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O-Bomb-a's First "Crisis"

In a sign of a possible return to Cold War contentions, the AP reports as follows:

Russia Building 70 New Nuclear Missiles

Monday, December 22, 2008

MOSCOW -- Russian news reports are quoting a senior government official as saying the military will commission 70 strategic nuclear missiles over the next three years.

They quote Vladislav Putilin as saying the government has decided to spend about 4 trillion rubles, or $141 billion, on new weapons over the next three years.

He was quoted as saying after Monday's Cabinet meeting that the money will buy 70 strategic missiles and 30 short-range Iskander missiles among other military hardware.

The number of missiles mentioned by Putilin indicates the government's intention to significantly increase the tempo of rearming Russia's Strategic Missile Forces.

Putilin is a deputy head of the Cabinet's military-industrial commission in charge of weapons industries.

One of Putin's puppets, Putilin seems to be flexing his petro-dollar fueled muscles in what can only be deemed a provacation to the West's interests, specifically toward the U.S.

Could this be the "crisis" which Saint Joe predicted would occur within the first 6 months of an Obama administration?

Interesting this occurs as the new adminstration is ready to be ushered in. Will Obama back down on placing a missile defense shield in Eastern Europe?

Our Commander in Diapers has some big-boy stuff with which to contend, and he's no Jack Kennedy.

That cut in defense spending sounds a little nearsighted now, huh Barney



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But wait! Didn't ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

But wait!

Didn't Saint Ronald The Great single handidly and alone with no other help of any kind WIN the"Cold War "? Does this mean the history books must be changed? That his sainthood will be revoked?

I can hear and see the weeping and the gnashing of teeth amongst the wingnuttery now.

"I can hear and see the ... (Below threshold)

"I can hear and see the weeping and the gnashing of teeth amongst the wingnuttery now."

That's because you can hear yourself shrieking while you're looking in the mirror.

Will Obama back down on ... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Will Obama back down on placing a missile defense shield in Eastern Europe?

Let's hope so, it's a GD waste of money in the $$billions. Why should the US build missile defenses for wealthy Europe?

Also, with decoys and enough missiles, the warheads will always get through. "Missile defense" has never passed a realistic test with decoys and countermeasures. As the story indicates, it also encourages a nuclear arms race, because the other side can always build more missiles.

Anyone else see desperation... (Below threshold)

Anyone else see desperation in this 'announcement', given oil's drop to

"Putin's Russia, which so recently threw its weight around by invading Georgia, faces perhaps the biggest hit of all to its economy. Producing 10 million barrels per day, Russia will be hit the hardest by the collapse of prices. (Again, do the math: Assume Russia budgeted at $60 oil prices and the price drops to $40. $20/barrel x 10 million barrels per day x 365 = a $73 billion annual shortfall). With a GDP of only about $1.4 trillion, Russia faces the loss of about 5% of its economy. And Russian oil production has dropped by one million barrels per day for each of the past two years. With prices at rock bottom and nationalization an ever-present threat, who is going to invest in increasing Russian production?"

Assuming that this is not a... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Assuming that this is not a violation of a treaty with the US (Is it? I don't know, and you don't say.), what would you have Obama do?
And what's with the gratuitous disrespect? "Saint Joe"? "Our Commander in Diapers"? What are you, ten years old?
Maybe you're right, and this is a "provacation" to the incoming "adminstration".
Maybe you're right, but I doubt it.

Just last week there were n... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Just last week there were news stories about the need for the US to upgrade it's own nuclear weapons, not as part of any cold war with Russia, but to make them both safe, and yet reliable if needed. Nuclear warheads have a limited life of about 20 years. There was a 100 million dollar project in last year's budget to begin the process, but it didn't get funded. Russia may just be replacing some of their old warheads. Anyway, 70 more warheads makes little difference.

Shawn, these posts suck, un... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Shawn, these posts suck, unless you think provoking liberals by saying stupid shit about Barack Obama counts for quality blogging.

