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Not a Promising Beginning

I did not watch the inauguration or any of the inaugural ball on television. We have the most beautiful snow we have had in years here in NC and I have taken advantage of it. (Thank you global warming). The little bit of news I have gotten of the inauguration has come from quotes and reports I have seen online and I have spent very little time even reading those. What I have seen though is surprising, but it shouldn't be.

The pettiness of many of Obama's supporters' public reaction to President Bush during the inauguration ceremony was shocking to me. I have witnessed the nastiness of many on the left over the past eight years (some of it first hand), but now that they have won control of the entire government you would think they could put that behind them and celebrate. You would think they would choose to put their childish ways behind them and act like decent human beings. Instead they cling to the hatred that has kept them going for eight years and they go out of their way to validate what those of us on the right have said about them for the past eight years.

I was surprised to read some of the digs at President Bush in Obama's inaugural speech. Some, such as implying America has not been making tough decisions or leading, are not only classless, but absurd. I would have thought Obama would choose to make a gracious and honest speech, but evidently that is more than he is capable of doing.

The White House website shocked me as well. The huge picture of Obama's head that took up over half of my computer screen looked more like a campaign poster than the official White House website. If you ever looked at the WH website during the Bush years you will know what I mean. The site under Bush was tasteful and looked official and the focus was the office of the White House, not an individual. Today I learned the tacky "look" of the new site is only the beginning. The text on the site includes more digs at Bush.

All the above leads me to believe Obama is still stuck in campaign mode. He has not yet learned how to be a leader. Certainly not the leader of the free world. Certainly not the leader of the greatest military in the world. Hopefully he and his supporters will get this childishness out of their systems. Hopefully he will grow into the position. Hopefully that will happen before he is tested.

As for all the continuing criticism of Bush... I don't even think they believe it themselves. We shall soon see though. If Obama leaves most of the Bush administration policies in place relating to national security we will have proof that the criticism was either intentionally dishonest or uninformed. If Obama approaches foreign policy and national security much as Bush has the past eight years we will know he and those on the left didn't have a clue what President Bush has been up against since 9/11.

Soon enough Team Obama will learn that what George Bush has done is in the past and they will no longer be able to blame everything on him. They need to figure out how to keep this country strong and safe as President Bush has for the past eight years. Hopefully they will figure it out sooner rather than later.

Update: Lynne commenting on this post said the White House website picture is now of the Capitol. Then she accused me of lying about the huge picture of Obama that appeared there when I visited the site yesterday. I guess I will have to see if anyone grabbed a screenshot since even an Obama supporter doubts that he would have a huge picture of his head on taking up most of the White House website. For the record, I not only saw the website online, but when my kids were channel surfing yesterday afternoon saw a shot of it on CNN. I didn't hear what the report was about since I only caught a split second of it, but definitely saw the same page that appeared online.

Update II: Here is Lynne's comment questioning the White House website picture from yesterday: "And P.S., the whitehouse.gov has a picture of the Capitol on the front page so I don't know what internets you were on; spread your stupidity but when people can go and check, I suggest you keep the lies to a minimum." I guess since a simple screenshot or video from CNN will prove that what I said is true, people might want to keep inaccurately and unfairly accusing others of lying to a minimum.

Update III: Okay, I took the bait. Here is a link showing not only the big head Obama shot, but showing how the White House website appeared during the Bush administration. It took about 15 seconds on Google to find it.


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Comments (76)

Lori:You're too gene... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Lori:
You're too generous. No, they won't change. It's all they know. President Bush has something none of them ever will. It's called CLASS.

One more example among othe... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:

One more example among others that the Presidency is, indeed, above Obama's pay grade.

You wrote about a website t... (Below threshold)
A fan:

You wrote about a website this past July called momlogic.com. Well, you'll be saddened to learn that they have taken to exploiting a child in a sick little video denouncing President Bush. Please know that Warner Bros. owns momlogic and Essence magazine and seems to fawn over all things Obama, very sick and quite sad but expected from WB.

"Obama is still stuck in ca... (Below threshold)

"Obama is still stuck in campaign mode", heck the guy is still asking me for campaign contributions. That despite the fact that I have never and will never give any money to those people. How they got my e-mail I do not know although I suspect hijinks from friends.

The image of Cheney happy t... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

The image of Cheney happy to be publicly wheeled around in a wheelchair by an 80 pound woman in a lab coat will go down in history as highly symbolic in so many ways.

Still stuck, you're kidding... (Below threshold)
tarpon:

Still stuck, you're kidding right? The guy is an endless campaign. He is clearly trying to play President, not be President.

Obama votes "present".

One word you will never associate with Obama, and that word is 'character' There are plenty of other good words to use.

RE: "All the above leads me... (Below threshold)
kevino:

RE: "All the above leads me to believe Obama is still stuck in campaign mode."

He's a Democrat, and his staff is filled with ex-Clinton staffers. Of course he's in permanent campaign mode. The Clinton administration was in campaign mode 24/7, and they used every organ of the Federal government as a political tool. The Obama administration will do the same.

