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Insane Paranoid Conspiracy Thread

One of our less-than-balanced readers tried to hijack a thread earlier today, by presenting his home-cooked-but-half-baked theory that El Clintonistas de Fuego Morte were setting up a coup, on the basis that President Obama was not really sworn in as the legitimate President on Tuesday. This reminds me that every so often we need to allow our more, hmm, 'creative' members to present and defend their favorite conspiracy theories. Some of those theories can be logical and persuasive, but frankly most are amusing for their complete disconnection from Reality.

So, whether you feel compelled to save America from the People of Area 51, or you just heard a story so hilariously outrageous you had to share it, here's your place. Show time, Ted!


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First, below is my posting ... (Below threshold)
Ted:

First, below is my posting for the reader's ready reference; and here's a challenge, keep the criticism to SUBSTANCE, rather than comments like "insane" and "paranoid" and I will endeavor to address them.


* * *


Take the test.

FIRST QUESTION: Who IS the actual and lawful 44th President of the USA?

ANSWER: Joe Biden

Biden was initially the Acting President for at least 5 minutes under either the Constitution's Article 2 or the Constitution's 20th Amendment, from 12:00 Noon 1/20/09, having already taken his Oath of Office and before Obama completed his 'oath' at approximately 12:05 PM, 1/20/09. Under the 20th Amendment if the President-elect shall have failed to qualify, or alternatively under Article 2 if the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term, being 12:00 Noon 1/20/09, which ability and/or qualification includes that he take the Article 2 oath "before he enter on the execution of his office," then either the Presidency shall devolve on the Vice President under Article 2 or the Vice President shall act as President under the 20th Amendment. (The importance of the oath in 'commencing' an 'Obama Presidency' -- rather than merely the 1/20/09 Noon time -- is confirmed by the re-take of the 'oath' by Obama at the White House on 1/21/09 after the first 'oath' was NOT administered by Justice Roberts NOR recited by Obama in the words as required under Article 2.)

This is significant because at such time that the Supreme Court finally rules on the merits on Obama's disqualification as not being an Article 2 "natural born citizen" (clearly he is NOT), Biden's automatic status (without needing to take a separate Presidential Oath) of being President would be predicated upon four different bases: First, having been Vice President under Article 2; second, having been Vice President-elect under the 20th Amendment; third, having been actual President in the hiatus before Obama took the 'oath(s)'; and fourth, retroactively deemed President during the full period of the Obama usurpation so that the acts of the Federal Government under the usurpation can be deemed authorized and/or ratified by Biden's legitimacy.

SECOND QUESTION: Who will be the 45th President?

ANSWER: Hillary Clinton

One must assume that Bill and Hillary Clinton have been aware of all of the above. Biden's wife recently "let the cat out of the bag" on the Oprah Show that both Biden and Hillary had considered alternatively Veep or Secretary of State, in either case, setting up Hillary to be President on a vote of the Democratic Congress if need be.

THIRD QUESTION: Is Obama an unwitting victim of this troika or a knowing participant?

ANSWER: Yet undetermined.

I always wondered what happ... (Below threshold)
epador:

I always wondered what happened to that UAL spin-off.

epador, "UAL spin-off", tha... (Below threshold)
Ted:

epador, "UAL spin-off", that's an example of a comment avoiding any substance.

No, a reference to you as a... (Below threshold)
epador:

No, a reference to you as a failed discount conspiracy comment-or is right on target.

epador, you prove my point.... (Below threshold)
Ted:

epador, you prove my point.

Anyone else?

Having been referred to as ... (Below threshold)

Having been referred to as "America's Hat" one time too many, Canada sent an agent to conquer the U.S. by virtue of his massive intellect. Unfortunately for them, due to their use of the metric system, they thought an IQ of 40 was extremely high and as a result sent Hyperbolist as their agent. His plan to conquer America by trolling Wizbang has proven to be disappointing, to say the least. However, several Americans have been killed by his lethal body odor which, as a face-saving measure, has been taken as a symbolic victory against the evil American hegemony.

Wow, not only is Ted chuggi... (Below threshold)

Wow, not only is Ted chugging down the Kool-Aid, he's snorting the dry powder directly from the envelope.

Just a few points of fact:<... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Just a few points of fact:

1 - The noon on January 20 tradition of swearing in the President is just that, a tradition. In 1789, for example, when George Washington was sworn in, he was sworn in New York city, in early afternoon on Thursday April 30, 1789. Eyewitness William Maclay noted that as Washington "trembled, and several times could scarce make out to read" as he took the oath of office.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/washingtoninaug.htm

The significance of this event in Washington's life is germane, because no one has ever claimed, much less presented a compelling case, that Washington was not properly sworn in. This establishes the precedent that while the oath of office is required, a perfect presentation of that oath is not required, the clear intent being sufficient to satisfy both protocol and the law. This is further evidenced by the additional clause in Section 1, reading "the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin". This is salient because more than a few Senate and Congressional swearings-in have not been performed at precisely noon. The tradition is not a trip-wire, but applied by a reasonable standard of meeting requirements to the best of ability. Note also that Senator Burris was not sworn in for several days after the other senators, yet his seat is legally valid in every respect.

2 - Barack Obama enjoys the presumption of innocence. If it is proven in court that he is in fact not a natural-born citizen, then that condition will be addressed, but the court is prohibited from presuming guilt, and therefore the lack of a court action is pro forma authentication of legitimacy, albeit one which could be revoked by a later court ruling. However, there is no compelling evidence presented as yet which could reasonably be considered "proof" that Barack Obama was not in fact born in Hawaii as he has always claimed. In fact, in addition to the disputed certificate, there is the matter of the newspaper announcement in Honolulu of Barack's birth, which supports the defendant's position substantially.

3 - The statement that either Biden or Clinton was considered for either the Secretary of State or Vice-President position has no support other than the claim. The sole apparent source for the claim is Ms. Biden's claim on the television show "The View", wherein she claimed that Biden had been given his choice of VP or SecState. Vice-President Biden and President Obama have both stated that this claim was not true in fact, but a mistatement by Mrs. Biden. No one has ever claimed that Hillary Clinton was ever considered for the Vice-President post, nor has there been any established connection by Bill Clinton in relation to Barack Obama beyond his agreement to campaign in selected states for Obama in the fall of 2008.

The claim by Ted lacks merit on its face, in both form and support.

Master Shake's and Oregon M... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Master Shake's and Oregon Muse's comments prove my point, no substance.

Nice try DJ, but you know i... (Below threshold)

Nice try DJ, but you know it's fallen on deaf ears.

Ted - <a href="http://www.s... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Ted - screw you and the space ship you rode in on. (Was Dennis Kucinich in the jump-seat?)

Master Shake - BRAVO!... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Master Shake - BRAVO!

(With five Gold Stars)

Regarding Drummond's commen... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Regarding Drummond's comments,

Drummond's #1 paragraph: tradition or no tradition, it's irrelevent. The Constitution provides that the old Presidency/administration term ends at noon. Hence, at noon on 1/20/09 Obama was not yet sworn in meaning he hadn't met that constitutionally REQUIRED provivion to yet serve as President; while Biden was alredy sworn in and under the Constitution the Vice President would be/serve as President in the absence and/or incapacity of a President.

Drummond's #2 paragraph: this is not a criminal case; it's to determine qualification to be President; hence the comments about "burden" are irrelevent. In any case, Obama has provided ABSOULTELY NO WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION ESTABLISHING BORN IN HAWAII, or ANY WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION responding to the reasonable questions in light of other facts and statements -- yet supposedly such documents exists yet HE STEADFASTLY REFUSES TO PRESENT THEM. Under res ipsa loquitur, that speaks for itself or at the least, DOES shift the burden to Obama.

Drummond's #3 paragraph. I was referring to the statement by Biden's wife. IT IS A PROVABLE FACT THAT SHE UTTERED THAT STATEMENT.

Marc's comments prove my po... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Marc's comments prove my point, no substance.

So, whether you feel com... (Below threshold)

So, whether you feel compelled to save America from the People of Area 51, or you just heard a story so hilariously outrageous you had to share it, here's your place.

