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Will they be screaming about unfair, stolen elections now?

For the past eight years, liberals have screeched and moaned about how President Bush STOLE THE ELECTIONS!!!11!!!1!!!1!!! This, of course, is a load of crap, as President Bush actually did win the election. I'm sure that all those people were only concerned about making sure the voices of the people were heard, not anger over someone they disagree with winning office.

And considering how much liberals love fairness and upholding democracy, shouldn't they be more concerned about a real, live, honest-to-God stolen election going on right now?

I haven't commented much on the drama going on in Minnesota, with the race for the Senate between Norm Coleman and Al Franken. Why bother? I knew from the beginning what the outcome would be. No matter who the people actually voted for, Al Franken would be declared the winner. And that's exactly what will happen, because there is no other allowable outcome beyond a Franken victory. It doesn't matter whether or not Minnesotans want him; all that matters is that some crazy guy wants to be a Senator and he's got a (D) next to his name. Every single outcome of the recount, no matter what they find, will benefit Al Franken, as the Wall Street Journal is noticing.

Under Minnesota law, election officials are required to make a duplicate ballot if the original is damaged during Election Night counting. Officials are supposed to mark these as "duplicate" and segregate the original ballots. But it appears some officials may have failed to mark ballots as duplicates, which are now being counted in addition to the originals. This helps explain why more than 25 precincts now have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote. By some estimates this double counting has yielded Mr. Franken an additional 80 to 100 votes.

This disenfranchises Minnesotans whose vote counted only once. And one Canvassing Board member, State Supreme Court Justice G. Barry Anderson, has acknowledged that "very likely there was a double counting." Yet the board insists that it lacks the authority to question local officials and it is merely adding the inflated numbers to the totals.

In other cases, the board has been flagrantly inconsistent. Last month, Mr. Franken's campaign charged that one Hennepin County (Minneapolis) precinct had "lost" 133 votes, since the hand recount showed fewer ballots than machine votes recorded on Election Night. Though there is no proof to this missing vote charge -- officials may have accidentally run the ballots through the machine twice on Election Night -- the Canvassing Board chose to go with the Election Night total, rather than the actual number of ballots in the recount. That decision gave Mr. Franken a gain of 46 votes.

Meanwhile, a Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were recorded votes on Election Night. In that case, the board decided to go with the extra ballots, rather than the Election Night total, even though the county is now showing more ballots than voters in the precinct. This gave Mr. Franken a net gain of 37 votes, which means he's benefited both ways from the board's inconsistency.

There's lots more, but from that alone I think you get the picture. And of course, liberals aren't decrying this election, even though it's undoubtedly stolen. Breaking the law and stealing elections is perfectly acceptable, provided it benefits the right people.

And as for the wimps on our side, I'd love to see them actually grow a backbone and put up a fight. Coleman says he'll sue, but what happens when that doesn't work? It'll be back to the GOP standard of rolling over and playing dead.

It's a great time for politics in America, isn't it?

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Comments (92)

Gosh, I love thes... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:


Gosh, I love these rhetorical questions.

Bet the deafening silence on this will crush eardrums.

Lets concede that Bush didn... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

Lets concede that Bush didn't steal the election of 2000.

Okay, done.

Now, stop whining about Franken and get a life.

I knew from the beg... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

I knew from the beginning what the outcome would be.

Maybe you should have passed your information along to the elected officials.

Oh, that's right. Premonitions have nothing to do with facts.

neocon hypocrisy is a breat... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

neocon hypocrisy is a breathtaking thing to behold........

....as is the incessant and... (Below threshold)
JFO:

....as is the incessant and never ending whining.

What a load of (predictable... (Below threshold)
Brian:

What a load of (predictable) crap. The canvassing board is 2 Dems, 2 Reps, and an Independent. The recount was broadcast live on the Internet. BOTH camps had to agree on which ballots to count (although Franken has repeatedly said "count them all", while Coleman has been the one challenging them in court). There's "no proof" to the charge of missing votes, so it should be dismissed. But the charge of double counts... well, the no proof there means it's a certified fact! (Ignore the fact that even if you give Coleman the 80-100 "double" votes, Franken still wins.)

How about this... for the past eight years, Republicans have screeched and moaned about how Democrats USE THE COURTS TO OVERTURN THE WILL OF THE VOTERS!!!11!!!1!!!1!!! With Coleman promising more court challenges, will they be screaming about court-decided elections now?

No matter who the people... (Below threshold)
Brian:

No matter who the people actually voted for, Al Franken would be declared the winner.

Cassy seems unaware that determining "who the people actually voted for" is accomplished by actually counting their votes. Franken wants votes counted, Coleman wants votes eliminated. And just where were these allegations of voting irregularities when Coleman was ahead? ...crickets... "Fair elections for thee, not for me."

How does it feel, neocons, ... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

How does it feel, neocons, to have the majority of the country cough at you and walk away?

Your whining and manipulation of facts no longer sway anyone and currently have no audience (except, of course, the small echo chamber here).

Move on. The rest of us have.

Hansen"Lets conced... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:

Hansen

"Lets concede that Bush didn't steal the election of 2000.
Okay, done.
Now, stop whining about Franken and get a life.
"

That is the typical liberal / Bill Clinton move.

Lets trash someone and then after trashing them (for 8 years) lets say that we shouldnt trash people and we need to just move on.

That is the typical... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

That is the typical liberal / Bill Clinton move.