RE: "He has not yet learned how to be a leader. Certainly not the leader of the free world. Certainly not the leader of the greatest military in the world. "

I think that that is a unfair. No one comes to this job prepared for what it really means. It's too early to make observations like that. "He has not yet learned ..." Gee. He's been on the job less than a full day. How about a little slack?

RE: "Hopefully he and his supporters will get this childishness out of their systems."

Or he may do what he's done on the campaign trail: others do the dirty work, he acts above it all, and no one is ever accountable.

RE: "Soon enough Team Obama will learn that what George Bush has done is in the past and they will no longer be able to blame everything on him."

I think that Democrats will be running against President Bush for decades. Particularly if President Obama's policies fail, they'll point out that Bush left them in an impossible situation.

These are Democrats. Of course they don't have any class, any manners, and any respect for tradition. They believe in the acquisition and maintenance of power, and anything that benefits Democrats is fair game.

You guys are the petty ones... (Below threshold)
Sean:

You guys are the petty ones...give me a break.

Obama was talking to you. What is your personal savings rate? Have you made touch choices over the last year? Are you consuming more than you are producing?

Bush had class? He VIOLATED our Constitution. You call that class? He had the intellectual curiosity of a frog.

Signed,

A proud Marine, a former Republican, and an Independent who supports Obama.

Question:

What have you done for your country lately?

Losers! Losers! Losers! The... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

Losers! Losers! Losers! The man's been in office for a day and you're already claiming the downfall of his administration and dismantling of his ideals.

Get over it. You've got 4 to 8 more years to go. No matter what you have to say about him, NO ONE is siding with your perspective here.

Of course they will keep some elements of the Bush administration in place. That's what happens when an adult looks at the office and tries to decipher what is working and what is not, rather than dismantle everything based on idiology. No one has issue with this and it's not a big surprise to anyone - except maybe all of you.

And as far as Bush, he's been a disaster in so many ways it's astounding, thus the enormous welcome for our new President and the quick shove out the door of the old one. The concept that he got a few little things right is not unusual. What is is the enormous amount of things he got wrong.

Thanks Hansel2!I t... (Below threshold)
Sean:

Thanks Hansel2!

I thought I was the only one not hoodwinked here.

The Bush Prez was a disaster of epic proportions. I know so many Republicans who feel this way.

Not sure were Lorie is coming from.

Chuck the KoolAid - The Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld team set this nation back 50 years. I know. I spent 10 years in the military. I have spent years overseas working w/foreign firms. I manage YOUR retirement monies and understand economics and finance. Clinton shares the blame, along with Congress, as well. Include the Fed too. Bush failed our foreign policy, our military, our domestic policy (health care), and our budget (fighting a war and cutting taxes is very bad for our currency). Strike that, not bad, just plain criminal.

God help Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld if they travel abroad. They might be sent to the Hague for war crimes.

Now, let's move FORWARD...

These are Democrats... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

These are Democrats. Of course they don't have any class, any manners, and any respect for tradition. They believe in the acquisition and maintenance of power, and anything that benefits Democrats is fair game.

Have you looked at your party in the mirror for the past 8 years? You've just described the republicans, not the democrats. What world do you live in? Can you be that blind?

They live in a fairy tale..... (Below threshold)
Sean:

They live in a fairy tale...

May I suggest:

"The Emperor's New Clothes"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes


I'd love to hear those sayi... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

I'd love to hear those saying Bush and his followers were worse give me a handful of examples of worse behavior than those I could cite from Obama supporters/Democrats over the past eight years. Is there even one example of similar behavior from Republicans at the Clinton or Bush inaugurations or on the White House website under Bush?

A blogger friend of mine made this observation, "on the subject of those classless yahoo's booing Bush...the irony of course was that they were in attendance at a terrorist's wet dream of an event, and they were (and FELT) perfectly safe. Thanks to Bush."


Another of Michelles boys s... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Another of Michelles boys saying I am ashamed of my country. 50 years Sean boyo? Are you kidding me? Are you just BDS or stupid? Either one is bad.

Obama is going to be the worst president ever in the history of our nation. ww

Yea, cuz the guy holding th... (Below threshold)
Lynne:

Yea, cuz the guy holding the monkey at the McCain Palin rally was REAL classy. Oh, and yelling "terrorist" and "kill him". Right. Oh, I forgot, it's OK when you guys do it.

And P.S., the whitehouse.go... (Below threshold)
Lynne:

And P.S., the whitehouse.gov has a picture of the Capitol on the front page so I don't know what internets you were on; spread your stupidity but when people can go and check, I suggest you keep the lies to a minimum.

Sean - "Bush had class?... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Sean - "Bush had class? He VIOLATED our Constitution."

Gee, what is that, the 3,087,493,071th time that has been written in the last 100 or so hours?

An overstatement, but not by much.

Care to name when and where?

