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I Won

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Yesterday, The New York Post reported:

In an exchange with Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) about the [$825 billion stimulus] proposal, the president shot back: "I won," according to aides briefed on the meeting.

"I will trump you on that."

Not that Obama was gloating. He was just explaining that he aims to get his way on [the] stimulus package and all other legislation, sources said, noting his unrivaled one-party control of both congressional chambers.

Oh, to have seen the contorted faces of outraged liberals, had George W. Bush ever answered their petty politics with such a retort. It never happened though, and it is highly unlikely that Mr. Bush will justify his Presidency to condescending journalists in the future with such an answer.

Obama also encouraged Republicans to listen to him and not Rush Limbaugh, implying that they should give up their role as loyal opposition because, I don't know, he's The One or something.

Sorry, Mr. President. Things haven't worked that way in Washington for eight years. Democrats, of superior values and virtues we are told, fought tooth and nail to destroy every one of President Bush's policy proposals that did not come pre-approved by the DNC. Republicans have every right to embody the values and virtues of Democrats and fight tooth and nail to stop Barack Obama's dangerously large and ill-conceived debt-funded government give-away.

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism, remember?


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Liberals have felt empty wi... (Below threshold)

Liberals have felt empty without their power they so crave and now they have it. Their reason for being is to control people.

Losers in Irrelevantville,<... (Below threshold)
Larry Dickman:

Losers in Irrelevantville,

I guess H. intends to spend his political capital. I wonder if he will get as much out of it as W. did.

In my morning roundup of wingnuttery, I was just at NRCC Home > Issues > Economy, and they had this to say:

"Thanks to Republican economic policies, the U.S. economy is robust and job creation is story."

WTF?

Granted, "NRCC > Issues > Economy" is an oxymoron (emphasis on moron), but you might want to yank on the Overseer's chain and give NRCC a clue.

Another commandment for the... (Below threshold)
MPR:

Another commandment for the La La Land citizens.
Disagree not with Obamalala and listen not to the naysayers of Obamalala.

Ah, Dickman - the NRCC fron... (Below threshold)
Jess:

Ah, Dickman - the NRCC front page is @ fundraising (as is the DNCs). The "issues" page is under construction.
Nice try at deflection, but do come back again.

J

Obama is fulfilling ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:


Obama is fulfilling his campaign promise of "change" and the Republicans are sticking to their campaign promise of being "bitter."

I wonder if he will get ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

I wonder if he will get as much out of it as W. did.

It's doubtful, Larry. I don't think he's got any real idea about what it should be spent on - aside from making himself look good. That's been the way he's operated for the last twenty+ years - position yourself for the next level up, and let the chips fall where they may.

It's rather bothersome he pulls out the "I'm President, you'll do it my way" club within less than a week on what's supposed to be at least anominally bipartisan issue - but hey, if he screws it up you'll have the consolation of having voted for 'hope and change', won't you?

The Republicans are ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:


The Republicans are still . . . STILL . . . squabbling over Sarah Palin's shopping spree:

http://www.newmajority.com/ShowScroll.aspx?ID=9d631c9f-ac4c-4096-81da-b9cf05fe0685

The Republicans with any ch... (Below threshold)
Kat:

The Republicans with any character need to let the Left own this boondoogle of spending. This could be the issue that sinks Obambi in his first days of dictatorship. Get the message out that he is destroying the future generation and their abilitiy to have lower taxes. "It's for the Children!" /faux Dem drama

Yes, the issues page (not t... (Below threshold)
Larry Dickman:

Yes, the issues page (not that they are concerned with issues) is under construction because of this:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3255/3222183145_a896008a2d.jpg

I had to take a screenshot because it was so outrageous.

Economy of words. I believe... (Below threshold)

Economy of words. I believe what Obama meant to convey with "I won" was:

"After hundreds of speeches and three debates and interviews and the whole process, where you keep basically saying the same thing over and over again, that when you win, there is a feeling that the people have spoken and embraced your point of view, and that's what I intend to tell the Congress, that I made it clear what I intend to do as the President, now let's work to -- and the people made it clear what they wanted, now let's work together."

i.e. same old, same old -- the winner says to the losers, "Let's do together, in a bipartisan fashion, exactly what I want to do. That's what the people wanted, and that's why they voted for me." Also, as always, the losers bristle at, and are offended by, that suggestion. In some cases, though, the current losers forget what their party said when it was on top.