Uhhh, Ted, you're not much for reading comprehension, are you? I see no requirement to address your stupidity.

Master Shake's latest comme... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Master Shake's latest comment, again proves my point. Refuses to provide substance.

Ted, I'm pretty sure you ha... (Below threshold)

Ted, I'm pretty sure you have ample supply of whatever "substance" you have been injecting/snorting/inhaling.

Ted, loosen the bun man. ww... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Ted, loosen the bun man. ww

Master Shake continues to a... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Master Shake continues to avoid the issues and facts which I raised (and still is not very funny or clever).

Mr. Drummond, what does this say about the caliber of your commenters?

Mr. Drummond, see comments ... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Mr. Drummond, see comments like WildeWillie's. Do you now see what I mean?

Mr. Drummond, what... (Below threshold)
Mr. Drummond, what does this say about the caliber of your commenters?

That we're not Kool-Aid-drinking conspiracy loons?

OregonMuse, can you address... (Below threshold)
Ted:

OregonMuse, can you address any of the facts and issues presented in my post? That you can't or won't reveals that the kool-aid is on your side, not mine.

Ted, I'd say it says a grea... (Below threshold)

Ted, I'd say it says a great deal about the caliber of the commenters. They seem to have realized that DJ's response to you is complete, accurate, and solid, and nothing else need be added to it. Rather than simply say nothing, though, they feel compelled to add their own comments -- and since DJ has deprived them of anything of substance, they contribute their own witticisms and derision.

That they are doing so with such verve does, indeed, speak highly of them. And remind me that I miss them...

In brief: DJ's right, you're wrong, you're an idiot, and you're a whackjob. The last three are not synonymous, but in your case there does seem to be a bit of an interrelationship between them...

J.

Sorry, Ted - you're really ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Sorry, Ted - you're really reaching on this one and I don't see any evidence that a sudden coup will occur. You're basing your chain of proposed events on a 5-minute gap - but after that, what you're proposing is far more imaginary than anything else.

Maybe it will come about - but that's not how I'd bet at this point.

JLawson, can you offer any ... (Below threshold)
Ted:

JLawson, can you offer any substantive refutation? And, if so, on what particular points?

teddy boy (and I DO mean BO... (Below threshold)
Marc:

teddy boy (and I DO mean BOY) "Marc's comments prove my point, no substance."

Then you either didn't read the link provided (what the hell, it's ONLY the U.S. Supreme Court blog afterall!) or did and felt the need to not only disregard it but act like the conspiracy nut you are.

And JLawsom since you raise... (Below threshold)
Ted:

And JLawsom since you raise a "coup", if anything, there already HAS BEEN A COUP D'ETAT of our Constitutional Republic by Mr. Obama's usurpation of our constitution.

Does this not trouble anyone on this thread?

Ted, it must be lonely bein... (Below threshold)
Parthenon:

Ted, it must be lonely being the only guy that gets it.

Marc, please just don't mak... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Marc, please just don't make links. Please summarize in some narrative here. (I could make oodles of links, but want to discuss the points.)

Parthenon, not so much lone... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Parthenon, not so much lonely, but it's downright scary that the lack of knowledge and understanding by our population has come to this (which perhaps explains in part why Obama and/or Team Obama has gotten this far).

Jay Tea, any substance plea... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Jay Tea, any substance please? On particular points?

And Jay Tea, by the way, ar... (Below threshold)
Ted:

And Jay Tea, by the way, are the Justices on the Supreme Court "idiots", "whack jobs" etc. for docketing, AND CONFERENCING THESE CASES!?!

teddy bot - "Marc, plea... (Below threshold)
Marc:

teddy bot - "Marc, please just don't make links. Please summarize in some narrative here. (I could make oodles of links, but want to discuss the points.)"

Ah-ha, now we know the source of the delusions. teddy boy is not only intellectually lazy and can't be bothered with clicking a hyper-link but claims some superiority by the ability to provide "oodles of links"

Well, give smart guy, but be aware more than 2, possibly 3 links in a single comment and it will be sent to the mod cue.

This from and endorsed by the SCOTUS blog:

first, that Obama also signed a written copy of the constitutional oath after the public swearing-in, and, second, that the Constitution's Twentieth Amendment can be interpreted to mean that the President actually takes office precisely at noon whether or not the oath has been given, and that the oath is necessary only because the President embarks on Executive duties.

Marc, did Obama sign an oat... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Marc, did Obama sign an oath before 12:05 PM, 1/20/09???

Ted, I have wasted far too ... (Below threshold)

Ted, I have wasted far too much time in my lfe arguing bullshit with you fringe conspiracy loons. You claim to be open to reason, but you're actually impervious to it, as are all fringe conspiracy loons. Your mind is made up and absolutely does not want to be confused with the facts. If you want to feel superior because no-one is bothering to address your so-called points, by all means feel free. If you want to think it's because your claims are iron-clad irrefutable, feel free to believe that, too. It's just one more in a long list of delusions you cling to.

Well, give smart g... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:
Well, give smart guy, but be aware more than 2, possibly 3 links in a single comment and it will be sent to the mod cue.
You ain't lying, brother, I've posted a totally awesome comment that's queued for approval.
As we have seen with the as... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

As we have seen with the assignation of JFK, with the incapacitation or death of the president the vice president becomes the president. JFK was shot at 12:30 PM and at that second was unable to perform the duties of the office and at 1:00 PM he was pronounced dead. LBJ became the president at 12:31 PM, but didn't take the oath of office until 2:38 PM. The oath of office is required before the president can execute any duties of the office, but the oath itself doesn't grant the office to the person. If it did, anyone could take it and become president.

Bush's term ended at 12:00 noon and Obama's term immediately began at that moment, but Obama could not execute any presidential power until he took the oath of office.

Biden was never the president. The source of this misinformation was Katie Couric who mused that Joseph Biden was President, at least for the few minutes between noon and 12:05. Picking up on that Kenneth Katkin, from Northern Kentucky University, decided to embellish the muse, but he admits it was just for fun. Here's a link.

This is the first time in h... (Below threshold)
Ted (approximately two years ago):

This is the first time in history that steel is melted by fire!

Hey Ted, did you know that ... (Below threshold)

Hey Ted, did you know that Obama was sworn in by ELVIS? Not John Roberts, but ELVIS in a rubber mask. Go ahead, prove me wrong.

And in some photos, you can see Sasquatch lurking in the background.

Okay. You guys are old enou... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Okay. You guys are old enough. I'm gonna tell you the story of how I met your mother.

Once upon a time, before I was "Dad," I had this whole other life.

It was way back in 2005. I was single,
I had a full head of hair, my career
as an architect was taking off, and I
lived in New York City with Barack,
my best friend from college. Life was
good, until one brisk October night,
when Uncle Barack screwed the whole
thing up.

"When I'm elected President, I'm not going to take the oath until 12:05," Barack said....

teddy BOY - "Marc, did ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

teddy BOY - "Marc, did Obama sign an oath before 12:05 PM, 1/20/09???"

What "no substance" (as you are inclined to call any and everything you dislike) on the second point made in the provided excerpt?

And give me some links as I have done. Believe it or not that IS part and parcel of debates held within the blogosphere and a way to support any points made.

P.S. and if you walk in here utilizing crapola from truthout, don't bother. But it would be very instructive.

My favorite consipra... (Below threshold)
jmc:


My favorite consipracy theory is the,

North American Union. a supranational organization, modeled on the European Union, that will soon fuse Canada, the United States, and Mexico into a single economic and political unit.

The NAU's central governing body will have the power to nullify the laws of its member states. Goods and people will flow among the three countries unimpeded, aided by a network of continent-girdling superhighways. The US and Canadian dollars, along with the peso, will be phased out and replaced by a common North American currency called the amero.

Marc Lorry I never watched ... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Marc Lorry I never watched Katie Couric on this.

In any event, LBJ became the President on JFK's death BECAUSE HE (LBJ) HAD ALREADY TAKEN THE VEEP OATH. There was absolutely no legal need for LBJ to later take the Pres. oath as he did on the airplane back to DC. That was merely a staged photo op event.