Sean - "God help Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld if they travel abroad. They might be sent to the Hague for war crimes." And then.... "Now, let's move FORWARD."

Shouldn't you be taking your own advice rather than perpetuating a pipe dream?

ww - "Obama is going to... (Below threshold)
Marc:

ww - "Obama is going to be the worst president ever in the history of our nation. ww"

Your wild predictions of an already "failed presidency" or this one are ignorant and boarder on childish.

Why conduct yourself like "them."

Wow, just read the comments... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Wow, just read the comments here and my point is made. The "kill him" comments at the rally were only heard by one reporter. Dozens of people interviewed, including 30+ secret service agents at the event did not hear anyone yell it. I guess Lynne missed that follow up report.

I just posted the following as an update to this post: "Lynne commenting on this post said the White House website picture is now of the Capitol. Then she accused me of lying about the huge picture of Obama that appeared there when I visited the site yesterday. I guess I will have to see if anyone grabbed a screenshot since even an Obama supporter doubts that he would have a huge picture of his head on taking up most of the White House website. For the record, I not only saw the website online, but when my kids were channel surfing yesterday afternoon saw a shot of it on CNN. I didn't hear what the report was about since I only caught a split second of it, but definitely saw the same page that appeared online."

If I grab a screenshot of the page I wonder if Lynne will apologize for unfairly saying I lied about it. I somehow doubt it.

Just posted this additional... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Just posted this additional update on my way out to enjoy the rest of the snow...

"Update II: Here is Lynne's comment questioning the White House website picture from yesterday: "And P.S., the whitehouse.gov has a picture of the Capitol on the front page so I don't know what internets you were on; spread your stupidity but when people can go and check, I suggest you keep the lies to a minimum."

I guess since a simple screenshot or video from CNN will prove that what I said is true, people might want to keep inaccurately and unfairly accusing others of lying to a minimum."

lynne - "Yea, cuz the g... (Below threshold)
Marc:

lynne - "Yea, cuz the guy holding the monkey at the McCain Palin rally was REAL classy. Oh, and yelling "terrorist" and "kill him". Right. Oh, I forgot, it's OK when you guys do it."

Lori covered one aspect of this however, there were two incidents of this occurring. In the second the yells of "terrorist" and "kill him" were in the context of refs to an actual terrorist, i.e. Ayres.

You know, the one even the Canadian Gov believes is a terrorist as they refused him entry to the country this week.

Guess no "palling around" with the Canucks for him

"The "kill him" comments at... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"The "kill him" comments at the rally were only heard by one reporter."-lb

"...secret service agents at the event did not hear anyone yell it."-lb

Millions heard it including me. And secret service agents are Praetorian Guards, not disinterested witnesses.

And white folks don't call "tell him!" Hell, black African Methodists don't call "tell him!" It's just the only syllables that could REMOTELY "do". "Will him?" "Thrill him?" "Fill him?"...see?

Sean:RE: "Bush had... (Below threshold)
kevino:

Sean:

RE: "Bush had class? He VIOLATED our Constitution. You call that class? He had the intellectual curiosity of a frog."

How did he violate the Constitution? Time after time the Left complains, but the courts support him. The biggest case he's lost was the need to grant more rights to Gitmo prisoners, but I think that the courts got that one wrong.

But here's the better question, even if you assume that he violated the Constitution and wasn't intellectually curious, what does that have to do with class?

Even better, the topic was bad behavior by Team Obama and His supporters. Their lack of class is being discussed, so throwing rocks at Bush just proves the point.

Hansel2:

I've been a Libertarian and independent for years: I'm not part of the GOP.

The difference between Republicans and Democrats in the last few years is that Democrats will say or do anything - including undermine the national security interests of the US - to advance their political aims.

EXAMPLE: Democrats supported President Clinton's moves in Iraq, voted for the Iraq war resolution, and supported the early efforts. Then many turned against the US and their allies, encouraged the insurgency, and offered the enemy a winning strategy: they cannot defeat our army, so they wear out the American public. It almost worked, and it gave hope to a new insurgency in Afghanistan.

In the past, both parties acknowledged that "politics stops at the water's edge". If Democrats had suggested ways to win the war more quickly, then that would have been good. Showing support for troops would have been helpful. Showing American resolve so that the insurgency would be discouraged would have been helpful. Instead, Democrats made political points by supporting the idea of ending the war immediately - at any cost. Publicly stating that the war cannot be won, is already lost, or is making things worse was not helpful.

How many American soldiers died or were wounded because of the insurgency that the Democrats encouraged? How many more will die?

EXAMPLE: Democrats won the election of 2006 promising to end the war in Iraq. If they had cut the funding, they could have ended the war at any time they chose. Instead they gave Bush all the funding that he wanted, and the war continues to this day so that they could win another election.

How many American soldiers died between the time that the war could have been stopped as promised and the present?

Basically the Democrats won elections by undermining our troops in the field.