"Obama also encouraged Repu... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

"Obama also encouraged Republicans to listen to him and not Rush Limbaugh, implying that they should give up their role as loyal opposition because, I don't know, he's The One or something."

No, that's not what that implies. He is not the One. That's your fantasy, not mine, as someone who voted for him. He has a job to do.
Be the loyal opposition. Dissent is patriotic.

Rush Limbaugh has made his money spouting mindless demagoguery to which his listeners respond "ditto." He is an entertainer. He couldn't solve a real problem if his life depended on it. Upshot - he provides no meaningful contribution to the national dialogue. If conservatives turn to people like Rush and Ann Coulter for talking points, they will become irrelevant irritants, not participants in the process. I have more faith in conservatives than that.

Rush Limbaugh has made h... (Below threshold)

Rush Limbaugh has made his money spouting mindless demagoguery to which his listeners respond "ditto."

For the billionth time, no, actually "ditto" means "I enjoy the show, Rush" when they first introduce themselves on the air. This includes Democrats and Liberals who are welcomed to call in to the show, who then do call in, say "ditto" and then move on to respectfully disagree.

This is always gotten wrong by somebody who doesn't listen to the show, or gets this idea from somebody else who doesn't listen to the show. Get your demagoguery right.

Obamalala sees dissent as a... (Below threshold)
MPR:

Obamalala sees dissent as an irrelevant irritant. Has no idea how to get the economy going. Otherwise he would be doing it now. All he has ever done is give away other peoples money. He certainly doesn't give his away but, that is liberal's hypocrisy.

Wow. A page under construc... (Below threshold)
jess:

Wow. A page under construction is "outrageous".

That's funny. No, really. Seriously. Gut busting funny.

What's next? A screen grab w/an Apache header - which would show those rethuglicans as Native American haters?.

Ha.

J

"He is an entertainer."<... (Below threshold)

"He is an entertainer."

Yeah, a majority of his listeners realize this (hence the term "ditto"), and don't always agree with everything that comes out of his mouth.

"He couldn't solve a real problem if his life depended on it."

Most of America has personal finance issues. I believe he's solved his own personal finance problems for life. BTW, I hope you're not entrusting government to "solve" real problems. Government meddling always makes real problems worse.

"If conservatives turn to people like Rush and Ann Coulter for talking points, they will become irrelevant irritants, not participants in the process."

Conservatives are not mind-numbed robots, despite many who think they are. They're critical thinkers. Anyone who gets "marching orders" from anyone else is a moron, whether they're conservative, liberal or otherwise.

"I have more faith in conservatives than that."

Everyone except for Rush Limbaugh and the conservative listeners of his show. Which is a big audience. Gotcha.

Nice big brush you have.

The narcissist-n-chief (con... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

The narcissist-n-chief (constitutional law professor?) hasn't quite grasped yet that he's not a king or a dictator.

He'll figure it out soon enough.

#7Adrian!! What do... (Below threshold)
914:

#7

Adrian!! What does Sarah Palin have to do with Husseins socialistic propensity to spend away our Childrens future?

Those who wish to continue ... (Below threshold)

Those who wish to continue to blame Bush for the state of the economy obviously have no understanding of the term "lame duck."

Republican control of the government effectively ended in January 2007. Since then, Republicans have been the minority in Congress and President Bush had little in the way of power except for his veto.

If you can show me some Democrat-sponsored legislation passed by Congress and subsequently vetoed by Bush that was specifically aimed at addressing the looming problems with mortgage lenders and investment banks, I'd love to see it. Heck, if you can even show me one major speech made by a Democrat before the summer of 2008 urging Congress to reign in mortgage lenders and Wall Street, I'd love to see it.

Likewise, if you can prove that Democrats alone were responsible for the outstanding economic growth, minuscule inflation, low unemployment and superior market performance between 2002 and 2007, then go ahead. I'd love to see that as well.

