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Princess Caroline seems to have, um, you know, blown it

The latest episode in the Caroline Kennedy something-or-other Schlossberg soap opera is her New York Times interview, published this past weekend, where she repeatedly used the phrase "you know," which is a fundamental building block of speech for college athletes, but apparently quite unbecoming for a member of American royalty who is also potential US Senate material.

But she is still a Kennedy, and a die-hard Democrat. Why is the press suddenly picking on her? Why aren't they busy building the fairy tale narrative, highlighting her connection to "Camelot," her years of public service and her strong support for Barack Obama's "hope and change," and firmly standing behind her?

I think -- I hope -- the answer has something to do with Gov. Sarah Palin, and the nasty way that she was manhandled by the press immediately following her nomination as John McCain's running mate. Never before has contemporary America witnessed such a thorough trashing of a political candidate within such a comparatively short time frame.

Perhaps the press now realizes (much to their dismay) that they have created a somewhat monstrous precedent that they will be expected to follow. Almost from the moment that Mrs. Schlossberg's maiden name was floated as a potential Senate nominee, conservative watchdogs demanded that she be probed and questioned to the same extent as Gov. Palin. There was a brief honeymoon period, to be sure, but when the press finally began asking her some relatively hard questions, she conspicuously underperformed. Some are calling the NYT interview her "Roger Mudd moment."

While the press has not run Mrs. Schlossberg through the wringer nearly as viciously as Gov. Palin, their pedantic obsession Mrs. Scholssberg's verbal tics seems to indicate that, at least for the time being, she has fallen off the radar as a potential Senate nominee -- even as a Kennedy, even as a Democrat.

And it would be almost an understatement to say that Democrats as a whole have been under-impressed with Mrs. Schlossberg. This is probably the most striking contrast between Mrs. Schlossberg and Gov. Palin. Even though Gov. Palin was ripped almost on a daily basis by the press, Republicans never soured on her; in fact, the worse she was treated by the press, the stronger her support among Republicans became. Republicans, the natural adversaries of the press, saw its loathing of Sarah Palin as a badge of honor. On the other hand, when a Democrat loses the support of friends in the press, it's all over.

That pesky word Schadenfreude ... it just keeps popping up, doesn't it?


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The worst words any Democra... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The worst words any Democrat can hear when trying for public office is to hear other Democrats say "I'm behind you 110%".

You guys should just give h... (Below threshold)
Paul_In_Houston:

You guys should just give her a chance.

See Iowahawk's latest:

Senora Kennedy Is Make Very Good Senator.

:-)

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Dems need to realize that t... (Below threshold)
Pretzel Logic:

Dems need to realize that these are important jobs. People with backgrounds like community activist, Presidents wife/tea party hostess or bored housewife aren't really good backgrounds, especially in times like these.

Republicans never soured on... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Republicans never soured on Palin? Are you on crack?

Leave Caroline Schlossberg ... (Below threshold)
Piso Mojado:

Leave Caroline Schlossberg ALONE!

The idiots of NY who vote for higher taxes deserve their royalty dictating how much money they can keep for their shacks in the Hamptons.

New Yorkers deserve a Kennedy just like they deserve Bloomberg and Clinton, Spitzer, et al.

Pull your head out of Dan R... (Below threshold)
John S:

Pull your head out of Dan Rather's ass for a moment and look at the enthusiastic crowds Palin still draws. After a couple years of Hussein Hoover and the Carter Congress, she'll be drawing even bigger crowds.

Piso, what happens in NY, u... (Below threshold)
Pretzel Logic:

Piso, what happens in NY, unfortunately effects many of us and the country as a whole.

Why, isn't the name K... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Why, isn't the name Kennedy a symbol of political quality, just like the union label was an indication of fine workmanship in both the garment and auto industry? Without that name in your lineage, there's no indication of ANY competence in your political aspirations!

How dare we NOT give her all the praise and glory and stature due her as a fully qualified - nay, absolutely exceptional! - member of that illustrious political clan? After all, isn't political ability a hereditary thing?

/sarc, if you really need the tag...

The great wise canadian Hyp... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The great wise canadian Hyper speaks. If he says one thing, expect the other. ww

You are SO correct Hyper. T... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

You are SO correct Hyper. The same party elite in Washington wanted Harriet Myers for SCOTUS. This group wanted "shamnesty". They also thought the Dubai ports deal was the way to go as well.

Yep, their power over us redneck, bible thumping inbreds was all encompassing.

