6. Posted by
Bill M | November 9, 2008 6:39 PM | Score: 13 (17 votes cast)
Bill M:
Found votes.....
I wondered where those King County Washington Democrat officials who screwed up the 2004 WEashington Governor's race vote count went to. I see they are safely ensconced in Minnesota. Don't worry. They will undoubtably find many more votes for Franken. Just enough to make sure that he "wins" the election. You just can't keep a good Democrat down, even if they loose.
6. Posted by
Bill M | November 9, 2008 6:39 PM |
Score: 13 (17 votes cast)
The "found 100" ballots was actually a type-o. Instead of typing 123 into the final tally, the person doing entry typed 23. Simple human error and not some conspiracy like the Coleman campaign would have you believe.
Now given that even at 700 (much less 223) is still well below the legally required threshold, the Democrats have nothing to do with the recount.
As for the Washington vote, Christine Gregoire won re-election.
Ben
7. Posted by
Ben | November 9, 2008 7:15 PM |
Score: -17 (23 votes cast)
9. Posted by
Sky_Captain | November 9, 2008 8:21 PM | Score: 17 (21 votes cast)
Sky_Captain:
@ comment 5:
So enlighten us, jp2.
When will this race be over?
It wasn't over on the day of the election, when the voting was completed? or will it be over when the counting is done, and Al Franken has won?
While you are at it, please weigh in on the fairly blatant irregularities of Minneapolis' Elections Director having unsecured absentee ballots in her car.
I would think this mismanagement of ballots should cost her her position.
9. Posted by
Sky_Captain | November 9, 2008 8:21 PM |
Score: 17 (21 votes cast)
10. Posted by
ODA315 | November 9, 2008 8:57 PM | Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
ODA315:
The sad thing is this crap will continue until a bunch of these hacks got to jail and $ is taken out of their pockets. That'd be CHANGE I'd like to see.
10. Posted by
ODA315 | November 9, 2008 8:57 PM |
Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
If the election official who let 32 ballots "rattle around in her car for 3 days" get a slap on the wrist then this will continue...and ACCELERATE!
If she goes to PRISON for several years, then this will STOP.
Very simple really.
She took an OATH as an official. Whether through conspiracy or sheer stupidity she MASSIVELY failed that oath. And yes, whether she mis-placed 32 ballots she should not have had in possession in the first place...or delivered 32 MANUFACTURED votes...she disenfranchised SOMEONE!!
But since nothing WILL happen I would suggest that EVERYONE EVERYWHERE start doing the exact same thing next election.
I am completely serious!
When 4 BILLION people "vote" in the next election, maybe they will start enforcing the "rules".
Until then there are NO rules!!!
11. Posted by
Justrand | November 9, 2008 9:06 PM |
Score: 11 (13 votes cast)
From what I have read so far, the MN voting system is almost 100% optical scan technology. All data must be printed to hard copy and signed (literally) by multiple judges with copies of tapes (the hard copy) provided to both parties at the end of official counting.
Any counting errors would be discovered on the original tapes from the hard drives, which were downloaded and printed, then affixed with a signature from local election precinct judges.
In the accounting vernacular, this is known as a hard close. Any adjustments subsequent to this would be considered extraordinary.
So the stage should be well set should the Dems want to steal the election: they will have to do it in broad daylight and explain the extraordinary votes....such as those found in the trunk of election official automobiles.
MN Republicans have an opportunity here to show the nation if they have the guts to confront a thief.
12. Posted by
HughS | November 9, 2008 9:08 PM |
Score: 14 (14 votes cast)
p.s., the only thing the Republicans lack right now is the MoveOn.Org fueled mindset that "they stole the LAST election...let's steal THIS one!"
Okay...I officially have that mindset. My personal goal is to vote 100 times in the next election...and to get 1,000 people to do the same. That's "only" 100,000 votes, but hey, I'm only one guy!
Of course, the government could start enforcing election laws...in which case I wouldn't NEED to conjur up 100,000 "votes".
time will tell. but for now my faith in our election process has effectively reached ZERO!
13. Posted by
Justrand | November 9, 2008 9:11 PM |
Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
14. Posted by
Brian | November 9, 2008 9:19 PM | Score: -10 (16 votes cast)
Brian:
It wasn't over on the day of the election, when the voting was completed? or will it be over when the counting is done
Races are never over when the voting is complete. Yes, they're over when the counting is done. Or the automatically-triggered recounting, as required by MN law. If Coleman wants to challenge the 32 votes, he can do that, once the counting is done, as prescribed by MN law.