Otherwise, shut your pie holes. Because of you're going to talk about Bush and the economy, you'll need to discuss his entire eight year tenure as President.

Well, Obama's right. He wo... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Well, Obama's right. He won. He's f***ing the cat now and the majority Democrats in both houses are holding its head and tail.

If he comes away scratched, bloody, and befuddled it won't be the Republicans' fault.

L Dickman: Do I know you? W... (Below threshold)
Joseph Pantes:

L Dickman: Do I know you? When did you complete your TSU education? Please respond. Thx!

So what if he said "I won".... (Below threshold)
lucy:

So what if he said "I won"...the Republicans favorite line was "Get over it".

I'm responding to your old ... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

I'm responding to your old post and your new post, Tom.

I listen to the show, Tom. Now, be honest, do you think Rush encourages people to think for themselves? That tortured explanation of the secret decoder meaning of "ditto" was pretty amusing though.

Look Tom, if you enjoy Rush, fine. I use to like to watch Keith Olberman. But I didn't fool myself that I was getting usable information that would help me form an intelligent opinion on the important issues of the day.

And for those who want to look to Rush as their leader (and I'm not saying you do), have at it. Operation Chaos worked like a charm. And Claire McCaskill lost in Missouri after Rush made fun of Michael J. Fox.

"Most of America has personal finance issues. I believe he's solved his own personal finance problems for life. BTW, I hope you're not entrusting government to "solve" real problems. Government meddling always makes real problems worse."

No, you are not serious. Now if we could all drop out of college and get jobs yammering on the radio, that would be great.

"I believe he's solved his own personal finance problems for life. "

Yeah, so has Jenna Jameson.

And, I hate to tell you but there are problems only government can solve. Our current financial crisis for one. The private sector most certainly is not up to that. The capitalist heroes, who make our jobs for us(a conservative mantra), are all standing around with their hats in their hands.

I tried to be respectful to conservatives and to you personally. And I was sincere. But I've learned you don't mess with Texas and you don't mess with El Rushbo. His loyal listeners will rise to his defense like the mind-numbed robotic dittoheads they claim not to be.

OK. Maybe this is it. People like you can listen to him with a certain level of detachment. But I have no doubt whatsoever that a substantial portion of his listenership looks to him to inform them of what the "Drivebys" hide from them. Worse yet they allow them to prechew their intellectual food for them and feed it to them like a mother bird. And they turn to him to tell him them what to think about a given issue.

Like other demagogues, he plays an influential role in our national dialogue. That role is grossly out of proportion to the quality of his own thoughts.

The best way for republican... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The best way for republicans to succeed is to let the dimwits have their control. Let them own it lock, stock and barrel. The ship was taking on water in December but now it is starting to sink.

Yesterday, Barry surrendered to the terrorists and put my family and yours at risk. Why would he do that? To score his political points. That is how disgusting the liberal party is. ww

Yo, Baron, lay off the best... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

Yo, Baron, lay off the bestiality imagery.

Please.

The Chosen One and his frie... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The Chosen One and his friends in Congress (you know, the one with the LOWEST approval rating ever) will run this country into the ground. Their first order of business will be to buy future votes. Hence the need to "refund" tax dollars to those who pay no taxes. Get those suckers hooked on the federal teat and they'll follow you anywhere.

BTW, that "I won" comment shows the size of his ego.

Can a statement of fact be ... (Below threshold)
max:

Can a statement of fact be egotistical?

"You either back him up or ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

"You either back him up or you are not supporting America. Yes, he earned that support, by getting elected. Like it or not, it comes with the job."
~DJ Drummond

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2006/09/15/the-war-matters-katie-couric-d.php

"Now, be honest, do you ... (Below threshold)

"Now, be honest, do you think Rush encourages people to think for themselves?"

Yeah, I do. Apparently we disagree.

"That tortured explanation of the secret decoder meaning of "ditto" was pretty amusing though."

Not surprising you felt that way. Your tortured butchering of the meaning was pretty amusing also.

"No, you are not serious. Now if we could all drop out of college and get jobs yammering on the radio, that would be great."

I'm dead serious. What makes the difference how he solved the issue? He solved it, which makes your idea (yes idea, not you personally) that he couldn't solve "real issues" ridiculous.