Okay, I took the bait. Her... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Okay, I took the bait. Here is the link showing the old and new WH websites. It took about 15 seconds on Google to find it:

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/obama-renovates-whitehousegov/

Dozens of people in... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

Dozens of people interviewed, including 30+ secret service agents at the event did not hear anyone yell it. I guess Lynne missed that follow up report.

The agents made that statement before they even began interviewing anyone. You want evidence, watch the well-publicized video. It's plain as day - above and beyond the other person yelling "treason." Now, if you don't believe the video, I guess you also have question as to whether Rodney King was actually beaten on his.

Whether 30 or more people heard one of a hundred in an event is relative. When every single person at that event says they didn't hear it, then call me. Otherwise, you're not right and the video is.

Every claim made on this site is shot down by you people - and not necessarily because it's wrong. Truth became a gray area during the Bush administration and you all have just followed suit. You wouldn't know the truth if it put it rubbed up against you and put it's tongue down your throat, and, quite honestly, it's not about the truth on this site anyway. It's always been about winning an argument at all costs, truth be damned - and with that strategy, you'll always lose.

The country's beyond your pettiness. Get used to it.

lori - "Here is the lin... (Below threshold)
Marc:

lori - "Here is the link showing the old and new WH websites. It took about 15 seconds on Google to find it:"

Lynne?

Oh lynne, the ball is in your court.

Hansel2:Truth bec... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Hansel2:
Truth became a gray area during the Bush administration..

Really ? I guess that depends on what the definition of 'is' is, eh ?

Thousands of people at the ... (Below threshold)
John:

Thousands of people at the rally, yet somehow the Tribune reporter heard, above all the other noise, what he reported to have heard...but let's forget the Kill Bush t-shirts, paintings of his discapitation, burnings of the U.S. flag and his effigy, the molotov cocktails thrown at McCain signs, the attempted murder of Katherine Harris, and many more that has been documented of Democrat hatred.

I rather take the word of Secret Service than the a lone reporter...

And don't even dare to talk about "winning at all costs" because that is what the Democrat party has been about since Gore lost the election. If you don't like what wizbang does, stop coming here.

I glad I stumbled across and appreciate that wizbang allows various comments. Unlike wizbangblue who will ban anyone who takes them on, especially Lee Ward and Paul Hoosen are quick on the ad-hominem attacks, but can't seem to take it themselves.

Speaking of poor beginnings... (Below threshold)
John:

Speaking of poor beginnings, just read how Obama snubbed Medal of Honor recipients by not attending the Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball...a tradition that started with Eisenhower and one that every President has attended in 56 years...until Obama.

"Bush had class? He VIOL... (Below threshold)
John S:

"Bush had class? He VIOLATED our Constitution."

Go read the Constitution and tell me specifically what Article and Section Bush violated. You do know what the Constitution is? Or did you go to a public school. As for Obama, He's never managed anything in His life. Not even the night shift at McDonald's as a youth. The next few weeks will be eye opening for the One.

Here's another link to a sc... (Below threshold)
Aye Chihuahua:

Here's another link to a screen shot of Obie's mug on the White House site:

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/images/obamica_whitehouse.html

Lynne will be by to apologize any minute now.

Any. Minute. Now.

Yeah. I'm not holding my breath either.

Remember Lynne, nothing on the Net ever goes away. Ever.

"Millions heard it inclu... (Below threshold)

"Millions heard it including me."

I didn't, and I replayed a vid clip of the "incident" in question over and over again. I couldn't make out what the hell was said at all, because it was a mumbled mess.

However, I have seen this, and this and this and this.

You cite one instance of a possibility that someone was being an absolute idiot who wouldn't represent anyone but him or herself. Where's the outrage for the examples I've provided? These examples aren't just from a few morons BTW, but thankfully, "Death of a President" was a box office bomb.

Wow! The left was taken in ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Wow! The left was taken in the Barry and the reality of their vote is sinking in. They are still bashing GW, but for 24 hours now all the problems we face are democratic now.

Obama is a failure. ww

"The pettiness of many o... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"The pettiness of many of Obama's supporters' public reaction to President Bush during the inauguration ceremony was shocking to me." -- Lorie

Pettiness? What pettiness? Heck, The Left was quite sweet to Chimpy that day, even singing a song for him, as well as for all of you conservatives:

NAH NAH NAH NAH
NAH NAH NAH NAH
HEY HEY HEY
GOODBYE!!!

NAH NAH NAH NAH
NAH NAH NAH NAH
HENAH NAH NAH NAH
NAH NAH NAH NAH
HEY HEY HEY
GOODBYE!!!Y HEY HEY

GOODBYE!!!