Mac Lorry is right. What's 70 missiles? Oh noez, now they can blow up teh Errth 101 times over!!! I is for real scared now!

And even if this were an attempt at provocation--and there's no reason to assume it is--Obama will probably do the right thing instead of appeasing the armchair general reactionaries.

Here's a fun analogy. Picture 16 year old Vlad and Barry outside their high school. Vlad is lifting weights like a convict in a prison courtyard while Barry is having a cigarette with his girlfriend in his convertible.

Putin: "I'm lifting weights so that we can fight! The loser will be blinded for life and his dick will be mailed to his parents!"

Barry: "Hey, sounds fun Vlad. How about you keep doing your thing, and I'mma go get me and the ladyfriend here some cheeseburgers. Peace out."

There's a way to deal with retards, and trying to out-retard them is rarely the best course of action, Shawn. Missile shield? Pfft. Stupid waste of money.

"Putin: "I'm lifting wei... (Below threshold)

"Putin: "I'm lifting weights so that we can fight! The loser will be blinded for life and his dick will be mailed to his parents!"

Barry: "Hey, sounds fun Vlad. How about you keep doing your thing, and I'mma go get me and the ladyfriend here some cheeseburgers. Peace out.""

Yeah. That "let's-just-ignore-global-threats-in-the-hope-they'll-just-go-away" strategy worked so well for us in WWI and WWII.

heres the issue: russia has... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

heres the issue: russia has been working in concert with china and iran to end american dominance ever since bu$h decided to abuse it far past the point of practicality. in 2003 they announced they would work towards a "multipolar" world as a direct challenge to the US, in the face of bu$hs unilateral warcrimes

in other words, bu$h cashed in all of our chips for his own camp's gain. we will all pay the price, and obama has that much more of a challenge ahead of him

But you keep posting your r... (Below threshold)
lowmal:

But you keep posting your responses to them.

Merry Christmas, hype!

I am always a bit amused at... (Below threshold)
Rick Caird:

I am always a bit amused at the high dudgeon coming from the left.

We have one guy wondering if the missile shield is a violation of treat. No, Bush exercised the right to withdraw from the treaty.

Another guy thinks we are installing a missile shield for "wealthy" countries and they should develop their own No, Poland is not wealthy and, besides, the US is the only one with the technology.

I particularly liked the guy who claimed it would not get all incoming and so we shouldn't try to get any. At least he isn't still complaining that we can't hit a bullet with a bullet. Apparently we can. So, now the mantra is that we cannot get them all. But, all may be one or two not 2000. Iran, for example, does not have MIRV capability. The missile defenses have been shown to work. Deploy them.

Rick

no rick - one guy wondered ... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

no rick - one guy wondered if RUSSIA is violating any treaties. an other wondered why europe shouldnt pay for its own defense

unfortunately our missile defense technology is very immature and is probably a decade away at very best from being adequately deployable, even if the military-industrial complex want some fat SDI contracts today

Well, I guess the messiah a... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Well, I guess the messiah and chief needs to sit down with Putin and talk him out of this.


"Vladamir uhhhh I'm concerned uhhhhhh you might uhhhh be uhhhh considering uhhhhhh.....will some uuuhhh body turn on uhhhh the teleprompter uhhhhhh"

unfortunately our ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
unfortunately our missile defense technology is very immature and is probably a decade away at very best from being adequately deployable, even if the military-industrial complex want some fat SDI contracts today.

That seems a lot like the tactic the democrats use to oppose domestic drilling. Last July they were saying it takes a decade to produce any oil so it won't help prices now. Of course, they have been saying that for nearly 30 years. It's just an excuse to not drill. It's the same with the missile defense. Detractors say it's not perfect now, so we should stop work on it.