I heard just the opposite, ... (Below threshold)
Pretzel Logic:

I heard just the opposite, that's why her husband left!


http://www.instantrimshot.com/

Never confuse Hyperbolist w... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Never confuse Hyperbolist with the facts


Word came this weekend that a new USA Today-Gallup Poll found that the 44-year-old Palin, a mother of five, is the nation's second-most-admired woman, behind only Hillary Clinton and ahead of someone named Oprah Winfrey.

"She has no support amongst... (Below threshold)
Brad Schwartze:

"She has no support amongst the party elite in Washington, and it is the party elite who will determine the future of the party. You expect technocratic moderate Republicans to ever support someone like that? You're smoking crack too."

Apparently, you are someone who is slowly coming to the realization that Sarah Palin has won by losing. All she has to do over the next 2-2.5 years is make herself known to good Republicans everywhere. Not to mention, the rest of the nation.

Whatever can be said of the "party elite," nearly all of them, to a person, know that there's no way the "next in line" known as Mitt Romney can be anywhere near viable in '12.

I was just going to write a... (Below threshold)
A.D.:

I was just going to write an article about this! Great job!

Well, I for one certainly h... (Below threshold)
jmc:

Well, I for one certainly hope Republicans have not soured on Palin. I would love it if she ran against Barack Obama in 2012. In fact, I highly encourage Republicans to pick a canidate who is looked at unfavorably by just more than half of likely voters, I think that is a great idea.

Maybe in the debates she'll answer a question I have long wondered about Putin as well. The question is, not how does Putin flying over Alaska count as Foreign Policy experince; but instead, why in the heck would he fly over Alaska to Washington when the Atlantic is the shorter route?

The great wise ca... (Below threshold)
jmc:
The great wise canadian Hyper speaks. If he says one thing, expect the other. ww

That is so true, like when Hyper said barack Obama would beat McCain... what an idiot. President elect McCain was always going to win hands down. Whedre does that crazy canadian come up with this stuff ww?

Look, Governor Patterson is... (Below threshold)
Bob:

Look, Governor Patterson is searching for someone who's a reliable Democrat, and Princess Caroline of Kennedy fits that description to a tee. If he appoints someone else - like someone who has a brain or can at least utter an articulate sentence - the new junior Senator from New York might (a) stand a better chance of winning "reelection" in 2010 and (b) might advance the Democrat/liberal cause. As a Republican, I'm cool with Senator Princess. There is the Article I, Section 9 Constitutional argument, I suppose (No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States), but if Hillary can get past her own Article I, Section 6 problem (No Senator ... shall, during the Time for which he [or she?] was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time), the I'm sure the Princess will have no real obstacle to her ascension to the Senate.

Good to see hyperbolist her... (Below threshold)
apb:

Good to see hyperbolist here, with its big flapping head and beady eyes.

Unfortunately for us, the "party elite" on both sides of the aisle are in it for themselves - notice the only 'change' so far is that the Pres-elect's staff are being investigated before he's even in office; a new low!

The test of the party 'elite' won't be another moron Kennedy - it'll be whether they seat Roland Burris as Blagojawick's Senate tool from Illinois.

Im guessing they called ace... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

Im guessing they called ace pilot and cokehead JFK Jr the good Kennedy, because they all knew his older sister sounded like an NBA lottery pick.

Never confuse Hyperbolis... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Never confuse Hyperbolist with the facts...
Word came this weekend that a new USA Today-Gallup Poll found that the 44-year-old Palin, a mother of five, is the nation's second-most-admired woman

You ought to check out the full results before touting them so gleefully. Palin is at 11%. Good enough for second in this poll, but hardly a national treasure. Heck, Laura Bush is tied with Angelina Jolie at 2%!

Brian, in an open field of ... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Brian, in an open field of 74 names, being number two is still pretty good, especially considering that she was unknown just a few months ago.

Thanks for the full results... (Below threshold)
epador:

Thanks for the full results, Brian. W rated over the Pope, Bill Clinton and the Dalai Lama. At 5%.

Regarding the populist poll... (Below threshold)
apb:

Regarding the populist poll, I couldn't help but note that the poll stated "A remarkable 32% of Americans choose Barack Obama as the man they most admire".

Which should mean an even more remarkable 68% didn't. Astounding.

Republicans never ... (Below threshold)
Republicans never soured on Palin?

A small, but vocal, minority, mainly East Coast blueblood Republicans, certainly did sour on her, or, actually, never liked her to begin with. But Republicans in general? I don't think so.

Which should mean an eve... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Which should mean an even more remarkable 68% didn't. Astounding.

