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Mindset I - Obama Versus the System

Most fair-minded people, whatever they think of his politics, hope that Barack Obama will be able to make his Hope/Change/NewLogo Administration all that he promised. After all, the fate of the free world and hundreds of millions of taxpayers depend to some degree on him. But President Obama is about to discover what Presidents Bush, Clinton, and even Reagan learned before him - that even the best ideas will be opposed by opponents unwilling to open their minds to the concept. The first real test for President Obama will not be with foreign leaders, but in getting his policies a fair hearing and getting public support for specific plans.

Republicans, understandably, are reluctant to show any interest in Obama's proposals. They politely say they will look at them, but there is no active desire to support a man commonly seen as a political enemy, not only to Republican ideals but a threat to the personal ambition of leading Republicans. The President hands out appointments and nominations, and there is no chance at all that a man like Obama would give a conservative Republican any of the plum rewards he has at hand. But that opposition may cost Obama more than he expects, Not so long ago, the Republicans enjoyed the very same situation that the Democrats now hold; their man in the White House, having won with a clear majority of the popular vote, and control of both the House and Senate. Yet President Bush found it very hard to get his programs through the process, and some of his most important initiatives, like reforming Social Security and Medicare, never even made it out of committee.

The alert reader will, no doubt, be thinking at this point that some of the obstruction for W came from fellow Republicans. Indeed that is true, and President Obama must expect some of the same friendly-fire. Already, there have been indications that Speaker of the House Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid have their own plans and agendas, and Obama will find that he lacks the mojo to push his plans through the House and Senate without making deals with the mandarins who already positioned themselves in place for just that reason. As every president has learned before him, legislation comes out of Congress and you have to make allies to get anything done. The question to be answered is who will hold the reins in this coming term.



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They politely say they w... (Below threshold)
Brian:

They politely say they will look at them, but there is no active desire to support a man commonly seen as a political enemy, not only to Republican ideals but a threat to the personal ambition of leading Republicans.

So much for "country first".

Just as GW attempted to rea... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Just as GW attempted to reach out across the aisle to democrats but when he held out his hand the democrats spit in it. Same will happen to Clin...um...Obama. How many mind changes has Obama had since the election? I lost count. ww

BrianMaybe they wi... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Brian

Maybe they will look at them and think they are not good for the country. Of course that never crossed your mind.

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I think Obama will find that he isnt in the driver's seat. Pelosi and Reid see this as a golden opportunity to push the country FAR LEFT (towards Brian) and they will use that opportunity. Obama will have to go along and probably will do so willingly. Pelosi has no fear of not getting reelected. Reid may be in for a fight but I dont think that will stop him from coming up with every socialist left wing program there is.

Gotta agree. Pelosi and Re... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Gotta agree. Pelosi and Reid are not going to pass this chance up, even tho' they've presided over a Congress with the LOWEST approval ratings ever.

Maybe they will look at ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Maybe they will look at them and think they are not good for the country. Of course that never crossed your mind.

No, it apparently didn't cross DJ's mind, because that's not what he wrote. Though he did write about the "threat to the personal ambition of leading Republicans."

Did you even read his post before you commented?

Based on Obama's appointmen... (Below threshold)
Ray H.:

Based on Obama's appointments which seem to be across the political spectrum and the history of past presidents, there is no way a first term president will go FAR LEFT. It's suicide that leads to them being a one term and done president. If he gets elected to a second term, I could then see him moving FAR LEFT to finsih out his presidency if congress maintains it's democratic majority, which I also don't see happening.

BrianI did read hi... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Brian

I did read his post. Obviously I didnt blindly agree with everything he said. I am sure that some disagreement will be with political bickering in mind. However, I think some of the disagreement will be when they think it is for the best of the country. Unlike you.

So question. Do you think the democrats disagreement with Bush was for blind partisisanshp or was it for the good of the country IN YOUR OPINION?

RayPelosi and Reid... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Ray

Pelosi and Reid arent thinking of OBama's 2nd term. They are thinking of the HERE AND NOW when they have almost a filibuster proof majority and a big majority in the house. They have a once in a lifetime opportunity to take the country hard hard left and they will not pass it up.

