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Obama Following Teacher Practices Indoctrination, Intimidation and Ridicule in the Classroom

I am just now seeing this video of the little girl who dared say she supported John McCain to her teacher. I don't know what is scarier -- that a teacher in my state is so blatantly indoctrinating her students or that a teacher in my state is so blatantly stupid and ignorant. WATCH THIS.

Michelle Malkin posted the video and the transcript.

Michelle calls it ghastly and says, "The 'educator' should be disciplined, fired, forced to apologize publicly, and banned from the classroom." I agree and if this was my kid I would go farther than that. A transcript follows, but it is not complete. In the video, following the exchange with the students, the teacher is interviewed and says if a student tells her they support John McCain she says "Oh that's good" and moves on. The woman is not only an ignorant propagandizer, and hateful beyond belief for telling the child her dad is going to be in Iraq for a hundred years, but she is a liar to boot. I wonder what the Obama people think of this representative of his followers.

Partial transcript:

Harris:We want to talk about the presidential election. I want to ask you, who are you pulling for? Raise your hand.

Student: Obama.

Harris: You pullin for Obama. Who you pullin for?

Student: Obama.

Harris:Any of you pullin for John McCain? That's fine, say him as well.

Student: Obama.

Student: Obama.

[Cathy, the daughter of an American soldier answers McCain.]

Harris:John, oh lord, John McCain.

Oh Jesus, John McCain.

Ok, now I wanna axe you somethin.

Why are you pullin for John McCain? It's ok, but why are you pullin for John McCain?

Cathy: I thinks it's because my parents are going for him too.

Harris: Ok, your parents are going for him. Why are you pullin for Ba-RACK. Barack.

Student: I just want a black president sometimes.

Ok, you want a black president.

Student: The reason why I want Barack Obama is because he's making good changes in the good country and stuff like that.

Harris: So, he's making good changes for our country. Now can you tell me just a little bit more, like what type of changes?

Student: Like not having big fights between Iraq and having soldiers killed.

Harris: So in other words, Barack is going to end that war in Iraq. What do you all know about that war in Iraq?

[Harris addresses Kathy] Talk, cause yo daddy in the military. Talk. It's a senseless war! And by the way, Cathy, the person that you're picking for president said that our troops could stay in Iraq for another hundred years if they need to!

[Camera pans to Cathy, in near tears.]

Harris: So that means that your daddy could stay in the military for another hundred years!



Uncle Jimbo
had the same reaction I did.


Update: Kenneth Sikorski at Tundra Tabloid was the one who first uncovered this disturbing video and tracked down the identity of the teacher. More updates on the story there.


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Comment:Why... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Comment:

Why is that teacher certified? Is this some sort of joke? I didn't know that Eubonics was a classroom language.

The teacher was African-Ame... (Below threshold)
Chip:

The teacher was African-American and an Obama supporter, the left won't see a thing wrong with this and nothing will happen, this story too shall pass. In my opinion though, she should be fired and made to apologize to the entire class and personally to the young girl she berated.

Sure would love to be the fly on the wall when the father gets home and gets to have his say about it though.

Vile!... (Below threshold)
guido:

Vile!

She'll be PROMOTED! <... (Below threshold)

She'll be PROMOTED!

OLD School: Teaching
NEW School: Indoctrination!

This woman is Bill Ayers' philosophy regarding "education", which he s-p-e-l-l-e-d out VERY clearly while working on the Annenburg project. And Obama bought EVERY WORD of it!

Obama truly IS the: Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

She should be fired. My col... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

She should be fired. My college professors are careful about advocating, and that's even with more developed minds and studies generally showing that college students aren't that affected by their professors' attitudes. Political advocating to children is unconscionable.

This is nothing new.<... (Below threshold)
Tim:

This is nothing new.

WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU PEOPLE BEEN THE LAST 20 YEARS, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

The schools are lost. It's a done deal, and has been for years.

Why is that teacher cert... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Why is that teacher certified? Is this some sort of joke? I didn't know that Eubonics was a classroom language.

Larry, linguistically, what we'd term as sounding stereotypically African-American is west African grammatical rules applied to the English language. Just the same way the Pennsylvania Dutch occasionally will use German grammatical rules or a hispanic person will say 'what has' instead of 'what does it have.' Linguists have no problem with the African-American dialect. But English purists have their place, I suppose. :)

Despicable ... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Despicable

I would almost say the teac... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

I would almost say the teacher "instructed" to do this. The indoctrination is far worse than people realize it is.

I have told my kids for man... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

I have told my kids for many years they will hear all kinds of crap from public school teachers. I said just nod your head, get the grade and move on to the next year until you graduate.

OK den. Let me axe you sum... (Below threshold)
Dan Patterson:

OK den. Let me axe you sumpin.

And the teachers behavior is a surprise because of what, exactly? Logic and reason, and decent language and instruction skills, are no longer common in classrooms in the US. The script was written and has been followed, and the results are all around.

We should not be surprised if a move is soon made to allow for ethnic courts. Why not? What does citizenship mean? We are no longer bound together by common purpose and under a common understanding of individual rights. Just listen to Obama and read his 'mentors' screeds.

Tough times ahead, boys and girls. Tough times.

Dan Patterson
Arrogant Infidel

Really, it is not much diff... (Below threshold)
fg:

Really, it is not much different from the universities.

In the district where my wi... (Below threshold)
dooz:

In the district where my wife teaches and where our kids went through public school, there are many, many fine teachers, but there are way too many like this one, and I believe it's because 1. educational standards were not requirements for them to graduate from high school, 2. academic achievement was not a requirement to graduate from college, 3. hiring standards were placed low enough to hire enough bodies to fill seats. (My state has a competency test which all would-be teachers must pass. Even though it requires not much more than fourth-grade knowledge, I've personally known people who took several attempts to pass it!) Much of this is rooted, I believe, in the concept of "Who cares if Johnny can't read, so long as he believes the right thing."

Every repressive philosophy or government in the history of the world has opposed sound education. In one dictatorship (I once heard), the citizens who wore eyeglasses were among the first to be eliminated--it was assumed they could read, and therefore were a danger.

As tim (#6) said, this has been going on in the schools for years. Why do you think the teachers' unions so oppose No Child Left Behind? Because it requires student learning of basic skills! (And because it requires teacher accountability.) (And why do you think people like Bill Ayers are teaching in our colleges?)

Further, I think the election we just saw was proof beyond doubt that this indoctrination program has been successful. Those who went through the post-education system of indoctrination were very heavily for Obama.

But there are the pesky thinkers still among us. It remains to be seen how Obama will deal with us.

The Thunder Run has linked ... (Below threshold)

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A note on "ebonics": First,... (Below threshold)
dooz:

A note on "ebonics": First, the black American dialect is a legitimate language, but it has not been seen as such in our schools. A child coming to school from a Spanish- or Mandarin- or Korean-speaking home is considered English-Second-Language and is taught English (while getting the tacit message, "Your language is fine, but to succeed in America, you'll need to speak English"). However, a child coming to school from a black dialect-speaking home is essentially told, "You're not talking right." I consider this grossly unfair and harmful.