Funny. I don't recall "Bill Clinton" being used in my words at all. Or liberal. You must be projecting - or maybe you've never referred to someone with opinions different from you without trying to find some false label to make you feel good about yourself. At least when I say neocons (instead of conservatives), that group knows who I'm talking to. Not all conservatives are neocons.

Lets trash someone and then after trashing them (for 8 years) lets say that we shouldnt trash people and we need to just move on.

So are you telling me the neocons haven't trashed anyone? Really? Are they so pristine? Have you been living in fantasyland for the last 20 years?

And I suspect you just want to whine, whine, whine because you feel it's your turn to trash people (again) - that seems to be what you're saying.

Well, as I mentioned, no one really cares except the echo chamber here. You can spin your little tales as much as you like. In the end, the country rejected you and this kind of behavior.

Deal with it and move on.

"....as is the incessant... (Below threshold)

"....as is the incessant and never ending whining."

Well, if you don't like what you're reading, don't read it. You're free to do that, you know. Or would you just rather continue to read it, and then continue to dish out what you apparently can't take in return?

That is the typical libe... (Below threshold)
Brian:

That is the typical liberal / Bill Clinton move.
Lets trash someone and then after trashing them (for 8 years) lets say that we shouldnt trash people and we need to just move on.

And that's the typical Republican (not conservative) move. Let's trash someone and then after trashing them (for 8 years) let's say that we shouldn't trash people and we need to just move on, and denounce trashing people, and then after defending them (for 8 years), then, oops! start trashing again.

Well, if you don't like ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Well, if you don't like what you're reading, don't read it. You're free to do that, you know. Or would you just rather continue to read it, and then continue to dish out what you apparently can't take in return?

One could say the same about you, regarding the news of the day, or the comments here.

Pass the popcorn again -</p... (Below threshold)
apb:

Pass the popcorn again -

As long as the 'disenfranchised' are Republicans, that's a-OK...

The fun parts going to be watching the Dhimwits in the next Congress - they're too gutless to act on their own without Repub cover.

As for the libby douchnozzles here, let's run up the tally - war's still on in Iraq, and will remain so. Additional tax cuts are on their way. War WILL be conducted in Afghanistan. War will continue between Israel and the terrorists with US support of Israel.

All of the above are total neocon adventures. How does it feel to be duped, chumps? You voted for Bush III.

"Well, as I mentioned, n... (Below threshold)

"Well, as I mentioned, no one really cares except the echo chamber here."

If you don't care, you sure have a funny way of showing it.

"Deal with it and move on."

Take your own advice. My comment at number 11 applies to you, too.

So, who elected this clown ... (Below threshold)
Mycroft:

So, who elected this clown anyway?

Well Biological I don't hav... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Well Biological I don't have to read your asshole comments - that's right. However, it's amusing to read the whining of you 25%ers and it's educational as well. It reassures me that the 25%ers are just that, out of power, out of touch and wandering in the political wilderness. It helps me know that things will get better.

"One could say the same ... (Below threshold)

"One could say the same about you, regarding the news of the day, or the comments here."

Well, this isn't surprising, I'd expect an idiot like you wouldn't understand the point, so allow me to spell it out for you.

The problem with your premise is, you assume that I don't like reading any news whatsoever. On the contrary, I enjoy reading a lot of the news of the day. Even the things I disagree with are enjoyable just for the entertainment value.

What you're not going to catch me doing is going to a liberal blog making contrarian comments just to piss people off, as you and JFO are wont to do.

I'm going to respond to your comments when I see fit. I enjoy it. Deal with it.

jfo -Conservatives... (Below threshold)
apb:

jfo -

Conservatives aren't in the wilderness. Obama's certified Bush's policies, and you're a willing participant. Enjoy!

JFO, I find it hilarious th... (Below threshold)

JFO, I find it hilarious that you, when you cannot ever stay on topic and never do anything but hurl insults around here, have the audacity to call anyone an "asshole". LOL!

The fact that you and the rest of the liberals here started instantly screeching about Cassy's post just means the hit the nail directly on the head.

retired military hit the nail right on the head, too. It happens every time conservatives or Republicans (no, they're not the same anymore) get elected into power. Thankfully, politics are cyclical, and we won't be stuck with liberals in office for long.

No wonder Dems luuuuv musli... (Below threshold)
RickZ:

No wonder Dems luuuuv muslims. They can lie, cheat and still with the best of the Mohammedans.

...and then continu... (Below threshold)
Hans:

...and then continue to dish out what you apparently can't take in return?

It seems to me you're the one getting uppity about the criticism. Those who've opposed Bush and the neocons have been verbally duking it out for almost 8 years - against an audience that considers facts malleable and (many times) resort to outright verbal abuse when cornered.

Time for you to develop a hard shell, I think. Lots of us have had it for quite some time. Think of it as a learning experience.

"It doesn't matter whether ... (Below threshold)
Rance:

"It doesn't matter whether or not Minnesotans want him;"

Seems to me that Minnesotans are split 50-50 (give or take a couple hundred votes) between those who want him and those who don't. Or don't you consider the people who voted against Coleman to be "real" Minnesotans?

Hansen and bobI wa... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:

Hansen and bob

I was referring to the tactic employed by the Clintons against their enemies. Try to destroy the person and then claim to be above the fray and villify the enemy if they should dare to fight back.

The way Lewinsky was treated by the Clinton team was a perfect example.

Now lets look at 2 current situations that are ongoing with the Senate.