"Yeah, so has Jenna Jameson."

That's great for her. Whether I agree or disagree with how either of them solved their personal financial problems, they actually did do it, on their own terms without governmental interference.

"And, I hate to tell you but there are problems only government can solve. Our current financial crisis for one."

Sure. Just like the former USSR and Cuba have "solved" their financial prblems. That's good for a laugh though, thanks!

"The capitalist heroes, who make our jobs for us(a conservative mantra), are all standing around with their hats in their hands."

Of course they are, because the government is willing to hand it out to them. Reagan proved that when you get government out of the way and stop handing capitalists money, they go out and make their money the old fashioned way. They earn it. (I still love that old Smith Barney commercial).

"I tried to be respectful to conservatives and to you personally. And I was sincere. But I've learned you don't mess with Texas and you don't mess with El Rushbo. His loyal listeners will rise to his defense like the mind-numbed robotic dittoheads they claim not to be."

Interesting comment. I was nothing but respectful to you, and focused on nothing but the ideas you put forth. I wasn't personal. However, you somehow feel the need to go back to the tired old insult and try and paint me as a "mind-numbed robotic dittohead they (in this case, I) claim not to be". How "sincere and respectful" of you. Thanks!

"OK. Maybe this is it. People like you can listen to him with a certain level of detachment."

Ah, the compliment after the insult, tempered with, "certain level of detachment". Which one do you believe about me? Meh, whatever. Don't worry about it, I really don't mind all that much.

"But I have no doubt whatsoever that a substantial portion of his listenership looks to him to inform them of what the "Drivebys" hide from them. Worse yet they allow them to prechew their intellectual food for them and feed it to them like a mother bird. And they turn to him to tell him them what to think about a given issue."

Once again, I repeat: anyone who gets "marching orders" from anyone else is a moron, whether they're conservative, liberal or otherwise. For the most part, conservatives are critical, independent thinkers.

"Like other demagogues, he plays an influential role in our national dialogue. That role is grossly out of proportion to the quality of his own thoughts."

It's a free country, he can say what the hell he wants to say. There are repercussions for anything you say, so let the Free Market sort all that out, as it's done so successfully for the last 20 years. (The same Free Market that decided Air America stunk, BTW.)

If you don't like what he has to say, you're free to turn it off; or turn the dial, and listen to something else if you want to. Or, you're free to continue "listening" and getting your facts about the show wrong. It's all up to you, Dave. And that is the great thing about the Free Market system. I'd like to keep it that way, instead of leaving it up to the government to decide.

Phew! Now after all that, I think we should just let this rest. I'm not going to change your mind, you're not going to change mine, so I'm done. If you want to continue be my guest, but I think this just about covers it all.

Sincerely Dave, have a good afternoon.

Jess and Joe Pants,<p... (Below threshold)
Larry Dickman:

Jess and Joe Pants,

I didn't take a screenshot of NRCC's "under construction" page; I took a screenshot of its idiotic boast on how well the economy is doing under repub tax cuts.

BETTER YET

The HTML wizards at NRCC can't figure out how to get rid of the cached web page.

Bask in its glory:

http://www.nrcc.org/issues/default.asp?ID=47

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

OMG! This is why 65M voters didn't think the Repubs could lead us out of their own economic mess.

HAHAHAHAHA

"Mission Accomplished"

LD

A browne - "The Republi... (Below threshold)
Marc:

A browne - "The Republicans are still . . . STILL . . . squabbling over Sarah Palin's shopping spree:"

If you're going to spin something, at least get a bit closer to reality. You know, that whole "grain of truth thing."

The only "squabble" is over a promise the RNC made to give the clothes to charity that by all indications hasn't occurred yet.

That's a problem? How so?

Not to worry, I don't expect anything resembling a coherent answer, that's far beyond your abilty.

what a nice smile...it look... (Below threshold)
geo:

what a nice smile...it looks like he either ate a piece of hard candy or swallowed a lemon..either way he looks uguuugu

i would hate to see obama t... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

i would hate to see obama turn into bu$h so fast.... but if what he really meant by "i won" in its full context was that the nation had handed him a solid mandate, well he would at the very least be a thousand percent right about that. a thousand percent......

