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Not 1976

Emotions are still running a bit high from the election. That's actually reasonable, given the stakes, but such emotion often leads to statements which do not really stand up to inspection, one common to this week being that we have returned to 1976. I understood the analogy right away: A new president replacing a party presumed to be in disgrace, that new president having remarkably little experience but supported by a party in control of both chambers of Congress. A public disillusionment with a recent war and a desire to hide from conflicts, coupled with uncertainty about the economy and a moral desire to be good global citizens. At first glance, there seem to be a lot of similarities between Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter.

But let's look deeper. First, James Earl Carter was governor of the state of Georgia when he was elected to the White House, while Barack Obama was a senator from the state of Illinois. In some respects, it is all the more remarkable that a sitting senator won election as president for only the second time since 1920. Four of the last five presidents served as governors, in large part because governors are not only executives but also have direct knowledge of the difference between how the federal and state governments function, and this is generally reflected in the manner in which governors explain their positions as presidential candidates. Carter was much more specific and direct in his positions during the 1976 campaign.

Jimmy Carter served seven years as a naval officer, following his graduation from Annapolis. Barack Obama has never served in the military. Jimmy Carter owned and ran a large successful business before entering politics, while Barack Obama has nothing but politics in his resume, no business experience of any kind whatsoever. Jimmy Carter won in the now-traditional 'Southern Strategy', based on southern states and majority demographics. Barack Obama won through a media flood and with hundreds of millions of dollars from hidden sponsors targeted at major urban centers and demographic minorities.

Conditions are different as well. Carter inherited a stable economy with modest growth, and a half-global American hegemony of influence and power. Obama inherits an economy in crisis and a global community which threatens key American interests in dozens of locations and issues. Carter inherited a cold war condition, with a reasonable yet implacable enemy with the capability of ending all human life on the planet. Obama inherits a continuing War on Terror, with no main enemy capable of destroying the nation but a myriad number of small but vicious groups which mean to kill Americans and destabilize our nation and our allies, who cannot be reasoned with and who have no limits to their rapacity and cruelty. Women, children, the innocent are not only considered valid targets but are often the preferred targets by these groups. The main enemy of the United States today is a large and populous nation which controls much and influences more, which pretends both civility and a love of peace yet prepares for what it sees as an inevitable confrontation with America, one in which the loser is annihilated.

In 1976, Carter won on issues of re-establishing a standard of accountability in the White House, of addressing real-world needs of Americans, and in a spirit of respect for his opponents. Today, Obama won on vague promises which cannot be fulfilled in practice, on intimidation and social pressure to conform, and with deliberate malice towards anyone who did not fall into line. In 1976, pollution meant carbon monoxide, which kills all living things. Today, pollution means carbon dioxide, which is necessary for plant life and which is generally benign to animals. Carter tried to 'zero base' the federal budget, to rein back any spending that could not be proven to be absolutely necessary. Today, Obama has already promised trillions of dollars in new spending, but with no solid answer for how it would be paid for, and how it would prove to be effective.

In 1976, republicans could take comfort in the fact that Gerald Ford only lost by a couple points to Carter, and that Ronald Reagan had already demonstrated a capability and competency that would see him elected four years later. In 2008, McCain's campaign was disjointed and lacked a clear message, and there is no clear leader for the party for 2012.

In 1976, there was hope. In 2008, there is no hope.


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It will probably be largely... (Below threshold)

It will probably be largely up to the success or failure of the Obama Administration as to how fast any real political opposition actually builds to this administration, and whether the Obama Administration is like the generational rule by Democrats of the long Roosevelt years or not. But this is probably the best opportunity of the Democrats to prove themselves since the Roosevelt years with similar economic problems.

Yeah, but in 2008, there is... (Below threshold)
Sean P:

Yeah, but in 2008, there is "Hope"(tm)

Obama won in large part bec... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Obama won in large part because the electorate perceived Bush and republicans as having failed. I expect Bush will be vindicated in time, but that's not the issue right now. Bush had the bad luck of 9/11 and there's no guarantee that Obama will escape a similar attack. If so, then Obama may well find himself in a worse position than Bush is in today. I expect most of the electorate will oppose any substantial military response and if diplomacy and security fails to stop further attacks then Obama and the democrats are finished. That's particularly true if the perpetrators are some of those Bush was forced to release from custody by liberal whining. Obama's fate is not entirely in his hands just like it wasn't in Bush's hands.

Seriously, things are going... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Seriously, things are going to be rough for 4 years BUT there's still hope.

1. Newt is planning on running to be GOP Chair
2. There are some promising upstarts in the RNC
3. Now the democrats can't monday morning quarterback on everything

I know you're saying it's not 1976 but this may help you feel a little better and hopefully the RNC will get what they have to do... http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/reagan/reagan1975.asp

We need to hold the line until 2010 and present a clear message of what makes our ideology better and not try to be all things to all people.