Oh noes! The <a href="http... (Below threshold)

Oh noes! The state of Hawaii Dept. of Health (DOH--ironic, no?) is in on the conspiracy, too!

HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama's birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i," Fukino said.

As for the COLB not being good enough, this came from a commenter named New_Jersey_Buckeye at Hot Air. (I'm sure that won't be good enough somehow.)

Federal rules of evidence allow in such evidence specifically under several rules (generally exceptions to the hearsay exception rule) FRE 803(c)(9) allows records of Vital Statistics to be entered as evidence. The rule states "a statement contained in any form such as records of birts, fetal deaths, deaths, or marriages, if the rport therof was made to a public office pursuant to requirements of laws." Further the questioned COLB is a public record, report and finding allowable under FRE 803(c)(8). Finally, even the birth announcement in the local paper would be admissable in a court of law under the Ancient Documents exception of FRE 803(c)(16) (Statements in a document in existence 30 years or more.) Therefore, contrary to Romeo13's assertion, the COLB and even the birth announcement are admissiable in Federal Court.

Barack Hussein Obama is legally, unquestionably, no-doubt-about-it the President of the United States of America, and nothing is going to change that fact (as much as I don't like that reality). You are hoping for not only the news of the century, you are hoping for the news event that would surpass all others in the written history of the world. I'd advise that you don't hold your breath waiting for that "news" to break.

Not that any of this matters, because you're way too deep into the rabbit hole already. Say hello to Alice and the Cheshire Cat for me.

OregonMuse, can you present... (Below threshold)
Ted:

OregonMuse, can you present in your own words any substantive argument against my specific points?

You know...I bet it's the w... (Below threshold)

You know...I bet it's the work of those dastardly Masons! The Masons want to rule the world, and they got Obama elected! Oh NOES!!!

One last attempt at reason ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

One last attempt at reason - Ted, it's your theory, the burden of proof is on you and you have not come close to even beginning to make a case.

Hence the well-deserved taunting.

Tom Blogical, the Hawaiian ... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Tom Blogical, the Hawaiian official merely states that there is and she has seen a valid birth certificate filed in Hawaii BUT SHE DOES NOT STATE, AND HAS NEVER STATED, THAT THE DOCUMENT STATES OR SHOWS THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII. The document on file in Hawaii can show birth elsewhere, such as Kenya.

In any event, the best evidence would be THAT DOCUMENT WHICH THE HAWAII OFFICIAL SAYS EXISTS. But so far, Obama is steadfast in refusing to allow anyone see it, and has had it placed under seal, spending money on three differerent law firms fighting its release in Court. Under the doctrine of res ipsa loquitur, that action by Obama speaks for itself; and why won't he just allow release of that document which the Hawaiian officials say exist and to which you yourself cite?

You know...I bet i... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
You know...I bet it's the work of those dastardly Masons! The Masons want to rule the world, and they got Obama elected! Oh NOES!!!

You make fun of it, Tom, but you can't disprove it, either. You don't even try. Is there a specific reason?

I'm convinced that the true... (Below threshold)

I'm convinced that the true goal of any conspiracy theorirst isn't to expose nefarious plots and the "hidden truths" behind extraordinary events, but to drive otherwise sane people completely batty.

I hope this becomes a regular feature at Wizbang, DJ. It's downright entertaining!

Drummond, forget my theory,... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Drummond, forget my theory, just address the facts and points I raise. This isn't a contest of burdens. (unless you are arbitrarily saying you have no burden and that statement of no burden on your part proves that you have refuted my facts and points, in which case, YOU are the one making an insane argument.)

Peter F, I agree, this IS e... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Peter F, I agree, this IS entertaining, and beyond that, very informative in proving my point about those who deny that Obama is an unconstitutional usurper.

Also, Tom, please specify w... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Also, Tom, please specify what "work" you are talking about, as I like the "entertainment", as well.

"You make fun of it, Tom... (Below threshold)

"You make fun of it, Tom, but you can't disprove it, either. You don't even try. Is there a specific reason?"

Well, you take it seriously, and you can't prove it. I certainly did try, did you not read my comment at #44? That's not trying? Your issue is, that if you're going to try to prove the illegitimacy of the document, the onus is on you to prove it, not on those trying to disprove it.

At any rate, the facts of the situation prove it to be much easier for me to believe Obama has a birth certificate at this point than to believe that he doesn't.

"The document on file in... (Below threshold)

"The document on file in Hawaii can show birth elsewhere, such as Kenya."

This is arguing semantics. The state of Hawaii verified the legitimacy of the document in question. That means, Ted, that they verified it was a legitimate birth certificate for the state of Hawaii to indicate Obama was a natural born U.S. citizen.

If you want to push this argument on semantics, the state of Hawaii did not state that the document proved Barack Obama was not a U.S. citizen.

Once again, the onus is back on you to prove the illegitimacy of the document in question. So far, you haven't.

"Work" = Conspiracy theory ... (Below threshold)

"Work" = Conspiracy theory to elect someone who is supposedly not a U.S. citizen.

Work with me here. My "comedy" requires a lot of assumptions on the audience's behalf. ;-)

Ted,In an... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Ted,

In any event, LBJ became the President on JFK's death BECAUSE HE (LBJ) HAD ALREADY TAKEN THE VEEP OATH.

LBJ became president the moment JFK became unable to perform the duties of the office because he was next in line under the laws of succession. That occurred 30 minuets before JFK was pronounced dead.

There was absolutely no legal need for LBJ to later take the Pres. oath as he did on the airplane back to DC. That was merely a staged photo op event.

You are factually wrong. No person can perform the duties nor exercise the power of the office of President until AFTER they take to oath of office. In the case of LBJ, he was president for over 2 hours before he took the oath and could perform any of the duties or exercise the power of the office of president.

What you're not getting is that there are two parts to enter into the office of president and both must be completed. First a person becomes president by election or succession under the law and then they must take the oath of office before they can perform the duties or exercise the power of the office of President.

Alright, I'm done with this... (Below threshold)

Alright, I'm done with this nonsense. My family is getting ready to go out to dinner. I'm sure I'm not going to change any minds anyhow, but it was worth the "old college try" anyhow.

Good evening everyone. Have a great weekend.

No, let's focus on what I b... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

No, let's focus on what I blockquoted. You said you "bet it's those dastardly Masons that want to rule the world." Why would you come out and say that? Defending a document wouldn't correlate with a secret society, that was never the issue. You came up with that all by yourself, that "they want to rule the world", and it has nothing to do with defending Obama's birth cert.

Peter F, I agree, this I... (Below threshold)

Peter F, I agree, this IS entertaining, and beyond that, very informative in proving my point about those who deny that Obama is an unconstitutional usurper.

Actually, Ted, they're not even 1/16th as entertaining as you are.

Dollars to doughnuts says you listen to a lot of George Noory....

Are you sure you don't want... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Are you sure you don't want to stick around, Tom? Or did you just reveal a little too much of what you're attempting to write off as crazy. Take away your mockery, and you just might be revealing a little too much about yourself. But you're too busy for such "nonsense". Now, that's entertainment.

Alright, I'm done with t... (Below threshold)

Alright, I'm done with this nonsense. My family is getting ready to go out to dinner. I'm sure I'm not going to change any minds anyhow, but it was worth the "old college try" anyhow.

See? My point is proved Ted drove an otherwise sane and reasonable man like Tom completely batty!

This is why I try to avoid playing in this sandbox....

"...and why won't he jus... (Below threshold)

"...and why won't he just allow release of that document which the Hawaiian officials say exist and to which you yourself cite?"

Damn, I forgot this one point. Once he relents and submits this doc, then what's to stop people from asking for any other private document about him? If it was simple for him to provide his bc, then it shouldn't be a problem for tax statements, college transcripts...and on and on.

Anyway, good evening everyone. Have a great weekend. Again.

Ted,Did you know t... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Ted,

Did you know that the VP's oath is the same as that of Senators? The Presidential oath is different and unique. If something happens to a sitting President the VP must take the Presidential oath before he can perform the duties or exercise the power of the office of President. The senator's oath Biden took didn't make him President before Obama took his oath. If Obama has been beamed up to the mothership, Biden still would have had to take the Presidential oath before he could perform the duties or exercise the power of the office of President.