Why are you guys so keen to ignore MN law?
14. Posted by
Brian | November 9, 2008 9:19 PM |
Score: -10 (16 votes cast)
15. Posted by
Brian | November 9, 2008 9:23 PM | Score: -8 (14 votes cast)
Brian:
Any counting errors would be discovered on the original tapes from the hard drives, which were downloaded and printed, then affixed with a signature from local election precinct judges.
That seems to be exactly how at least one of these errors was discovered.
Because St. Louis County is some 7,000 square miles, election officials called in their results election night and followed up the next day by delivering their voting machine tapes. It was the initial call, not the machine tape, that got the vote tally wrong -- human, not mechanical, error.
Something tells me that won't satisfy you.
15. Posted by
Brian | November 9, 2008 9:23 PM |
Score: -8 (14 votes cast)
We can argue political ideology all day, but empirical exercises such as counting votes should be beyond dispute. It appears to me that MN has a good system, or at least we will find out if they do.
Counting votes should be an absolute no brainer. If we have to back to paper ballots with signatures to ensure a fair election then we should do it.
I want to engage my political opponents on policy and philosophy. I do not want to have to worry if the referee is paid off.
16. Posted by
HughS | November 9, 2008 9:34 PM |
Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
Absentee ballots are NOT mailed to the PRIVATE HOME of election OFFICIALS!!
NOT...get it?
Think of the number of ways that
(a) 32 Absentee ballots could have wound up in her possession PERIOD
(b) how those 32 ballots could have wound up in her car for THREE DAYS
Now...think of a way in which the word "Fraud" isn't involved!
17. Posted by
Justrand | November 9, 2008 9:43 PM |
Score: 15 (17 votes cast)
Frankly the idea that she would tell such a story...tells me that is true. Because she would have to be the stupidest person alive to come up with a story like this that wasn't true, and expect anybody to take it serious. And I don't think she is stupid.
That said I don't care what side of the fence you are on, I say let the process play its way out and if you don't like the result suit after the fact and prove your case. Otherwise pointing fingers with no proof, or trying to get a court to stop the process because you suspect something is just as bad as any funny business that is going on...especially if your allegations are unfounded when put to scrutiny.
18. Posted by
G-man | November 9, 2008 10:20 PM |
Score: -1 (5 votes cast)
19. Posted by
Allen | November 9, 2008 10:23 PM | Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Allen:
It seems the Demo's have really learned from Flordia. You know, hanging chads, etc. I didn't think they were that fast learners, but you find out different things every day.
So what else is new?
19. Posted by
Allen | November 9, 2008 10:23 PM |
Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
20. Posted by
coldwarkid | November 9, 2008 10:36 PM | Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
coldwarkid:
I'd trust the results a lot more if I didn't know that Minnesota's election official used to work for ACORN.
Somehow, that makes me cynical about the whole lot of leftist activists. If the mainstream media had done their job during the presidential campaign (as one political editor recently acknowledged he didn't), perhaps ACORN alums would exercise more restraint now. But the socialistic illuminati aren't happy to have the White House and a congressional majority; no, they want, of all people, Al Franken.
20. Posted by
coldwarkid | November 9, 2008 10:36 PM |
Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
G-man: "Frankly the idea that she would tell such a story...tells me that is true."
As long as SHE does serious jail time and NEVER holds ANY government position of ANY kind then I am fine with it either way!
Why so harsh?
Because as an ELECTION OFFICIAL you are entrusted and SWEAR to carefully and dillegently ensure the fairness and accuracy of our election process.
At the absolute BEST this woman was both CARELESS and CALLOUS in the discharge of her duties. If the worst that happens is that someone says: "Golly, ya shoulda been more careful", then the message is sent: THERE ARE NO RULES THAT WILL BE ENFORCED!!
21. Posted by
Justrand | November 9, 2008 10:54 PM |
Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
22. Posted by
Brian | November 9, 2008 11:28 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Brian:
If I'm not mistaken, absentee ballot mailings have the person's name on them. It should be a trivial matter to contact the 32 people and determine whether their votes are authentic.
22. Posted by
Brian | November 9, 2008 11:28 PM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
27. Posted by
OLDPUPPYMAX | November 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
OLDPUPPYMAX:
It sure is a good thing that the MSM is all over this, showing its outrage over the criminal activities of the democratic party and...oh, wait a minute. Never mind.