That said, I have no patience with the alleged advocates of the various groups who want their language to be imposed on American society. The fact is that to succeed in America, to partake fully of the "American way of life", one must speak standard American English. Teaching otherwise is nothing but a trick to hold people down (where the "advocates" can have power over them).

Our teachers should be fluent in standard American English, and should be teaching it to our students. That is our main tool of being one (heterogeneous) American people, and why we're the "United" States of America, as contrasted with the many little nations of Europe, for instance.

Our differing histories, cultures, and languages are what add flavor to this "melting pot", but our success as a nation is built upon the mixing together into one America. We must bring that back and build upon it.

parthenon:That is ... (Below threshold)
Larry:

parthenon:

That is biggest load of garbage you have ever hauled to this blog.

Before I get on your case, I am going to post something:

Larry Lancaster, Chairman
Board of Education
[email protected] - that's three L's.

First of all, Eubonics is one spelling, but the one that is generally recognised is Ebonics, without the U.

parthenon, an occasional lapse into a patois based on language used at home by first generation immigrants, or even isolated groups clinging to their past, is far different from that used by many blacks. That does not include language used by Barack Obama, who is not only well versed in standard English, he uses it with both precision and power.

The purpose and continued use of ebonics is to emphasize the difference in culture rather than to facilitate integration. Ebonics wasn't even recognized until the 1990's, except as slang.

And slang it is.

And the use of "Axe," instead of "Ask," is just plain ignorant, especially from a teacher.

Teachers are meant to teach, not indoctrinate, unless you subscribe to the William Ayers theory of Education. The female teacher in question isn't hanging out, slapping high fives on the street corner, she is a College Graduate charged with the instruction of children.

And as such, she should be responsible for using Standard English as her method of speach.

There is a certain element ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

There is a certain element of the Obama following that is the epitome of liberal fascism.

But this is really pretty pathetic if you think about it--trying to indoctrinate and bully little kids in school.

If this kind of thing continues, you'll see a backlash against The One. She should be fired.

DisgustingSome pro... (Below threshold)
yihdego:

Disgusting

Some progress eh, 30 years ago you'd find the same bullshit minus the black teacher but none of the outrage. Now with the power of the internet we can jump on bigotry sooner.

This is why I voted against... (Below threshold)
mag:

This is why I voted against obama, besides other things....this type of person who worships him....sick.

Boy if this was our child, my husband would have done something not pleasant.

Take this kid out of this school.

dooz, that's a doozy.... (Below threshold)
SAHMmy:

dooz, that's a doozy.

"...First, the black American dialect is a legitimate language..."

A dialect is not a language. The "black american dialect" is SLANG. It is not a legitimate language. It is not proper english and will forever make the speaker sound like they lack education and culture.

It is fine for this woman to say "axe" for "ask" and "den" for "then" in the privacy of her own home. But she is supposed to be an educated professional, and I don't care what color she is, she should at least speak the language correctly.

What a crock.

Some information about this... (Below threshold)
Me_Myself_N_I:

Some information about this teacher...

Her name is Diatha Harris - (not - DiaNtha). She is currently teaching 5th grade at Mary McArthur Elementary School in Cumberland County Schools in Fayetteville, N.C. - the home of Ft. Bragg and Pope Air Force Base.

You send her an email through the school's website here.

Here is the school board's website which encourages comments from the public:

The Cumberland County Board of Education welcomes comments from the public and provides numerous opportunities for citizens to voice their opinions on issues that affect public education.

The Board consists of:
Chair CC Board of Education, Larry Lancaster - [email protected]
Kim Fisher - [email protected]
Greg West - [email protected],
Mac Williams - [email protected],
Helen Farrior - [email protected],
Donald LaHuffman - [email protected],
Frank Barragan - [email protected],
Mary Emily Royal - [email protected],
Macky Hall - [email protected],

Be sure to let this woman and school board know what you think of her educational techniques!

Sheeeee, where be my gas at... (Below threshold)
Piso Mojado:

Sheeeee, where be my gas at? Jes ax me.

Whatchoo spect from a teacher named Diantha?

She done teached them good. They's be all ready for the college work when theys gradiate.

Well Larry, even without yo... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Well Larry, even without your credentials I can tell that you know what you're talking about, and you make some good points. This is a difference of philosophy and there are loads of well-qualified people on either side. I was merely offering the linguist's perspective, that as long as one is communicating, than language is doing the job and there isn't a 'correct' way to speak.

As I said before, the teacher ought to be fired for advocating, and I do agree she ought to be teaching the children in standard American. But you're wrong about the import of grammar rules extending only to the first few generations. Linguistic drift operates on the broad sweep of history, and the forced African immigration of bantu and nilotic language speakers ended only a blink of an eye ago, as far as language is concerned. When I study languages I see this in effect - I'll get the vocabulary down before the grammar rules and, if pressed to speak quickly, will tend to use English grammar rules.

I may have been confused th... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

I may have been confused there... I thought you were posting your credentials as a speaker on the subject. Same first name and all. It was actually a place to send letters of protest (and rightly so!). Ah well, never pretended to be the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Parthenon wrote: Larry, ... (Below threshold)
George:

Parthenon wrote: Larry, linguistically, what we'd term as sounding stereotypically African-American is west African grammatical rules applied to the English language. Just the same way the Pennsylvania Dutch occasionally will use German grammatical rules or...

I live in the heart of Pennsylvania Dutch country (Lancaster County) and I can tell you unequivocally that our teachers do not teach German grammatical rules (except in German language classes, of course). You may hear it on the street but I personally would find it unacceptable to be taught or used by teachers in our schools.

Whatchoo spect from a te... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Whatchoo spect from a teacher named Diantha?

Well, judging by the pejorative racial stereotype you impose in that turd of a comment, it's pretty clear what preconceptions you bring to the table when it comes to African-Americans. Pretty crass, friendo.

the Ebonics nonsense doesn'... (Below threshold)

the Ebonics nonsense doesn't bother me NEARLY so much as the political INDOCTRINATION!

This ALLEGED teacher is more concerned with turning out robots for Obama than educating children under her care!

Parents USED to tell their children: "You listen to what your teacher tells you!!"

Now parents had demna well better add: "...and you come back home and TELL me what they said!"

Chilling observation...and prediction:
notice that she asks who their Parents are supporting! Soon...REAL soon...those same teachers will be asking: "Exactly WHAT did your parents say about President Obama?"

think not? think again!

If I had interviewed that t... (Below threshold)
Tammy:

If I had interviewed that teacher and she talked like that, she wouldn't have gotten the job. Period. It would have had nothing to do with her color. Learn the Queen's English. When she called for the post-mortem on her job interview, that would have been my constructive criticism.

Secondly, but the most important part is the reason for this news article. Mama and Daddy (when he returns from combat) should first ask to meet with the superintendent and the school board and replay this video over, and over, and over. They should then ask (or "axe" in her words) for her resignation. If not granted, then litigation for hate speech towards my child would ensue.

