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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism

Well, dissent used to be the highest form of patriotism. Apparently that line of reasoning is so totally, like, 2005. We can't afford to think that way now. This country needs a successful presidency. Do you believe we can achieve a successful presidency by speaking truth to power? No, my friend, to ensure our nation remains strong we need a President who is free to make decisions without being hounded by an adversarial press at every turn.

We need a big, hot, steaming cup of shut your yap.

"Let me just cut you off because I don't want you to waste your question." Obama is easily able to dodge the metaphorical shoe thrown by a reporter with nary a scratch and the reporter is saved from embarrassing himself by putting The One on the hot seat. And Americans get a successful start to Obama's presidency. It's win-win-win.

Obama's already grown in office. The new brush off sounds a lot more presidential than whining, "Come on guys; I just answered, like, eight questions. We're running late." Now it's not about Obama running late. It's about the reporter wasting his question. What a thoughtful gesture!

The press better play nice or Congress and President-Elect Obama will really fix their little red wagon.


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I wish I had the lack of ch... (Below threshold)
pgg:

I wish I had the lack of character to be a liberal Democrat.

Then I could change my principles and standards of behavior like I change my socks - just like they do!

Unfortunately, it's going t... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Unfortunately, it's going to get worse before it gets better. The Feds and the puppets purchased this year's election with no guarantee of economic relief.

Great post, Baron! My quest... (Below threshold)

Great post, Baron! My question is will the Dinosaur, Drive-By, Mainstream, Obama-Worshiping Media get tired of this crap they are getting from The One? Will more reporters actually dare to question The One like this reporter did?

If you were a liberal or ev... (Below threshold)
JFO:

If you were a liberal or even an independent instead of a spittle spewing rightwinger pgg you'd know that Obama was specifically asked by the prosecutor to stay quiet until next week.

But god forbid you extremists would be interested in something like accuracy.

Listening to this eggplant ... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

Listening to this eggplant is friggin painful. I laugh at people who try to claim how intelligent Fauxbama is. Ask him to give directions to his kitchen, and he'd stutter and stumble for 3 mins.

When liberals voiced dissen... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

When liberals voiced dissent and questioned the motives of the government during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, their patriotism was questioned by a bunch of embarrassingly stupid bullies and a mainstream media that enabled them. (Liberal media? Not in 2003.) The war was opposed by about half the people in your country but Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Dick Cheney, and other Very Bad People did a pretty good job branding the opposition as Dirty F*cking Hippies.

And I'm sure you were equally apoplectic then at the stifling of dissent. (Heh.)

jfo -Maybe pgg is ... (Below threshold)
apb:

jfo -

Maybe pgg is referencing Obomber's increasing centrist tendencies - like completing the terrorist purges in Iraq, and NOT increasing taxes on the "rich" - that would certainly be a change in the Zero's principles.

I'd imagine you should be more irritated that Obomber threw his stupid liberal douchebag constituents under the bus with Rev'rund Wright, Pfleger, Ayers, Goolsbee, Power, etc.

apbYou're singing ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

apb

You're singing a tired old song. Get over it Anyone who didn't think Obama would govern from the center is a nitwit. You?

As for the spittle spewing ppg - duh - she was responding to the post - duh, which is about not answering a question about the governor of Illinois.

Come to think about it, no doubt you are a nitwit.

From the Dana Milbank, WAPO... (Below threshold)

From the Dana Milbank, WAPO link.

Obama:
"I would ask for your patience, because I do not want to interfere with an ongoing investigation"

Sound familiar? It should:

Bush, during the Plame investigation/farce:
"We're in the midst of an ongoing investigation, and I will be more than happy to comment further once the investigation is completed."

One is being honest and "transparent'; the other is being secretive and hiding behind Neo-Con curtain of deception!