Astounding? That's an extraordinarily low number. When Bush was at this point, his "didn't" number was 95%, Clinton's was 85%, and Bush 41's was 91%.

hyper - "So you're sugg... (Below threshold)
Marc:

hyper - "So you're suggesting Republicans never soured on her, John? Even her f*cking running mate couldn't conceal his contempt for her by the end of the campaign."

While some did they were a small but vocal minority.

But I have to ask, you're gonna have to provide linked quotes to prove McCain "couldn't conceal his contempt" for Palin.

Marc, of course McCain didn... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Marc, of course McCain didn't outright say "Shut up, Sarah," or "Sarah, you're an idiot," but that one interview where he attempted to speak for her before she cut him off was pretty telling. (She was asked about their divergent views on whether or not they ought to conduct anti-terror military operations in sovereign nations.)

McCain would not say that he would offer his support for her were she to run again on the Republican ticket.

And enough of his staff went apeshit on her after the election that his public admonishing of most/all of them was insufficient to convince me that he actually had so little control over his staff as to prevent them from badmouthing his former running mate to the media.

As for Palin being picked by more people on that list than Oprah, well, I think an awful lot of her supporters are the type of people who hold open disdain for any woman who could be described as even remotely feminist, so forget Oprah, Hillary, and any celebrity. It's a stupid poll. Here's another unscientific poll you might find interesting: unless I'm reading this wrong, this reporter is citing a poll from late October that shows that 59% of the general population did not think she was qualified to be Vice President.

All this talk of qualifications and experience aside, the conservative wing of the GOP needs to face the facts: their views on abortion and homosexuality are not going to bring any new voters into the party, and so a social conservative like Palin is hardly the person needed to pull the party back from the brink of irrelevance.

max, the Wild One has had a... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

max, the Wild One has had a thing for me for some time. It's 50/50 flattering/weird. I don't think I've ever had so many arguments with one person without ever being wrong.

jmc, I also predicted 58-59 Senate seats for the Democrats and Willie said no more than 56. I guess that's because I'm a stupid liberal Canadian whereas he's obviously so dang enlightened.

Back to the topic: this woman doesn't really have any business being a Senator. She did shit-all for the Democratic party during the lean years under Gingrich and then after 9/11. Of course she'll win the statewide election, but would it kill the governor to appoint someone to the Senate who has actually done something for the party?

Any nit who chose Palin in ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Any nit who chose Palin in the poll shouldn't have the right to vote in an election. Never has one person been so incredibly unready and uneducated and so ignorant to assume the mantle of the executive branch in this country since, well, W.

hyper - (from your like) <e... (Below threshold)
Marc:

hyper - (from your like) " McCain said he has "the greatest appreciation for Gov. Palin and her family, and it was a great joy to know them."

"She invigorated our campaign" against Barack Obama for the presidency, he said."

Doesn't sound like disdain to me.

You can play your game all you care to, the reality is no one operating within the confines of a sane mind is going to say with any certainty who they would support in a presidential campaign that's 3 years away for an election that's 4 years away.

It sure does, but ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
It sure does, but not in the way you think.

max, stop pretending you "know stuff" with just one sentence. Hugh is right when he says you are a poseur, with all of your "crush" crap. Palin is in the same "controversy" boat as every one else, so I don't expect her to do anything but continue to put on her media show.

I don't know a lot about Caroline, but JFK and RFK got a bad rap because they were willing to stand up against the CIA. They are the ones who murdered the Kennedys because they knew who was trying to turn the U.S. into a police state. As a result, their human fallacies got the spotlight to reduce their credibility. That is a well-known fact if you do enough research. JFK jr was murdered because he was going to go after the guys that killed his father. As far as Caroline is concerned, she would be best off staying out of the public eye altogether, unless she decided to go to the dark side.

That's a hell of a... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
That's a hell of a conspiracy theory you got goin' there. You could fill a freakin' library with all the stuff you "don't know a lot about."

"Swimming in schadenfreude", and yet you cannot specify exactly what you mean, nor can you disprove anything in my comment. Unfortunately for you, there are people that think beyond the comments in this blog and are willing to come up with their own answers. The only thing you have managed to prove is what people already know. That would be how disgusting and dishonest you already are, max.

Someday, I would like to se... (Below threshold)
James H:

Someday, I would like to see a candidate who merges all the great speech ticks into one:

Bob Dole talking about himself in the third person. John McCain's "my friends." Carolina Kennedy's "You know." Joe Biden's ability to anesthetize a cow at forty paces.

Wouldn't that be grand?