27. Posted by
OLDPUPPYMAX | November 10, 2008 11:52 AM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
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Comments (29)
Well, hell, fellers, I just... (Below threshold)1. Posted by bobdog | November 9, 2008 5:54 PM | Score: 15 (17 votes cast)
Well, hell, fellers, I just found some misplaced Coleman votes right here in my trunk.
There must be at least 132 votes for Colemena here, maybe more.
How many do y'all need?
1. Posted by bobdog | November 9, 2008 5:54 PM |
Score: 15 (17 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 17:54
2. Posted by Stan25 | November 9, 2008 6:10 PM | Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
How much do you want to bet that they find some more in Randi Rhodes' bra
2. Posted by Stan25 | November 9, 2008 6:10 PM |
Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 18:10
3. Posted by Thurston Moore | November 9, 2008 6:14 PM | Score: -27 (33 votes cast)
Come on. you guys know you have no problems with stolen elections or attempts to steal them.
3. Posted by Thurston Moore | November 9, 2008 6:14 PM |
Score: -27 (33 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 18:14
4. Posted by WildWillie | November 9, 2008 6:15 PM | Score: 14 (22 votes cast)
It is simply incredible the blatant lack of character and class the left shows. ww
4. Posted by WildWillie | November 9, 2008 6:15 PM |
Score: 14 (22 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 18:15
5. Posted by jp2 | November 9, 2008 6:32 PM | Score: -20 (30 votes cast)
Stunning in its ignorance. The race has never been over and has never been called.
5. Posted by jp2 | November 9, 2008 6:32 PM |
Score: -20 (30 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 18:32
6. Posted by Bill M | November 9, 2008 6:39 PM | Score: 13 (17 votes cast)
Found votes.....
I wondered where those King County Washington Democrat officials who screwed up the 2004 WEashington Governor's race vote count went to. I see they are safely ensconced in Minnesota. Don't worry. They will undoubtably find many more votes for Franken. Just enough to make sure that he "wins" the election. You just can't keep a good Democrat down, even if they loose.
6. Posted by Bill M | November 9, 2008 6:39 PM |
Score: 13 (17 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 18:39
7. Posted by Ben | November 9, 2008 7:15 PM | Score: -17 (23 votes cast)
The "found 100" ballots was actually a type-o. Instead of typing 123 into the final tally, the person doing entry typed 23. Simple human error and not some conspiracy like the Coleman campaign would have you believe.
Now given that even at 700 (much less 223) is still well below the legally required threshold, the Democrats have nothing to do with the recount.
As for the Washington vote, Christine Gregoire won re-election.
Ben
7. Posted by Ben | November 9, 2008 7:15 PM |
Score: -17 (23 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 19:15
8. Posted by pvd | November 9, 2008 8:02 PM | Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
Ben: Great. Now she has won one of two of the elections for governor.
Would she have won without incumbancy? Likely not.
8. Posted by pvd | November 9, 2008 8:02 PM |
Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 20:02
9. Posted by Sky_Captain | November 9, 2008 8:21 PM | Score: 17 (21 votes cast)
@ comment 5:
So enlighten us, jp2.
When will this race be over?
It wasn't over on the day of the election, when the voting was completed? or will it be over when the counting is done, and Al Franken has won?
While you are at it, please weigh in on the fairly blatant irregularities of Minneapolis' Elections Director having unsecured absentee ballots in her car.
I would think this mismanagement of ballots should cost her her position.
9. Posted by Sky_Captain | November 9, 2008 8:21 PM |
Score: 17 (21 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 20:21
10. Posted by ODA315 | November 9, 2008 8:57 PM | Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
The sad thing is this crap will continue until a bunch of these hacks got to jail and $ is taken out of their pockets. That'd be CHANGE I'd like to see.
10. Posted by ODA315 | November 9, 2008 8:57 PM |
Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 20:57
11. Posted by Justrand
| November 9, 2008 9:06 PM | Score: 11 (13 votes cast)
Oaths need to have consequences.
If the election official who let 32 ballots "rattle around in her car for 3 days" get a slap on the wrist then this will continue...and ACCELERATE!
If she goes to PRISON for several years, then this will STOP.
Very simple really.
She took an OATH as an official. Whether through conspiracy or sheer stupidity she MASSIVELY failed that oath. And yes, whether she mis-placed 32 ballots she should not have had in possession in the first place...or delivered 32 MANUFACTURED votes...she disenfranchised SOMEONE!!
But since nothing WILL happen I would suggest that EVERYONE EVERYWHERE start doing the exact same thing next election.