In my opinion we should continue working and improving the missile defense shield and deploy the first generation soon. It seems 0bama has come around on his thinking on this issue and supports some further development. Perhaps he knows that, given the successful tests to date, he'll take the blame if he kills the project and the US eventually suffers a missile strike or is even blackmailed by such a threat from a nation like Iran or NK.

The missile defense is not intended to defend against Russia and there's no need. We have M.A.D. to deter Russia, but it only works against nations with sane leaders.

Rick & peabody -I ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Rick & peabody -

I believe it's better to put out SOMETHING that works - even if not 100%, or even 50% -against a forecast, credible threat than to ignore it and slowly work towards something more capable to be eventually made and deployed when all the testing is completed and all the particiapants sign off and everything is perfect.

Fine - so it's not perfect. Say 4 missiles are fired - one at London, one at Paris, Madrid and Berlin.

With no missile shield in place, you lose all 4 cities. Not guaranteed, of course - QC and mainteance in ME military hardware seems to be pretty shabby. But let's figure all work, and work right. Therefore... Boom, Le Boom, El Boom, and Hochkonjunktur. Uh, that's what 'boom' translated out to in Babel Fish...

After 9/11, it's been estimated that trillion dollars of net worth vanished out of the world economy. And that was a small area of New York - much less than a square mile.

How much worse would it be to lose any of the above cities - much less all four? How much would it affect the world economy?

Can you honestly argue, peabody, that it is better to stay completely disarmed in the face of such a threat while trying to work on a perfect system, than to deploy incomplete protection while still trying to improve what you can do?

You know you have to laugh ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

You know you have to laugh at wingnuts like ODA making fools of themselves mocking Obama's speech. This,after 8 years of an illiterate boob who couldn't string together 2 comprehensive sentences in a row.

im not a dem but i do in fa... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

im not a dem but i do in fact oppose drilling for some similar reasons, i.e. i think its being driven by the profiteers rather than good decision making

i do think we should continue developing missile shield tech, which will happen anyway and theres no big risk of that getting killed. but im against any kind of deployment while the tech is in the state its in now and i think most of the detractors feel the same

russia is dead-set againt the program and would do anything it can to stop it, i thnk mainly because it would rally the cooperation of so many nations together against russia in a strong and basically military pact

Peabody - you said... "... ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Peabody - you said... "... but im against any kind of deployment while the tech is in the state its in now and i think most of the detractors feel the same"

And I repeat - "Can you honestly argue, peabody, that it is better to stay completely disarmed in the face of such a threat while trying to work on a perfect system, than to deploy incomplete protection while still trying to improve what you can do?"

WHY do you think we shouldn't deploy a system that works, even if imperfectly, while still continuing for something better?

[email protected]: That wou... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

JFO~

@16: That would be "speeches", and the big boys behind the scenes wouldn't have it any other way.

jlawson - to clarify some m... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

jlawson - to clarify some more, im saying it really wouldnt help matters to throw an unready system out there, especially when its deployment would have an earthshattering impact of its own on the political climate

only russia can hit the cities you mention, and they arent going to in todays circumstances. once we gear up a multinational consortium of states that are banding together and positioning themselves in opposition rather than peaceful cooperation with them, i would say the system better work much better and/or there should be at least a distantly forseeable threat to counter. deploying now would draw some very deep lines in the sand that dont need to be there yet. it only takes small nudges to get things going in the wrong direction, and this would be a big shove

i admit the math is fuzzy but we stand to create a new cold war that would make the world a more dangerous place IMO

and as i said, i believe we... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

and as i said, i believe we should absolutely continue to actively develop the tech for it regardless

LaMedusaMuc... (Below threshold)
JFO:

LaMedusa


Much like Bush, you make no sense.

russia is dead-set... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
russia is dead-set againt the program and would do anything it can to stop it, i thnk mainly because it would rally the cooperation of so many nations together against russia in a strong and basically military pact.