Seriously, both men are doing as they were instructed. The difference is the reaction by the left and the hypocritical double standard being applied to one man and not the other.

hypergirl -The str... (Below threshold)
apb:

hypergirl -

The strange thing is that 'Dirty F*cking Hippies' are only a subset of the half of the country branded as 'morons.'

The other subsets include Code Stink; assorted socialist douchenozzles; the ever-treacherous Dems in Congress who voted to authorize force in Iraq, then managed to convince the simps in their constituency that 'Bush lied;' moveon; not-in-our-namers; etc.

Their dissent wasn't stifled - it was laughed-at. Those with attention spans greater than a gnat understand the opportunism of the political class, and can see Obomber as a member in good standing. All the 'hopers' and 'changers' just elected a political chameleon that has been granted a free pass - what a bunch of chumps!

I feel better about Obomber for now - looks like he's turning into Bush III, but with the real potential for having staff selections indicted. Pass the popcorn, it's gonna be fun!

jfo -You sound lik... (Below threshold)
apb:

jfo -

You sound like you voted for hope'n'change, but are already backtracking.

Personally, I thought the Zero would apply the hate-spewin', socialist tendencies learned from Wright and Ayers; I am PLEASANTLY surprised to see that he's only a politician that used a bunch of stupid tools to get elected.

No doubt you're one of the stupid tools.

"Com'on guys"... (Below threshold)

"Com'on guys"

"Hypergirl" -- nice, using ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

"Hypergirl" -- nice, using the female gender as a put-down. With such blatantly low regard for women I hope no girls ever have to suffer you as their father, you bilious prick.

Excluding the minority of those who opposed the war who were far left, you are still left with a hundred million people or so who didn't want to invade Iraq, so your litany of lunatics fails to address the point, fool.

Dissent is key to a healthy... (Below threshold)
RA:

Dissent is key to a healthy democratic system, IMO. That was the case the last eight years, and it's still the case now.

People silence dissent on all sides, there is no doubt about that, whether through ridicule, threats, or whatever. It happens throughout the political spectrum, and I don't think that any one party can claim the moral high ground here.

In my opinion, you should be challenging Obama and the Dems--that is a good thing. Questioning those in power is what we all should be doing--we should be paying attention.

Anyone who tries to dismiss or ridicule dissent--whether democrat or republican--is a fool.

Our political system is a nasty thing. While some people on both sides tend to buy into their party line without much thought, I think it's a good idea to always remain skeptical.

That means that conservatives should be skeptical not only of democrats, but of their own politicians, and vice versa for the democrats. AND we should all be smart and respectful enough to listen to dissenting views.

So, in the end, dissent away Baron. That's what we're all here for, right???

I love the lefties acceptin... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I love the lefties accepting of their guy but always branded ours as "evading" or "hiding something" or "secretive". I would call them pathetic, but we all know already.

Dissent is fine. Spewing hatred and falsities to make a so called point is not patriotism, it is childish. ww

"Spewing hatred and falsiti... (Below threshold)
RA:

"Spewing hatred and falsities to make a so called point is not patriotism, it is childish. ww"

Agreed. And BOTH sides are guilty of this crap.

Spittle spewing? Damn, I w... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Spittle spewing? Damn, I was trying for tongue-in-cheek.

Accuracy:My staff ... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Accuracy:

My staff has had no contact with Blagojavich.

My staff has had no inappropriate contact with Blagojavich.

The prosecutor asked me to stay quiet until 8:00pm EST on Christmas Eve when I will be sequestered away in Hawaii.

Survey says?

"Spittle spewing? Damn, I w... (Below threshold)
RA:

"Spittle spewing? Damn, I was trying for tongue-in-cheek."

Well, spittle spewing does have a nice edgy ring to it...

;)

At the risk of being totall... (Below threshold)
BPG:

At the risk of being totally irrelevant here, I was unable to follow the comment thread after reading the word "douchenozzles".

If the President-elect or one of his toadies did something wrong, that will surely come out, just as it surely will if they did nothing wrong.