I am completely serious!
When 4 BILLION people "vote" in the next election, maybe they will start enforcing the "rules".
Until then there are NO rules!!!
11. Posted by Justrand
| November 9, 2008 9:06 PM |
Score: 11 (13 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 21:06
12. Posted by HughS | November 9, 2008 9:08 PM | Score: 14 (14 votes cast)
From what I have read so far, the MN voting system is almost 100% optical scan technology. All data must be printed to hard copy and signed (literally) by multiple judges with copies of tapes (the hard copy) provided to both parties at the end of official counting.
Any counting errors would be discovered on the original tapes from the hard drives, which were downloaded and printed, then affixed with a signature from local election precinct judges.
In the accounting vernacular, this is known as a hard close. Any adjustments subsequent to this would be considered extraordinary.
So the stage should be well set should the Dems want to steal the election: they will have to do it in broad daylight and explain the extraordinary votes....such as those found in the trunk of election official automobiles.
MN Republicans have an opportunity here to show the nation if they have the guts to confront a thief.
12. Posted by HughS | November 9, 2008 9:08 PM |
Score: 14 (14 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 21:08
13. Posted by Justrand
| November 9, 2008 9:11 PM | Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
p.s., the only thing the Republicans lack right now is the MoveOn.Org fueled mindset that "they stole the LAST election...let's steal THIS one!"
Okay...I officially have that mindset. My personal goal is to vote 100 times in the next election...and to get 1,000 people to do the same. That's "only" 100,000 votes, but hey, I'm only one guy!
Of course, the government could start enforcing election laws...in which case I wouldn't NEED to conjur up 100,000 "votes".
time will tell. but for now my faith in our election process has effectively reached ZERO!
13. Posted by Justrand
| November 9, 2008 9:11 PM |
Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 21:11
14. Posted by Brian | November 9, 2008 9:19 PM | Score: -10 (16 votes cast)
It wasn't over on the day of the election, when the voting was completed? or will it be over when the counting is done
Races are never over when the voting is complete. Yes, they're over when the counting is done. Or the automatically-triggered recounting, as required by MN law. If Coleman wants to challenge the 32 votes, he can do that, once the counting is done, as prescribed by MN law.
Why are you guys so keen to ignore MN law?
14. Posted by Brian | November 9, 2008 9:19 PM |
Score: -10 (16 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 21:19
15. Posted by Brian | November 9, 2008 9:23 PM | Score: -8 (14 votes cast)
Any counting errors would be discovered on the original tapes from the hard drives, which were downloaded and printed, then affixed with a signature from local election precinct judges.
That seems to be exactly how at least one of these errors was discovered.
Something tells me that won't satisfy you.
15. Posted by Brian | November 9, 2008 9:23 PM |
Score: -8 (14 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 21:23
16. Posted by HughS | November 9, 2008 9:34 PM | Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
Something tells me that won't satisfy you.
Actually it will Brian.
We can argue political ideology all day, but empirical exercises such as counting votes should be beyond dispute. It appears to me that MN has a good system, or at least we will find out if they do.
Counting votes should be an absolute no brainer. If we have to back to paper ballots with signatures to ensure a fair election then we should do it.
I want to engage my political opponents on policy and philosophy. I do not want to have to worry if the referee is paid off.
16. Posted by HughS | November 9, 2008 9:34 PM |
Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 21:34
17. Posted by Justrand
| November 9, 2008 9:43 PM | Score: 15 (17 votes cast)
Absentee ballots are NOT mailed to the PRIVATE HOME of election OFFICIALS!!
NOT...get it?
Think of the number of ways that
(a) 32 Absentee ballots could have wound up in her possession PERIOD
(b) how those 32 ballots could have wound up in her car for THREE DAYS
Now...think of a way in which the word "Fraud" isn't involved!
17. Posted by Justrand
| November 9, 2008 9:43 PM |
Score: 15 (17 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 21:43
18. Posted by G-man | November 9, 2008 10:20 PM | Score: -1 (5 votes cast)
Frankly the idea that she would tell such a story...tells me that is true. Because she would have to be the stupidest person alive to come up with a story like this that wasn't true, and expect anybody to take it serious. And I don't think she is stupid.
That said I don't care what side of the fence you are on, I say let the process play its way out and if you don't like the result suit after the fact and prove your case. Otherwise pointing fingers with no proof, or trying to get a court to stop the process because you suspect something is just as bad as any funny business that is going on...especially if your allegations are unfounded when put to scrutiny.