TMV's Pete Abel <a h... (Below threshold)
James H:
Michael said, "Dissent is t... (Below threshold)
tyree:

Michael said, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism, remember?"

No, actually it is not. For my part, I will support what Obama does when it is good for the country, and I will resist all things he does that hurt the country.

Michael, do not use the lefts tactics to try to support the right. The unreasoned hatred that drove many on the left looney drove our country to where it is today. We calm reason and analysis of our problems, not anarchist drivel.

tyree, you're obviously a t... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

tyree, you're obviously a troll from the Democratic Underground trying to make conservatives look stupid by association. Nice try. Nobody is so stupid as to think someone could sincerely believe that "the left" is responsible for the world of shit in which your country currently finds itself.

Kudos for trying, though.

"Dissent is the highest for... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism, remember?"

Kudos, Michael. That is exactly the inspiration of The Declaration of Independence.

"Dissent is the highest for... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"

wow. so we get to see this sentiment turn from treason back into patriotism for neocons, now that a dem is in office?

you guys really turn on a dime!
depp=true
notiz=Here's nine cents in change.

pea[brain]3000 - "wow. ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

pea[brain]3000 - "wow. so we get to see this sentiment turn from treason back into patriotism for neocons, now that a dem is in office?"

Gee, where did you purchase that mile-wide brush your painting everyone with?

"Dissent is the highest for... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"

The Chosen One has decreed that effective January 22, 2009, this statement is no longer operative.

After all, to put it in His words, "I won".

So what if he said "I won".... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

So what if he said "I won"...the Republicans favorite line was "Get over it".

Lucy, Obama also said that. Just to jog your selective memory, it was when he won out over Hillary!

Time out - who said dissent... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

Time out - who said dissent was the "highest" form of patriotism. It is a manifestation of patriotism, not its highest form.

But peabody's point is well-taken. No attribution applies 100% to any group. However, Marc, are you suggesting that it was not a Republican trope that those who did not support Bush in every aspect of his policies (including the Irag War)were tratitors giving "aid and comfrott to the enemy"? If so you are a liar or you must have lived in an altenrative universe for the last six years.

peabody~neocons ar... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

peabody~

neocons are not conservatives.

Sorry. Two typos: "comfort"... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

Sorry. Two typos: "comfort" and "alternative"
Never push the "Submit" button too fast.

d nobel - "But peabody'... (Below threshold)
Marc:

d nobel - "But peabody's point is well-taken. No attribution applies 100% to any group."

But it does to certain individuals here, including peabrain, it also applies to his incessant use of the term "neocon." He's FAR from selective in it's use.

"However, Marc, are you suggesting that it was not a Republican trope that those who did not support Bush in every aspect of his policies (including the Irag War)were tratitors giving "aid and comfrott to the enemy"? If so you are a liar or you must have lived in an altenrative universe for the last six years."

I didn't suggest a damn thing other than peabrains misguided/misplaced assertion.

If you desire to attribute words or thoughts to me, free free, but you can fully expect to be called a despicable little troll in the model of pea[brain]3000.

IIRC, over the last 8 years... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

IIRC, over the last 8 years, liberals have repeated the line that "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism", when referring to opposition to President Bush.

Now that The Chosen One is in office, conservatives are reminded "I won" when they dissent from His view. Of course, as Lucy reminds us, we could also be told "to get over it".

Bipartisanship is a beautiful thing. No need for debate. No need to express an alternative point of view. "I won" says it all.

If Obama keeps pistol whipp... (Below threshold)

If Obama keeps pistol whipping the opposition like this, his approval ratings are going to plummet. This is not the "hope and change" that will appeal to most Americans. Obama should apologize.

http://www.rightklik.net/

Let me explain the new poli... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Let me explain the new political strategy.

The left, from day one of GW's day in office started demeaning, degrading and marginalizing every action he took. This was part of their plan.

So, it is crucial that we conservatives use the play book of the left and constantly point out all things wrong with Barry. Death by a thousand cuts. The strategy worked this time. We need to continue it.

Normally, in the past, I would take a more civil approach, but the left has changed the
"game" of politics so much, we cannot operate under any civil approach.