Actually Obama cant be Pres... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Actually Obama cant be President because you see Bush was never rightfully elected President in 2000. Al Gore is the rightful President.
Obama cant take over from Bush because he was never elected in 2000. So therefore any election after that doesnt count. You will see that after the Supreme Court rules on Obama's birth certicate they will verify that Al Gore is President and he doesnt need to take the oath of office either.


OregonMuse, can yo... (Below threshold)
OregonMuse, can you present in your own words any substantive argument against my specific points?

Don't have to. As has been repeatedly pointed out, your points lack merit on their face. I don't have to prove they're crap. The burden of proof is on YOU to prove they're NOT crap. And so far, you haven't.

There's a reason why the silly nirth certifikate troofer claims have been laughed out of court, what, 5 or 6 times now.

Of course, you're too far down the rabbit hole to understand this.

"If it was simple for him t... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"If it was simple for him to provide his bc, then it shouldn't be a problem for tax statements, college transcripts...and on and on."

You're right, Tom, but it has been a problem from the very beginning. For millions of Americans, but of course they don't count because it's all just millions of conspiracy theorists. I'm entertained. I would love for this topic to keep going so people actually make an honest attempt to disprove what many already know.

One good thing though. Sin... (Below threshold)
retired military:

One good thing though. Since Bush wasnt actually elected in 2000 and since his election in 2004 is null and void he can now run for 2 more terms. GO Bush 2012.

No, let's focus on... (Below threshold)
No, let's focus on what I blockquoted. You said you "bet it's those dastardly Masons that want to rule the world." Why would you come out and say that? Defending a document wouldn't correlate with a secret society, that was never the issue. You came up with that all by yourself, that "they want to rule the world", and it has nothing to do with defending Obama's birth cert.

It was a joke, plain and simple. They've been the subject of many conspiracy theories, as I saw a show on it on History channel this week. Apparently, you don't understand my sense of humor. Not the first time.

Are you sure you don't want to stick around, Tom? Or did you just reveal a little too much of what you're attempting to write off as crazy. Take away your mockery, and you just might be revealing a little too much about yourself. But you're too busy for such "nonsense". Now, that's entertainment.

Oh it's definitely nonsense, and I'm no more convinced in this nutty conspiracy theory than I am about 9/11 being an inside job or the JFK conspiracy theories.

My wife is yelling. Not good. I have to go, though this has been sooooo much fun...and so is your attempt at trying to paint me as the crazy one for not buying into this B.S.!

Full Moon? NoConsp... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Full Moon? No

Conspiracy monger? Yes

Raving full tilt ID10T? Yes

Take your lunatic theories and peddle as hard as you can Ted, I hear tricycles are good energy saving devices.

Mac Lorie, the Veep oath ma... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Mac Lorie, the Veep oath may be different, but the Constitution does NOT require the Veep to say the Pres. oath when Veep becomes Pres under the terms of constitutional succession.

And what's really funny to me, is that the commenters on this thread are calling ME the wingnut when they don't think it's odd or unusuasl that Obama refuses to provide ANY RECORD WHATSOEVER RELATED TO ADMISSION AND ATTENDANCE AT OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY AND HARVARD LAW SCHOOL!!!

(Perhaps they would show, among other things, that BHO entered as a foreign student, Indonesian; nor has he allowed any release of his passport records, showing Indonesia as well.)

"Oh it's definitely nonsens... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Oh it's definitely nonsense, and I'm no more convinced in this nutty conspiracy theory than I am about 9/11 being an inside job or the JFK conspiracy theories."

Wow, you are so thorough on what you believe to be "nutty", and so not interested in what other people think of the media "calling it" for Obama. Yep, you gave yourself away there, Tom, and only a few will really "get" that, too.

And, of course, there is "s... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

And, of course, there is "so much smarter" jmc, who is oh-so-thorough on what is "not" happening to the United States. Everything you stated, jmc, is so dead-on accurate, to make sure that it is very clear to everyone on what you want them to believe, is nonsense.

And so Obama steasdfastly r... (Below threshold)
Ted:

And so Obama steasdfastly refuseses to provide ANY DOCUMENTATION WHATSOEVER RE HIS ADMISSION AND ATTENDANCE AT Occidental College, Columbia University or Harvard Law School (showing he entered as a foreign, Indonesian, student) and has blocked all access to his passport records (showing Indonesian citizenship as well, as when he travelled to Pakistan on the Indonesian passport at a time when no Americans were allowed there, because of Pakistan war with India.)

No one thinks that is odd? Absolutely NOTHING from college and law school -- and the media lets him get away with it, while at the same time sending zillions of reporters up to Wasilla Alaska and 24/7 reporting on Sarah Palin's wardrobe.

And the commenters call me, Ted, the paranoid wingnut?

teddy boy - "think it's... (Below threshold)
Marc:

teddy boy - "think it's odd or unusuasl that Obama refuses to provide ANY RECORD WHATSOEVER RELATED TO ADMISSION AND ATTENDANCE AT OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY AND HARVARD LAW SCHOOL!!!"

That proves one single point... that being you are new, very new here as near as I can remember.

Search my loony friend, you'll find many, many posts and comments within them discussing those very topics.

Little late teddy BOY, Chri... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Little late teddy BOY, Christmas is past, but here's something to hang over your fireplace.

Life is a bitch, then you get fact checked.

What's the over/under bet teddy BOY whines about providing no substance and only his dreaded linkage?

Ted,Mac L... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Ted,

Mac Lorie, the Veep oath may be different, but the Constitution does NOT require the Veep to say the Pres. oath when Veep becomes Pres under the terms of constitutional succession.

Wrong again! Art II., Sec. 1 Cl. 8 provides that before the President enters on the Execution of his Office, the President shall take the following oath (the Presidental oath).

If a sitting President cannot perform his duties, then under the laws of succession the VP, Speaker of the house, or others become the President. The President must then take the Presidental oath as required by Art II., Sec. 1 Cl. 8 before they can perform the duties or execute the authority of the Presidency.

And what's really funny to me, is that the commenters on this thread are calling ME the wingnut when they don't think it's odd or unusuasl that Obama refuses to provide ANY RECORD...

Well if you can't understand the two parts to becoming and then entering the office of President, then it's not surprising your other points are being dismissed.

DJ's right, you're... (Below threshold)
Linoge Author Profile Page:
DJ's right, you're wrong, you're an idiot, and you're a whackjob.

Seconded, thirded, and fourthed.

Some conspiracy theorists are entertaining, but this Ted character is just sad... the burden of proof obviously lies on him, yet all he does is incessantly repeat the same points, without even the semblance of attempting to prove them. Calling him a conspiracy theorist is an insult to all actual conspiracy theorists... what we have here is a bleeding-from-the-ears idiot.

Mac Lorry, you are wrong. ... (Below threshold)
Ted:

Mac Lorry, you are wrong. Under Article 2, Section 1, Clause 6, "the powers and duties [of the President] shall devolve on the Vice President" There is NO requirement for a new and separate oath for the VP then to function as President. The VP already took his oath to become VP, and part of the job is to become Pres under the conditions of Article 2, Section 1, Clause 6 -- no need for a further oath.

Linoge, your comments are more of the same silliness -- they lack seriousness.

Linoge, your comme... (Below threshold)
Linoge, your comments are more of the same silliness -- they lack seriousness.

Heh. Fringe conspiracy loon Ted is accusing someone else of not being serious. This is like Al Capone complaining about the Chicago crime problem.

Ted,Mac L... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Ted,

Mac Lorry, you are wrong. Under Article 2, Section 1, Clause 6, "the powers and duties [of the President] shall devolve on the Vice President"

Wrong again. You're confusing the laws of succession with the requirements under Art II., Sec. 1 Cl. 8. Every person who becomes president through election or through succession must take the unique and specific oath of office provided for under Art II., Sec. 1 Cl. 8 before they can perform any duty or execute any of the powers of the Presidency.