A. Illinois. - This is a matter for the people in Ill. to resolve. I have no issues with who the folks in ILL want to represent them in the Senate. As far as I am concerned, from what I know of the situation and applicable laws then Burris should be serving. He was nominated by the governor who was not under indictment at the time. He is not under investigation. This is a position contrary to some folks who feel that a special election takes place.

I personally think Reid should stay the hell out of it instead of trying to cherry pick someone he likes or thinks can win reelection. Going by his thinking than he doesnt have to seat anyone who he doesnt like regardless of who the duly elected Senator from that state should be. So I am all for seating Burris and he is a democrat (are you suprised?)

b. MN - Mentioned above. Again a matter for the folks from MN to resolve. That being said from what I have read ballots with the same circumstances were counted differently depending upon who they benefited, you have more votes in some counties than were cast in the election, amongst other issues. All in all I would prefer a fair election. Does that mean that I think Coleman won? I have no clue. I think the process needs to be set out ahead of time and followed to the T, no matter who it benefits. I am not of the mind though that there should be recounts until my candidate wins and then stop them. If they follow the same rules in reference to all ballots than I have no more of a problem Franken being a Senator from MN as I do Kennedy being a Senator from NY. My thoughts are if the people in that state are stupid enough to vote for them then they deserve them.

Personally I am sick and tired of hearing about recount this and recount that. I wish that they would pass a law which states that if the difference between the 2 candidates are less than 1% of the vote (or say 20,000 votes whichever is lesser) than they need to hold the election over again and only those people who have been recorded to have voted in the first election can vote in the 2nd. That way we wont have the parties trying to bus in voters from out of state to rig the election. This would also (hopefully) combat some of the fraud that both sides take part in. But I dont know if even that will help as people in MN have demonstrated there are a remarkable number of people out there (probably in every state) who cant even fill in a circle properly.


Even the things I disagr... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Even the things I disagree with are enjoyable just for the entertainment value.

Which is why liberals like it on Wizbang. For the entertainment value.

What you're not going to catch me doing is going to a liberal blog making contrarian comments just to piss people off, as you and JFO are wont to do.

No, you just make contrarian replies to liberal comments just to piss people off.

The fact that you and the rest of the liberals here started instantly screeching about Cassy's post just means the hit the nail directly on the head.

Ah yes, another Wizbang favorite. If the liberals are silent, you hit the nail on the head. If they comment back, you hit the nail on the head. Well, I guess because you started instantly screeching about the liberal posts on here, they hit the nail directly on the head! And judging from Cassy's screed, the bipartisan canvassing board in MN hit the nail directly on the head! It works every time!

"It seems to me you're t... (Below threshold)

"It seems to me you're the one getting uppity about the criticism."

Criticism, I'm fine with. The comment you highlighted at me was directed squarely at JFO, and he knows why. I'm actually fine with insults, too, as long as you're going to take it as well as you give it.

"Those who've opposed Bush and the neocons have been verbally duking it out for almost 8 years - against an audience that considers facts malleable and (many times) resort to outright verbal abuse when cornered."

Funny, that's the opinion I have about you and your ilk. That's been supported and documented here at Wizbang for years.

"Time for you to develop a hard shell, I think. Lots of us have had it for quite some time. Think of it as a learning experience."

LOL! Thanks for the advice, but I'm good. I think I made JFO cry today. Seriously. He's resorted to calling me an "asshole", which is ironic in and of itself. Is that shell hard enough for you?

ROFL! Cassy, you really do attract the goofiest liberals around here!

I personally think ... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

I personally think Reid should stay the hell out of it instead of trying to cherry pick someone he likes or thinks can win reelection.

For the record, I think Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are the most useless government heads this country's ever had. They're spineless, political hacks who've taken no responsibility for a single vote in the past 2 years. I'd have more respect for them if they pushed their agendas and let the chips fall where they may.

Fact of the matter is, no complaining from me will remove them from office, just as no complaining about the Franken election will do anything but stoke partisan fires.

The Minnesota governor (R) ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

The Minnesota governor (R) and the attorney general (D) have both stated they won't sign the certificate of election until any forthcoming court challenge has been decided. Without the certificate the election is not final. In past challenges courts start by throwing out counts for missing ballets and then move on to throwing out absentee ballets, and then drop overvotes from precincts that report more votes than voters who signed in to vote, which they must do in Minnesota. In these precincts the overvotes are assumed to be in the same proportion as the total. If the overvotes are in a precinct heavily in favor of one candidate that candidate will lose votes even though the ratio for that precinct stays the same.

I'm not predicting the court will go all the way or even follow what I have outlined, but there is a lot of legal precedent that the court will be pressured to follow. The only thing I can say for sure is that if Norm Coleman is declared the winner it will be the democrats whining about votes being thrown out and voter disenfranchisement.

Regardless of the outcome, the closeness this race proves there's something strange in all that water up there in Minnesota. Al Franken doesn't just write jokes, he is a joke. To think he got so many to vote for him says something about Minnesota that's not very flattering. If you live downstream along the Mississippi I would be worried about drinking that water. It likely contains some kind of kool-aid that causes a progressive brain disorder.

Brian, I've been reading yo... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Brian, I've been reading your posts for a long
time,you are consistent in rudeness. Your
comments have no value other than an attempt at
raising blood pressure of other readers.
If the only value Wizbang has to you and other
liberals (who you do not list) is of entertainment, why don't you get a life and
move on.

Conservatives and Republica... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Conservatives and Republicans are not the same anymore. True words Biological. Good old RickZ in #21 above is today's representative of conservatism. You must be proud. As I said....25%ers.