Just illustrating the absur... (Below threshold)
Piso Mojado:

Just illustrating the absurd through absurdity Hyperbol. This teacher is a fine example of how pathetic our government mandated school works.

Teachers should have a command of proper English, but thanks to the NEA and people like William Ayers and you, this what constitutes public education.

Fair trade - maybe those ki... (Below threshold)
Roy:

Fair trade - maybe those kids should teach that woman how to read so she could go get a real job, in exchange for that fine political science lesson.

Child abuse... (Below threshold)
914:

Child abuse

Fair enough. But the same l... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Fair enough. But the same linguistic requirements ought to be extended to Southern white people--for instance, if you once say the word "ya'll" in a job interview, you have no business teaching children anything. Life in the 21st century isn't a William Faulkner novel.

This is absurd. Do we need to have teachers communicate using "neutral" English? Is there anyone who actually believes that such a language exists, or that it ought to exist? Children develop a richer appreciation for their own language when they are exposed to many variations of it. It also improves their own communication skills. If you don't speak Ebonics at home, and your kid's teacher occasionally lapses into it, there is basically a zero percent chance that your kid is going to come home talking like his or her teacher.

parthenon... (Below threshold)
Larry:

parthenon

Larry, linguistically, what we'd term as sounding stereotypically African-American is west African grammatical rules applied to the English language. Just the same way the Pennsylvania Dutch occasionally will use German grammatical rules or a hispanic person will say 'what has' instead of 'what does it have.' Linguists have no problem with the African-American dialect. But English purists have their place, I suppose. :)

Much granted in what you say. I wasn't wrong. I simply failed to communicate in a way that you correctly point out. The English language is fluid. We are not the French, concerned only with language purity to the exclusion of borrowing words that help us communicate and bind us together. English is the most complex language on earth, with over 250,000 words and shades of meaning.

I do disagree that ALL of Ebonics is Afro based. Some of it is simply a desire to be different on the part of speakers; made up words as it were. Listen to recordings of black speech from the 50's and 60's and compare to current black speech.

Language culture is an interesting study. German is particularily useful in terms of the study of science. Cantonese has more profanity than any three other languages. Pudongwa (Mandarin) is a language of bureaucrats; Japanese has two dialics, one for men and one for women and the female version is much more polite and submissive.

English, if properly exploited in school, is a language that helps critical thinking to a degree not found in any other language. The reason is that much of English is borrowed from other languages with roots in Anglo-Frisian with modifications from all over Europe and elsewhere. It is the borrowing from the best of other languages that seems to train the brain in unintended ways. This is sort of like the effect classical music has.

Your use of language stereotypes you.

Using "Axe" instead of "Ask" identifies who you are a person. I object to teaching kids in a non-standard language. This is indoctrination as much as berating a kid for having parents who voted for Obama.

The teacher should, in my o... (Below threshold)
RA:

The teacher should, in my opinion, be fired based upon a blatant misuse of her position to sell her political ideas to kids. Period. That is absolutely wrong. School is the place to get kids thinking, and to bring ideas up--not to shove particular political decisions or ideals down students' throats.

The language issue is another matter.

Larry writes:

The purpose and continued use of ebonics is to emphasize the difference in culture rather than to facilitate integration. Ebonics wasn't even recognized until the 1990's, except as slang.

Not necessarily. Different groups of people all across the country have their own ways of speaking. Ever hear the difference between the accents of New Yorkers vs. Texans? It's there. Why? Because people who live and work in the same linguistic region tend to share patterns of speech. This is called a dialect. Do people from NY speak the way they do just to emphasize their cultural differences? Maybe in some cases, but I would argue that most of them just speak in that particular dialect because that's what they learned. The same can be said of "Ebonincs" or Black English.

And the use of "Axe," instead of "Ask," is just plain ignorant, especially from a teacher.

It is not ignorant. Different phonemes and whole words are pronounced differently across linguistic groups. This is not out of ignorance, as you say, but out of the way that people learn to say a word. In an east coast Bostonian dialect, the word CAR is often pronounced with a soft h-sound at the end, because that's the way that group pronounces it. In my own speech, I pronounce the words "pen" and "pin" exactly the same (these are just a couple examples--out of many--of the top of my head). Some groups pronounce those words differently. Do I do this because I am ignorant, or because I was taught to pronounce words in a certain way?

The overall point is that there is variation in our language...there always has been and there always will be. And there is nothing wrong with that. We all understand each other--for the most part--since these are all dialects of the same language. Although some of the "thicker" accents can be hard to understand, depending on how fast or clearly people speak.

Now, what we teach in schools, and how we manage all of these regional/cultural dialects is another matter altogether.

Hyperbolist writes:

This is a difference of philosophy and there are loads of well-qualified people on either side. I was merely offering the linguist's perspective, that as long as one is communicating, than language is doing the job and there isn't a 'correct' way to speak.

I agree with that. There really is no "correct" way to speak in a linguistic sense. If speech communicates, and people understand the messages, then in an anthropological or linguistic sense, it is functional.

Again, deciding what we teach in schools is completely separate. The point is that we CHOOSE which dialect/version of English we teach in schools. That does not mean that SAE is the ONLY right way to speak.

Here are a couple links to a discussion by anthros and linguists that relates to all this:

Part One

Part Two

Overall, I think people are completely right in being incensed by the way that this teacher was behaving. It was pure political indoctrination, and it was completely wrong. The language issue, however, is somewhat of a red herring. It's a separate issue, and one that I think requires some careful consideration.

hyperYou don't und... (Below threshold)
Larry:

hyper

You don't understand language usage very well, but there is nothing wrong with your ability to think. Here is where you are wrong;

A college graduate should, by the time they graduate from college, be able to speak a nearly correct version of "Standard English" for use in the classroom if nowhere else. This is a part of their professional development.

Teachers set an example. I don't want my kids exposed to Ebonics in class from the Teacher. I also don't want them exposed to political indoctrination like the Obama songfest that made headlines at one point.

Why must you always take the opposite of anything you identify as a conservative says?

Do you really approve of what that teacher did?

Is this the type of person ... (Below threshold)
Doug Smith:

Is this the type of person teaching are kids? She is a blatant racist and hate monger. In addition, how is she qualified to teach anyone, she can hardly speak proper English? Is this the future of the USA under the Socialist Regime of Barack Hussein Obama?

Larry:I d... (Below threshold)
RA:

Larry:

I do disagree that ALL of Ebonics is Afro based. Some of it is simply a desire to be different on the part of speakers; made up words as it were.

You're right in many ways. Ebonics is a combination of elements, from African, Caribbean, SAE, to southern English and others...to new terms that were "made up," as you say, within the group. But new terms specific to a particular speech community are pretty common. I grew up with a bunch of surfers, and we had all kinds of terms that we "invented" (sometimes we weren't as original as we'd thought). Groups do develop and maintain cohesion based upon their own particular uses of language--that's not something unique to speakers of Ebonics or Black English. We all do it.