Just think back. On day ONE of GW's presidency, the left bitched and nagged every little thing without let up. We need to return the favor.

Barry is the worst president ever. Within two days of his presidency, he has surrendered to the terrorists thus making all our men and women in the military that gave their life and limb, do so for nothing. Thanks Barry. Thanks liberals. Again you spit on the military. ww

One more time - well it's j... (Below threshold)
JFO:

One more time - well it's just getting to be all the time - marc steps on his own tongue. You whine about the "incessant use of the term neocon" while you incessantly refer to the president as "B. Hussein Obama." No one, but dipshit rightwingers such as yourself, uses his name that way. It's a clear demonstration of your bigotry and hatred.

You just keep on giving us examples of your stupidity and hypocrisy.

WeeWillie are you now the l... (Below threshold)
JFO:

WeeWillie are you now the leader of the opposition? I hope so. You certainly are representative of today's conservatives.

Oh, Marc, now I won't be ab... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

Oh, Marc, now I won't be able to sleep tonight.

Now, reality check. Get ready Marc, this for you will be a scary ride.

"Gee, where did you purchase that mile-wide brush your painting everyone with?"

PeaB alleged that Republicans regularly accused those who opposed President Bush of treason and providing aid and comfort to the enemy. Guess what? They did. Where have you been?

"He is an entertainer."<... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

"He is an entertainer."

Yeah, so are the hundreds of so-called actors in Hollywood that we are supposed to take seriously because they've decided to open their traps to preach to the unwashed masses about their pet-hate of the month.

And yet, we are to believe they are more worthy to be listened to? Hah.

Bite me Susan Sarandon.

If you don't like what h... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

If you don't like what he has to say, you're free to turn it off; or turn the dial, and listen to something else if you want to.

That's what I've been doing to the television for the past 5 years. The last network news broadcast I listened to was election night, and I turned it off promptly at 11:01pm when CBS, champing at the bit, announced the O's ascension to the throne.

There was no need to continue watching after that.

peabodyneoco... (Below threshold)
jmc:
peabody

neocons are not conservatives.

But they are republicans.

So what if he said "I wo... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

So what if he said "I won"...the Republicans favorite line was "Get over it".

Lucy, Obama also said that. Just to jog your selective memory, it was when he won out over Hillary!

How soon they forget:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/obamas-get-over-it-moment-with-women/

According to Representative Yvette Clarke, Democrat of New York, Mr. Obama then said, "However, I need to make a decision in the next few months as to how I manage that since I'm running against John McCain, which takes a lot of time. If women take a moment to realize that on every issue important to women, John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it."

One more time - well it'... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

One more time - well it's just getting to be all the time - marc steps on his own tongue. You whine about the "incessant use of the term neocon" while you incessantly refer to the president as "B. Hussein Obama."

Would you prefer "Chimpy McHopenchangyone" instead?

peabody neo... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

peabody

neocons are not conservatives.

But they are republicans.

Oh, I thought (after hearing about this for eight years) that NeoCon was the sooper-sekret code word for "Jooooooooooooooooooos!"

David Brooks being one of the forerunners of this theory( a sort of "Yiddish Trilateral Commission)

Rep. Eric Cantor and the re... (Below threshold)
George Author Profile Page:

Rep. Eric Cantor and the rest of the Republicans in Congress won, too. They weren't appointed by Obama. They weren't elected to roll over for Obama.

Obama's lack of non-bipartisanship is crystal clear. It always existed but the MSM muddied it up a bit to get him elected.

Shoving a trillion dollar failure down our throats is one thing; doing it with utter arrogance is another.

Jim,Nice craven mo... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

Jim,

Nice craven move - identifiying criticism of neocons with anti-semitsm. Foul!

Now to something more important -

"Yeah, so are the hundreds of so-called actors in Hollywood that we are supposed to take seriously because they've decided to open their traps to preach to the unwashed masses about their pet-hate of the month.

And yet, we are to believe they are more worthy to be listened to? Hah."

No, bro, they are just movie stars. Their opinion is no more valuable than yours or mine.

Dave the Liberal

I guess if "YOU WON" you al... (Below threshold)
ll:

I guess if "YOU WON" you also take the BLAME when you screw up!