Go read the Consti... (Below threshold)
jmc:
Go read the Constitution and tell me specifically what Article and Section Bush violated. You do know what the Constitution is? Or did you go to a public school. As for Obama, He's never managed anything in His life. Not even the night shift at McDonald's as a youth. The next few weeks will be eye opening for the One.

written by Anthony Gregory.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

This one is a no-brainer. The Patriot Act's "Sneak and Peak" provision allows the feds to come into your home, search your residence, and leave without telling you for up to six months. It has expanded the government's powers under the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act to get warrants for wiretaps from special courts, not subject to the same oversight as typical courts. Another provision allowed the FBI to obtain library records from librarians, who had to keep their mouths shut about confrontations with officials. Within months of 9/11, law enforcers had visited nearly 10 percent of America's libraries "seeking September 11-related information about patron reading habits."2 The Justice Department has resurrected COINTELPRO, a surveillance program that subverted groups and incited violence between political dissidents in the Vietnam era. The administration's ultimate goal of "Total Information Awareness" flies in the face of any decent understanding of the Fourth Amendment.

Under Clinton, the Fourth Amendment was already in serious trouble due to the War on Drugs and other domestic surveillance programs. It has gotten indescribably worse since the 1990s, when Aschroft complained that Clinton wanted "to hand Big Brother the keys to unlock our e-mail diaries, open our ATM records, read our medical records, or translate our international communications."3 If today's Aschroft met his counterpart from the 1990s, he would probably say that his avatar's warnings against Clinton's policies were frightening "peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty" and that such anti-government paranoia only gives "ammunition to America's enemies and pause to America's friends."

The Bush administration has no intention to allow the anachronistic Fourth Amendment to disrupt the War on Terrorism. This is a war for freedom, after all, and we cannot let trivial liberties get in the way.


Now John S. I would suggest before you even read the constitution you should start with a school house rock on the subject.

It's a good thing that Obam... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

It's a good thing that Obama was able to bring us all together and stop the political bickering that has so divided this nation. Now if he can just keep his other campaign promises as well.

In a magnanimous gesture Obama has allowed Bush to keep his White House web site. They just moved it to WhiteHouse.Org. You can see the full text of President Bush's Farewell Speech.
                                      :-)

"Now if he can just kee... (Below threshold)
Marc:

"Now if he can just keep his other campaign promises as well."

Like "stimulating" the economy?

Too bad "approximately $355 billion in proposed discretionary spending on highways, renewable energy and other initiatives wouldn't be spent before 2011. The government would spend about $26 billion of the money this year and $110 billion more next year," the report said.

Another boondoggle in the making, and THIS time it's all on B. Hussien Obama.

Goodbye, Herman. Glad to s... (Below threshold)

Goodbye, Herman. Glad to see you go. We'll be voting again in 2010, BTW.

Go read the Constitution... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Go read the Constitution and tell me specifically what Article and Section Bush violated.

How about Article IV, Section 4, Paragraph 1?
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestics Violence.

With an estimated 20 million aliens illegally in the United States and perhaps an additional 3 million added annually to that number. The question arises: Does this constitute an "invasion?" If not, what would an invasion look like? If yes, then what should Bush have done, in the words of Article IV, Section 4 to "protect each of [the States] against invasion"? Because it looked to me as though he did absolutely nothing, other than undermine the Constitution in this regard.

However, to be fair to the former President, It appears that the government as a whole, the people we voted for and elected to represent us, are not carrying out their duties or living up to their responsibilities.

The President and Congressional representatives who allow this invasion by illegal immigrants are violating their oath of office. They have sworn to uphold the Constitution, and they are not doing so.

This one is a no-b... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
This one is a no-brainer. The Patriot Act's "Sneak and Peak" provision allows the feds to come into your home, search your residence, and leave without telling you for up to six months.

Prior to 9/11/01, and still in effect today, the government can record your phone conversation without a warrant naming you and even prosecute you for what you said. Just ask Eliot Spitzer.

Apparently the government has been violating the forth amendment for some time, but I haven't heard any complaints until Bush used the same principle to legally tap into the calls to and from overseas terror suspects. Somehow if you call a brothel or pawn shop that has a legal wiretap on their phone you can be recorded without violation the forth amendment, but if you call a terrorist overseas who has a legal wiretap on their phone your constitutional rights are being violated. In nether case is there a warrant issued with your name or phone number on it.

As long as we are going to repeal the Patriot Act lets also repeal whatever law allows your conversation to be recorded or intercepted without a warrant that specifically names you or lists your phone number. It's clear that's what the forth amendment requires.
             :-)

I thought I was th... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
I thought I was the only one not hoodwinked here.

"You've been hosed, Tommy!" You have never been hoodwinked here, but all Obama supporters, as well as non-supporters and indifferent, will be royally screwed over, like a shot in the dark.

Go read the Constitution... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Go read the Constitution and tell me specifically what Article and Section Bush violated.

Yep, the Patriot Act is a big stain for Bush in respect to the Constitution. I never understood why conservatives didn't raise a collective stink about that. I acknowledge that it probably saved lives, but at what cost to our liberty? I'm reminded of a Benjamin Franklin quote: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Amendment IV: Freedom from unreasonable searches - Under the Patriot Act, the government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

Amendment VI: Right to a speedy and public trial - Under the Patriot Act, the government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

Amendment I: Freedom of association - To assist terror investigation, the Patriot Act allows the government to monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity.