Knowing Illinois politics, I remain skeptical.

I have to agree. Douchenozz... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

I have to agree. Douchenozzle is a pretty fantastic insult, one I intend to adopt in a spirit of bipartisanship.

BPG, on what basis do you b... (Below threshold)
ke_future:

BPG, on what basis do you believe that if Obama did anything wrong that it would come out?

...Birds of a feather, floc... (Below threshold)
DoninFla:

...Birds of a feather, flock together, to wit... hyperbolist = Douchenozzle. I will forever think "Douchenozzle" whenever I see "hyperbolist". It fits! OTOH, there's no sense insulting douchenozzles like that...

It's not a proper noun, Don... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

It's not a proper noun, Don, you f*cking douchenozzle. Don't capitalize it.

you bilious prick</p... (Below threshold)
Clay:

you bilious prick

Good one, HB. Where shall I send the bill for cleaning coffee off my keyboard?

So sorry, hyperbolist -... (Below threshold)
apb:

So sorry, hyperbolist -

You worthless sack of fat and waste of carbon.

Better?

I certainly didn't mean to demean women, you stoppered little douchenozzle, you. And equating you with any woman could certainly be construed a putdown.

So, sorry to all women who post here.

And as for hyperbolist, you're a meannigless little wanker, first-class.

Obviously, the spelling cor... (Below threshold)
apb:

Obviously, the spelling correction for my previous post would be 'meaningless' - just so that fecal greaseball, hyperbolist, doesn't attempt to show its massive spelling chops.

All fixed, douchebag.

"You bilious prick" is pret... (Below threshold)
BPG:

"You bilious prick" is pretty impressive too - that's two spit drinks in one thread.

ke_future: I believe any wrongdoing on Obama's part would surface - if for no other reason than that a story like that would be too juicy to keep under wraps for long - the human ego would not permit a reporter, ethical or otherwise, from sitting on it.

**CORRECTION** "...the huma... (Below threshold)
BPG:

**CORRECTION** "...the human ego would not permit a reporter, ethical or otherwise, to sit on it."

My apologies to the gramatically hypersensitive masses. ;)

I believe any wron... (Below threshold)
I believe any wrongdoing on Obama's part would surface - if for no other reason than that a story like that would be too juicy to keep under wraps for long - the human ego would not permit a reporter, ethical or otherwise, from sitting on it.

Today is December 17, 2008. Welcome back from your state of cryogenic stasis. Here are two years' worth of newspapers.

I'd have to agree that our ... (Below threshold)
Chad:

I'd have to agree that our current journalists(I don't have the heart to call them press, as that implies actual reporting) will give THE ONE a complete pass. Compare/contrast the last 8 years with the 8 prior to that. The Arkansans got away with (literal?) murder, while President Bush gets derided, slandered, and rudely demonized every day. Yes, the Clinton's did have negative articles in the media, but only when it was pushed by the few reporters that still had some ethical fibers left. In my opinion, the fair and honest press went out the window about 1955.

Mr. Treacher,I'm a... (Below threshold)
BPG:

Mr. Treacher,

I'm a pessimist at heart. When the glow wears off Obama - when his policies start looking oddly similar to the ones he ran against - I would not be surprised to see all kinds of interesting allegations cropping up.

I did not mean to suggest that the "fair & honest press" would run a story contrary to the Obama Is All Things to All People narrative - rather that the press, such as it is, would suddenly turn on their candidate if it was in their interest to do so.