18. Posted by G-man | November 9, 2008 10:20 PM |
Score: -1 (5 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 22:20
19. Posted by Allen | November 9, 2008 10:23 PM | Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
It seems the Demo's have really learned from Flordia. You know, hanging chads, etc. I didn't think they were that fast learners, but you find out different things every day.
So what else is new?
19. Posted by Allen | November 9, 2008 10:23 PM |
Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 22:23
20. Posted by coldwarkid | November 9, 2008 10:36 PM | Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
I'd trust the results a lot more if I didn't know that Minnesota's election official used to work for ACORN.
Somehow, that makes me cynical about the whole lot of leftist activists. If the mainstream media had done their job during the presidential campaign (as one political editor recently acknowledged he didn't), perhaps ACORN alums would exercise more restraint now. But the socialistic illuminati aren't happy to have the White House and a congressional majority; no, they want, of all people, Al Franken.
20. Posted by coldwarkid | November 9, 2008 10:36 PM |
Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 22:36
21. Posted by Justrand
| November 9, 2008 10:54 PM | Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
G-man: "Frankly the idea that she would tell such a story...tells me that is true."
As long as SHE does serious jail time and NEVER holds ANY government position of ANY kind then I am fine with it either way!
Why so harsh?
Because as an ELECTION OFFICIAL you are entrusted and SWEAR to carefully and dillegently ensure the fairness and accuracy of our election process.
At the absolute BEST this woman was both CARELESS and CALLOUS in the discharge of her duties.
If the worst that happens is that someone says: "Golly, ya shoulda been more careful", then the message is sent: THERE ARE NO RULES THAT WILL BE ENFORCED!!
21. Posted by Justrand
| November 9, 2008 10:54 PM |
Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 22:54
22. Posted by Brian | November 9, 2008 11:28 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
If I'm not mistaken, absentee ballot mailings have the person's name on them. It should be a trivial matter to contact the 32 people and determine whether their votes are authentic.
22. Posted by Brian | November 9, 2008 11:28 PM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 23:28
23. Posted by Les Nessman | November 9, 2008 11:44 PM | Score: 0 (4 votes cast)
It should be a trivial matter to contact the 32 people and determine whether their votes are authentic.
Voter intimidation! Disenfranchisement! You racist!!eleventy!!
23. Posted by Les Nessman | November 9, 2008 11:44 PM |
Score: 0 (4 votes cast)
Posted on November 9, 2008 23:44
24. Posted by Greg | November 10, 2008 6:04 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
She is calling someone ignorant? Pot meet kettle. jp2 = FOOL
24. Posted by Greg | November 10, 2008 6:04 AM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on November 10, 2008 06:04
25. Posted by Oyster | November 10, 2008 6:26 AM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
And all this hoopla is over Al Franken?
Al.Franken?
That foul mouthed, hateful Al Franken?
25. Posted by Oyster | November 10, 2008 6:26 AM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on November 10, 2008 06:26
26. Posted by OregonMuse | November 10, 2008 9:12 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, THE Al Franken who is on his way to becoming a United States Senator. Welcome to Bizarro world.
26. Posted by OregonMuse | November 10, 2008 9:12 AM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on November 10, 2008 09:12
27. Posted by OLDPUPPYMAX | November 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
It sure is a good thing that the MSM is all over this, showing its outrage over the criminal activities of the democratic party and...oh, wait a minute. Never mind.
27. Posted by OLDPUPPYMAX | November 10, 2008 11:52 AM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on November 10, 2008 11:52
28. Posted by Spurwing Plover | November 12, 2008 2:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Two words to get those stupid stuborn jackasses to listen CATTLE PROD
28. Posted by Spurwing Plover | November 12, 2008 2:48 PM |
Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Posted on November 12, 2008 14:48
29. Posted by spaceturnip | November 14, 2008 5:13 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Um, I wonder if any of you folks got the memo: THE STORY OF THE 32 BALLOTS IS *FALSE*.
UNTRUE.
DIDN'T HAPPEN.
I wonder if Hannity will acknowledge that. Actually, I don't. I'm certain he will continue to repeat the lie even knowing that it's a lie.
So stop whining about the recount. MN law stipulates that it be done - and if you lose, YOU LOSE!!
Oh, and Christine Gregoire won the WA state '04 governor's race fair & square. Deal with it.
29. Posted by spaceturnip | November 14, 2008 5:13 PM |
Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Posted on November 14, 2008 17:13