I expect 0bama will defuse the missile defense issue with Russia by withdrawing it from eastern Europe in exchange for some face saving concession by Putin. I'm fine with that and think Bush might have done the equivalent of a "bridge too far" in trying to bring NATO to Russia's doorstep.

As for deploying the missile shield too early, well I disagree. I think we should deploy it to protect the US as soon as it's capable of defending against a launch from Iran or NK with even a 50% probibality. Why? Because even with that limited capability it protects against some rogue military element taking control of a few missiles and using them to either start a broader war or blackmail the US with them. It also raises the stakes for nations such as Iran and NK as they cannot know if any of their limited number of missiles would get through should they decide to launch an attack.

Once deployed the missile shield can be improved steadily and quietly, and thus, generate more and more uncertainty in the minds of despots who would use such weapons against the US. As far as sharing the technology; with Israel for sure, but let Europe pay for their own defense.

Russia's planned and contin... (Below threshold)
SillyPuddy:

Russia's planned and continued rebuilding is something worthy of coverage, but hyperventilating about this minor announcement of 70 refreshed nukes, and a handful of other equipment that has been discussed and previously budgeted for years ago by Putin as some sudden Crisis is milking this for way more then it's really worth.

The missile shield issue is a serious one but mostly unrelated to Russia doing a refresh on some of her stockpile.

As already mentioned we're almost overdue for replenishment of our own missiles, the question is will Obama fund our replenishment needs and will him liberal chums in the congress let him do so with it wrongly being labeled a 'return to the cold war'.

jlawson - "to clarify some ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

jlawson - "to clarify some more, im saying it really wouldnt help matters to throw an unready system out there, especially when its deployment would have an earthshattering impact of its own on the political climate"

Thanks for the clarification on your point. I tend to disagree - the system IS ready, if not perfect, but I'll agree that ANY implementation, no matter how effective, will have a significant geopolitical impact.

But so will a nuke fired - that could have been stopped by the missile shield system. It won't matter at that point how perfect or imperfect it is - the international outrage that we DIDN'T try to have even a partially functioning system in place will be incredible, and the cost almost incalculable.

In other words, peabody - i... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

In other words, peabody - it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. We'll get slammed if we put one out, and if we don't and a city get nuked - WE will be the bad guys, not the nuthead nuke-tossers.

jlawson - the path isnt cle... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

jlawson - the path isnt clear yet, and i believe it will become more so with still enough time to act accordingly. the threat of iranian/NK long range or ballistic missles is still calculable at many years off, and continuing to arm against them may simply guarantee they do the same against us. you may argue that it must be that way no matter what but i wouldnt agree

Much like Bush, yo... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Much like Bush, you make no senseJFO~

Allow me to clarify: The politicians have no authority in office. They do what they are told by the illuminati and are deceived into believing they are really getting something out of the deal. If you don't believe the illuminati exist, then you are way past denial and want to live in the dream world that says you have freedom of choice in this world. Snap out of it and stop coming here to earn your quota of obtuse comments. You don't even know what a neocon is, otherwise you would know what I am talking about. Stop thinking the politicians care about you, and start using your reasoning. Your life depends on it.

Screwed up the blockquote. ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Screwed up the blockquote. Oh, well.

And JFO, stop acting stupid... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

And JFO, stop acting stupid just to annoy people.

pea[brain]3000 - "in th... (Below threshold)
Marc:

pea[brain]3000 - "in the face of bu$hs unilateral warcrimes"

You written that dozens of times (at least) and as yet failed to outline them.

Care to, you do you just concern yourself with lobbing BDS talking points?

pea[brain]3000 continues - "russia is dead-set againt the program and would do anything it can to stop it,..."

Really. Do ya think?

If so you're as clueless about this subject as many others.

Putin is not only not "dead-set" against them he offered a nearby location to place them.

Clueless is thy name!

Were I the Russians, I woul... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Were I the Russians, I wouldn't be counting those petro dollars until they've been deposited.
Oh, and don't look to ol' Hugo to be making his military aid payments on time in the foreseeable future.