LOL! Thanks for the... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

LOL! Thanks for the advice, but I'm good.

Always happy to spread some joy in these trying times.

Mac LorryI'd say F... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Mac Lorry

I'd say Franken's result in the election says more about Coleman and the current state of the conservative.republican political movement than it says about anything else.

What a shame Minnesota did ... (Below threshold)
Piso Mojado:

What a shame Minnesota did not do a runoff between Frankin and Coleman. Instead you have an idiot with no mandate instead of a RINO with no mandate. Minnesota will get what it richly deserves. Elections have consequences, dont'cha know. Ya, you betcha!

"No, you just make contr... (Below threshold)

"No, you just make contrarian replies to liberal comments just to piss people off."

Yep. If you're going to dish it out, so am I. I guess you'll have to "deal with it".

"Ah yes, another Wizbang favorite. If the liberals are silent, you hit the nail on the head. If they comment back, you hit the nail on the head."

Ah yes, another liberal favorite. When exactly have I ever said when someone is silent, it means they've "hit the nail on the head"? Good luck finding that one, because when someone is silent, I have no idea what a person thinks about anything.

"Well, I guess because you started instantly screeching about the liberal posts on here, they hit the nail directly on the head!"

LOL! When I'm laughing and poking fun of someone, I'm not "screeching". It's laughing! I'm sure you'll try to claim that's all you're trying to do. How original.

"And judging from Cassy's screed, the bipartisan canvassing board in MN hit the nail directly on the head! It works every time!"

Perhaps so, but it is interesting and very entertaining how they suddenly "found" so many "uncounted votes" after the initial count was completed? Funny that liberals there nor here don't really want to investigate that issue further.

Bring on Franken. I'm sure it'll provide us with lots of unintended entertainment...much like the Jesse Ventura governorship did. Where exactly is he nowadays? Oh yeah...out to Troofer pasture. Gotta love those wacky Minnesotans!

Just picture Al Franken on ... (Below threshold)
max:

Just picture Al Franken on the floor of the US Senate. That must absolutely burn your republican asses.

If only there were a word that would describe my feeling of sublime joy at watching republicans suffer. Maybe LaMedusa can help me out.

"Always happy to spread ... (Below threshold)

"Always happy to spread some joy in these trying times."

LOL! If you're going to have that good of a sense of humor, then we have a good chance of getting along just fine.

"Just picture Al Franken... (Below threshold)

"Just picture Al Franken on the floor of the US Senate. That must absolutely burn your republican asses."

No, it actually has me LMAO, especially when I think of how spectacularly he and Air America went down in flames. Franken should be able to continue his comedic career in grand fashion on the Senate floor.

"Good old RickZ in #21 a... (Below threshold)

"Good old RickZ in #21 above is today's representative of conservatism."

Good to see you're wrong as usual. You're keeping your streak alive.

Alright, it's been a fun af... (Below threshold)

Alright, it's been a fun afternoon, but I've got to go pick up my son from school, and then get ready for the Ohio State/Texas party tonight. I'm out.

Here's to hoping my Buckeyes don't turn another big game into a Minnesota election fiasco!

GO BUCKS!!! BEAT THE LONGHORNS!!!

Just picture Al Fr... (Below threshold)
Just picture Al Franken on the floor of the US Senate. That must absolutely burn your republican asses.

Actually, the only thing it does to my republican ass is make it fall down on the floor laughing.

JFO,If I remember ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

JFO,

If I remember right you live downstream of Minnesota, so whatever is cause the progressive brain disease in Minnesota is likely in your drinking water. That would explain a lot.

"Just picture Al Franken... (Below threshold)
apb:

"Just picture Al Franken on the floor of the US Senate. That must absolutely burn your republican asses."

Naah - just walking the fine line between tragedy and comedy. I'm sure the Founders are spinning in their graves seeing how the political process has degenerated into brainless populism.

If the Dems continue the war march into Afghanistan, will that burn your lib asses? Will you even know that you've been 'had?'

"Just picture Al Franken on... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:

"Just picture Al Franken on the floor of the US Senate. That must absolutely burn your republican asses."

Actually it would just serve to reinforce my opinions of demcrats in general and liberals in particular.

The heck with elections, I ... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

The heck with elections, I just wish Democrats would stop stealing my newspaper. And my precious bodily fluids.

Piso Mojado -You'v... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Piso Mojado -

You've had the first constructive suggestion I've seen on this whole mess - I've wondered myself why they don't just declare the election a draw and redo it? Instead we keep getting 'found' ballots, and 'lost' ballots, and duplicated (maybe) ballots and unreadable (but we can find out who the voter INTENDED by consulting Madame Yolanda the Psychic Advisor) ballots - and the whole idea of having a clear winner degenerates into a farce.

We should have done that with Florida in 2000 - just redone the whole state with a MASSIVE election observer corps. But now we've got a 'system', if you could call it that, where if any Democrat barely loses, you get an endless round of challenges until somehow sufficent votes are 'found' to make it a win.

Something needs to change with that.

Brian, I've been reading... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Brian, I've been reading your posts for a long
time

I'm glad you're a fan. I look forward to your many entertaining comments about comments in the future.

you are consistent in rudeness. Your
comments have no value other than an attempt at
raising blood pressure of other readers

Are you kidding? You post this in a thread started by Cassy? I underestimated the entertainment value here.