As I have said in previous threads I believe that Reid and Pelosi will push for an increase in supreme court justices by 2. Congress does this, not Obama who has no say so in the matter. All he would do is react to it by appointing leftist judges.

Pelosi and Reid will let him know that they have an agenda and as long as what he wants goes along with them then he stands a chance to get his agenda through unless of course he wants to buck a democratic congress. Have you seen Obama buck anything democratic? He will let Pelosi and Reid do all the running and put his label on anything that works and cite Bush as the problems for things that didnt work.

Obama may have played Chicago politics but he is on the national stage now and Pelosi and Reid figure they were there before him and they will be there when he is gone. Do you honestly think Pelosi fears reelection ? From San Francisco?? As for Reid he has made it clear he doesnt work for OBama. And Hillary is there waiting in the wings if Obama steps on it enough and I am sure that Pelosi and Reid will remind him of that every time he needs a nudge.

Hillary knows how to wield power in Washington. Obama is a babe in the woods.

However, I think some of... (Below threshold)
Brian:

However, I think some of the disagreement will be when they think it is for the best of the country. Unlike you.

You mean unlike DJ. I understand that you would have written a different post, and you're trying to pretend that DJ wrote a different post. But he didn't. There's nothing about "no active desire to support a man commonly seen as a political enemy" or "threat to the personal ambition of leading Republicans" that relates to what's "best for the country".

I'm commenting on what he actually wrote, not on what you wished he had written instead.

What Obama has to deal with... (Below threshold)

What Obama has to deal with now is that he IS the system. He thought this job would be his golden opportunity to bask in his own glory for eight years, but the economic downturn that cleared the way for his ascendancy to the Whitehouse will make his presidency a living nightmare. Sure, he can blame Bush for everything, but that won't bring the glory back.
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Lets see, how many Demo app... (Below threshold)
Allen:

Lets see, how many Demo appointments did Bush make to his cabinet? How many, so far, has Obama made for the GOP?

No one knows what Obama may/may not do. All this guessing is pure BS. I do agree that the GOP will, like they have for the last two years, screwed up the Congress, and then blame the Demo's for not doing nothing.

And ball less Harry and Nancy stink-em don't have the spine to use the majority power that they have. And the reason for that is they are complicit, along with the present administration for some shady doings.

So neither party won't want Obama to look to hard into what they have done. There will be a trade-off, for awhile, and Obama will get some things done, but not as much as the bleeding hearts want, and more than the GOP wants.

But in the mean time, people will continue to lose jobs, the economy will keep getting worse, and more people will cry that it is one party or the other parties fault.

Keep us divided, and the fat cats just keep screwing us, getting richer while the majority gets poorer.

And now is the time to buy some quality stock, at very cheap prices. And the stock market will rebound in a couple of years. In fact, I just bought some stock that pays $4.65 dividend per share, at less than 1/2 price that it normally goes for. It may take a year or two, but the dividend will go up as our economy will start to grow.

But please keep gazing into your crystal ball making all the remarks about who is going to do what. I always enjoy a good laugh, no matter which party hack is spewing the BS.

It does concern me that Pel... (Below threshold)

It does concern me that Pelosi and Reid seem to be in charge. Perhaps that's just because Obama hasn't had the chance to "set them straight" yet. He has to know they are not necessarily on his side.

BrianYou said so m... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Brian

You said so much for country first.

You were basically giving your comment on what DJ said and in essence agreeing with it.

Again I ask the question (which you totally ignored)

Do you think the democrats disagreement with Bush was for blind partisisanshp or was it for the good of the country IN YOUR OPINION?

I think you ignored it because it goes to the heart of your statement against republicans and shoots it right in the foot.

Please answer the question.

Retired military,The... (Below threshold)
MPR:

Retired military,
They won't answer. Not because they can't but, they know reality doesn't work in La La land. They know Obamalala and his liberal cohorts in the Congress are driving this country over a cliff. Socialism only works in La La Land. You cannot spend your way out of this mess. Especially if, like the "guvment", you don't produce anything.
I've said before I hope Obamalala fails for the "good of the country". His plan to re-engineer the country to be more socialistic than it already is doesn't need my support. I hope he is successful in defending the Homeland for the good of the country but, that is all.
If the Republicans/Conservative do anything except obstruct and filibuster they will be complicit in Obamalala's fantasy. Besides, when the "guvment" does nothing we are better off.