There will be plenty more w... (Below threshold)

There will be plenty more where this came from. Obama is not prepared in the least.
http://www.rightklik.net/

LaMedusaSpeaking o... (Below threshold)
JFO:

LaMedusa

Speaking of stupid but definitely entertaining.

Do you really believe you've actually been taken up into a mother ship to meet those "illuminati" who control our leaders?

Sheesh man you need medication.

No state actor is going to ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

No state actor is going to launch nuclear warheads at another state. Jeeeebus. And the missile shield won't work so quit pissing away billions of dollars of public dollars on it.

Jason, are these little tidbits of wisdom meant to encourage people to read your blog? Or just to reinforce people's opinion of you as an inane parrot?

My brother's girlfriend dau... (Below threshold)
mag:

My brother's girlfriend daughter (brillant) went to school to learn Russian as part of her Russian/International studies. This school she went to teaches our military, CIA etc.
And she said the most important languages to study for the last couple of years have been in this order: Russian, Middle-Eastern languages, and Chinese. Interesting.

Very entertaining how the l... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Very entertaining how the left always thinks people with nukes won't use them. I am 99% sure they won't, but that one percent is kicking my ass. ww

"No state actor is going to... (Below threshold)
SillyPuddy:

"No state actor is going to launch nuclear warheads at another state. Jeeeebus. And the missile shield won't work "

Naive on the first, uninformed on the second.

wow marc - i guess you fail... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

wow marc - i guess you failed to notice that the article makes my two main points, namely that russia is and has been opposed to the shield, and that its mainly because of the fact that deploying it in europe would create too strong of an alignment among those states, just as i said above

which also proves that i have a nuanced undertanding of the issues, and that you, well you kinda sorta know how to read

i hope you asked santa for some clues! LOL

a) A state actor will never... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

a) A state actor will never start a nuclear war with another nuclear power. It's inherently irrational and there are no inherently irrational state actors. Even the Iranian and North Korean leadership are interested in self-preservation.

b) If they did start a nuclear war, what the hell is the point in planning for it? The missile defense shield will not work (sorry all you Reaganite Trekkies), especially if Russia launched a thousand warheads simultaneously. Do you think they'd only launch two or three? Seriously, what is the f*cking point in planning for armageddon? You can't mitigate a nuclear winter.

Hyperbolist:A s... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Hyperbolist:

A state actor will never start a nuclear war with another nuclear power. It's inherently irrational...

And the way Amafriggindinnerjacket has been behaving is the epitomy of sane behavior? Or the threats against that evil arch-enemy of Iran, Israel, can be seen as rational?

Hyper - I think you're projecting your own ideals for rational behavior on a foriegn culture that has completely different ideas and standards of rational behavior. (After all, honor killings are a norm, so is the stoning of adulterers, hanging of homosexuals and the like.)

During the Iran-Iraq War, the Ayatollah Khomeini imported 500,000 small plastic keys from Taiwan. The trinkets were meant to be inspirational. After Iraq invaded in September 1980, it had quickly become clear that Iran's forces were no match for Saddam Hussein's professional, well-armed military. To compensate for their disadvantage, Khomeini sent Iranian children, some as young as twelve years old, to the front lines. There, they marched in formation across minefields toward the enemy, clearing a path with their bodies. Before every mission, one of the Taiwanese keys would be hung around each child's neck. It was supposed to open the gates to paradise for them. . At one point, however, the earthly gore became a matter of concern. "In the past," wrote the semi-official Iranian daily Ettelaat as the war raged on, "we had child-volunteers: 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds. They went into the minefields. Their eyes saw nothing. Their ears heard nothing. And then, a few moments later, one saw clouds of dust. When the dust had settled again, there was nothing more to be seen of them. Somewhere, widely scattered in the landscape, there lay scraps of burnt flesh and pieces of bone." Such scenes would henceforth be avoided, Ettelaat assured its readers. "Before entering the minefields, the children [now] wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves." . These children who rolled to their deaths were part of the Basiji, a mass movement created by Khomeini in 1979 and militarized after the war started in order to supplement his beleaguered army.The Basij Mostazafan--or "mobilization of the oppressed"--was essentially a volunteer militia, most of whose members were not yet 18. They went enthusiastically, and by the thousands, to their own destruction. "The young men cleared the mines with their own bodies," one veteran of the Iran-Iraq War recalled in 2002 to the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine. "It was sometimes like a race. Even without the commander's orders, everyone wanted to be first." . The sacrifice of the Basiji was ghastly. And yet, today, it is a source not of national shame, but of growing pride.
There's something quite rational about such a mindset, wouldn't you agree? But it's not rational thinking as WE would determine it - where life is something to be conserved as much as possible.