Having Al Franken shoot off... (Below threshold)
Phil:

Having Al Franken shoot off his ultra left, foul mouth on a daily basis is going to be the best thing to happen to the GOP in quite some time. I love having him be a face of the Democratic Party in the senate. It will help us quite a bit in the 2010 campaign. Harry better gag him and throw him in a broom closet. He won't shut his face on his own, but I can assure you the Democratic leadership wants him to vote right, but lay low. The more he's seen the worse it gets.

Brian, my comment was direc... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Brian, my comment was directed at you, no other.
Your rudeness, no other.
You have a history of rudeness at Wizbang.
You should also understand Wizbang is not a
democracy, and you have no control over whether
any one will read any of your comments.
Also I am not a fan, my job entails I read all
of the comments.
As I posted above it might be time for you to
get a life and move on.

Yep. If you're going to ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Yep. If you're going to dish it out, so am I. I guess you'll have to "deal with it".

I'm happy to. I'm not the one telling others "if you don't like what you're reading, don't read it".

When exactly have I ever said...

I didn't say you, I said "Wizbang". There's your sharp reading skills for ya.

LOL! When I'm laughing and poking fun of someone, I'm not "screeching". It's laughing! I'm sure you'll try to claim that's all you're trying to do. How original.

In other words, "I'M not screeching! YOU'RE the one that's screeching!" Yeah, you're one to claim originality. I hear "rubber/glue" works well in your situation.

Perhaps so, but it is interesting and very entertaining how they suddenly "found" so many "uncounted votes" after the initial count was completed? Funny that liberals there nor here don't really want to investigate that issue further.

Not interesting nor entertaining. Just factual that many absentee ballots were improperly rejected, as certified and agreed to by both campaigns and the bipartisan canvassing board. I'm not surprised you don't understand what's actually happening. Nor that you are entertained by supposedly "found" votes for Franken, but have no opinion on "lost" votes for him nor "found" votes for Coleman.

Bring on Franken. I'm sure it'll provide us with lots of unintended entertainment

I'm sure it will. But at least he's unlikely to wind up in prison.

Ohh poor little babies Hans... (Below threshold)
914:

Ohh poor little babies Hansen and UFO cant stand having their out of the closet Al(pinkie) Fanken nailed for the tax and vote cheating fraud He and they are.

Keep up the super posts Cassie. Its so nice to see the tardo libs flip out.

Oobity doobity. Poor little... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

Oobity doobity. Poor little baby 914 can't handle that his once treasured majority is now a defunct, morally bankrupt minority.

He can say whatever he wants, hold his hands to his ears and scream "No, no, no!" and his opinion still has no sway in our current political climate. And it is he who is flipping out, not us.

So there.

Hey Cassy! I alwa... (Below threshold)
martyredcars:

Hey Cassy!

I always enjoy your posts, even when I disagree with you. Just wanted to throw that into the mix. Keep up the good work.

"So there."... (Below threshold)
apb:

"So there."

Bwahahaha! The fifth-graders are out of school for the day, eh? Man, what a comedian!

<a href="http://www.youtube... (Below threshold)
jp2:
Yeah, jp2, that explains wh... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Yeah, jp2, that explains why he won. Along with the "board certified" results. :p

"Just picture Al Franken on... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Just picture Al Franken on the floor of the US Senate."

We wouldn't mind a cardboard cutout. Obama used it all the time. :)

Umm? Hansin, Im not a repub... (Below threshold)
914:

Umm? Hansin, Im not a republican just a conservative that has no interest in seeking or attaining power unlike You who thinks He has attained some through the fake "messiah".

"So there"

Ha ha ha You hurt My little feelins.

Let's see here. Al Franke... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Let's see here. Al Franken is currently 225 votes ahead. Even if we were to subtract 100 from that total for alleged double-counting, 37 from the total for alleged extra ballots in Ramsey County, and 46 for missing ballots in Hennepin County, Al is still ahead by 42 votes. No, Cassy, the election is NOT "undoubtedly stolen."

Game. Set. Match. You lose, Conservatives.

Sorry to disappoint, hermie... (Below threshold)
apb:

Sorry to disappoint, hermie!

Game, set, match, conservatives win! Look at the Senate!

Harry 'the Douche' Reid! Stuart Smalley! Another Kennedy! Burris from the Blagojawick fiasco! Dick 'the Turban' Durbin!

10% douchebag factor, and that's off the top of my head! We'll see if these gutless wonders actually pass legislation without Republican cover, or how many RINOs gleefully jump across the aisle to assist in the stupidity.

The bad part is, the piss-poor legislation that will emanate from this cesspool.

"You lose, Conservatives."<... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"You lose, Conservatives."

Actually, the senate loses. Again.

With the new senate losing ... (Below threshold)
Allen:

With the new senate losing so many laughable members, I'm glad we're bringing in a comedian to take up the slack.

Does anyone else love the concept of a United States Senator whose body of work includes a book titled "Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot"?

If Coleman will reject a vote for himself can he be a corrupt as Franken asserts? The problem is corruption. With Rethugs, it's 100 percent. With Democrats, it's about 70 percent. Corrupt, that is.
We gotta lotta work to do, folks.

I don't mind losing an elec... (Below threshold)
Wet Willie:

I don't mind losing an election. We didn't field candidates with a coherent message.

No, I don't mind losing. What I can't stand is the shrieking, insufferable gloating from Libtards who think that a 53% popular majority is a huge "mandate" to completely re-engineer the country, the economy, our education system, our tax system, our legal system, and virtually everything else on Animal Farm, when Bush "barely squeaked by" with a 52% popular vote.