RA:In response to ... (Below threshold)
Richard Young:

RA:

In response to your question, "yes, you are ignorant." Or was that simply a rhetorical question? Either way, I think you are ignorant and your rantings about accents istotally ridiculous. Ifone choses to talk like an uneducated person from the ghetto, it is likely people will treat them that way. If it looks, smells, and taste like shit..it is likely shit.

RAAgain, ... (Below threshold)
Larry:

RA

Again, deciding what we teach in schools is completely separate. The point is that we CHOOSE which dialect/version of English we teach in schools. That does not mean that SAE is the ONLY right way to speak.

Yes, no, maybe.

Without question, there are English variants all over the place, including those found in Pakistan, Australia, England, Ireland, and regions of the US.

But even within regions, the way you speak and use English identifies you as with or without an education. The use of language and pronunciations "Cue" reactions from the body public in various ways, with SAE providing the most positive reactions in the public forum.

Either way, I thin... (Below threshold)
RA:
Either way, I think you are ignorant and your rantings about accents istotally ridiculous.

Ok. What makes you say that?

RAGroups ... (Below threshold)
Larry:

RA

Groups do develop and maintain cohesion based upon their own particular uses of language--that's not something unique to speakers of Ebonics or Black English. We all do it.

Absolutely correct.

And part of the benefit of English is the ability to invent, borrow and otherwise gain new words.

The purpose of a school is to educate. My point is that education means the teaching and speaking of SAE as a part of that process.

Perhaps I should explain something that influenced me long ago on the subject. When I was in the Army, I had a friend who was able to define almost every word in the dictionary. He was the greatest wordsmith I have ever known.

He was also black. He grew up in Chicago and at one point in this life was mocked because of his language use. Rather than attempt to convert everyone else to his speech patterns, he decided to get better than anyone else in the use of standard English. He read the dictionary like you and I might read a murder mystery. There are several lessons in that man's story.

I learned all I could comprehend.

As an aside, does anyone else get irritated when someone says "Anyways?"

I don't want to lend creden... (Below threshold)
Richard Young:

I don't want to lend credence to your diatribe, but if you think this woman's buthered use of the english language is the equivalent of an accent, you must be smoking crack!

RichardYou missed ... (Below threshold)
Larry:

Richard

You missed RA's point. That said, you are correct that a person's use of language identifies who they are. He didn't really address that issue at all so far as I could tell.

Larry:But... (Below threshold)
RA:

Larry:

But even within regions, the way you speak and use English identifies you as with or without an education. The use of language and pronunciations "Cue" reactions from the body public in various ways, with SAE providing the most positive reactions in the public forum.

I know what you're saying, and I agree with you that SAE has its social and political benefits. It's the "official" language, and that's why it's taught in schools. People who speak that form of English well have certain social advantages. It's true. And that's why it's taught in schools. Makes sense.

My point is that we should not automatically assume that a person is ignorant if they don't speak SAE perfectly. Ebonics, while not the socially or politically preferred version of English, is no less complex or "intelligent" than SAE in linguistic sense.

In this particular case, I ... (Below threshold)
Richard Young:

In this particular case, I think the teacher is actually ignorant. Her inappropriateness and abuse of her position suggests someone who lacks good judgement and is unsophistated. If she spoke perfect standard english, I would say the say thing. Also, I think RA is confusing or blurring the difference between uneducated and ignorant. I concede that just because someone uses so-called Eubonics, it doesn't necessarily mean they are ignorant or lack the ability to learn.

Richard:I... (Below threshold)
RA:

Richard:

I don't want to lend credence to your diatribe, but if you think this woman's buthered use of the english language is the equivalent of an accent, you must be smoking crack!

First of all, do you know what a "diatribe" is Richard? Considering your use of it, I doubt it:

a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism: repeated diatribes against the senator.

(from Dictionary.com)

I used accents to try to illustrate what is going on. Ebonics or Black English is probably more correctly called a dialect though.

Hey Richard--Trust... (Below threshold)
RA:

Hey Richard--

Trust me, I totally agree with you that this teacher is way out of line and severely lacks good judgment.

This is rather fun! ... (Below threshold)
Richard Young:

This is rather fun!

So you had to look that one up? Actually, it also means a prolonged or exhaustive discussion; especially, an acrimonious or invective harangue. I think that accurately describes your attempt to some how convince us that Black English is acceptable in a school setting.

Richard, a diatribe, as bot... (Below threshold)
RA:

Richard, a diatribe, as both definitions point out, refers to something that is either abusive, invective (insulting/abusive), or acrimonious (caustic, abusive, bitter).

Your choice of the word "diatribe" is a pretty poor description of what I wrote. I am not attacking anyone, and am not on here going over the top. I stated what I think, period. Diatribes are generally attacks or insults.

Also, if you read carefully, you will see that I was not defending the use of Ebonics in a school setting. I responding to people who were assuming that people who speak in different dialectical forms of English are ignorant or unintelligent.

Please read what I am writing and try not to jump to conclusions about what I am saying. It's ok to disagree you know...

Ok, I disagree. Black Engl... (Below threshold)
Richard Young:

Ok, I disagree. Black English is a language born out of ignorance and anyone who purposely chooses to use it as a subsitute for proper english lacks sound judgement.

Richard,[I missed ... (Below threshold)
RA:

Richard,

[I missed this above]

You wrote,

I concede that just because someone uses so-called Eubonics, it doesn't necessarily mean they are ignorant or lack the ability to learn.

Cool. Then we agree on that.

Good talking to you, Richard.

I wasn't speaking to the po... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

I wasn't speaking to the political speech, Larry, only to her grammar/vocabulary. Margaret Thatcher does not speak "better" English than Kanye West; she speaks different English.

The teacher was out of line, but not because she was speaking like a black woman.

Me,I emailed Ms. H... (Below threshold)
SAHMmy:

Me,

I emailed Ms. Harris directly and I also wrote emails to everyone on the school board. Thanks for that info!

Ok, I disagree. Black En... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Ok, I disagree. Black English is a language born out of ignorance and anyone who purposely chooses to use it as a subsitute for proper english lacks sound judgement.

Children should be taught 'proper' english only as a practical matter; it will help them in the job world. Otherwise, one is not objectively better; their communicative power is more or less equal. "I be studying" carries the same communicative value as "I am studying." 'Black' English, at least with regard to the 'to be' verb, actually probably carries more, since it allows for the permanent/impermanent usage derived from, IIRC, wolof - 'you making sense' means you are currently making sense, but 'you be making sense' means you have good common sense in a more permanent fashion.

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David:

This is clearly the result of Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright's socialist Arab wealth-sharing agenda blah blah blah.

You right-wingers crack me up.

How about this for a rational response:

This lady is a crackpot and should be reprimanded or fired. She talks like that because she learned to talk that way. None of it has anything to do with Obama at all.

This message brought to you by a clear-headed moderate.

Well said, Parthenon. ... (Below threshold)
RA:

Well said, Parthenon.