B. You got it.... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

B. You got it.

"I guess if "YOU WON" you a... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"I guess if "YOU WON" you also take the BLAME when you screw up!"

No, no, no. The Chosen One is NEVER wrong! If anything goes wrong, it's George Bush's fault.

Tom,Nothing tortur... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

Tom,

Nothing tortured about my understanding of the meaning of "ditto." It was based on common parlance. I don't own a copy of the "Dittohead Secret Dictionary."

Cuba and the former USSR failed because they based were on a dysfunctional political and economic model. That does not impugn governments in general. To suggest that is a fundamental and blatant logic error.

"How "sincere and respectful" of you. Thanks!"

Hey , Tom lighten up. Huffy outrage doesn't become you. If you really let Rush thinkfor you, then I'm talking about you. Otherwise, you have no reason to be offended.
Interesting that a blogger on a site where liberals are regularly called idiots, morons, and asshats should be so thin-skinned.

Of course Rush has the right in to say what he wants and make money doing it. That's not the issue. The issue is the quality of his work. And of course I don't have to listen to him. No one had to watch the pro-Obama video. But that didn't prevent Wizbangers from posting their reactions to it. I am doing the same with respect to Rush. What puts him above criticism?

You might ask yourself why you rise so quickly to the defense of a DJ, cum entertainer, faux political commentator, who could care less whether you live or die. I did not criticize you or a member of your family. Why should you take it personally? You could have ignored me just as I can choose to ignore Rush.

Want to read some literary ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Want to read some literary fellatio?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090124/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_first_week

Not surprised. They invented Him and supported Him. Might say they have a vested interest in His success.

You know, the one Brokaw finally admitted 'we really don't know much about him'.

"Oh, I thought (after heari... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Oh, I thought (after hearing about this for eight years) that NeoCon was the sooper-sekret code word for "Jooooooooooooooooooos!""

Nope. They are Zionists, definitely not Jews.

It's such a pleasure seeing... (Below threshold)
StevenRobb:

It's such a pleasure seeing the obnoxious right wing get a little of their own medicine. See how you feel now? That was us for the last 8 years. Don't you think you should've been a little nicer to us now? No? Well, "get over it."

And as far as Obama saying "I won", good for him. That's the only way to deal with people like Boehner and McConnell. If they don't like it, they can feel free to use their flimsy vote any way they want.

The new survey by Gallup... (Below threshold)
StevenRobb:

The new survey by Gallup -- the first conducted entirely after Obama took the oath of office Tuesday -- found 68 percent of Americans approve of how the new president is handling the job. Meanwhile, only 12 percent of Americans disapprove of Obama's job performance so far.

So, hey 12 percent. Shut up. No one cares for your whining.

Man, people on the Internet... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Man, people on the Internet bickering and calling each other names? It's all so unseemly. Who would've ever imagined such a thing?

Oh and Dave, down here in Texas "I'm f***ing this cat, you just hold its head" is a pretty common expression. I giggled like a retard the first time someone barked it back when I was a boy. It's not to imply anyone would actually penetrate a cat sexually, just an assertion that a body knows what they're doing so don't get in the way.

Which is basically what the Republicans in Congress have been told by Obama and their Democratic counterparts.

Exactly, Steven. 12%. You c... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Exactly, Steven. 12%. You could probably find a higher percentage of people in favour of strangling kittens, televising executions, or lowering the age of consent to 11.

They are dead enders, quite simply. No reason to take them seriously.

And you're right about Boehner and McConnell: bullies when they're in power, whiny crybabies when reduced to political eunuchs. Their party tried to paint Obama as a limp-wristed girly-man but now he's rubbing their wretched faces in their electoral failure that is the product of their own incompetence and failure to provide leadership. Sorry to all the decent, thoughtful conservatives, but it's hard not to find this all pretty funny.

BVO: it's a great expressio... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

BVO: it's a great expression. The clever and expressive use of vulgarity is something that could help close the gap of partisanship in America.

"Dissent is the highest for... (Below threshold)
jmc:

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism, remember?"

And critisizing the president is treason remember? Although of course, we were right and you were wrong so dissent away. I think it is good.