We have to close the primar... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:

We have to close the primaries so the democrats dont get to select our candidate.

We need to select conservatives and not democrat-lites.

No clear leader for 2012 ?<... (Below threshold)
The Exposer:

No clear leader for 2012 ?

Sarah Palin.

DJ,Given that both s... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

DJ,
Given that both serious candidates were sitting US Senators, it is not at all remarkable that the president will have been a sitting US senator. :)

Paul,
Todays economic problems are about as similar to the Great depression as your scooter are to my motorcycles. Yeah, from a distance, you might think so, but when you get close...

Reagan was far from the obv... (Below threshold)

Reagan was far from the obvious choice for 1980 in 1976.

There is plenty of hope. There is always hope. It's one of the few renewable resources the Democrats aren't particular fans of, they do appear to like 'Hope', which is something different. I would translate their usage of 'Hope' as something closer to 'group hysteria and denial of reality'.

My worldview is no less accurate on 11/5 than it was on 11/3. We are not wrong because a few percentage points more of the voting population bought into something they were force-fed by overwhelming media purchases, or chose to not examine too closely before purchasing.

We need to actually explain what we believe in ways that people will understand. This was not done well in the last election cycle.

Where hope comes for us is that we have to hope there are enough people we can interest in standing on their own two feet and telling the government to butt out. While I do not like paying the taxes I pay, there is something more than a little exhilarating about knowing that I am providing the funds to keep the government going until people with my worldview can win elections and begin to dismember it.

The rest of the 'disaster' scenarios we should be prepared for in any event. Let the kiddies play for a few years, smack them down when they go over the line, and meanwhile revel in the knowledge that no matter how hard they try, they won't be right.

SCSIwuzzy, the thing is tha... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

SCSIwuzzy, the thing is that McCain and Obama both had to win their way past governors in the primaries.

Oh, and just a grammatical observation ...

"as your scooter are"

WTF?

"In 1976, there was hope. I... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"In 1976, there was hope. In 2008, there is no hope."


That's the can-do American spirit we like to see!

Seems like most Republicans root for Democratic failures over America's successes.

jp, "Americas successes" wo... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

jp, "Americas successes" would be winning in Iraq (Obama does not want that), lowering spending and taxes (Obama opposed to both of those), respecting the Constitution as written (Obama wants it fixed, as in spayed or neutered)...

Obama is the opposite of 'America's success'.

And I said there is no hope. There will be hope, if and when America wakes up and kicks out the crooks in DC, be they Stevens or be they Reid, be they (R) or be they (D).

Jimmy Carter won in the ... (Below threshold)
Conservator:

Jimmy Carter won in the now-traditional 'Southern Strategy'

I can't tell which one of you is the bigger moron, you or Weak Tea.

There is hope. This is not... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

There is hope. This is not a time to give up or dispair.

Hell, I've had a terrible autumn this year, being a McCain supporter and a Michigan football fan. Still, I haven't given up hope.

Hell, Obama might not even be as bad as thinking people fear. In any case the Republic will survive.

Well I fully expect Pelosi ... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:

Well I fully expect Pelosi and Reid to increase the size of the Supreme Court in the name of diversity. If they do than the Supreme Court will be firmly in their grasp as well.

With ACORN becoming the official government GOTV agency and with our money backing them via taxes, along with the fairness doctrine, naturalization of millions of illegal immigrants, and free money to 45% of the population I fear there is little hope in 2010 or even 2012.

The first Supreme Court nominee will be Hillary.

Yes, things are dark now bu... (Below threshold)
Mike A:

Yes, things are dark now but there is no hope? Fuck You, you weak-wristed little puss. There is always hope but not if people just give up. I would hate to be in a foxhole with you.

the Dems have two years to make a huge mess of things. do you really think the public won't notice? Of course they will. The were sold a blank slate and when he doesnt deliver unicorns to everyone, he will get a lot of heat. And Congress is still there to remind everyone how stupid they can be.

If you say there is no hope, then I am done with you. Go crawl in a hole and cry like a baby. OR, you can man up and get ready for the next fight and the fight after that. If I see any more of this whiney crying on this site, I am removing you from my bookmarks.

Back in the Carter days, th... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Back in the Carter days, there may have been (some) journalistic ethics. That's another thing we don't have any longer.

We are now a nation made up of a majority of people who are easily swayed by feel-good soundbites. In comparison, there are scant few Americans who can be bothered to do their homework about issues and candidates (whichever party you support).

In 1976, it is inconceivable we would have selected a candidate for the most powerful position in the world who had the same associations as president-elect Obama.

