"

He's is the media's distraction. For how long, we don't know.

Oboama will be my president... (Below threshold)
Leigh Thelmadatter:

Oboama will be my president and I will spend the next four years being loyal opposition. Please, oh please, do not let him get assasinated. WE do not need him as a martyr. If the glorification and absolute pardon of all the studpidty of Kennedy was not enough for you, can you imagine a dead black president.

Far better to let reality sink in and have him go the way of Carter.

Legally owned firear... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Legally owned firearms, Darren.

So an Israeli PM was assassinated (though not during a transfer of power). How about Korea? When was the last time a Korean assassinated his or her Prime Minister?

Unexceptional. A) Who cares?; and B) Get over it.

This thread is seriously of... (Below threshold)
ptg:

This thread is seriously off topic.

1) Who is your favourite Ne... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

1) Who is your favourite New Kid On The Block, ptg, and 2) why?

Don't say Donnie, that's totally cliche and you know it.

Sorry, what's a "topic"?

Hyper, I'm calling deja moo... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Hyper, I'm calling deja moo on you. Back that up with facts, because for if there are more legal guns per capita in Canada, then 65% of the guns in the US would have to be illegal.

I second #82. So the voters... (Below threshold)
Sean P:

I second #82. So the voters got it wrong -- everything will still be OK.

I'm not going to deny that elections have consequences and it is my opinion (subject to revision based on future circumstances) that the consequences of an Obama presidency will be negative. But the fact is our country has survived plenty of lousy presidents. Heck, from 1836 to 1901 -- a period of sixty five years -- we had exactly one remarkable President, while the rest of our leaders were mediocre (Taylor, McKinnley) to awful (Tyler, Buchannan, Anderson, Grant). And it was during that almost non-stop succession of mediocrity that the US enjoyed almost unparallelled growth an properity and began to emerge as a major world power. One thing that has always made America unique is that it has succeeded IN SPITE of its leaders, not because of them.

Chin up. This is still the greatest country in the world, bar none.

If, over the next 8 years, ... (Below threshold)
Reality Check:

If, over the next 8 years, the Democrats can:
- Avoid an extended recession
- Keep my taxes low
- Allow fewer than 2 onshore major terrorist attacks
- Liberate 30 million people while losing fewer than 10,000 troops
- Preside over an up market six out of eight years
- Keep unemployment around 5.5% for six out of eight years
- Achieve sustainable growth (3 - 6%) six out of 8 years...

...why, then, I would be willing to give Obama as much credit as the Democrats have given Bush, for doing the same.

...unless, of course, you think that would be... unfair?




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