That's why Clause 6 comes before Clause 8. Under Clause 6 the VP becomes president, then under Clause 8 they enter on the Execution of their Office. There is no back door. Clause 8 applies to everyone who becomes president regardless of how they became president and taking the presidential oath is an absolute requirement without exception.

Linoge, your comme... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Linoge, your comments are more of the same silliness -- they lack seriousness.

Ted, Obama's birth cert doesn't matter any more, because the American people have been railroaded by (non)existent elites who are controlling the process, which includes a couple of commenters who may very well have unwittingly outed themselves. Now you know why the NWO is going to bite the dust, their shills are totally inept. I would defend you more, but Obama's phony COLB is another distraction. All you can do is warn people, but don't lose any sleep over it. Let them have their "entertainment".

Wow, what a great idea - A ... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

Wow, what a great idea - A rationality-free zone. Or put differently, a whackjob free-fire zone. And that goes for you, La, my favorite crazy lady. Did it ever occur to any of you that, if there were dark forces behind the scenes (and I'm not ruling that out) you would be the last to be able to identify them.
I agree there are black hats, I'm just humble enough to know that black hats don't where black hats. You cant' tell the players without a scorecard and they ain't handing them out.

Once again a typo, "they d... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

Once again a typo, "they don't *wear* black hats.

Back from Boston's...the fo... (Below threshold)

Back from Boston's...the food was delicious!

Wow, you are so thorough on what you believe to be "nutty", and so not interested in what other people think of the media "calling it" for Obama. Yep, you gave yourself away there, Tom, and only a few will really "get" that, too.

If you're referring to the media "calling it", which I would assume to mean "it" is the election, I know exactly what you're talking about and I would agree they were instrumental in driving the news cycles to make him look as good as possible; as electable as possible. If you somehow think that translates into a vast conspiracy connecting the media, the state of Hawaii, the Supreme Court, and God knows who else to hide that he's not really a U.S. born citizen...then I think that reveals a lot about you as well.

Tell you what. If these claims ever turn out to actually be true, I'll gladly eat crow, because it'll be the biggest news story in written history. Publicly, right here at Wizbang. Until that time, I'll gladly mock this "story" for what it is. A load of crap.

if there were dark... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
if there were dark forces behind the scenes (and I'm not ruling that out) you would be the last to be able to identify them.

Only if you believe there is no God. If you rule Him out, you also rule out the possibility that He loves and warns those that put their faith in Him. You also rule out the possibility that it is the dark forces deceiving their followers into the idea they don't exist.

Tell you what. If ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Tell you what. If these claims ever turn out to actually be true, I'll gladly eat crow, because it'll be the biggest news story in written history. Publicly, right here at Wizbang. Until that time, I'll gladly mock this "story" for what it is. A load of crap.

Tom, it's not news to God. Neither is it news to those who have faith in Him. I am really hoping that people don't hang around and wait for the US to turn into a police state just to watch you eat crow. That would be a big mistake. Otherwise, I appreciate the plastic olive branch.

"Otherwise, I appreciate... (Below threshold)

"Otherwise, I appreciate the plastic olive branch."

Well, let's make sure you are offered what you consider a real olive branch. I don't recall specifics, but I do recall a great many other topics that I've agreed with you on. And I certainly wish you well, as I do with all of the commenters here, even if they're a pain in the ass. (I know I'm a pain in the ass myself.) :-)

Anyway, have a great weekend. I've also been fond of urging everyone to get out of debt lately...so do that to. Including your house, if you have a mortgage, that is.

Adios.

LaMedusa:... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

LaMedusa:

Tom, it's not news to God. Neither is it news to those who have faith in Him. I am really hoping that people don't hang around and wait for the US to turn into a police state just to watch you eat crow.

What, exactly, are you hoping that people do?

Ted, Obama's birth... (Below threshold)
ryan a:
Ted, Obama's birth cert doesn't matter any more, because the American people have been railroaded by (non)existent elites who are controlling the process, which includes a couple of commenters who may very well have unwittingly outed themselves. Now you know why the NWO is going to bite the dust, their shills are totally inept. I would defend you more, but Obama's phony COLB is another distraction. All you can do is warn people, but don't lose any sleep over it. Let them have their "entertainment".

Ok. Timeout. LaMedusa are you being serious here?

ryan a~I am hoping... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

ryan a~

I am hoping they use the common sense God gave them and look for a way to escape, or fight back. Many people in the U.S. are already seeing what is happening with the nafta superhighway http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/nasco.jpg and the merging of canada, U.S., and Mexico. Whether they choose to stay and fight or leave the U.S. is up to them. They have to really ask themselves why so many people would know about this, including Lou Dobbs reporting on it, if it weren't true? The only reason it's not being reported in the mainstream is so people will just go about their lives without realizing what's being done to them.

"Ok. Timeout. LaMedusa are ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Ok. Timeout. LaMedusa are you being serious here?"

ryan a~

This information has been known by many for a couple of years now. It really doesn't surprise me that so many call it B.S. This is where you are going to have to go the extra mile and find out for yourself. No one can force you to believe it. Europeans were never in favor of becoming the European Union, the elites just did it. You shouldn't be that surprised that the same thing is happening here.

LaMedusa,Ok, you a... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

LaMedusa,

Ok, you are being a but vague here.

"Many people in the U.S. are already seeing what is happening with the nafta superhighway...and the merging of canada, U.S., and Mexico. "

What specifically are you talking about? What, in your opinion, has been the effect of NAFTA?

"They have to really ask themselves why so many people would know about this, including Lou Dobbs reporting on it, if it weren't true?"

Again, what exactly are you talking about? When you say "why so many people know about this" what are you referring to???

should read "you are being ... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

should read "you are being a BIT vague"...

sorry.

ryan a:I think LaM... (Below threshold)

ryan a:

I think LaMedusa is referring to this. Make of it what you will.

LaMedusa,"This inf... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

LaMedusa,

"This information has been known by many for a couple of years now. It really doesn't surprise me that so many call it B.S. This is where you are going to have to go the extra mile and find out for yourself."

I don't see the need to be cryptic here. Why not just come out and explain what you are talking about? Why the vague references?

"What specifically are you ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"What specifically are you talking about? What, in your opinion, has been the effect of NAFTA?"

Ok, with all due respect to Tom, ignore the wiki link that says "Conspiracy theory". Leave the word conspiracy out of it, and just see it as an event. The projected date so far for the North American Union, which is the merging of US, Canada, and Mexico, is 2010.

Read this comment by jmc, who says it is not happening:

North American Union. a supranational organization, modeled on the European Union, that will soon fuse Canada, the United States, and Mexico into a single economic and political unit.

The NAU's central governing body will have the power to nullify the laws of its member states. Goods and people will flow among the three countries unimpeded, aided by a network of continent-girdling superhighways. The US and Canadian dollars, along with the peso, will be phased out and replaced by a common North American currency called the amero.

That is why it is important for you to google it, ask around, and investigate as much as possible so you can decide what you are going to do.

ryan a:Couple my l... (Below threshold)

ryan a:

Couple my last link with this, and I think you'll understand exactly what LaMedusa is referring to.

ryan a~One thing a... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

ryan a~

One thing at a time. First look into the NAU, the Nafta Superhighway, and the Amero. Then go from there. The more you ask about those specific things, the more answers you will get.

"Ok, with all due respec... (Below threshold)

"Ok, with all due respect to Tom, ignore the wiki link that says "Conspiracy theory"."

You're not bothering me at all. I didn't write the Wikipedia entry. I just linked to it. Make of it what you will.

Hey Tom,"Couple my... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Hey Tom,

"Couple my last link with this, and I think you'll understand exactly what LaMedusa is referring to."

Hmmmm. Sorry for jumping in the middle of your debate, btw.

I'm trying to decide if LaM... (Below threshold)

I'm trying to decide if LaMedusa has completely gone off the tracks, or has been this nuts all the time and I never noticed...

J.

"One thing at a time. First... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

"One thing at a time. First look into the NAU, the Nafta Superhighway, and the Amero. Then go from there. The more you ask about those specific things, the more answers you will get."

Still being cryptic. What's the use of that? Why not just spell out what you think is happening???