Now, people with certain beliefs are older. The Reaganisms many of us admire and grew up with are considered cliche and outdated. It is the transition from the Ozzie and Harriet generation to... something else.

Pro-life is passe. Gun ownership means I am a "redneck". "Honor" is an outdated concept... it's "hope and change" that will save the day.

The God-loving, patriotic America I grew up in, I will never see again. We are (outnumbered) relics.

Though I will never give up that which I am, I fear I agree with the last sentence in DJ's article.

"Seems like most Republi... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"Seems like most Republicans root for Democratic failures over America's successes."

I looked up "hypocrite" in the dictionary the other day, and sure enough, there was a picture of jp2 next to that word.

Mike A,I understan... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Mike A,

I understand where you are coming from and admire your fighting spirit.

I would have been right there with you, but something feels like we are past the point of no return...

Our "noble opponents" pretty much control what is taught in schools, so they have indoctrination covered. They have control and/or near total complicity of the media. They now have a majority of people voting the "hope/change" ticket of emptiness.

I would love for you to brighten my (our) spirits with a suggestion of how one can (non-violently) overcome such obstacles.

Mike A, your comprehension ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Mike A, your comprehension is comparable to your choice of vocabulary.

Try again, or not. Either way I do not recall you being part of the fight when it mattered most this year. I have dug my share of fox holes, but it seems you prefer to dig latrines instead.

WTF that there is no hope?<... (Below threshold)
hermie:

WTF that there is no hope?

In 2010, Republicans will have a chance to take back the House by showing the Dems hypocrisy regarding spending, taxes, personal liberties, and yes...the war. All we need is for a change in the leadership which had a 'get along' policy, rather than a 'loyal opposition' policy.

You need to build on the new media, and to start going door to door.

Newt taking helm of the party is a good start, and Gov Palin has the opportunity to keep the base going and involved. She might not want to run in 2012, but the sight of here as at least a symbol of conservatism and 'new blood', can inspire others in the GOP.

But the most important thing is to keep the pressure on the remaining Reps in Congress, and not have them remain content with being the minority party.

Give up? It's too late to g... (Below threshold)
Conservator:

Give up? It's too late to give up. The battle - hell - the war, is over. You lost. Wake up and die right. I got your Southern Strategery right here. Straight from the horse's ass:


Atwater on the Southern Strategy

As a member of the Reagan administration in 1981, Atwater gave an anonymous interview to Political Scientist Alexander P. Lamis. Part of this interview was printed in Lamis' book The Two-Party South, then reprinted in Southern Politics in the 1990s with Atwater's name revealed. Bob Herbert reported on the interview in the October 6, 2005 edition of the New York Times. Atwater talked about the GOP's Southern Strategy and Ronald Reagan's version of it:

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964... and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster...

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps...?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"--that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me--because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

Really Conservator? And wh... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Really Conservator? And who, do you think, is obsessed with the 'N word' these days? Who is most obsessed with race, to the point that they would elect a KKK Kleagle in their own party but falsely accuse the other party of 'racism' every time a valid challenge is made?

I said that hope was dead right now. I never said we would stop fighting, or that your love of evil would not poison your own legacy.

#18, I have a <a href="http... (Below threshold)

#18, I have a suggestion, though it's a bit long to read, and it's not short-term.

DJ-You object to m... (Below threshold)
Mike A:

DJ-

You object to my fighting words by lying down and crying? Hey, I was there. I gave the max to McCain and more the the stupid Republicans. I gave money to Rossi, Coleman and several more races. I was out talking to people and working the phones. I did what I could. Not enough, obviously, but I won't stop trying.

If I want advice on how conservatives should lay down and quit, I will just pick up the LA Times. I read you for inspiration, for guidance and and for HOPE. And not that gauzy crap that the Left has been pedeling. Get with it man!!!

As I said Mike, you are a b... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

As I said Mike, you are a bad reader and a lousy student of history. My dad had friends at Bataan.

You want to know how they felt, 'round June 1942?

I know. I talked to survivors.

Think they talked like you right about that time?

Not a chance. They knew hope was dead. They got it back, but there was a long time where it was beyond-doubt dead. That's not defeatism or fatalism, it's how it was.

Hope lives, hope dies, hope rises again. You got to know which is which, and I called it where we are now.

Go back to digging your latrine.

2010 is the worm turns. Tha... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

2010 is the worm turns. Thank God the senate can block leftest judges.

The dem congress already has the economy in the tank and now they want to run the auto industry. I don't think us conservatives even have to work on the election, just let the dems have at it, ala Carter. ww

DJ,Sorry, "scooters"... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

DJ,
Sorry, "scooters" plural, not "scooter". Left off the s. One of the plurals of drive by commenting between appointments. :)
The "It's Hooverville again" type comparisons get my Irish up, and that makes the typing faster and sloppier...