What you determine to be rational behavior on the part of a state shouldn't be taken as the gold standard - the other state has it's OWN ideas on the subject, and they're going to follow THOSE - not what your belief system implies they should do. I'd be really cautious about thinking they wouldn't start a nuclear war - because their view of 'winning' might be much different from yours.

What's up with the blasted ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

What's up with the blasted blockquotes any more? If you leave a space between paragraphs, you /dump the blockquote. You used to be able to put a . between them, and that worked okay to keep the spacing - but now THAT doesn't work. Let's see if this works out...

This is a test.

This is a second paragraph, with one line in between the first and the second.Looks good in preview... but...

Yep - THAT didn't work.... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Yep - THAT didn't work.

Frustrating trying to use blockquotes around here....

jlawson - while ahmedinijad... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

jlawson - while ahmedinijad is a miguided guy, for instance he doesnt believe there are any homosexuals in iran, i wouldnt characterize him as insane based on what ive seen. so how do you judge him to be insane?

Do you really beli... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Do you really believe you've actually been taken up into a mother ship to meet those "illuminati" who control our leaders?

No one said anything about a "mother ship", JFO. Refresh my memory. Did you not say you were a zionist? Here is your "mother ship", the bunch who has been stealing the American's money since 1913 and how they did it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ueEfRXZCVA
Oh, and here is another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FPAQlbmlSc

Oh, and if you are just another shill for these guys, you're a dumb one. Don't think these people give a sh*t about you and your distraction.

LaMedusaPlease, pl... (Below threshold)
JFO:

LaMedusa

Please, please get back on your meds. No, I did not say I was a zionist.

He's not sane by MY standar... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

He's not sane by MY standards, Peabody - your standards may vary. He HAS threatened Israel with nuclear destruction - which doesn't make me look kindly on him. He has said he was enveloped in a green glow when he addressed the UN, and all eyes were fixed on him with no blinking - now, it could have been one hell of a case of stage fright, or he's pretty well edged into megalomania. He's to the point where his own mullahs are trying to marginalize him - which means he's either got too much political/military power for their liking OR he's going beyond the bounds of what they consider rational behavior - neither of which bode well for the long-term good of Iran.

Add missile-borne nukes to the mix, and you've got a situation of some concern...

Oh, one more thing re sanit... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Oh, one more thing re sanity in the ME.

WE don't get to decide what's sane, rational, or ethical behavior for other nations or cultures. We can observe, we can try to modify seriously self- (and internationally -) destructive ideas and behavior through political, diplomatic, and military means - but in the long run it's the local state actors who'll decide their own futures.

And their interests and desires are not guaranteed to coincide with anyone else's, or match up to OUR ideas of rationality. After all - look at Zimbabwe. Mugabe's followed his own 'rational' thinking - to results that have worked for him and his cronies, but not for anyone else in the country, and decidedly not for the long-term good.