EASY WAY TO MAKE SURE OBAMA... (Below threshold)
Ted:

EASY WAY TO MAKE SURE OBAMA NEVER GETS INAUGURATED (READ CAREFULLY):-

Since the Supreme Court has now prevented itself from acknowledging the question of whether Barack H. Obama is or is not an Article II "natural born citizen" based on the Kenyan/British citizenship of Barack Obama's father at the time of his birth (irrespective of whether Barack Obama is deemed a "citizen" born in Hawaii or otherwise) as a prerequisite to qualifying to serve as President of the United States under the Constitution -- the Court having done so three times and counting, first before the Nov 4 general election and twice before the Dec 15 vote of the College of Electors -- it would seem appropriate, if not necessary, for all Executive Branch departments and agencies to secure advance formal advice from the United States Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel as to how to respond to expected inquiries from federal employees who are pledged to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States" as to whether they are governed by laws, regulations, orders and directives issued under Mr. Obama during such periods that said employees, by the weight of existing legal authority and prior to a decision by the Supreme Court, believe in good faith that Mr. Obama is not an Article II "natural born citizen".

so lets see... im trying to... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

so lets see... im trying to find some substance in this post...

obama has been asked by the attorney general not to answer certain questions, and so he's dodging them?

and obama, back in march, is peppered with questions about rezco (a desperate clinton red herring which never bore any fruit) and patiently answers 8 while real issues go undiscussed, and so he's dodging them?

thats all ya got? hehehehehehehehehh.............

oh you poor bu$hie dead-enders. if you ever want to even glimpse the reins of power again then youre gonna have to sharpen your critical thinking skills a great deal. america is done with such dopey wordplay

** palin 2012 - let freedumb ring **

Dissent is only patroitic w... (Below threshold)
Smiles:

Dissent is only patroitic when the government has done something to warrant it, otherwise it is just partisan bickering. Obama has not even taken office yet and was specifically asked by the attorney general to keep quiet. So stop your bickering.

Can't wait for the O... (Below threshold)

Can't wait for the Obama Enemies List.

Barry,It is sad th... (Below threshold)
Smiles:

Barry,

It is sad that you fel that way.

Smiles, you have to underst... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Smiles, you have to understand. Most of us are committed to show the same support or greater for Obama that the left showed to GW from day 1 in 2000. There is no sense of fairness anymore. ww

Clay: high-minded men such ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Clay: high-minded men such as ourselves need an array of high-minded insults in trying times such as these. Send the bill to:

hyperbolist
c/o Stephen Harper
First igloo on your right once you pass the Wal-Mart,
Ottawa,
Canuckistan

Smiles, you have t... (Below threshold)
Smiles:
Smiles, you have to understand. Most of us are committed to show the same support or greater for Obama that the left showed to GW from day 1 in 2000. There is no sense of fairness anymore.

So what your saying is you won't give Obama a chance. Your commited to express your disent for Obama before he takes office, just because some on the left were critical of how Bush actually ran the presidency. Disent for this reason is un-patriotic.

Suppose you had a neighbor that throws a loud new years eve party and keeps you awake. Then he moves out and someone else moves in. Would it be in your sense of "fairness" to throw a loud party the next year, just because your previous neighbor did?

That, Smiles, is one of the... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

That, Smiles, is one of the more clever analogies I've read in some time. Not sure it's unpatriotic to express dissent against Obama simply because a majority of Americans did so when Bush was in office, but it surely is idiotic.

Hyper, canada needs you to ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Hyper, canada needs you to help straighten out their problems. Stay away from ours.

Smiles, it was not "some" on the left. It was an immediate effort to diminish GW's presidency. Get your head out of the sand. The left made the rules, they have to now play by them. ww

Smiles, it was not... (Below threshold)
Smiles:
Smiles, it was not "some" on the left. It was an immediate effort to diminish GW's presidency. Get your head out of the sand. The left made the rules, they have to now play by them.

It was not imediate but a result of the Bush administration's "your either with us or against us" and "to the victor goes the spoils" mentality.

If Obama spoke like that I could understand your hostility. Both are statements made by the Bush Administration.

Hyper, canada need... (Below threshold)
Smiles:
Hyper, canada needs you to help straighten out their problems. Stay away from ours.