I think that each side is b... (Below threshold)
JFO:

I think that each side is being just a tad extreme here. Conservatism is not dead nor are the dire predictions of folks like ww likely to happen. For cripes sake the man hasn't even been sworn in yet. I would suggest to my buddies on the right that you be careful not to "misunderestimate" Obama. Will he succeed? Will he fail? Who the hell knows. I hope so. I believe in him and I think he has the capacity to be a very good president. But then I actually thought the same thing about other politicians who turned out to be not so good. I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to say we all ought to pull together as I have been as partisan as the anyone else. That said, there's a lot at stake in this country in the next few years and we should all hope that the problems we face get resolved favorably to us all.

I think the weeping and the wailing, and yes the crowing from some, about the demise of conservatism and the republican party is a bit over the top. A short 8 years many of us from the left side thought we were entering into the wilderness. If nothing else, history proves that politics is cyclical which, in my view, is one of its beauties.

Lets all just settle back. I'll wear my birkenstoks and buy a latte or 2 for folks like DJ. We can watch the events unfold and soon enough I'll be weeping and wailing and DJ or others can buy me a beer.

I just can't resist this one though ww - there's going to be lots and lots of "leftist" type judges and we will once again have peace and flowers all around us.

I wrote that now there is n... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

I wrote that now there is no hope. I think the context of that statement is apparent, but perhaps not its meaning. It appears that some folks think that when hope is gone, the war is over, there is no more resistance.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Hope stays the desperate man from using all the tools at his disposal. When hope is lost, so is the last restraint.

My ancestors were murdered in Hungary, in Scotland, and in Pennsylvania, all because they stood up to thugs, tyrants, and oppressors. We have lost everything countless times, yet we still exist. And it is when we are hopeless that we are the most dangerous. I am neither violent nor unlawful, but I am still dangerous to tyrants, and men like me are everywhere.

Jeff Medcalf,Thank... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Jeff Medcalf,

Thank you for that. Very enlightening link. I found the Gramsci analysis to be of particular interest with the way I perceive things to be going today... It looks like all we're witnessing is right out of a textbook (and it is).

I highly recommend your link to other Wizbang readers.

Respectfully, I don't know if I can agree with your solution(s). I see the methods you have outlined as extremely stifled at the moment, with a poor prognosis for recovery... In just the campaign for the presidency, we have seen threats and intimidation for simply asking questions. Lawsuits were threatened for telling "untruths" about Obama, etc.
You propose never settling for those half-a-loaf politicians who give some of what you support, but in a plea for (popular majority) votes, not all of it.

In the "What If" universe, ponder Obama on the Dem ticket, and Ronald Reagan on the the Rep... With two admittedly charismatic characters duking it out, the one who has the media backing, the one who has had his "ideas" preached in schools for years (so now the indoctrinated are of voting age), the one who excels at thuggery and intimidation is the victor. In short, I believe America has been swept up (and will continue to be) in HYPE over SUBSTANCE... In "hope" over reality. In the coming years, I expect all the "bad" from an Obama administration to be pinned on the Bush administration. George Bush is, after all, the boogeyman the left currently (and quite incorrectly) blames the financial crisis (and much more) for. The "progressive" machine will continue without abatement.

My despair is that we just don't have the numbers anymore. The election results seem to back me up.

How do we stop organizations like ACORN signing up the fictional, mentally disabled, and "will-vote-for-cigarettes" voters?
How do we take back our education system when it's teachings/leanings support the party in power?
How does the common man fight back against the intimidation of lawyers fed with an infinite amount of financing?
How does one regulate a fair media?

I really do hate sounding this negative, and am sure I am wallowing in the fog of disbelief following what I believe is one of the top, poor decisions my country has made... but I just can't seem to shake the sense of having crossed a line... a point where it will be impossible to go back.

JFO,

I actually kind of agree with you on your comment. Sounds like the last South Park episode.

Although I disagree with almost everything the Obama campaign has been about, he will be president. All I can do is "hope" for the best...

Really, it's all anyone can do at this point.

One key problem we had is t... (Below threshold)
I-Man:

One key problem we had is that since Reagan, no one at the Presidential level has been able to expound upon the Conservative vision. Why we believe what we believe.

Bobby Jindal is a great hope for Conservatives. He understands and can ARTICULATE the reasons for conservative philosophy and he can point to demonstrative results from their implemenation.

The Bushes never believed in small govt, conservative thinking - and they both had results to show for it. Young voters (under 30) have never been exposed to the philosophy behind our position. Jindal is smart and can clearly present our position.

We need more Jindals and they are coming. McCain was never one of us and therefore, though he may have gotten most of our votes, he could not get our support.