Amendment VI: Right to legal representation - The Patriot Act allows the government to monitor conversations between attorneys and clients in federal prisons and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

Amendment I: Freedom of speech - The Patriot Act allows the government to prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

Amendment VI: Right to being confronted with the witnesses - Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them. US citizens (labeled "unlawful combatants") have been held incommunicado and refused attorneys.

BTW, didn't Bush have to sign McCain-Feingold? That was a pretty big hit to the freedom of speech.

Herman, Disingenuous... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Herman,
Disingenuous is thy name.
You are crass and tasteless.
It must cause you great pain to
be the least civil in your disagreement.
President Bush was your president
just as President Obama is your president
now, and if you can't show continous respect
for the office of president maybe you should
be encouraged to start your own blog,
immigrate over to Blue or somewhere else
where all of the posters are as low as
you are.

Yep, the Patriot ... (Below threshold)
jmc:
Yep, the Patriot Act is a big stain for Bush in respect to the Constitution. I never understood why conservatives didn't raise a collective stink about that.

To be fair, Democrats and Republicans in congress are as much to blame.

Obamas Chief of Staff......... (Below threshold)
tjgal:

Obamas Chief of Staff.......Rahm Emanuel...what to u think....wow...he was on the board of Freddie Mac when lots of scandels were starting there..........wtg Obama

jmc - "To be fair, Demo... (Below threshold)
Marc:

jmc - "To be fair, Democrats and Republicans in congress are as much to blame."

Precisely, and please remind me which current resident of the WH voted yes on the federal surveillance law in July? (a flip-flop from a previous position BTW)

So, as some claim it violate the Constitution, when does the impeachment start?

Wall Street Journal Poll - ... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

Wall Street Journal Poll - Bush Job Performance

9/15 - 16/01

Approve 88%
Disapprove 7%

Who's right? Well, I'll give this one to the 88%. Right after 9/11. Everyone is scared. Bush responded properly and decided to go into Afghanistan. Right move. The descenters had no case.

1/9 - 12/09

Approve 27%
Disapprove 67%

Who's right? The 67%. They've had 8 years to judge this man, watched the Katrina disaster on tv with their own eyes and saw how the Federal government was severely lacking (doesn't matter what your take is on it. The majority of us felt this way), found the Dubai port deal to be part of a "pattern" of negligence (doesn't matter what your take is on it. The majority of us felt this way). Believed that we entered Iraq under false pretenses and bungled our first few years there (doesn't matter what your take is on it. The majority of us felt this way) - and saw our economy and their individual values destroyed by an economic meltdown that happened 7 years into this man's Presidency. These are the simplest facts.

At the beginning of Bush's term, most didn't know him and were less attentive to politics. By the end of his term, everyone was educated about this man and how his administration worked, could decipher the bull from the facts, and weren't responding to the scare tactics anymore. They're minds were open and their opinions were changed as the facts came in.

Who's wrong? The 27%.

The 27% stubbornly scoffed at evidence to the contrary of their opinion, apologized or blamed others for any criticism made of Bush, and felt that they alone were the gatekeepers of the truth while everyone else was "brainwashed" by the MSM.

Simple truth, guys. People rarely become more ignorant as they become more educated and aware. You, on the other hand, somehow believe that this man who has left us with a world worse than when he began his job, is being misunderstood and EVERYONE else is brainwashed. Doesn't that seem just a tad convenient for you?

Come up with whatever scenario you want, feel you are right about your view of the facts, but at the end of the day, the world - an a majority of Americans - believed this man to be a failure. The world is right. You are wrong.

If you want to rethink this, then I submit that Hoover, Nixon and Carter were great Presidents as well, despite public opinion and the facts. Now THAT'S delusional.

...and lets put it this way... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

...and lets put it this way, if Obama leaves office with a 27% approval rating, he will be a failure as well.

President Bush was your ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

President Bush was your president
just as President Obama is your president
now, and if you can't show continous respect
for the office of president maybe you should
be encouraged to start your own blog,

Hmm, another transgression discovered only after a liberal commits it. What are the odds?

I was going to link to the "not my president" references to Obama that have been posted on Wizbang lately, but I don't think the software allows me to post that many links. Regardless, they were all lacking the crack admonition about showing continuous respect. Shocked, I am.

(By the way, in case you hadn't heard... Bush is no longer in "the office of president".)

bryand,That post was... (Below threshold)
maggie:

bryand,
That post was not directed at you.
Moving the goal posts of the subject
is dishonest. I was directing my post
at Herman.
If you don't like it, move on.

hansel2 - "Everyone is ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

hansel2 - "Everyone is scared. Bush responded properly and decided to go into Afghanistan. Right move. The descenters had no case..... 1/9 - 12/09.... Approve 27%.... Disapprove 67%

Bush approval March 2003 the month of the start of Iraqi Freedom: 50-about 58 approval rating.