Jay Tea,Hmmmmmm.</... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Jay Tea,

Hmmmmmm.

"Hmmmm. Sorry for jumpin... (Below threshold)

"Hmmmm. Sorry for jumping in the middle of your debate, btw."

No apology necessary. We were finished debating. I've been utterly fascinated with this thread, so I keep hanging around. At least I got out with the family for a few hours and had great fettuccine alfredo with garlic shrimp dish.

"I'm trying to decide if La... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"I'm trying to decide if LaMedusa has completely gone off the tracks, or has been this nuts all the time and I never noticed..."

Jay, do you really think that the government cares about any of us any more? I don't care what you decide about me, because you can only make your own decisions, and only you can close your eyes to the corruption around you.

Also, Jay, if you really th... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Also, Jay, if you really think I have gone off the tracks, as you say, tell me why you think I have. I want to read that. I am serious, because you think I am off the tracks, so you must think I am lying about the news reports and "just being vague" as ryan states.

Jay Tea,Today isn'... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Jay Tea,

Today isn't april fools or anything is it???

Tom,

Pasta is always a good break from a conspiracy-laden online thread. Nice call. I am just trying to, uh, figure out what is happening here.

LaMedusa,You ARE b... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

LaMedusa,

You ARE being vague, and I don't see the reason for it. I don't understand why you don't just come out and say what you think is happening...unless, of course, you are pulling a fast one here.

But if you have something to say, or a strong opinion about what you think is happening, why not say it outright? Making vague references to certain possibly related events, well, does not look very credible.

"You ARE being vague, and I... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"You ARE being vague, and I don't see the reason for it."

Suit yourself, ryan. The message is quite clear, but your perception is "vague" because are still trying to find out "what just happened" here. Happy hunting.

"Suit yourself, ryan. The m... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

"Suit yourself, ryan. The message is quite clear, but your perception is "vague" because are still trying to find out "what just happened" here. Happy hunting."

Ok, LaMedusa. You make a few references to Lou Dobbs, NAFTA, the amero, and the New World Order, and you think that you have been up front and clear?

You are telling me to go look on "google" to find out for myself? I can go prove just about anything on good old google, since the internet is full of ALL KINDS of information and disinformation. Just because a website exists does not mean that there is any truth to it.

Once again, if you have some big theory to share, why are you avoiding coming on here and spelling out your POV???

OK, ryan. We are no longer... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

OK, ryan. We are no longer the US, we are the NAU, in the next few years, maybe sooner, our currency will be replaced by the amero. Our sovereignty will be dissolved with our freedom. We will be disarmed by the banning of guns and the supernafta highway will, along with maybe two other roads, will be the only means of travel. You will have to eventually show papers at checkpoints within the NAU and won't be able to travel without them. POV? What would your POV be if you had to live under such circumstances, theoretically, even if you don't believe it now? The goal is also to have every person in the world implanted with a micro rfid chip, phasing out a global currency that is already been discussed by the cfr. That's where you decide if you believe it or not. Still vague? Suit yourself, and belief what you want as to what is "happening" here.

To add, finally, you have t... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

To add, finally, you have to decide if you believe what Aaron Russo is saying here about his friendship with Nick Rockefeller:

Aaron Russon Interview

And you have to decide if George Green is lying here.

What you decide will ultimately determine your future, whether you believe it or not.

I still have to mention one... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

I still have to mention one more thing. The overpopulation problem that Mr.Green mentions is a total farce concocted by the elites. There is plenty of room on this badly managed planet, and the myth that this earth is overly populated was generated by the globalists for control over the monetary system.

I must thank DJ for this po... (Below threshold)
max:

I must thank DJ for this post, because it gave LaMedusa a chance to show everyone what some of us have known for a while. Namely that LaM is a raving lunatic with, at best, a tenuous grasp of reality. An NAU troofer who deserves only to be ignored.

Please, LaM, tell us who killed JFK. I love that story.

"Please, LaM, tell us who k... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Please, LaM, tell us who killed JFK. I love that story."

Pretty lame, max. The only reason you would love that story, that I can think of, is you have some "relative" interest behind it. If it's laughed at like just another one of those pesky conspiracy theories, you can ignore all the evidence to the contrary, like oh-so-smart jmc, who has it all figured out. As I said before, one of the main reasons this maniacal plan will fail is because of dolts like you, max. Creepy, dishonest shills like yourself don't stand a chance against the American people and the rest of the world whom are aware. Do your smug tap dance as long as you can, and keep lying to people by saying "There is no God". You keep forgetting who gets his ass kicked in Revelation, and who's army kicks the crap out of him and those who follow him. Your do you tell people that book is a myth, too? Gee, what a surprise.

that should be *Or do you..... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

that should be *Or do you...

And whether you realize it or not, this thread has given people a chance to see what a dead from the neck up dittohead you really are. Kennedy assassination? The CIA killed him because he was going to take down the Federal Reserve? I wonder if you might have known any one or was related to any one involved, because you keep going back to that like a broken record.

C'mon, LaM, don't cry. Tell... (Below threshold)
max:

C'mon, LaM, don't cry. Tell us who did it. Sounds to me like you're the one who's got it all figured out, so please, enlighten us.

I bow before the wisdom of the great LaMedusa.

"The CIA killed him because... (Below threshold)
max:

"The CIA killed him because he was going to take down the Federal Reserve?"

Is that a question or a statement?

"I wonder if you might have known any one or was related to any one involved, because you keep going back to that like a broken record."

I keep going back to that because it exposes you as the insane, paranoid conspiracy nut you are. For what it's worth, you fit right in here at wizbang where the truth takes a back seat to truthiness. Keep it up, you freak.

Or maybe J. Edgar was my great uncle. Oh no, now I've said too much.

C'mon, LaM, don't ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
C'mon, LaM, don't cry. Tell us who did it. Sounds to me like you're the one who's got it all figured out, so please, enlighten us.

I bow before the wisdom of the great LaMedusa.

Again, you prove my description of you, creepy, dishonest and a complete dolt who doesn't even know how to argue. Not everyone here is buying your crap, and if you aren't careful, people you don't even know might be really curious about how involved you might have been. They might even be curious about that broken record about the "tears". Like how many other women you used that on, and why did you say it? What had just happened to them, casanova? It won't be me, but someone is going to out you while you go about feigning your smug confidence.

Or maybe J. Edgar ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Or maybe J. Edgar was my great uncle. Oh no, now I've said too much.

I doubt this because Hoover was actually trying to investigate these thugs. But don't think people are going to look at that claim any more and not be curious. In their face as just a joke? I'll bet you did say too much right there, not the complete truth, but enough to get them wondering about your version of truthiness.

Wow, you're even more insan... (Below threshold)
max:

Wow, you're even more insane than I thought. This is fun.

First off, there is no arguing with you, only mockery.

"and if you aren't careful, people you don't even know might be really curious about how involved you might have been."

Are you threatening me?

"They might even be curious about that broken record about the "tears."

What the hell are you talking about?

"I doubt this because Hoover was actually trying to investigate these thugs."

See, now this is the kind of crazy shit I need from you, LaM. How else am I gonna find out what the black helicopter set is thinking?

"But don't think people are going to look at that claim any more and not be curious."

Oh, I'm sure you'll remember it. You seem to be more than a little obsessed with me.

But did you ever stop to think, LaM, that someone might be watching you? Hmmm?

Think about it.


"Wow, you're even more insa... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Wow, you're even more insane than I thought."

Keep using that calling card, max. It's all you have left.

"But did you ever stop to think, LaM, that someone might be watching you? Hmmm?"

Everyone in the world is going to be watched and rfid chipped, max. At least the ones the globalists can get their hands on. But why would they bother if I really am insane, such as you suggest?

I do know that God is looking after me, max, and my number won't be up until He says so. Good luck with that gangsta attitude, though, use while you still have time.

"Are you threatening me?"</... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Are you threatening me?"

Just to clarify, max. No I am not. But you are the one who started this discussion of "mockery", and I never talk to you unless I have to. If you are mocking me, you are also mocking thousands of other people who are trying to warn those that are unaware. So you are going to have to call former IRS employee, former FBI and CIA employees, members of the military, such as the navy seals, members of congress who are more than upset about this subversive behavior, employees of NASA, as well as Dr.s and Health specialists who know the real purpose of Codex Alimentarius, you will be calling them insane, as well. Good luck with that, too.