The key imo, are the primaries. We need to support the true conservatives and fight, in the primary system, against the RINO types. We cannot win elections by being Democrat-Lites. Why should a voter support a Democrat-Lite when they simply pull the lever for the genuine article.

DJ, there is hope. We just have to work smart and hard.

SOTG,Believing tha... (Below threshold)

SOTG,

Believing that because the Left controls the education system is the end does not square with reality. Remember who we are as conservatives: we deal with what is, not what should be. Human nature as practiced, not as desired.

The more the Left teaches people theoretical BS as truth, the better the alternatives look, and we are the alternative. "We are all equal" lasts until the first footrace in Physical Education, or the first objective test. "Boys and Girls are the same" lasts until puberty. The minute someone finishes ahead of someone else after hard work and is held back to avoid damaging the self-image of someone who did not work, the fallacy of "equality of outcome" becomes apparent.

You just have to be there with some Sowell or Friedman or Walter Williams and let them figure it out for themselves. There are people who will never pull the jack of the Matrix out and realize that they aren't owed anything...but there are people who will come to realize even after indoctrination the joy of being self-reliant, and then the joy of helping others out of concern for them as people, rather than program participants or voters.

You can't win with anger. You can't win with bitterness. There are some hard-core idealogues who voted for Obama, but the swingable voters didn't vote for him because he's a redistributionist or because they agreed with his nuanced policy on the border of Pakistan or European missile defense. Most people do not see things political things to the same depth and detail that posters on political blogs do, so stop believing that the majority of the country has lost their mind.

They elected someone who said they were for cutting taxes and improving health care, and increasing jobs and getting us off of foreign oil. That you and I know that Obama's means to achieve these goals are likely to fail does not change the fact that to win, Obama campaigned as a center-right candidate.

Forest. Trees. Learn the difference.

Darren,Very wise a... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Darren,

Very wise and inspirational. You have lifted my spirits for the moment.

I like the idea that should (I believe more "when") Obama's policies fail, people look to the alternative... But with control of education and with media steering the narrative, I think it may be a long time if/when the pendulum swings back.

"In 1976, Carter won on iss... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"In 1976, Carter won on issues of re-establishing a standard of accountability..." -- DJ Drummond.

Well, yeah, so too did Barack Obama and particularly Joe Biden, who indicated that the Republican criminals won't be getting away with the illegal shit they've been pulling for the past several years.

Soon I suspect we'll be hearing some Republican criminals blubbering: "NOT GUANTANAMO!!! Please liberals don't send us there to be imprisoned as punishment for our crimes!!! WE FEAR YOUR RIGHTEOUS WRATH!!!"

To which other Republican criminals will respond: "Relax. You forget about the wicked ace we have up our sleeves: Bushie! Dubya will readily grant us pardons, particularly those of us who have gleefully tortured others in the name of Jesus Christ, as he doesn't want what we have done to get back to him. Remember how Bush Sr. pardoned the Iran-Contra criminals so they wouldn't be called to testify against him, and remember too how quickly Bushie pardoned Lewis Libby! But you have to be sure to get your pardon request in early, as Bushie is going to be swamped."

Unfortunately for them, there are two words that the Republican criminals are unaware of that the Democrats are not:

THE HAGUE.

Chimpy's pardons mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the International Court of Justice.

"So what!" will say the Republican criminals, "We've destroyed all the incriminating evidence, erasing emails and destroying the torture videotapes ( http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/washington/07intel.html ). We won't get convicted."

Stunning what the Republican criminals will forget about themselves. Being Republican, they don't give a damn about the truth, and being a cornered Republican criminal, they'll resort to lying. Alas, the prosecutors at the ICJ are every bit as skilled as Patrick Fitzgerald, the resulting tangled web of lies and cover-up ensnaring increasingly more Republicans until the only verdict heard will be: "Guilty as charged."

Now undoubtedly many of you are wondering, "Where will Herman fit in all of this? Though I'm happy with my current occupation, I do strongly hope to become a sailor on one of the ships transporting the Republican criminals to Holland for their trials, and then to Guantanamo for their incarceration.

Conservatives, I WARNED YOU some time ago that Judgment Day was coming, coming just for you.

Deal with it.

Control of education I find... (Below threshold)

Control of education I find to be a nebulous benefit.

For instance, when the whole sex-ed debate rose up again a couple of months back, I was struck by how silly it is to expect the same high school students, many of whom will graduate unable to reliably spell, complete a sentence, do basic algebra or find Saudi Arabia on a map, to nevertheless effortlessly master reproductive physiology, virology, bacteriology and embryology if they will only be permitted to cram a condom over a banana. Students are not learning much of anything from school these days as is -- maybe that's part of the plan, but I doubt it. It's a bug, not a feature.