You were basically givin... (Below threshold)
Brian:

You were basically giving your comment on what DJ said and in essence agreeing with it.

Agree with what? He said Republicans will act selfishly, and I observed that means they won't act for the good of the country. I agreed with nothing; just pointing out that his assessment is counter to what Republicans have been claiming their motivations are. I made no judgment whether he's right, just that he's inconsistent with respect to Republican propaganda.

If you want to claim that Republicans will be motivated by altruism, then you're disagreeing with DJ. That's fine; you and he can have a nice debate about it without me.

I think you ignored it because it goes to the heart of your statement against republicans and shoots it right in the foot.

No, I ignored it because it's an attempt by you to change the subject. DJ made no assessment of the motivation of Democrats, just the motivation of Republicans. Even if you think the Democrats' motivation was to please Satan, that does not change that Republicans working for "personal ambition" is not "country first".

Brian Instead of d... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Brian

Instead of dodging, guessing motives, and beating around the bush (and acting like a liberal). Why not just answer the question.

Do you think the democrats disagreement with Bush was for blind partisisanshp or was it for the good of the country IN YOUR OPINION?

Are you afraid to answer a question about YOUR OPINION? Or will you do as Obama when asked his opinion about when a fetus should be given rights and say "that is above my paygrade".

I am merely asking your opinion on a subject rleated to the thread.

You're the one dodging and ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

You're the one dodging and avoiding the issue.

OK, Democrats are demon spawn who serve only to feast on the flesh of the rotting American corpse. Does that make you happy to hijack the thread, throw your little tantrum, and get your way?

Now, back to the actual topic, you explain how personal ambition and no desire to work with a political enemy is country first.

Brian"Now, ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Brian


"Now, back to the actual topic, you explain how personal ambition and no desire to work with a political enemy is country first. "

I never said that it was. If you felt I did than please show me what I said and explain your logic to get to that conclusion.

I simply asked your opinion on an issue relevant to the thread. Note: My question was 100% related to the thread. I merely asked if in your opinion the democrats did the same thing with Bush that DJ states that the republicans will do with Obama. If anyone is throwing at tantrum it is you as your childish answer displays.

If you felt I did than p... (Below threshold)
Brian:

If you felt I did than please show me what I said and explain your logic to get to that conclusion.

Sure, right here:

Maybe they will look at them and think they are not good for the country. Of course that never crossed your mind.

You know what? Maybe they will. I hope they will, because that indicates the opposite of what DJ said, that they are giving them due consideration. But once again, since you seem immune to this revelation, THAT'S NOT WHAT DJ SAID.

I simply asked your opinion on an issue relevant to the thread.

You mean "irrelevant". DJ wasn't comparing Republican motivations with Democrat motivations. The topic is Republican motivations.

You can continue your hand-waving and "look over here, not over there!" on your own time. I'm done with you.

BrianI think you g... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Brian

I think you got a little bit touchy because you are mad that I pointed out that the democrats have been doing exactly what DJ has said the republicans will do under Obama.

And you are getting more and more ticked about being called on it as your responses show.


You mean "irrelevant". DJ wasn't comparing Republican motivations with Democrat motivations. The topic is Republican motivations.

"You mean "irrelevant". DJ wasn't comparing Republican motivations with Democrat motivations. The topic is Republican motivations. "

Again you put words in my mouth. I never said DJ was comparing anything. I merely stated that my question was relevant to the thread. That relevance being MOTIVATIONS by members of congress. I guess that point just sorta skipped right over your head.

Yes DJ was talking about republican motivations but it isnt unreasonable to bring up the motivations of democrats and their actions for the last 8 years. Unless of coruse you dont think republicans would play a game of political tit for tat. But you woudnt want to admit that Dems would do the same thing DJ is stating that the republicans will do. And therefore they are just as worthy of your statement of contempt "So much for the good of the country". After all the dems have already done it. DJ is only speculating that the republicans will. And again that is why you are so angry. Because I called you on it and you dont like it.




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