Holy shit, this thread is a... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Holy shit, this thread is awesome!

LaMedusa was always nuts but it was lost in the cacophony of anti-Obama tirades leading up to the election. Now that things are a bit more quiet and people are coming to accept reality, her detachment therefrom has become transparent even to the wingiest of nuts. ELLL-EMMMM-EH-OHHHH

Oh, thanks for the shout-out, Master Shake. Anyone who uses that name should be at least half as funny as the character from Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and you ain't. But you're about as much of a dick so at least that's something.
depp=true

"LaMedusa was always nuts b... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"LaMedusa was always nuts but it was lost in the cacophony of anti-Obama tirades leading up to the election."

I see you are as lazy as max when it comes to links and opinions other than mine, hyper. Max must be passing out his card. You have no proof that I am wrong, so you are reduced to the old "insanity" claim. History does eerily repeat itself.

What, you think I should ha... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

What, you think I should have wasted my time documenting your insanity for future reference? Sorry, no. I still get to call you nuts and I don't have to substantiate it as you've saved me the trouble in this thread.

Meh. :) As I said to max,... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Meh. :) As I said to max, "Good luck with that." Funny how you guys don't have a legitimate debate, but you have just decided that all resources are just insane. I am perfectly willing for you to disprove everything, but you have saved yourself the trouble by feigning superiority. Oh, yeah. I can't wait for people to see how the Feds really help the American people with their fiat currency and their false security under government dominion, "Let us take care of you and everything will be fine". Your dishonesty is telling, hyper.

LaMedusa,Ok, thank... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

LaMedusa,

Ok, thanks for spelling out what you are talking about. Like I said, I wanted to know what you are talking about before responding. I was also trying to figure out whether or not you were being facetious or serious. Considering the theme of this particular thread I think you'll understand.

So, I will assume that you are being up front and respond accordingly...

"OK, ryan. We are no longer the US, we are the NAU, in the next few years, maybe sooner, our currency will be replaced by the amero."

As far as I can tell, we are still the nation-state called the United States of America. If we existed in something called the NAU, why were Mexican and American authorities concerned with checking my passport as I crossed the political border this past year? As far as I can tell from empirical reality, the the border between the US and Mexico is still very real...and since we are busy building a wall there, I don't see any evidence of some kind of unification of North America.

What makes you think that, as you say, the NAU is something that already exists? Seriously, out there in the world, what are you seeing that tells you this has happened?

And about the amero. I have heard about that. But that does not mean that it's going to happen. In fact, as far as I know, them US is hardly interested because there is no real benefit in such a merger. What makes you think that this is surely going to happen??? From what I have heard, certain people brought up the idea, but then it pretty much floundered.

Also, what is so terrifying about a theoretical unification of currency (except for the fact that the peso will only drag the dollar down right now)?

"Our sovereignty will be dissolved with our freedom. We will be disarmed by the banning of guns and the supernafta highway will, along with maybe two other roads, will be the only means of travel."

First part: what are you talking about when you say that our sovereignty will be dissolved with our freedom"? Do you have anything tangible, or is this a statement of opinion? Without any empirical evidence, this comes across sounding pretty baseless.

When will we be disarmed by the banning of guns? What are you talking about? Do you have anything that talks about this in a substantive way? And remember, conjectures on YouTube videos are hardly very convincing for most people. You can't keep calling people stupid on here because they don't buy into rants on YouTube, which are plentiful. Pretty much anything can be "proved" on YouTube.

And what are you talking about with the supernafta highway??? Are you suggesting that only the roads that lead from Mexico to Canada will be used? So all other freeways will be shut down? How is that possible? And why would a road system that ONLY runs from Mexico to Canada be useful??? It makes no sense to me.

Are you saying that there will be no usable roads in Los Angeles and New York? When are those going to be shut down? What is going to happen with all of the infrastructure that we have in place?

"You will have to eventually show papers at checkpoints within the NAU and won't be able to travel without them."

If the NAU already exists, then why aren't there checkpoints now? Where are these checkpoints going to be? And what is the purpose?

I have been traveling for the past two years, in and out of Mexico, and I see no evidence of a change in the infrastructure, system of immigration, or customs. It all looks pretty separated to me.

"POV? What would your POV be if you had to live under such circumstances, theoretically, even if you don't believe it now?"

First of all, I don't think that the economic and political unification of Canada, the US, and Mexico is even remotely possible. There is absolutely zero benefit for the US in merging its monetary system with Mexico, let alone Canada.

Second, some supernafta highway...well...I don't see why that is presented as something that is so terrifying. Are you distrustful of people from Mexico or what? Seriously, I am not quite sure why you find certain aspects of this so alarming. A road that leads from Mexico to Canada? Sorry, but that's IT?

I am sure that trade between Mexico and the US and Canada will continue. Goods and services have been traded across national borders for a long, long time. I don't see the problem in a basic sense.

"The goal is also to have every person in the world implanted with a micro rfid chip, phasing out a global currency that is already been discussed by the cfr."

Whose goal? Again, do you have something more than rumors on YouTube and the internet? Yes, I have heard about the whole rfid chip thing, but you are accepting a large logical leap in connecting it to this large international conspiracy.

"That's where you decide if you believe it or not. Still vague? Suit yourself, and belief what you want as to what is "happening" here."

Look, I don't base my judgments on just hearing alarming rumors on YouTube or certain websites. There is a mass of information out there, and it has to be sifted through pretty carefully. There is as much nonsense out there as anything else.

And yes, this is all still pretty vague. A lot of this connects all kinds of different ideas, merging them into a grand schematic. Some folks connect what you are talking about with 9/11, others with millenarian end of the world destruction. Regardless, I tend to become a little wary when multiple lines of conspiracy start getting wound up together. Also, when all of the evidence is through rumor, hearsay, and second hand references, well, the case doesn't seem all that solid.

I am not on here to make fun of you, although I have to admit that at first I really thought you were joking (and maybe you still are). It's not really easy to tell, considering. That said, it seems like you are very serious about this, and that you believe this is happening. I admit that I am very skeptical of the information you have presented. I am sure you can respect that.

ryan, thanks for the reply.... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

ryan, thanks for the reply. First of all, it's the council of foreign relations that is running the show, not the government. Back in Oct, 2008 members of congress were threatened with Martial Law in "private conversations" if they didn't vote in favor of the bailout. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

That's what they do, is use fear and intimidation to get what they want. You will very rarely hear about this in the mainstream. Just because the highway isn't completed yet, doesn't mean there aren't people in the state of Texas and others who don't know about it.

People wonder why the border security is not sufficient. It never will be, because when those roads are in place, the borders will be completely opened to reveal what is being kept from the American people. At first, like any other unwanted change, it will be presented as a great idea that will allow for better trade between countries. As highways begin to merge and close, you will first see toll roads like you do all the time. The most tolls roads I came in contact with were in Florida, which to the citizens of that state, seem normal.

The next step, which is the rfid card, will also seem pretty normal, like an atm instead of dropping in tokens and cash. People will say, "wow, this is really convenient!" But what they won't realize, is in this "convenient" rfid card, is a complete database on that person that drives through. After awhile, everyone will be required to show their ID, after all, it's really meant to track your comings and goings.

This card will become your ID at different checkpoints (toll booths), and you won't be able to pass without it. Another "great idea" coughed up by these clowns will be to implant an rfid microchip. It's "convenience" will leave you worry free from losing your card wherever you go and when you approach a checkpoint. You will eventually be subjected to the govt's "bright idea" that you can also use the same microchip to buy and sell goods and services. Any change they impose is presented as "the next big thing". In reality, they are tracking your every move.