These things only have as much power as you give them, and they carry within them the seeds of their undoing. I'm not saying it's nothing, but realistically people forget most of what they learn in school, and conservative philosophies make far more sense with experience. It is a natural response to become more conservative with age, because we often discard silliness the older we get.

And the media? Heh. The media are toast. Print media is dying the fastest, and broadcasting cannot help but be replaced by narrowcasting. I'll believe that we no longer have a center-right country when Fox gets beat by MSNBC on a regular basis. There are enough media outlets that you can shop for what you want. It makes control that much harder to achieve. It's undoubtedly true that the media being scrupulously uninterested in the background of Barack Obama was a great help to him, but in the future I doubt the same milleu will exist to allow that to happen. More competition = less mercy.

Herman, You either... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Herman,

You either forgot the [/Sarcasm] tag, or the Obama victory jubilation has seeped in a wee bit too deep.

Fredo,Neither.... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Fredo,

Neither.

Oh all is lost, woe is me!<... (Below threshold)

Oh all is lost, woe is me!

Yet in the rest of the word we hear truths like this from Bill Whittle:

On Tuesday, the Left -- armed with the most attractive, eloquent, young, hip, and charismatic candidate I have seen with my adult eyes, a candidate shielded by a media so overtly that it can never be such a shield again, who appeared after eight years of a historically unpopular President, in the midst of two undefended wars and at the time of the worst financial crisis since the Depression and whose praises were sung by every movie, television, and musical icon without pause or challenge for 20 months . . . who ran against the oldest nominee in the country's history, against a campaign rent with internal disarray and determined not to attack in the one area where attack could have succeeded, and who was out-spent no less than seven-to-one in a cycle where not a single debate question was unfavorable to his opponent -- that historic victory, that perfect storm of opportunity . . .

Yielded a result of 53 percent.
David

Darren,It's not ju... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Darren,

It's not just the control of education cranking out Obama-bots (or "Progresso-bots" in the long run), or the media complicity... It's the powerful combination we've witnessed this time around. The Obama-kids singing, the trashing of Joe the Plumber type folks, belittling of Sarah Palin even. ACORN, lawsuit threats. The repulsive list seems endless.

BUT, I do see your point.

I suspect my anxiety stems from believing that we may be seeing the end of the old guard... those folks who say, grew up in or before the 60's who's traditioinal belief's are mocked and ridiculed... We have some younger folks with those shared beliefs, but not nearly as many. Do we have enough? Perhaps not in this election cycle. Will there be enough in the future, even WITH leftist control of the main sources of education and information?

I feel like our Jimmy Stewarts, Ronald Reagans, John Waynes etc. have been relegated to the "nostalgia" category, and the inmates now control the asylum.

I do hope your outlook is the correct one, and that we will one day be able to look back on all this and laugh as we do at the Carter years... Time will tell.

LifeTrek,Wow, when... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

LifeTrek,

Wow, when you put it in that perspective... Hmmm, I may have to rethink my glumness and look towards the future again!

You are right, this is not ... (Below threshold)
Axel Rose:

You are right, this is not 1976, and the president elect is not a white peanut farmer from Georgia and not a member of the religious right. History does not repeat its self exactly. You are way out in right field taking a crap in the wind. If you are saying you have a crystal ball, then surely you should be buying stock on Wall Street and not wasting your time here. You know nothing about the future.

Listen, 8 years of George B... (Below threshold)
Alex Rose:

Listen, 8 years of George Bush policies have got us here. Are you happy with how things are going? Maybe so long as there is a single Democrat in office, we can blame all Republican failures on him.

Bottom Line: Big government bailouts and 79% government takeovers of private corporations such as was the case with AIG, is nothing short of Socialism. This is the kind of nonsense your Great Leader Bush has espoused. Ask yourselves, are Federal takeovers of private corporations the kind of solutions you see a conservative government should be undertaking? This sounds like New Deal politics. But of course, these are drastic times, we haven't faced an economic crisis like this since the Great Depression. I ask you, how the hell did we get her in the first place. Did any politician ever warn you of the potential downside to the plans they were pushing?? Answer: NO!
Truth: Both Democrats and Republican pushed NAFTA and its devastating consequences. NAFTA SUCKS!

At least somebody as green and inexperienced as President Elect Obama, had nothing to do with these policies. Its truly time for somebody NEW!
Put up, and shut up. Your nonsense is costing me money. NAFTA sucks!

"Well, yeah, so too did Bar... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Well, yeah, so too did Barack Obama and particularly Joe Biden, who indicated that the Republican criminals won't be getting away with the illegal shit they've been pulling for the past several years."