But to HIM - his ideas were rational.

i think youre adopting a gr... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

i think youre adopting a gross exaggeration when you say he "threatened Israel with nuclear destruction"

he once quoted khomeini who had said that isreal should vanish from the pages of time, which is a common phrase in their language. that was translated to "wiped off the map" and then re-translated into a nuclear threat

i didnt hear about the green glow thing but without having checked it out it does sound a bit nutty

As one of the uninformed, I... (Below threshold)
Rich:

As one of the uninformed, I keep wondering about the countries that the missile shield is supposed to help. Do these countries have any say in the matter? Is Bush just telling them that we want so much of their land for our own system and interests? I never hear if they are the ones demanding the system be placed in their country. Is placing the system in their countries the price for helping the U.S. in the war? If this is the deal Bush made isn't Obama obligated to keep that promise? Russia can be pissed off at us,but these are independent nations with their own interests.

pea[brain]3000 - "wow m... (Below threshold)
Marc:

pea[brain]3000 - "wow marc - i guess you failed to notice that the article makes my two main points, namely that russia is and has been opposed to the shield, and that its mainly because of the fact that deploying it in europe would create too strong of an alignment among those states, just as i said above"

No... you failed. As most peabrains do.

"just as i [you] said above," Putin was "dead set" against any missile shield being deployed in Europe.

You were provided definitive proof of your complete cluelessness.

Unless of course you are also clueless that the country of Azerbaijan is part of Europe.

And that may be highly likely.

"LaMedusaPlease, p... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"LaMedusa

Please, please get back on your meds. No, I did not say I was a zionist."

Cool. Then we are clear about that. You did manage to ignore the rest of my response to your question, though. Even the comments about the meds shows how much you are in denial.

You have a Merry Christmas.

hyper - "b) If they did... (Below threshold)
Marc:

hyper - "b) If they did start a nuclear war, what the hell is the point in planning for it? The missile defense shield will not work (sorry all you Reaganite Trekkies),"

Reaganite Trekkies?

Wow, that's so.... so, 1980s.

Try to keep up will ya, the current missile shield as designed, and it's proposed deployment in Poland and the Czech Republic, has zero to do with anything Reagan envisioned in both design and concept.

Quit reading Pravda, it will only confuse you.

marc - your post is self-co... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

marc - your post is self-contradictory and i feel like im arguing with a three year old. sheesh......

There's actuall a valid ex... (Below threshold)
JFO:

There's actuall a valid explanation for "lawyer" marc acting like an asshat - he's inhaled too much carbon monoxide.

oops - actually... (Below threshold)
JFO:

oops - actually

pea[brain]3000 - "marc ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

pea[brain]3000 - "marc - your post is self-contradictory and i feel like im arguing with a three year old. sheesh......"

Care to explain how?

Nevermind, fat chance to expect that from someone who's proven once again very able to pull a patently false statement out of his/her/it's "nether-regions" and continue to act as if nothing happened.

Critical thinking, or quietly skulking out of a thread when made a buffoon of is NOT your strong suit.

JFO - "There's actuall ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

JFO - "There's actuall a valid explanation for "lawyer" marc acting like an asshat - he's inhaled too much carbon monoxide."

Assuming that's correct, which it's not, what's your excuse for being a despicable mini-troll who spends most time here crafting (and I use the term very lightly) one or two sentence posts containing less substance than a carnival balloon?

"lawyer"marc:And y... (Below threshold)
JFO:

"lawyer"marc:

And your 3 sentence comment in #57 is what? And your last sentence in #53 is what? And your comments in # 51 are what? See also every response to someone with whom you disagree.

Asshat.

JFO. - ignored.... which f... (Below threshold)
Marc:

JFO. - ignored.... which far more than he/she/IT deserves.

(Hey look.... a one sentence comment)

We signed all those treatie... (Below threshold)
Spurwing Plover:

We signed all those treaties with the then USSR and they violated every one of them so why should we abide by any stupid treaties the russians wont keep up to




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