Are you studying linguistics right now???

Let the race wars begin! B... (Below threshold)
JP:

Let the race wars begin! Bring it on baby!

No the naive, limp-wristed, liberal (and moderate RINO's) may learn what real life is about. BLOOD IS THICKER THAN...ANYTHING.

I will not accept Barry Hussein and his USA-hating wife in the White House. I have not watched the television news and I will not. The newsmedia is in 24/7 Obama-worship mode and will stay that way for four years.

Liberalism/diversity/multi-culturalism = dhimmitude for Caucasian-Americans.

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Larry:

hmmm.

Actually, Ebonics is a slang language, not a regional dialect. Compared to the depth of SAE, it is not nearly as complex. So from a linguistic sense, it isn't as difficult to learn. Look it up.

I find it amazing that a woman of her years can go all the way through college and be a degreed teacher and still use speech patterns from the ghetto. I would yank my kid out of her class as fast as I could make the arrangements.

And SAE is useful for far more than a job application.

Finally, there is a difference between ignorant and stupid. You can't cure stupid, but ignorance can be fixed if the ignorant is willing and at least acknowledges the problem.

from great mind of Lawrence... (Below threshold)
Nessus:

from great mind of Lawrence Auster.....
View From the Right website:


The aim of liberalism is white dhimmitude

A friend yesterday put into exact words what I had felt on election night and wrote about here. What is it that liberals and blacks want, she asked. What is it about the Obama advent that they are celebrating? It is not racial equality. It is black superiority. It is an America that has been finally torn free from its roots as a European-based country. It is a society in which white people, particularly white men, will be immersed everywhere in a multiracial environment in which they will be subdued, in which they will constantly defer to nonwhites, in which they can never express their own power. Just as the aim of Islam is the political and spiritual subjection of non-Muslims under Islamic rule, the aim of liberalism is the political and spiritual subjection of whites under nonwhite and liberal rule.

It was this condition of demoralization and powerlessness that I momentarily glimpsed, but had not articulated so well, in the hour after Obama's election was announced. And I think that many conservative whites are having the same feeling. They are seeing the final goal of liberalism appear--and in many cases they think it has already been brought into existence--in the election of Obama and in the rapturous celebrations of the "new America" that Obama has wrought. That new America is one in which whites can no longer be themselves, can no longer assert themselves as whites, can no longer express the truth as they see it, but must defer to the new, nonwhite order.

That is what the liberals want to achieve, and that is what, with their triumphalist crowing, they want to make us falsely believe that they already have achieved, so that we will offer them no further resistance.

RA - thanks, and I'm studyi... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

RA - thanks, and I'm studying Africa right now. Linguistics is a hobby and of course one of the primary means of discerning the migrations through Africa of non-literate peoples.

And SAE is useful for far more than a job application.

Of course it is. I never said otherwise, at least not intentionally. But usage grants legitimacy to languages. You may be right regarding your point of complexity Larry, I don't honestly know; I was simply saying that the import of African grammar grants more communicative power than standard English in some specific instances, and I'm hard-pressed to think of a case where it detracts.

I'm trying to avoid knee-jerk reactions of 'west is best' or 'the west is always wrong, and avoid the negative cultural connotations often associated with 'black english' and look at them on their merits.

I hit the keys to Mr. Lanca... (Below threshold)
Newf:

I hit the keys to Mr. Lancaster to express my feelings about this clip.
I am a proud member of the PGR and the GOE.
We stand the flag line honoring those who have fallen protecting this great country. We respect and honor the service to country both home and abroad. We respect and salute our veterans. We love the flag. We love this country. We defend our freedoms. I am a patriot.
This poor excuse for an educator tore this childs self esteem down in a matter of seconds. The confidence she once had that her Dad would be home soon was lost and you could see it in her eyes. How dare this woman. How dare she!
I want to grab that sweet innocent child and cradle her and hug her tight.
The sad thing is this woman will still have a job. It will be swept under the rug.
I'm heartbroken...

Hyper,A teacher, any... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Hyper,
A teacher, any teacher, speaking in a non-standard dialect or patios while teaching, is not doing his or her job very well. Pick a country, pick a language. I am sure a teacher in London would not be excused for speaking in cokney doggerel as part of his class room duties, for example. When I did my student teaching, saying y'all would not have flown. Just like saying shut the light would not be acceptable. Granted, I was teaching English and Lit., but outside of PE class, I can't think of a time where a teacher could use anything but SAE (or the Queens English, etc) without calling their competence into question.
Her little "inquisition" just seals the deal, as it were.

"I be studying" ca... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:
"I be studying" carries the same communicative value as "I am studying." 'Black' English, at least with regard to the 'to be' verb, actually probably carries more, since it allows for the permanent/impermanent usage derived from, IIRC, wolof - 'you making sense' means you are currently making sense, but 'you be making sense' means you have good common sense in a more permanent fashion.

Only if you are familiar with the dialect. Why not just learn to say "You are making sense" or "You make sense"?

Refusing to learn or use the dominant dialect of any language will always result in placing yourself effectively in a ghetto.

Larry,Act... (Below threshold)
RA:

Larry,

Actually, Ebonics is a slang language, not a regional dialect.

I'm not sure where you're getting this from. As far as the vast majority of linguistic and anthropological literature that I am aware of, Ebonics (called AAVE by the academic types) is considered a regional and/or social dialect:

Although there are important differences at many levels between African American Vernacular English (AAVE) and White dialects in the United States (including in such crucial areas as discourse markers), I would like here to briefly outline a few of the most widely documented structural linguistic differences. AAVE is not simply an accent. It differs grammatically from other dialects in important respects. Some of these differences show a striking resemblance to patterns in Caribbean Creoles and West African languages (emphasis mine).

That's from Jack Sidnell at the U. of Toronto.

Compared to the depth of SAE, it is not nearly as complex. So from a linguistic sense, it isn't as difficult to learn. Look it up.

Actually, while Ebonics or AAVE may not be as socially or politically advantageous, it is just as complex linguistically as any other language, SAE included, at least according to people like Sidnell and others who study contemporary linguistics.

Leanne Hinton, a linguist at UC Berkeley, writes:

The notion that there is something just plain "bad" about nonstandard varieties of English is so deeply imbedded in the minds of many people that they tend to believe that children speak Black English out of contrariness, and need to be corrected by punishment. Educators have known better than that for a long time now, and don't want to be disrespectful of African American children's way of speech; but that very respect has left them without a way of teaching standard English. The method being embraced now by the Oakland School Board fills that void. By escaping the trap of thinking of nonstandard Black English as a set of "errors," and instead treating it as really is, a different system, not a wrong one, standard English can be taught by helping children develop an awareness of the contrast between their two speech varieties, and learn to use one without losing their pride in the other.

I don't see the need for ranking one language system or dialect over another. They all work. SAE is more practical and advantageous from a socio-political perspective, but there is no need to denigrate people who speak other dialects.