No, they didn't exactly indicate that. I guess you missed the part where Bidey mentioned a distraction-uh-generated crisis that will occur within six months of Obama taking office. Your boys will be way too busy sharing the wealth to care what happened in the last eight years. I can almost hear part of his inauguration speech..."And above all, I want to thank the Bush administration for paving the way for my bullsh--..."

"Its truly time for somebod... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Its truly time for somebody NEW!
Put up, and shut up. Your nonsense is costing me money. NAFTA sucks!"

No, it's your nonsense that is costing you money, which makes the world go 'round, by the way.

Dj,First off let m... (Below threshold)
jmc:

Dj,

First off let me congratulate you on being dead wrong on the polls as you are on most things.

jp, "Americas successes" would be winning in Iraq (Obama does not want that), lowering spending and taxes

What a bunch of horseshit DJ. Republican values do not equate to American Values. An American success would be doing whatever is best in Iraq. I beleive that means pulling out you think that means staying. netheir is "AMERICAN."

Lowering taxes is certainly not an american success. paying off our 10 trillion defict would be. This is my biggest problem with the far right, you can't distinguish between what you want and what is American. Running up the country's credit card is not American.


(Obama opposed to both of those), respecting the Constitution as written (Obama wants it fixed, as in spayed or neutered)...

Wow, this is funny. We have been bitching for years about abuses to the constitution by the Bush administration. Which you could have had no concern for.

Obama is the opposite of 'America's success'.


Yeah, he is no Sarah (I had no idea Africa was continent) Palin. Or George (I like to torture, that's american!) Bush.

And I said there is no hope. There will be hope, if and when America wakes up and kicks out the crooks in DC, be they Stevens or be they Reid, be they (R) or be they (D).

Stevens is a convicted felon. Reid is not. and I love the blame america thing you seem to have going now. We finally have hope because America finally woke up and kicked Republicans out of Government in droves. Thank the worst president in in American History for that.

Guys-I got some ad... (Below threshold)
thurston moore:

Guys-

I got some advice. get rid of the religious wingnuts and you might win some elections in the future. if you don't, well, enjoy hanging out in the wilderness.

oh, the fact that you have no hope actually means that almost everyone else in the country and world is very hopeful. you guys did this to yourself. know this. have fun whining. can we get bush out of here now? i don't see that he is currently doing anything useful for anyone.

jp, "Americas suc... (Below threshold)
jmc:
jp, "Americas successes" would be winning in Iraq (Obama does not want that), lowering spending and taxes

DJ,

I just reread the above and I didn't realize you considered Ronald Reagan to be against "American Successes."

Reagan agreed to a $165 billion bailout of Social Security. which increased payroll taxes on employees and employers, and, for the first time, taxed Social Security benefits, and like a good liberal he only taxed upper-income recipients.

Reagan also raised taxes a grand total of four times just between 1982-84.


Damn unamerican of him wasn't it?

"Guys-I got some a... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Guys-

I got some advice. get rid of the religious wingnuts"

Could you be any more vague?

"We finally have hope becau... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"We finally have hope because America finally woke up and kicked Republicans out of Government in droves."

Still like to vote up your own comments, jmc? Your boy Obama has you hook, line, and sinker, doesn't he? Crisis, what crisis? Look over there, something shiny!

there is nothing vague abou... (Below threshold)
thurston moore:

there is nothing vague about my comment. republicans could possibly have some hope by getting rid of the religious wingnuts who have captured the party and are currently stinking up the joint.

if sarah palin is who you all think is the "conservative" flag bearer that is going to revive the party, you are seriously, SERIOUSLY delusional. that is my advice. very clear. i am sure you won't take my advice, but that's fine by me. have fun losing more elections. and watch out for the boogeymen in the closet, that obama is going to be bringing to america. boogeymen and alien invasion (he is conspiring with the aliens to enslave the human race). so scary. oh my good! what will we do??

this is gonna be fun. IN YOUR FACE, WINGNUTS!!!

Still like to vote... (Below threshold)
jmc:
Still like to vote up your own comments, jmc? Your boy Obama has you hook, line, and sinker, doesn't he? Crisis, what crisis? Look over there, something shiny!

Hey Lameds, I have a triva question for you. What three countries are in NAFTA? if you get it right not only are you smarter than a fifth grader, but you are also qualified to be the the republican nominee for Vice President.

JFO has a tremendous inabil... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

JFO has a tremendous inability to recall. GW Bush in 2000 was not even allowed to have his transition team meet with Clinton's team until well into December. Mind you, the same time Al Queda was planning 9/11. Not a one of you lefty jerks crowed for Clinton to be gracious and inform Bush's staff of what is happening in the world. Look at the behavior of GW now, already fully briefing Obama's team on threat assessments. Already inviting Obama to the White House. Laura Bush, already planning to show Michelle around the White House for family planning. That is graciousness lefties. Something you need to learn.