Gee, could the slide not be all attributed to going into Irawq but how it was mis-managed?

Could it also be partly due to the horseshit Plame case that broke in June 2003.

Nah, it just couldn't be none of that right?

Today on national News they... (Below threshold)
Patricia:

Today on national News they feautured custom wardrobes for Obama's children by J CREW. I myself as a serious consumer of J Crew called the corporate office in New York to ask them if they had made the same offer to the Bush girls. They proudly said No! I continued to ask them if it was a smart business decision to publicly pick a political party with the end result possibly being people of the opposing political party choosing to not shop at J CREW. When a company endorses a political party we as consumers also have the legal right to choose not to shop there and as a conservative that is exactly what I am going to do. As conservatives we have to pay close attention to where we spend our money especially to companies that have become campaign headquaters for Democrats. I think during this election period and now the Obama poresidency business owners with political affiliations have made themselves known. That would be Bill Gates at Microsoft. Buy APPLE! Warren Buffet for multiple small businesses across this country including Sees candy do the research find out the rest and DO NOT SHOP THERE. Pepsi Cola who now carries the Obama seal on the Pepsi can. Ben and Jerry's ice cream it would be wise to boycott sponsers for the Oprah show in the name of Sarah Pallin recommended books by Oprah and Movie stars who publicly spit on conservatives, do not pay to watch their movies. Boycott The View and the sponsors " The Zero IQ Panel" Google use Yahoo! instead
The Liberal party fancies themselves as the party of true wealth and sucess with the highest intelligence of man kind. I am perefectly content to be of the party of self reliance and seperate myself from any democratic efforts to brainwash by way of tv commercials AARP and many more! The wealth of the Dems does not need my money or yours! If the Dems have lowered themselves to the point that they will sell the Lincoln Monument to HBO we can certainley as conservatives be steadfast in boycottong their businesses. Conservatives fight back! Stop being know as the party of the Whimps! Remember money given to any liberal businesses will always translate into Campaign Dollars for their cause. Choose not to participate!

He's going to run the execu... (Below threshold)
Dave:

He's going to run the executive branch like a campaign. Straight up slick PR and packaging. His policies are not apparent without digging. One thing this administration will be excellent at is going to be propaganda. Looks like there is a willing crowd ready to buy it hook line and sinker.

No thanks, maggyd, I'll sti... (Below threshold)
Brian:

No thanks, maggyd, I'll stick around. I wouldn't want to miss you telling those who can't show continuous respect for the office of president to start their own blog or move on.

bryand,That post ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

bryand,
That post was not directed at you.

Oh, since I'm "Brian", I guess that one wasn't directed at me either. Never mind.
depp=true
notiz=Now corrected, Brian. Move on.

Could it also be pa... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

Could it also be partly due to the horseshit Plame case that broke in June 2003.

Lets repeat what I said:

"The 27% stubbornly scoffed at evidence to the contrary of their opinion, apologized or blamed others for any criticism made of Bush."

You believe it to be horshit. Most people don't, and even if they bicker on the facts of the case, the overriding feeling was something unseemly was committed, and it wasn't done by the democrats, the MSM or anyone else.

Apologies and stubborn refusal to accept anything that doesn't fit your view of the world. You're still on the wrong side of the argument.

I saw the big head BHO pict... (Below threshold)
Lynn:

I saw the big head BHO picture BHO yesterday when I went to the white house web sight. I also read the digs at GWB on the site. Big ego, no class = Obama.

Hansel2. He bases all thing... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Hansel2. He bases all things on how he "feels" not on the facts or evidence. Really mature. What are you a teenager? ww

Hansel2:You're Pet... (Below threshold)

Hansel2:

You're Pete Repeat show is as annoying as it looks. Really. We get your point. Thanks!

Everyone spends a whole lot... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

Everyone spends a whole lotta time defending this indefensible man, yet no one can logically explain the dramatic shift by the majority of the country with anything other than the usual, tired conspiracy theories.

I'd really like to know - if he's as spectacular as you say he is, as trustworthy and successful, why can't anyone explain why the majority of the country and the world find him to be untrustworthy and a failure?

(and, please, try to do that without blaming the MSM, the democrats, Obama worshippers, tight pants or any other red herrings).

Oh, and making fun of me isn't really an answer.

According to a poll taken 1... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

According to a poll taken 1/20/09 Bush leaves office with a 98% approval rating.

The poll randomly surveyed 3,000 registered voters in Midland Texas.
                :-)

According to a poll taken o... (Below threshold)
Hansel2:

According to a poll taken on 1/21/09 9:19pm eastern standard time, Bush leaves office with a 0% approval rating.

The poll randomly surveyed 1 registered voter in NY.

Hansel2:I don't pu... (Below threshold)

Hansel2:

I don't put much value into polls. I also don't put much value into answering a pop quiz administered by you. Agree to disagree, so we can all join hands and sing Kumbaya.