"You are making sense" or "... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

"You are making sense" or "You make sense" have a temporal dimension to them, whereas "You be making sense" implies that you are the sort of person who makes sense (if I understand Parthenon correctly).

JP, you should move out of the United States because you sound like a treasonous wanker. Go live in Japan or Afghanistan or some other country that values "blood" (race) over character.

Oh, and JP, you're on the <... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Oh, and JP, you're on the fringes of society--a fringe nut, if you will, dangerously out of the mainstream. Un-American, even.

One more Larry:Thi... (Below threshold)
RA:

One more Larry:

This is from Johanna Rubba, PhD in linguistics at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo:

Most linguists would characterize Ebonics as a dialect of English. Some (usually strong believers in the creole hypothesis) claim that, due to its pidgin and creole origins, it is a separate language. All linguists, however, agree that Ebonics cannot correctly be called 'bad English', 'slang', 'street talk', or any of the other labels that suggest that it is deficient or not a full-fledged linguistic system. Whatever kind of critter Ebonics is, from the point of view of grammatical complexity, it is the same kind of critter as what is called 'standard English', 'proper English' or 'correct English'.

The rest of the Q&A on Ebonics is here.

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Grace:

Do not think I am giving this teacher a pass on her appalling lack of judgment, but this type of "indoctrination" is really nothing new. It happened with me when I was told by a wonderful, well meaning young teacher that we as a species were doomed because of overpopulation. She emphatically stated that she doubted the world would last another 20 years. This was in 1965. How frightening that was! My children had the indoctrination in the fine art of tree-hugging, so much so that a classmate of my daughter cried when her father cut down a diseased tree before it fell on the house. This woman sounds stupid, not just because of her appalling use of language, but the actual blindness to the inappropriateness of what she is saying. The biggest problem, as I see it, is that there is no way to get rid of a teacher like this. Once in the system and in the teacher's union, she is pretty much set for life in this profession. They may move her around, but she will not be fired.
Grace

Proud homeschooling mom her... (Below threshold)
maivy3:

Proud homeschooling mom here,

Yuri Bezmenov, a former KGB agent, who defected in 1970 gave an interview about 25 years ago where he describes in detail this very phenomenon. He says it takes about 20 years to demoralize a country as that is the time it takes to get one generation through the school system.


Here's a link to a snippet of that interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHgYPDvQFU8&feature=related

I would encourage everyone to check out the whole thing.

Hyper, exactly. There are s... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Hyper, exactly. There are several shades of meaning; the 'be' could also refer to an idea. A professor of mine lived in Uganda, the Sudan and a few west African states for several years, and he'd hear things like 'you making sense but you not be making sense.' Translation - what you say makes sense in the short term but not in the long term.

We are, at heart, a syncretic nation. We can't be surprised when cultural and linguistic details from other regions become a part of our fabric. As Larry pointed out, our language (like many, many others, the only exception of which I'm aware being mandarin chinese - their word for airport translates literally as 'fly machine place') borrows extensively from others it comes in contact with. As does our culture - Christianity coopting the Saturnalia holiday for the date to celebrate Christmas, etc.

As I said before, I don't mean to knock on English or western culture. I happen to think the borrowing aspect in Christianity and 'black english' is an interesting and positive phenomenon.

what fuck is her problem? c... (Below threshold)
Ramdolph Anderson:

what fuck is her problem? can she not keep her opinions seperate from the classroom? My liberal english teacher has obama poster in her classroom and she doesn't even mention the it at all or even her own support for gbama unless you actually ask her

Barry Hussein is a manufact... (Below threshold)
AnotherRaceWarAdvocate:

Barry Hussein is a manufactured tv image, financed by Oprah and Soros.

Any limp-wristed lib or "moderate republican" who respects a Saul Alinsky, social agitator as President just shows that he has no spine, no self-pride.

Resist the Dear Leader, Prince Obama.

Let the true conservative/nationalist backlash begin!

Hey #72, I assume you're ki... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Hey #72, I assume you're kidding or a DU troll trying to make "conservatives" (or whatever you're supposed to be) look stupid by loose ideological association with yourself.

However, if you're being serious, how do you feel about 66% of the country approving of Obama right now? See the link I posted above for JP, it directs you to a tracking poll and not a mere snapshot so you don't have to take too many grains of salt to read it and understand that Americans a) like Barack Obama, and b) have evolved past the point where your racist lunacy can find purchase in mainstream public discourse.

Your team lost 40-some years ago, but died slowly. November 4th was the death knell. Slink away back under a rock and let the annals of history spare you nary a footnote, sub-human garbage that you are.

hyperbolist is blogging in ... (Below threshold)
JPP:

hyperbolist is blogging in his mommy's basement cuz she pays his bills.....

He's to dumb to realize that Oprah and Soros created and financed Barry Hussein "the magic negro" Obambi.

Barry will not last long....in fact, since he's pretending to "play president" before the innaugeration, the public is even now starting to have buyer's remorse.....boo-hoo Barry.

Wow. You just called Hyper ... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Wow. You just called Hyper dumb. That'd be kinda like me calling Brad Pitt homely. If you ever saw me, that would make more sense.

Seriously. The adults are talking, sport. Run along now.

RA & parthenonMy m... (Below threshold)
Larry:

RA & parthenon

My major was something called "Cultural Psychology and the various permutations as the study evolved have been my hobby all of my life." This was in the early 60's and one of the branches turned into something called "Cognitive Psychology."

One of the early on studies determined that language had major influences on how individuals within cultures learned to think and reason.

If you want some idea of my background, you might want to google or wiki the references.

Now for the meat and potato(e)s of the matter :-)

I am not much impressed by sociolinguistics. I completely understand that a fair group (if not all) of linguists honor the theory that Ebonics isn't slang. I also note the science of Linguistics is every much still in the initial phase of development. I further note that defining Ebonics as slang has monetary disadvantages for some of those involved in the study thereof. Look it up.

You can drag all the expert quotations into the discussion you want and I will look at what they say (again). And then I will disagree as follows:

The origin of Ebonics is a combination of African and Caribbean influenced English that was encouraged into a pidgin speak by the old planter class in the US. You can find similar language development in the underclasses of India, China and Africa that apply to English and a multitude of other pidgen equivilents as they apply to Russian, French and just about any other country's language that had an Empire.

Pidgen language held past the third or fourth generation becomes something that is used by the holders as a point of difference. Of late, Ebonics is held to be equal to SAE under various theories and code speak that those involved in a category of learning use to mystify their discipline.

I am not impressed.

The psychological underpinnings of a Teacher using Ebonics in a classroom setting is based on false pride and more than a bit of hidden self inflicted inferiority complex. This is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

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Larry:


Oh, one other point. I define slang in this case as pidgen language held past the point of necessity. This why I used the term slang so I wouldn't have to go into this long discourse.

But you smart guys made me do it anyway. Also, I had to go back and refresh my memory on the subject. It has been five or six years since I looked at Ebonics as it is, not as it pretends to be.