Included in this link, is the following paragraph:
"March 2005: Agreement to build the Texas NAFTA Superhighway -- "A 'Comprehensive Development Agreement' [is] signed by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) to build the 'TTC-35 High Priority Corridor' parallel to Interstate 35. The contracting party involved a limited partnership formed between Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A., a publically listed company headquartered in Spain, owned by the Madrid-based Groupo Ferrovial, and a San Antonio-based construction company, Zachry Construction Corp." Texas Segment of NAFTA Super Highway Nears Construction, Jerome R. Corsi, June 2006, www.Humaneventsonline.com" Since then, further plans have been formed to expand it. This is what it will look like when completed:

http://www.greatdreams.com/political/CISCOR_map.jpg

Here is an illustration of the NAU, target date 2010. http://earthhopenetwork.net/nafta_super_highway.jpg

Americans like their country. Do you think they would really vote in favor of it if they had a say so?

Sorry, here is the link I f... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Sorry, here is the link I forgot for the above paragraph.

http://anau.wikidot.com/nau-timeline

"For what it's worth, yo... (Below threshold)

"For what it's worth, you fit right in here at wizbang where the truth takes a back seat to truthiness."

LOL! max, I'm not picking a fight or making fun of you (alright, maybe just a little friendly ribbing), but I found this statement to be funny on this thread, which is entitled, "Insane Paranoid Conspiracy Thread." You've got to admit, if this were a liberal blog and a conservative said that, it would be funny, too. ;-)

L8r.

La,And somewhere o... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

La,

And somewhere on that rfid will there be the "Numnber of the Beast?"

La, step away fronm the Tim LaHaye book. Your sanity is at stake.

And you know what, La, I don't buy anybody's BS. If you are even close to being right, I will bootskoot my ass outta here.

The Beast, the Man, or anyone else who wants to control me, be dammed.

"Number" The fever pitch o... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

"Number" The fever pitch of this thread cries out for a typo correction.

And somewhere on t... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
And somewhere on that rfid will there be the "Numnber of the Beast?"

You threw that one in all by yourself, Dave, I never said it. You can play fill in the blanks 'til the chemical-injected cows come home, but you can't stop people from coming to their own conclusions. Eventually, all those distractions will be pointless, anyway, because you'll be in the same boat as everyone else.

Now, as far as max is concerned, he may or may not have been serious about being related to J. Edgar Hoover, but I don't know what the big deal is. Sure, he had a questionable past, including his apparent racism and possible African-American lineage, of which there is no conclusive proof, but I really think he was aware of much of the corruption of the F.B.I. After all, he is quoted as saying: "The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." He was without a doubt very aware of something. Seems like people might be more than slightly curious as to what he was talking about.

If you knew me in person, T... (Below threshold)
max:

If you knew me in person, Tom, you would know that, as serious as I am about politics, I'm even more serious about comedy. If it's funny, it's funny, regardless of politics.

You're right, that is funny.

max:Looks like we ... (Below threshold)

max:

Looks like we have a lot more in common than we thought. I take comedy very seriously as well. :-)

Just one more comment about... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Just one more comment about that "NAFTA highway".

Seems it hit a, hmm, bump?


Storyline, just in case the linky fails

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6196406.html

DJ, if you believe in God, ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

DJ, if you believe in God, don't ignore the book of Revelation. This country is in for a world of hurt. Delays don't mean a thing. One more thing I wanted to add, in keeping with the idea of depopulation: Codex Alimentarius will go global December 31st, 2009. The real goal of this law is to murder 3 billion people with starvation over the next few years.

This is already happening in some 3rd world countries. The globalists are behind those phony charity ads that ask for money for starving children in Africa. Take a better look. In some ads, you will see a rather well-fed woman sitting next to an emaciated child. Where did she get her food, and why didn't the child get any? That liquid they are being fed is not a nutrient, it's garbage mixed with poison. Of course, they don't understand english very well, so they just go along with it and are lied to. The Red Cross, the Peace Corps, and most of those programs are set up as fronts.

The Order of the Red Cross is one of the true origins of these crooks. Don't ignore what George Green said, either, about The Counsel of Foreign Relations wiping out U.S. citizens with biochemicals and the neutron bomb, or the underground cities that are built solely for the elite. Remember The Weather Underground? This was a coverup project. There is an underground city in Virginia called mount weather.

One of the biggest lies ever told mankind is that the question: "If God loves us so much, why would he create diseases?" He didn't, diseases are man made and God created cures for everything out of the earth's natural resources. Why do you really think alcohol is legal and marijuana is not? The distraction is the smoking drug that gets you high. Well, alcohol does the same thing. The difference is, if you smoke pot, you are wasting the natural medicine that exists in the hemp oil. Hemp oil is proven to cure cancer if properly processed. Drug companies can't make money if we don't need their drugs with more side-effects than benefits.

Rick Simpson in Canada was trying to get this medicine legalized, but it was the "crown" that stopped him. I hope he doesn't stop trying, because he just gives it away freely, and even put the recipe online for people with all the cautionary guidelines. Many people have been cured with no side effects, whatsoever, and it doesn't make you high. It cures you.

Another big lie is the outcome of the New World Order. Revelation tells you what happens, they lose in the worst way, not just because they renounced Jesus Christ, but because they deceived so many. Now do you see who the temporary ruler of this world is? He knows he's lost, but the elites are deceived into believing they have won, and this ruler will bring down as many as he can with deception. Sadly, these people are truly deceived, and being led like lambs to the slaughter, and millions of people will die at the hands of these monsters.

The conspiracy theories are all just half-truths and distractions. There has only been one all along, and has been going on for centuries. That's why only God can judge, because some are confused and want out, some are formerly involved and are warning others as much as they can such as George Green, and the ones carrying out this plan are in the shadows. They know exactly what they are doing and will pay dearly for it.

If you are wondering, yes, the anti-christ is alive and well. The bloodline goes back to the beginning of time, and they are using a different surname than what they started out with. The illuminati are deceived into a different version of World War Three. When you get a chance, go to youtube and watch the 1991 speech of George Bush sr when he speaks of the NWO. He speaks almost like he is under the influence of something, and what he is saying is where the real deception is. Think, DJ. Jobs losses due to outsourcing, bailouts with fiat currency? You don't see some sort of clearing house happening here? Above all, look into the medicine and ask God what you should do to help you and your family.

God Bless and keep you.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooo... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Ooooooooooooooooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy...

Fortunately, in spite of yo... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Fortunately, in spite of your reaction, DJ, many will be healed with this information. On the other hand, it's the ones who don't believe in God and deceive others by saying they do, that will pay the biggest price.

What I mean, Lamedusa, is t... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

What I mean, Lamedusa, is that I have studied the Apocalypse of John, commonly referred to as the book of Revelation. I have to say bluntly that you take it far out of context to apply political messages or attach secular events to its warnings.

Discussion of that book would be worthwhile, but trying to tie your fave theories to it is close to idolatry, boyo. Don't forget Jesus' strong warning against adding anything to what is written there.

Revelations:[18] For... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Revelations:
[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Don't forget Jesus... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Don't forget Jesus' strong warning against adding anything to what is written there.

This is the world we live in, DJ. Since when did Jesus never confront politicians? You might want to clarify what I have added, so we are on the same page.

Rev: 9 "'I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."

These people exist today, and are controlling the world. You need to specify when you say I am adding to the Bible, because you have not. In America, we are blinded to a lot of events because our forefather's original intent was to free us from monetary bondage. What am I adding, DJ?

"[19] And if any man shall ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

I ask you both, what am I taking away?

Also, DJ, for the record, I... (Below threshold)
Lamedusa:

Also, DJ, for the record, I am a girl-o.

I have to say blun... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
I have to say bluntly that you take it far out of context to apply political messages or attach secular events to its warnings.

This bugs me, too, DJ. The book of Revelation isn't just a bunch of neat images like a fresco in a cathedral. This book was written by John to reveal the last days on earth, given by God. Even Jesus said he is not the God of this world, otherwise he would have received help and been freed from his captures. Revelation describes perfectly the condition of this secular world we live in, and that the living God has every intention of putting things right. That part where Christ returns with the clouds, that is going to happen, but not before all of the plagues and tribulation, which is also going to happen. To ignore this and just say I am using secular reasoning is pure fallacy. There is no mystery in Revelation if you really want to know what this book is saying.

Correction: The reference ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Correction: The reference I used is Rev 2:9




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