Once again, your Pete Repeat show is as annoying as it looks. Really. We get your point. Thanks!

According to a poll taken o... (Below threshold)
Tim:

According to a poll taken on 01/21/09 at 7:15 CDT, Obama entered office with a 300% approval rating.

The poll randomly surveyed 1 dead registered Chicago voter 3 times.

I'd really like to... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
I'd really like to know - if he's as spectacular as you say he is, as trustworthy and successful, why can't anyone explain why the majority of the country and the world find him to be untrustworthy and a failure?

The majority of people don't like war. Even in WW2 it was difficult for FDR to keep the American people from wanting to quit. Lincoln faced the same problem. I'm not saying it's a bad thing that most people quickly tire of war, but when war is necessary, it takes a strong leader to maintain his resolve to win when most of the public is ready to quit. Like him or hate him, Bush was the right man for the job after 9/11.

Obama says he's looking forward and not behind; he's focusing on the future not dwelling on the past. Obama has made concesions to Republicans in order to rebuild a common purpose for our nation. If a conservative like me is ready to move forward it seems liberals should be more than willing to follow the man they elected. Liberals keep telling us the election is over, but they don't seem to believe their own words and keep rehashing the past. Let the historians decide how great or poor a president Bush was from a future time when the impact of his policies can be accurately judged.

Tim:+100000. LOL!... (Below threshold)

Tim:

+100000. LOL!

Honest Democrat is a contra... (Below threshold)
Ken Hahn:

Honest Democrat is a contradiction in terms.

Hansel2The media f... (Below threshold)
MF:

Hansel2
The media force feed their negative views about Bush and the war. Libs just spit back out what those views were.
Obama won because he was advocated from the onset by the mainstream media and has celebrity/hollywood support.
The public got fatique on the neg news.
And congrats now Obama has won. It is time to prove himself instead of continuing to run a campaign and be negative. Get on with it Obama... you won ... it's show time prove yourself that you are really here to do the best for the US citizens!

Mac Lorry -"Let th... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Mac Lorry -

"Let the historians decide how great or poor a president Bush was from a future time when the impact of his policies can be accurately judged."

It's very difficult to judge while in office what the effects are of any particular President's decisions. A lot of the foriegn relations stuff that Carter started (and was somewhat praised for) didn't hit home for a good decade or more, though his fumbling of the economy and Iran certainly wasn't popular. And Reagan's policies were pretty reviled- though later on proved to be VERY much the right things to do.

Time will indeed tell - and I think future historians will judge Bush much differently than the current crop of media pundits who can't see anything but their dislike of him.

I see you are all still wai... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

I see you are all still waiting for Lynne to offer her apology for her incorrect statements...

How long before this countr... (Below threshold)

How long before this country becomes a fascist state?
http://www.rightklik.net/

Hansel2:Apologies... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Hansel2:
Apologies and stubborn refusal to accept anything that doesn't fit your view of the world.

Uh.. what ? That underdeveloped cerebral cortex of yours is showing itself again.

"I see you are all still... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"I see you are all still waiting for Lynne to offer her apology for her incorrect statements..."

Nah, not so much. She knows what she's been taught, and what her friends believe, and it's more important to her that she align her opinions with the doctrine she's been bathing in than for her to actually look at the evidence and admit she was wrong.

My husband and I have been ... (Below threshold)
ElvenPhoenix:

My husband and I have been watching the Presidents series on the History Channel. It gives some perspective to the men and the office, and the effect that they have on the country.

Although there is a perceptible slanting on some of the past Presidents, it is overall an excellent series, pointing out some of the difficulties our country has encountered - and how Presidents past contributed to the problems or helped resolve them. All in all, it gives us hope that whatever policies Obama enacts through his hubris and inexperience will eventually be corrected for even though we may experience some pain in the interrim.

...and if Obama governs the way Clinton did (by the polls) he may just end up being the best Republican on the hill...

"She knows what she's been ... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

"She knows what she's been taught, and what her friends believe, and it's more important to her that she aligns her opinions with the doctrine she's been bathing in than for her to actually look at the evidence and admit she was wrong."

Do you even hear yourself, dude? That is the definition of a Bush conservative!

This Lynne person was wrong on this one point of fact. She may have no intention of apologising. Then again, she may have gone to work, or lost interest in this long thread.

Why do conservatives think that only they have minds strong enough to resist the "brainwashing" of the "liberal media?" Do you guys imagine that the 26% of you who watch FOX and listen to Limbaugh are somehow smarter than the rest of us?

Bruce,The cult of Ob... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Bruce,
The cult of Obama is unlike anything I have ever seen before -- certainly no following George Bush had could compare. It includes those in the media that routinely ignore or cover up information that makes Obama look bad or exposes any of his errors. We aren't smarter than the average Obama worshipper. We just live in the real world and have never seen George Bush as a god who can do no wrong, as some appear to see Obama. That's all.




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