You wimpy white boys don't ... (Below threshold)
Logan:

You wimpy white boys don't even know when the af-freak-in apes are taking over your country and you sit here debating the validity of monkey-speak.

That teacher is an ape and you can't teach an ape to speak standard English.

hyper #73Why don't... (Below threshold)
Larry:

hyper #73

Why don't you tell us what you really think?

ROFLMAO

Yea, Obama is on his honeymoon. And the endorphins of promise will eventually settle down to "He wants to do what?"

And yea, there are loons who identify with conservatism just as there are loons who do the same with "progressive" politics. I do happen to think that there are more moonbeams on the liberal side, but I have no statistical analysis to back that up. Maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part.

Hyper...Vous êtes ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Hyper...

Vous êtes canadien, ouais? Est-ce que, vous avez appris le français standard quand vous étiez à l'école, ou avez-vous appris le français québécois? Lesquels de ces derniers ont été enseignés, hen? Est-il employé pour les documents officiels? Peut-être ils emploient Cajun, au lieu de cela?

Seriously, people, you are ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Seriously, people, you are getting hung up about dialects, and missing the point of the entire post...the humiliation of a little girl because she didn't subscribe to the Obama groupthink that the teacher expected her to have.

As far as the whole dialect thing goes, well, ever hear a Yorkshire man full on? Yeah, it's English...sort of.

That teacher is an ape a... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

That teacher is an ape and you can't teach an ape to speak standard English.

And, obviously, no one has taught you to be a functioning human. Piss off, and crawl back to DKos.

I am sure a teacher in L... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

I am sure a teacher in London would not be excused for speaking in cokney doggerel as part of his class room duties, for example.

They damned well wouldn't! And I know this personally, thankyouvery much. And that goes double for the students in the classroom. (Unless, natch, you were in a language class)

Of course, that was before "Comprehensive Education"...now, they'd probably be lucky if they can get someone who SPOKE English...

Hey Larry,Looks li... (Below threshold)
RA:

Hey Larry,

Looks like we have another "let's agree to disagree" situation.

Cognitive/Cultural Psych is pretty interesting stuff. It has some relations to anthros who do work in the Human Behavioral Ecology realm. Kinda works on the other end of the spectrum of cultural anth and things like sociolinguistics...and there are good points (and bad points as usual) on each end of that spectrum.

And there are lots of anthro folks who do cognitive anthropology, which has relations to what you are talking about (notice how I am always referring to anthropology crap? what a nerd).

But you smart guys made me do it anyway. Also, I had to go back and refresh my memory on the subject. It has been five or six years since I looked at Ebonics as it is, not as it pretends to be.

Ha. Sorry about that one. Damn internet and blogs! I end up getting sidetracked into small research projects all the time because of stuff like this!

Well...ANYWAYS*...I think we both agree--dialects and slang aside--that the teacher was out of line in shoving her agenda down these kids' throats.

*Ya, I saw that up there. Seeya around Larry.

James C:S... (Below threshold)
RA:

James C:

Seriously, people, you are getting hung up about dialects, and missing the point of the entire post...the humiliation of a little girl because she didn't subscribe to the Obama groupthink that the teacher expected her to have.

Ya, we covered that waaaaaaaay up there before getting seriously sidetracked. The teacher was way out of line, period.

The teacher is an abhorren... (Below threshold)

The teacher is an abhorrent, vitriolic, autocrat who should be removed from the class room.

To the defenders of Ebonics., in the real world people are judged by their command of spoken English in formal settings. Correct pronunciation and use of it by those engaged in teaching especially children is paramount. They will learn by example. Ebonics' only provides people with an excuse to under achieve. It also allows people to feel that blacks are less intelligent and less articulate than others.
Please stop the racism of low expectations.

While some of you go on and... (Below threshold)

While some of you go on and on arguing about who has the proper credentials to speak authoritatively on the subject of linguistics, one person tries to bring the focus of conversation back to the actual subject of the post only to be waved off.

To properly denounce what this teacher did is what I would expect from any decent individual. But that's only half the story. What I've observed here is the equivalent of a group witnessing an assault, declaring how awful it is and then walking off to argue about the brand of knife the assailant used.

The form of English this teacher used and the embarrassment she caused this child (not to mention the deliberate attempt to cause confusion in a child who loves her parents and has now been told they're wrong) are inextricably tied together.

These may be considered separate subjects:

"Ya, we covered that waaaaaaaay up there before getting seriously sidetracked. The teacher was way out of line, period."

...but they're not. Not in this case.

A few days ago someone here said that since Obama's election they feel "vindicated". Think about that.

Vindicated.

No doubt this teacher feels vindicated. She's now actually emboldened to continue to use improper English, robbing these children of a role model of excellence, and to continue to embarrass them and sow confusion in their undeveloped minds because of her political philosophy.

While we argue about ebonics and the Queen's English no one is addressing solutions. What are we going to do about this? This isn't an isolated case.

This is a far cry from a black teacher I had in high school who reprimanded me for using the term "you guys" when I was engaged in a even a minor debate with her. She told me if I ever wanted to be taken seriously, I needed to use proper terminology and pronunciation.

Those teachers are becoming the exception rather than the rule now.

Are we going to continue to elect people into office who would continue to protect this woman's job while we debate the merits of "dis kinda talk"? Vindicate it?

Lots of good stuff O... (Below threshold)
Larry:


Lots of good stuff Oyster :-)

It was the lying as well. On another thread, I noted that black boys had become emboldened and decided to beat up white boys who they claim voted for McCain. That the boys were too young to vote was not mentioned. Teachers who attempted to intervene found the age old excuse, "He started it." That is both a lie and vindictive. You and I are on the same page.

RA

If you choose to let it go at the introduction of "Pidgen" English, so be it. I believe that the teacher should be fired for an assortment of reasons that include her apparent inability to speak SAE. We do agree to disagree.

Oyster,Th... (Below threshold)
RA:

Oyster,

These may be considered separate subjects:

"Ya, we covered that waaaaaaaay up there before getting seriously sidetracked. The teacher was way out of line, period."

...but they're not. Not in this case.

That's your opinion. In my view, the issue of political indoctrination in the classroom and how the teacher speaks are definitely two separate issues. One is a matter of ethics and terrible judgment, while the other is a matter of teaching standards, expectations, and cultural differences.

In the video it seems pretty clear that this happened before election day, so I doubt this teacher was speaking this way, as you assert, out of "vindication". You're taking what somebody said here on Wizbang and imagining that the teacher is feeling the same way. Pure conjecture. Who knows what the teacher is thinking...but please try to refrain from using your powers of ESP to fill in the blanks. You've put together different pieces of information as if they are somehow related.

While we argue about ebonics and the Queen's English no one is addressing solutions. What are we going to do about this? This isn't an isolated case.

This presents a pretty good case for parents being very involved in their kids' education. Parents need to know who is teaching their kids, and they need to know what is going on in the classroom.

Are we going to continue to elect people into office who would continue to protect this woman's job while we debate the merits of "dis kinda talk"? Vindicate it?