It would be an improvement.... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

It would be an improvement.

As long as Kennedy meets th... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

As long as Kennedy meets the standards required by the constitution she is qualified. People are always complaining about professional politicians, yet it seems that those are the only people that people want in power.
The problem with this process is giving the governor of any state the sole power to appoint someone, who is not subject to a public vote. I believe we should just have special elections to fill these vacant seats. Even when Senators were appointed it was by a state legislatures so they had to campaign for the office. This should be a call for special elections.

We interrupt this flame war... (Below threshold)
Occam's Beard:

We interrupt this flame war to point out that contra this:

The question is, not how does Putin flying over Alaska count as Foreign Policy experince; but instead, why in the heck would he fly over Alaska to Washington when the Atlantic is the shorter route?

the polar route is much shorter than that over the Atlantic. Which is why NORAD radars look north, not east.

Let the flame wars resume.

"So this - you kn... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"So this - you know, these aren't folks who are working for me," Obama said. "They're not people you know, who I have assigned to a job in a future administration and, you know, ultimately my assumption is that, you know, this is a discreet task that they're going to [be] performing for me over the next two months."

Then Presidential nominee Barack Obama made this manner of communication totally acceptable as he attempted to justify his appointment of Jim Johnson as head of his Vice-Presidential search team - June 10, 2008

You know? So why are they griefing on poor Caroline?

max, your desperat... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

max, your desperation with verbal assaults only reveals the fact that very few would come near you
In real life. Who would? I imagine you know many people that "don't exit". Kind of makes your question consistently nonsensical, doesn't. I wouldn't expect anything else from you.

*doesn't it?... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

*doesn't it?

also, *"don't exist".... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

also, *"don't exist".

I just wanted to add one more thing, max. You were much better off lying about what a casanova you were when you first came to this blog. Now that you have demonstrated what a charmer you really are, everyone knows you lied about that, too.

Hyperbolist, did you read w... (Below threshold)
Rose Hughes:

Hyperbolist, did you read what you wrote before you printed it? I often disagree with you but rarely do I laugh out loud at your "logic" as I did with this post.

Marc, of course McCain didn't outright say "Shut up, Sarah," or "Sarah, you're an idiot," but that one interview where he attempted to speak for her before she cut him off was pretty telling. (She was asked about their divergent views on whether or not they ought to conduct anti-terror military operations in sovereign nations.)

McCain would not say that he would offer his support for her were she to run again on the Republican ticket.

And enough of his staff went apeshit on her after the election that his public admonishing of most/all of them was insufficient to convince me that he actually had so little control over his staff as to prevent them from badmouthing his former running mate to the media.

Ummmm, are you really going to claim that a guy who LOST the election where he had DECADES more experience than the eventual winner is the best judge of her future political fortunes? McCain just screwed up - BIG TIME - and is looking for a scapegoat where ever he can find one.

He should have gotten a clue when he suspended his campaign for the economic crisis and nobody cared. I am not Palin's biggest fan, but, without her, I have no doubt that McCain most likely would have lost in at least half of the states where he won. He was that weak of a candidate.

As for Palin being picked by more people on that list than Oprah, well, I think an awful lot of her supporters are the type of people who hold open disdain for any woman who could be described as even remotely feminist, so forget Oprah, Hillary, and any celebrity.

Have you even actually met a conservative woman? Based on your hysterical description here, I am guessing "no".

Either that or you think that the definition of "feminist" is "pro-abortion".

If Oprah inspires "disdain" from conservative women, it may be because she publicizes memoir books from people who made them up and she is the last to figure it out. The vast majority of conservative women I know WORK for a living, have virtually never seen an episode of Oprah and could care less what her opinion is.

And as for Hillary .... Well, when an educated woman chooses to pick a man's coattails to ride to power rather than earning it for herself AND puts up with him SERIALLY cheating on her, disdain should be what she expects from all real feminists. Why would anyone respect someone who doesn't respect herself any more than Hillary does?

Of course, given that you just criticized Sarah Palin for not allowing a man to "speak for her", you may just not know the meaning of "feminist" at all.

As to the Senate seat ...</... (Below threshold)
Rose Hughes:

As to the Senate seat ...

If all Patterson wants is a 'seat warmer', then why not pick one that the voters can get behind?

He should pick a respected retired teacher from a NY school or university. What history/political science teacher wouldn't kill for the opportunity to sit in the Senate for two years?

Patterson should require he/she blogs about the experience for the schoolkids (and the voters) and play up that he is not a governor of the elite, but of the "regular guy".




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