We live in a global economy "our" problems affect Canada. Plus our "soutions" to the Middle East's problems have increased Al Qaeda recruitment which in turn is now Canada's problem.

Smiles, the "selected, not ... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Smiles, the "selected, not elected" illegitimate presidency, smirking chimp, Alfred E. Neumann crap was in full throat by the time Bush was inaugurated. He was never given a chance.

I don't necessarily agree that turnabout is fair play, but it would be nice to see the media stop fellating Obama and live up to their status as self-anointed protectors of the public trust.

"He was never given a chanc... (Below threshold)
max:

"He was never given a chance."

Bullshit. Prove it.

Max,Re your commen... (Below threshold)
Harmon:

Max,

Re your comment: Google is your friend. I was on a mission trip in the back county of Haiti in Nov-Dec 2000 and even there I heard about this stuff starting up. By the way the rural Haitians were quite amused by that election and its aftermath.

WildWillie: what problems a... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

WildWillie: what problems are you referring to? The voicing of dissent? Are you senile or retarded? (You can be both, if you don't feel like choosing one over the other.)

Smiles: thank you. Some of your countryfolk are apparently ignorant of the fact that we share a continent, have a mutually critical economic relationship, etc.. And they seem to think freedom of speech is a right only for those people who live in the United States, which shows that they fail to understand what the word "right" means. (Looking at you, WildWanker.)

Anyway, Baron, if you think the media is fellating Obama right now, you're nuts. For complying with Fitzgerald's request, one would think (based on what the media are reporting) that the POTUS-to-be is obfuscating and preventing the guy from doing his job, when in fact they're being totally compliant.

Smiles, the "selec... (Below threshold)
Smiles:
Smiles, the "selected, not elected" illegitimate presidency, smirking chimp, Alfred E. Neumann crap was in full throat by the time Bush was inaugurated. He was never given a chance.

You have a valid point. There were a significant amount of people on the left that felt way. Others on the left (and right) came to dislike Bush gradually, after giving him a chance. It is easy to find people on the left and right making absurd statements. Too often on this site people point out such statements and use it to characterize all democrats. People that think that way tend to have a distorted view of the world. (I'm not accusing you of doing so)

Congradualations on being picked as one of WizBangs authors.

Just a suggestion:
It would be refreshing to see an author write some truely informative articles. Articles can be informative and even promote a point of view without being attackful. Maybe even offer praise to democrats when they deserve it.

Smiles, tell that to Hooson... (Below threshold)
Chad:

Smiles, tell that to Hooson and Ward.

DONOFRIO/WROTNOWSKI IS NOT ... (Below threshold)
Ted:

DONOFRIO/WROTNOWSKI IS NOT DEAD -- IT IS AIRTIGHT - THE SUPREMES KNOW IT BUT ARE AFRAID TO ACT -- SO THE EXECUTIVE AND/OR THE PEOPLE WILL DO SO -- EASY WAY TO MAKE SURE OBAMA NEVER GETS INAUGURATED -- HERE'S HOW (READ CAREFULLY):-

Since the Supreme Court has now prevented itself from acknowledging the question of whether Barack H. Obama is or is not an Article II "natural born citizen" based on the Kenyan/British citizenship of Barack Obama's father at the time of his birth (irrespective of whether Barack Obama is deemed a "citizen" born in Hawaii or otherwise) as a prerequisite to qualifying to serve as President of the United States under the Constitution -- the Court having done so at least three times and counting, first before the Nov 4 general election and twice before the Dec 15 vote of the College of Electors -- it would seem appropriate, if not necessary, for all Executive Branch departments and agencies to secure advance formal advice from the United States Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel as to how to respond to expected inquiries from federal employees who are pledged to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States" as to whether they are governed by laws, regulations, orders and directives issued under Mr. Obama during such periods that said employees, by the weight of existing legal authority and prior to a decision by the Supreme Court, believe in good faith that Mr. Obama is not an Article II "natural born citizen".




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