Are you suggesting that this is a matter of who we choose as president? I hope not. Don't forget that this teacher was hired and sustained under Bush's watch, which I think is irrelevant anyway. But it's illogical to blame all of this on a guy who was just elected. Nice try though.

This is a local matter. And it should be taken care of at a local level. There's the solution. Write letters, protest, complain, get the teacher ousted. And then pay attention to your kids' education and be an active part of it. School is not something that automatically takes care of kids from first grade to 12th grade.

Larry,Trust me, we... (Below threshold)
RA:

Larry,

Trust me, we disagree. I suppose we could keep up the debate (if that's ok with Oyster), but we might be better of getting started on a co-edited volume that tackles each side of the issue. When we start getting into the methodological and philosophical differences between sociolinguistics and cultural anth on one side, and cognitive psych/HBE/sociobiology on the other, well, we're in for a long long haul.

You tell me ;)

"Are you suggesting that... (Below threshold)

"Are you suggesting that this is a matter of who we choose as president?"

First, I assure you I am not. although the President personifies the top of the chain. This can only be handled by first addressing it on a local level, but it still has everything to do with who we're voting for on that local level.

Second, no, I cannot know what's in that woman's heart, except for what she spelled out plainly and clearly right there on video in front of us. But my suggestion that she feels vindicated has nothing to do with the timing. The standards which these kind of teachers follow, in this case with ill-respect for standards, has everything to do with her avowed choice of politics.

It's teachers like this that vote for liberal politicians that perpetuate and support the very system they operate like this in. They vote for the people that support the union that protects their job for them short of them displaying only the most egregious behavior.

Yes, they're related.

And no, parents are definitely not taking a strong enough interest in their childrens education. That's part of the reason these people get so brazen.

Hyperbolist, I was an Engli... (Below threshold)
Tammy:

Hyperbolist, I was an English major and I am a court reporter by trade--a southern belle court reporter at that. My own accent has been described by others as part Dolly Parton, part Elvis Presley. Most people comment that they find my speaking voice "charming" and even "sexy." Some say it's as warm as Jack Daniels sipping whisky on a cold winter's night. At home I lapse into my Julia Sugarbaker mode and say "y'all" all I want, which is a form of "you all." However, when I'm at work, I'm mindful of my "work voice" which is very professional. My own mother once called me during working hours and didn't recognize me. I said all of this to try to make you understand that a southern accent does not diminish from IQ levels. Grammatical train wrecks are a sure sign of it though. In the alternative, if I ever decide to hang up the court reporting profession, I can set up a 1-900-SPANKME number and make a killing!!

So this one bad teacher is ... (Below threshold)
Palinisevil:

So this one bad teacher is meant to exemplify how Obama won the historic election and how his supporters worked to make everyone hate McCain?

That is the biggest load of crap i've read since i mistakenly logged onto townhall.com by accident.

This teacher is an idiot, that much is true. She should be taken out of school immediately. Just as any teacher that only teaches kids creationism and the Bible, that kind of indoctrination is evil. But don't think for a minute that this is how so many love Obama, that's just grasping for straws in a swamp of hatred.

I think this teacher was fe... (Below threshold)
Carol R:

I think this teacher was feeling a sense of black pride. She was feeling her own self worth. The Obama phenomenon had that effect on many. Sadly, she projected a 'better than thou' attitude. She made someone else feel smaller, less, intimidated. Whites have been guilty of the same behaviours toward blacks.
Too much has been made of the race issue. While I don't like the way she expressed herself, it is a by-product. I don't know her background, but for all intents and purposes she made efforts to better her lot in life.
I think an apology should be made, in front of the class and then...let it go.

I think we need a breather, so here goes.

A farmer in Yorkshire is hailed by a very well to do buisness man. He was driving a state of the art sports car. "Excuse me," he said,
"I'm looking for the turn off to the roundabout. I seem to have missed it. Can you give me directions?". "Oh aye." say's the farmer. "Yer'll 'ave to back track a bit. Yer missed it by 2 moil. Yer'll see a soin on your roit. Yer can't miss it. That car must 'ave set yer back a bit!". "Yes", said the traveler, "I work for Cunard". The farmer puzzled that for a minute then answered, "I work fuckin 'ard too, but oi can't afford a car loik that"...

Now that's dialect...

WHAT!? And, I don't make an... (Below threshold)
Jessye:

WHAT!? And, I don't make any apology ......This is outrageous!! WHERE is this allowed? Apparently, in some backwater district. WHO is this moron? WHY should she be employed with this school after such a misuse of power?! WHEN is this EVER allowed? HOW did it go so far?! THANK YOU for exposing this sham. SHAME ON THIS SCHOOL ROOM BULLY AND HER ENTIRE SCHOOL FOR PROMOTING HER BEHAVIOR. Obviously, NOTHING has changed from when I was a pupil. Revolting!

Ok I do not agree with the ... (Below threshold)
Michael T. Malley:

Ok I do not agree with the way this woman acted or how she spoke in the classroom, nor do I agree with the bus driver and the coach that kicked a kid off a bus in Mississippi for sayin "Obama is our President". They are both very childish, many many adults and children are, both on "the left" and on "the right" and in "the middle" too, that should be obvious to you all. Many teachers, too ridicule their students, and I'm not sure why "the left" or "the right" would have any say in the disciplinary action of this teacher, unless they just so happen to be on the school board or the principal.

wow i just read more of the... (Below threshold)
Michael T. Malley:

wow i just read more of these comments, some of you people typing here seem verrry ignorant.

SHAMmy:di⋅a⋅lect<b... (Below threshold)
Michael T. Malley:

SHAMmy:

di⋅a⋅lect
   /ˈdaɪəˌlɛkt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dahy-uh-lekt] Show IPA Pronunciation
-noun
1. Linguistics. a variety of a language that is distinguished from other varieties of the same language by features of phonology, grammar, and vocabulary, and by its use by a group of speakers who are set off from others geographically or socially.

2. a provincial, rural, or socially distinct variety of a language that differs from the standard language, esp. when considered as substandard.

3. a special variety of a language: The literary dialect is usually taken as the standard language.

4. a language considered as one of a group that have a common ancestor: Persian, Latin, and English are Indo-European dialects.

5. jargon or cant.

Nessus your coment was just... (Below threshold)
Michael T. Malley:

Nessus your coment was just absolutely rediculous, i can't begin to think how you do, yes, maybe there are a few people that want black superiority, but you are totally magnifying a very small minority's feelings as though that is how all of obama's supporters feel. again, rediculous.

First of all, she didn't sa... (Below threshold)
Matthew T:

First of all, she didn't say axe, she very clearly said ask...so you can get a sense of the racial bias of this article, just by reading the transcript with the word axe. My nephew, who is in high school, had 2 different teachers tell him that Obama is a muslim and won't pledge allegiance to the flag. This teacher didn't lie about anything. She didn't pressure anyone, she just wanted to make sure the kids could link a candidate with something that actually affects them - as most children look at campaigns as pure popularity contests.




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