Be careful what you wish for. You just got it. Be prepared to answer for the results.

"Lets trash someone and the... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Lets trash someone and then after trashing them (for 8 years) lets say that we shouldnt trash people and we need to just move on."
9. Posted by retired miilitary

Or trash someone and later insist all objections are symptoms of BDS. Lest we forget.

http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum031903.asp

Re: Franken. Singlehandedly, with his amusing book, "Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot", Al Franken shamed Rush into an Oxycontin diet, with its resultant deafness, public humiliation, the elimination of public "Rush Rooms". And Rush ended up fatter that ever.
The point is, I'm surprised Franken didn't trounce the grinning non-entity Coleman in November.

I feel sorry for Herman. H... (Below threshold)
Justfacts:

I feel sorry for Herman. He did all that math but never took the time to actually read the article. Here is the next paragraph in the link which identifies another questionable vote gain for Franken of 176 votes:

"And then there are the absentee ballots. The Franken campaign initially howled that some absentee votes had been erroneously rejected by local officials. Counties were supposed to review their absentees and create a list of those they believed were mistakenly rejected. Many Franken-leaning counties did so, submitting 1,350 ballots to include in the results. But many Coleman-leaning counties have yet to complete a re-examination. Despite this lack of uniformity, and though the state Supreme Court has yet to rule on a Coleman request to standardize this absentee review, Mr. Ritchie's office nonetheless plowed through the incomplete pile of 1,350 absentees this weekend, padding Mr. Franken's edge by a further 176 votes."

Those 176 votes, when added to the already-mentioned other dubious vote gains for Franken, is more than enough to account for Franken's lead. To borrow a quote from Herman, though certainly not as he intended, "Game. Set. Match."

bryandRush makes a... (Below threshold)
retired military:

bryand

Rush makes about $40 million a year off his show. Franken couldnt even get paid by Air America who as a network couldnt make what Rush did and you claim that Franken upset Rush to cause lifechanging events. Excuse me while I laugh at your ridiculous nonsensical (but perfectly liberal) logic.

bryandBTW compare<... (Below threshold)
retired military:

bryand

BTW compare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh
Books by Rush Limbaugh
The Way Things Ought to Be (1992) Pocket Books ISBN 067175145X
See, I Told You So (1993) Pocket Books ISBN 067187120X
In 1992, Limbaugh published his first book, The Way Things Ought To Be, followed by See, I Told You So in 1993.[135] Both became number one on the New York Times Best Seller list, The Way Things Ought to Be remaining there for 24 weeks.[136] Limbaugh acknowledges in the text of the first book that he taped the book and it was transcribed and edited by Wall Street Journal writer John Fund. In the second book, Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily is named as his collaborator.[137


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_franken
Books by Al Franken
I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!: Daily Affirmations with Stuart Smalley (Dell Books, 1992) ISBN 0-440-50470-8
Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations (Delacorte Press, 1996) ISBN 0-385-31474-4
Why Not Me? (Delacorte Press, 1999) a parody-journal of the fictional "Franken campaign" for President ISBN 0-385-31809-X
Oh, the Things I Know! A Guide to Success, or Failing That, Happiness (Plume Books, 2003) ISBN 0-452-28450-3
Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right (Dutton Books, 2003) ISBN 0-525-94764-7
The Truth (with jokes) (Dutton Books, 2005) ISBN 0-525-94906-2


Funny they dont mention Franken's book being a bestseller or on top of NY TIMes bestseller list. Maybe they were but Wikipedia isnt exactly a conservative bastion.

What I can't stand is th... (Below threshold)
Brian:

What I can't stand is the shrieking, insufferable gloating from Libtards who think that a 53% popular majority is a huge "mandate" ... when Bush "barely squeaked by" with a 52% popular vote.

Huh? After which the... Repubtards(?)... claimed that was a clear mandate. And that was with only 50.74%, not 52%.

As you said, be careful what you wish for. You just got it.

I think the looney left sho... (Below threshold)

I think the looney left should be happy that Al's in.
He'll win the prize for distance spitting at conservatives, a LL protester staple.

"I feel sorry for Herman. H... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"I feel sorry for Herman. He did all that math but never took the time to actually read the article. Here is the next paragraph in the link which identifies another questionable vote gain for Franken of 176 votes" -- Justfacts

Those 176 net votes for Franken are from ballots that the COLEMAN CAMPAIGN ITSELF AGREED SHOULD BE COUNTED. There not coming off of Al's total.

Here's a fact, just for you: game, set, match -- you lose, conservative.

Liberals like JFO are sooo ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Liberals like JFO are sooo boring and predictable. Roles reversed, we know he would be shouting the loudest. Cassy, good post. You ruffled the liberals feathers. ww

When a blogger uses the wor... (Below threshold)
tweedledee:

When a blogger uses the word "liberal", buckle your seatbelt, you're in for a gale-force right-wing rant. Think about it just for a second. If you could get elected to the senate in MN just by having a (D) next to your name, how did Norm Coleman get elected? OK, second's up. Resume not thinking.

This election season marks ... (Below threshold)

This election season marks the sad end of American democracy as we know it. May the most merciful thug win!

John Hinderaker over at Pow... (Below threshold)
MPR:

John Hinderaker over at Powerline has been writing on the Minn. recount since election day. IF anyone is interested here is the link. Might stop all the nyaa nyaa nyaa nyaa nyaa.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/01/022474.php

"Rush makes about ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Rush makes about $40 million a year off his show."
-65. Posted by retired military

I never said the guy wasn't raking in the dough. And Bach probably never bounded the outskirts of Germany. What a loser!