JFO has the audacity to ask us to give Obama a chance when GW was minimized, insulted and viciously assaulted by you guys before he was even sworn in.

JFO, you guys made the rules, we didn't. Now live with them. ww

Like I said, JMC, it's a go... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Like I said, JMC, it's a good thing you're married to an Ivy Leaguer or you'd actually have to use your brain, then you'd really be down for the count.

NAFTA is only a tiny part of what this election is about, and it's not what you think. The big picture is about disarmament and control; elimination. The whole process may require a fall guy. Take the time to think really hard about structured design and what this all means. No one can do it for you.

My nonsense is costing me m... (Below threshold)
Axel Rose:

My nonsense is costing me money? The stock market is in shambles, the fed is buried in debt, and America is hemorrhaging jobs to overseas labor markets. The US auto industry is now asking for bailouts, and he economy is in shambles. And this is my nonsense?
You don't seem to understand that some policies are bad. Look around you dude, the evidence is everywhere.

"Its truly time for somebody NEW!
Put up, and shut up. Your nonsense is costing me money. NAFTA sucks!"

No, it's your nonsense that is costing you money, which makes the world go 'round, by the way.

44. Posted by LaMedusa | November 7, 2008 9:33 PM | Vote up Vote down Report this comment Score: 2 (2 votes cast)

Yeah, don't put idiots like... (Below threshold)
Axel Rose:

Yeah, don't put idiots like Sara Palin on any tickets.
Is that vague enough for you?

"Guys-

I got some advice. get rid of the religious wingnuts"

Could you be any more vague?

48. Posted by LaMedusa | November 7, 2008 10:50 PM | Vote up Vote down Report this comment Score: 1 (3 vote

Alex, alex, alex, ha... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Alex, alex, alex, have you READ the list of Obama's appointments. Show me new. It isn't there.

Well la med I got my ivy le... (Below threshold)
jmc:

Well la med I got my ivy league girlfriend to weigh in on the debate, and she has ruled your points are idiotic. Sorry. The smart person has spoken.

NAFTA is only a tiny part of what this election is about, and it's not what you think. The big picture is about disarmament and control; elimination. The whole process may require a fall guy.

Uhh, sorry. When you have not yet mastered 2 + 2 = 4 I have hard time believing you are ready for calculus.

Take the time to think really hard about structured design and what this all means. No one can do it for you.

I have, and then I voted for Barack Obama.

jmc, all you and axel rose ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

jmc, all you and axel rose have proven is that you can copy and paste and vote up your own comments. If your response were actually from your ivy league girlfriend it would read a lot smarter not just, "cuz she said so". You probably voted for Obama because she told you it was "the smart" thing to do.

Here it is: The election was purchased. It's a cover-up for a new world order that a global elite is trying to implement by 2012. They want to merge all currencies and eventually take those away and replace them with an implanted chip to control everything you do. This is the next step for North American currency: http://laterminalrosario.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/amero-dorado.jpg and this http://www.ameromints.com/amero4.gif And no, it's not a hoax. It's been in the planning stages for many decades.

If all you are trying to do is cast doubt in other people's minds, then fine, but you won't succeed with everyone.

P.S. If you think for one ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

P.S. If you think for one moment Obama is not a part of the above plan, you are not just ignorant, you're nuts. Wake up.

Gee thanks,so there's no ho... (Below threshold)
C. Bensing:

Gee thanks,so there's no hope. I would say that I'm glad I didn't read your article until today.
I've since been to enough sites and seen enough action by many to say, there is hope. That doesn't mean I won't be buying a gun tommorrow with plenty of ammo just in case your statement of no hope comes true.
CB

Here it is: T... (Below threshold)
jmc:

Here it is: The election was purchased. It's a cover-up for a new world order that a global elite is trying to implement by 2012. They want to merge all currencies and eventually take those away and replace them with an implanted chip to control everything you do. This is the next step for North American currency:


LaMed, I was just kidding when I said you were off your meds... but now, I wonder if maybe you are.

P.S. If you think... (Below threshold)
jmc:
P.S. If you think for one moment Obama is not a part of the above plan, you are not just ignorant, you're nuts. Wake up.

Oh, I know. in fact it was with money from the John Dillenger died for you foundation, that barack Obama bought the election. He and others in a covert attempt to keep america from finding out what really happend at Roswell (and you thought it just had to do with currency) gained support from the highest levels of the military (think Colin Powell) and used the military industrial complex to achieve a stalemate in iraq so that votes would swing to obama.

With one of their own in charge aliens from Roswell could then control the secret muslim manchurian candiate who attended a christian church run by the reverend Wright and implement their own aline currency to begin the new world order. it's true. just ask anyone.

Believe what you want, jmc.... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Believe what you want, jmc.




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