You seem to be among the majority of "catholics"....the ones that voted for a man that advocates infanticide. You are right, we have asked the moderate muslims to deny the islamofascists (at peril of their life) and the catholic church should just stop this nonsense about pro-life, join your people and get on with the killing of babies....it is a very profitable business. This priest should never have taken this stand, a stand vaguely similar to two popes and many cardinals, that life is precious and the "catholics" that elected obama should have given that more consideration when they voted.

The quotes around 'catholic' are telling. If you don't want to follow the tenets of the Church, why bother saying you're a member of the Church. I find it impossible to fathom how any real Catholic could vote for Obama, knowing his anti-child record and believe anyone knowing that record and voting to empower him with the ability to make the killing of innocent children a national policy should be excommunicated.

The woman in the hospital story sounds bogus to me, the casual observer.

RF Young writes- "The woman in the hospital story sounds bogus to me, the casual observer."

I'm intimately acquainted with the woman who was hospitalized. In addition I've got the documents from the diocese that were addressed to her when she was in the hospital. Want to take your head out of your ass for one second reread my post and wonder why I wouldn't say this without reason.

Talk shit about the shitty Catholic Church and all the non-Catholic defenders of blastocyst-Americans' right to life come crawling out from under their rocks to stick up for the Papist hypocrites like this Fr. Newman *sshole.

Abortion is one thing that Catholics are supposed to be opposed to. Others include poverty and war--any war. If one candidate says he's pro-choice but anti-war, and another says he's pro-life but pro-war, one must use their own moral reasoning to decide which candidate best represents their views. In other words, they must go beyond the teachings of the Church to find a satisfactory answer to this dilemma.

And the dioceses continue to hemorrhage young educated parishoners, and churches are sold and converted into loft condominiums. Progress. Smells good.

hyperbolist,

You may want to get your facts straight before you attempt to speak for the Catholic Church. You attempted to play the moral equivalence game and failed. Abortion is not just one of many issues. Beyond that there is nothing in Catholic teaching that makes a 100% blanket requirement to oppose any and all wars. Then you got cute and said: "If one candidate says he's pro-choice but anti-war, and another says he's pro-life but pro-war . . ." Those in favor of infanticide like to claim no one is pro-abortion and jump up and down saying others must call you pro-choice. Yet there you go saying the other candidate is "pro-war." Acknowledging that we need a strong military for our nations defense is not being "pro-war." It would be nice if we could all just hold hands and sing kumbuyah (sic) and get along but a realist understands that that it isn't likely.

Jempty,

It is certainly a sad story you tell about a woman whose boss won't pay her medical insurance. However, it is also completely irrelevant to the situation in SC where the priest is advising his parishioners that they should examine their consciences and seek penance if they did something to advance the most prevelant evil in our day.

"...the most prevelant evil in our day."

Really? Awesome! Glad all those far more serious problems--famine, war, poverty, subjugation of women--have been solved, so that we can now turn our attention to the welfare of blastocysts.

Abortion is one of many issues. (How could it possibly be otherwise?) The Church is opposed to war--including the war in Iraq. In fact, the Catholic Church--of which I have first-hand familiarity--is far more anti-war than I think is reasonable. They are pacifists to the extent that they refused to take sides in WW II (which of course meant they were tacitly siding with the Fascists and the Nazis).

It's ridiculous to paint the Catholic Church with such a broad brush because of one incident that you are aware of. The Catholic Church helps the poor all over the world.

Actually the Catholic Church is not opposed to war....if you remember the debate when we were talking to the un about Iraq, the church spelled out when it approved of war. Over a million babies a year are killed in our country by abortion. Now we have a president elect that also advocates killing them after they are born. I believe most Catholics that voted for obama were not aware of his stance on killing babies (at least I hope that is the case). Conservatives believe in teaching people to fish so they can be independent, liberals believe in giving people food so they become slaves for life. The Church is run by people who have faults. The Church also does great good. The priest was correct to inform his parishioners of the beliefs of two popes, many cardinals and the teaching of our Catholic Church, life is precious and they had an alternative to obama....they should have voted accordingly.

How? By telling people in overpopulated, undernourished regions that they should not use birth control? By laundering Jewish treasure plundered in WW II? By covering up a massive pedophilic sex abuse scandal?

Some Catholics surely make the world a better place--including clergy, missionaries, and your everyday believers--but some Catholics work towards making the world worse. Being Catholic does not make one's actions good or helpful, and it does not make one's motives pure.

As for comment #8, it's actually really easy to paint the Catholic Church with a broad brush because official Church doctrine is meant to be universal for all believers and it is publicly available.

A worthwhile post if only in that it demonstrates how little is required, these days of the ascendant fascist and his too-dumb-to-know-they're-lied-to and crypto-fascist supporters, to bring the anti-Christian, anti-Catholic butt-headed bigots from their burrows.

And, RFYoung, for what it's worth, I'm with you. And with Rightwingsaparkle, who also biffed the brainless bigot where it counts.

Blessings - Brian Richard Allen

Yes by all means vote for the candidate who advocated partial birth abortion under all circumstances and call yourself a good Catholic. I think breaking all the commandments and being proud of it doesn't disqualify you as a Catholic, after all just look at Pelosi, Kennedy, and Kerry.

Its fun being a buffet Catholic. It must be wonderful to be able to cast the first stone.