"..and you claim that Franken upset Rush to cause lifechanging events"

Rush went deaf due to chemically cooking his inner ear and had to have headphones grafted on to his skull. True story.

"Funny they dont mention Franken's book being a bestseller or on top of NY TIMes bestseller list."

Limbaugh's books are the equivalent of Christmas cheeseballs. And who else from the Approved List are wingnuts going to choose from? Ben Ferguson? John Gibson?

P.S. Re: your list: I can't recommend Franken's "The Truth (With Jokes)". It was a bit dry. And Franken can get a bit tightly wound. "RLIABFI" though is highly recommended, though. The included chart illustrating the effect of the EITC upon Reagan's deficit-fueled economic policies is instructive in itself. See your local library.

The real problem is that re... (Below threshold)

The real problem is that really close elections magnify any problems in election systems. And even machine counts with millions of ballots tend to skip or miss some ballots, or voters don't exactly follow directions. In Florida in 2000, for example a number of voters were turned away at the polls only because they had names similar enough to a list of felons because Governor Jeb Bush didn't authorize funds to use a social security number checklist that the voter security company requested and other serious problems. And in at least one county, many people voted for two candidates because of confusing directions. In 1972, thousands of persons voted both for Republican Richard Nixon and the Socialist Worker's Party candidate, Linda Jenness, and a federal judge finally ruled that both votes were valid, although it didn't change the outcome. However, such a similar ruling would have elected Al Gore by comparison in Florida in 2000. But close elections really magnify any flaws such as witnessed in Minnesota.

I also have to blame Al Franken for making things so close in Minnesota by being so controversial, where many voters who voted for Obama simply couldn't stomach a vote for Franken. Franken nearly re-elected Coleman by his own conduct.

After reading the bitter li... (Below threshold)
Richard:

After reading the bitter liberal comments in here it is obvious that they are very disturbed over the way their Messiah is responding to events unfolding after his election win. Obama has taken the road to the center right, Oh dear, whatever will you liberal weenies do now that you're Savior has forsaken you. You know conservatives may just end up being the big winners here, I think Obama may make a better conservative than McCain would have.

You lefties never stop whin... (Below threshold)

You lefties never stop whining and gnashing your teeth about Florida do you, Hooson? You know you guys have made a cottage industry out of concocting ever more bizarre and outlandish voting scenarios by which Gore could have won. And now this fantasy has Jeb Bush standing in the doorway of polling sites turning away legitimate voters (the tacit admission that felons overwhelmingly vote Democratic is hilarious, though).

So, come on Paul, tell us another Florida fairy tale. And preferably one with Katherine Harris in it. And be sure to include at least one cheap shot about her appearance. Yeah, that's the ticket.

One other observation I hav... (Below threshold)
Richard:

One other observation I have is that the liberals either can't read well or just refuse to see the truth. It is so damn obvious that this recount is fixed in favor of Frankel that its pathetic. But this is no surprise, the democratic party has always been the party backed by Mafia type personalitys. ( Teamsters union to mention only one )
Kennedy clan got their money bootlegging in the early days. Joe Kennedy bought the Chicago vote and backing for his son J.F.Ks election win. Clintons are a walking catastrophe waiting to happen, one never knows what dishonest scheme of theirs will come to light next. You think its a conincidence that Gov. Richardson is being investigated by a grand jury. LOL He pissed off Bill and Hillary when he endorsed Obama, now he pays the price. lol Its the crooked Democratic way. Wait till the Obama closet is shaken a little more, what skeletons will appear. This Obama administration is rife with scandals even before he takes the oath of office. TALK ABOUT SHAMEFUL BEHAVIOR, WELL LOOK AT THIS OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

I have a couple of Question... (Below threshold)
Richard:

I have a couple of Questions for Hansel2, Brian, and JFO, will you be still harping on the war when Obama and the Democrats that voted for the war continue to fight the war that they promised you they would end as soo as Obama took office. AIN''T HAPPENING BUDDY. So what ya think... YOU BEEN HAD BOY. LOL

One more thing. Dingy Harry Reed is a racist, he didn't want black politicians considered as Obamas senate replacement. Wait till this news gets out to the black population. You liberal trash are racist at heart, you keep the black man down by making him dependant on you. You're reign of power will be short because you are going to lose the black and hispanic vote that you need desperately. You don't have the mainstream traditional American vote. The writing is on the wall, read it and weep.

Oregonmuse, I've long left ... (Below threshold)

Oregonmuse, I've long left Florida in my rear-view mirror. I've only mentioned some of the issues that might have changed the outcome. But I think we can both agree that Al Franken is goofy, though.

It is so damn obvious th... (Below threshold)
Brian:

It is so damn obvious that this recount is fixed in favor of Frankel that its pathetic.

Yeah, those Coleman staffers and Republican members of the canvassing board are in the tank for Franken!

will you be still harpin... (Below threshold)
Brian:

will you be still harping on the war when Obama and the Democrats that voted for the war continue to fight the war that they promised you they would end as soo as Obama took office.

I must have missed that promise. But wait... I thought the war already ended and we won.

Good old RickZ in #21 ab... (Below threshold)
RickZ:

Good old RickZ in #21 above is today's representative of conservatism.

Gosh, thanks. I'm, uh, -er, uhm, honored. And, yes, it's true, muslims lie, cheat,and steal as a religious mandate. The same idiocy can be found in the followers of the DNC. Just look at smegma breath Dingy Harry claiming credit (on a Sunday morning talking head show) for victory in Iraq, when he continually trumpeted in the past the failure of Iraq. What a fucknozzle. And a liar. Like I said, Dhimmicrats and muslims are ideoligical buzzards of a feather flocking together. How can they not? They believe in the same things, starting with a hatred for America.

bryandI am aware of ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

bryand
I am aware of Limbaugh's past problems with oxycotin and his hearing loss.

a. This does not prove your assertation that Franken's book had anything to do with his oxycotin problem. Is this one of those liberal dream things that you guys whack off to over at DU?

b. You can call his books cheeseballs but the bottom line is they were bestsellers and since you havent come back with Franken's books were as well I can assume for now at least that they werent.

c. Obviously more folks from the right appreciate LImbaugh's books than folks on the left appreciate Franken's since (again) you havent shown Franken to be a better author. And nice to see that someone you hold such a low opinion of is a better author than someone you obviously are estatic about getting a Senate seat.

d. Since you are obviously familiar with Franken's work that shows your level of IQ and the explains the connections you make between two unrelated events (IE Limbaugh's oxycotin problems and Franken publishing a book.)

e. If you read above you will see I could really care less if Franken is seated for MINN. Since they were idiotic enough to make the election this close if he is seated then they deserve everything they get.

bryan dONe last th... (Below threshold)
retired military:

bryan d

ONe last thing.


"I never said the guy wasn't raking in the dough"

Obviously Franken isnt rolling in the dough as that wasnt your defense. In addition, if Limbaugh got addicted to substances everytime someone said something bad about him then he would have been dead years ago. The thought that a book from 2 bit washed up comic/radio host bothered him enough is like saying the CEO of GM really cares if the man on the street calls him greedy. Really try to live in reality instead of the liberal induced fantasy world of yours.


"Just picture Al Franken on... (Below threshold)

"Just picture Al Franken on the floor of the US Senate. That must absolutely burn your republican asses." ~ max

I pains me to hear this kind of sentiment. It should burn your ass too that there are a significant number of people in Minnesota who willingly vote for a foul-mouthed comedian to represent them, and you, yet no doubt complain bitterly about Coulter writing a new book.

And before you start on the Jesse Ventura crap, or any others like him, I didn't vote for them and will only laugh at your attempt to equate me to those who voted for them.

"With the new senate losing so many laughable members, I'm glad we're bringing in a comedian to take up the slack." ~ Allen

This, from Allen who earlier claimed we've got to work together...

Working together is only im... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Working together is only important when you need the cooperation of the other side. I think in a year or so a lot of nominal Democrats are going to realize that their 'change' hasn't exactly worked out like they were expecting - and the 2010 election is going to see a considerable change in the makeup of the House and Senate.

(Yeah, yeah, Pelosi's going to start using a trowel instead a makeup brush, yada yada...)

Democrats have a chance to show what they can do that they haven't had since the early '90s. But they were convinced THEN that everyone would support whatever they did, no matter what. They found out otherwise in '94. Think they'll remember the lesson?

"Working together is only i... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:

"Working together is only important when you need the cooperation of the other side. I think in a year or so a lot of nominal Democrats are going to realize that their 'change' hasn't exactly worked out like they were expecting - and the 2010 election is going to see a considerable change in the makeup of the House and Senate.

"

Pelosi and Reid see this as well. They have superior numbers now and after a while the averages say that if you have more seats you lose more in the election. They will want to push as much of their agenda as possible through in the next 2 years. As such expect a HARD LEFT TURN.

You liberal trash are ra... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

You liberal trash are racist at heart, you keep the black man down by making him dependant on you. You're reign of power will be short because you are going to lose the black and hispanic vote that you need desperately. You don't have the mainstream traditional American vote.

Who's racist, Richard? Liberals? Or you, the guy who just divided America between blacks and hispanics and "mainstream traditional American[s]"?

Assholes usually have no sense of irony, especially stupid ones like you.

This is Minnesota; we have ... (Below threshold)
Magic:

This is Minnesota; we have the highest dead voter count in the country. The DFL (democrats) will not loss the election, the recount was only for the drama. They had the election in the bag on Nov 1 just wanted to make it look good. The fact that we now have a 123% voter participation doesn't matter (No one in this state would dare to actually investigate). The DFL in this state could show the corruptocrats of Chicago how it is done. The next election maybe I'll live in a state with honest elections

Herman goes from bad math t... (Below threshold)
Justfacts:

Herman goes from bad math to bad facts while shouting:

"Those 176 net votes for Franken are from ballots that the COLEMAN CAMPAIGN ITSELF AGREED SHOULD BE COUNTED. There not coming off of Al's total."

Herman, read the article. I know its hard for you. But try. Franken picked up 176 votes by adding previously rejected absentee ballots from "Franken-leaning counties" while similarly situated ballots from "Coleman-leaning counties" were left uncounted. The arcticle righly cited "this lack of uniformity" for "padding Mr. Franken's edge by a further 176 votes." Either the 176 votes for Franken should be excluded, or the similarly situated ballots from "Coleman leaning counties" should be included. Pick your Poison.

JustFacts, here's a fact fo... (Below threshold)
Herman:

JustFacts, here's a fact for you once your boy, Norm, loses all his court challenges:

Senator Al Franken.

Senator.
Al.
Franken.

Deal with it.




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