H. has won another. Fred B... (Below threshold)
Larry Dickman:

H. has won another. Fred Barnes says the hell with it and surrenders:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/056dzjlw.asp?pg=1

"For the foreseeable future, attacking Obama will be counterproductive for Republicans. He's both enormously popular and the bearer of moral authority as the first African-American president. So the idea is for Republicans to make Obama an ally by using his words, from the inaugural address and speeches and interviews, against Democrats and their initiatives in Congress."

"Obama is for bipartisanship. Pelosi, Reid, and their cohort are heavyhanded partisans with no interest in accommodating Republicans. Obama favors transparency. They don't. Obama says he wants "to spend wisely" and promises that "programs will end" if they don't work. That's hardly the philosophy of congressional Democrats."

That's some clear-thinkin' leadership there.

Exactly, Steven. 1... (Below threshold)
Exactly, Steven. 12%.

Which is the exact percentage polled who said congress was doing a good job under Pelosi and Reid.

Jim,Nice cr... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Jim,

Nice craven move - identifiying criticism of neocons with anti-semitsm. Foul!

Whatever. It's the leftists argument, not mine. They own it. They've proven that time and time again when I see their march pics over at zombietime. And, I've paid my secret dues to the cabal, so I'm waiting for all that money to roll in!

Meanwhile, only 12 perce... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Meanwhile, only 12 percent of Americans disapprove of Obama's job performance so far.

What job performance? He's only been at it for four days, what's he done? Sign a couple of executive orders, and got snippy with some press. Wow.

It's such a pleasure see... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

It's such a pleasure seeing the obnoxious right wing get a little of their own medicine. See how you feel now? That was us for the last 8 years. Don't you think you should've been a little nicer to us now? No? Well, "get over it."

Dude. We are not you. We will not be marching out in the streets with stupid papier mache puppets with obnoxious slogans and grotesque poster art. Neither will we conducting conspiracies on whether Obama ordered the destruction of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. We've got a looong, looong way to go before we reach the vitriol that has spewed forth from the left half of the public.

Should we have been NICER? You gotta be kidding me? After eight years of constant hatred thrown our way, all of a sudden we are supposed to be sweet and loving? Man, you better go smoke another bowl there...

I mean, go to zombietime.com and browse through the many, many examples of the left's love and tolerance. Hell, I can go outside right now, across the street to the college campus and find car after car full of bumper stickers with the same sort of crap.

Fred Barnes says the hel... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Fred Barnes says the hell with it and surrenders:

That's fine, I've said hell to Fred many many years ago. He was always a rather squishy sort to start with, and a beltway guy to boot. Please, take him along with Peggy Noonan and Colin Powell.

I promised massive spending... (Below threshold)
Bob:

I promised massive spending, wealth redistribution and lots more government programs. During my brief stay in the Senate, I consistently voted with the most liberal group in Congress. While I might have suddenly quit my church (for obvious reasons), did you really think that I would also suddenly convert to conservative, free market principles once I got to the White House? Get over it. I didn't lie. I told you what you'd get. The people chose, I won, and NOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT.

"The clever and expressive ... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

"The clever and expressive use of vulgarity is something that could help close the gap of partisanship in America."

I'm all for the clever and expressive use of vulgarity, Hyper, but I think maybe you're giving it more credit than it deserves. I definitely agree we could all use a little more humor.

Baron

I prefer "Keep the shiny side up." But then that wouldn't work in the context of your post.

I don't think we need to ju... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I don't think we need to just slam Barry. We can just keep a current list of the mistakes he has made that will very soon impact us.
1- Surrendering the war on terror.
2- Trillion dollars to earmarks.
3- Granting waivers to lobbyists after he signed an exec. order saying he won't use them.
4- Selling his senate seat.
5- Holding up digital changeover to help a friend.
6- Offering Biden VP or State.
7- Messing up his swearing in.

Just keep adding to the list. No need to project Barry screwing up, he already is. ww

Dave, I have to admit you h... (Below threshold)

Dave, I have to admit you have a vivid imagination. First, you imagine Rush's entire conservative audience as a bunch of "mind-numbed, robotic dittoheads". Then you imagine I got "personal" with you in my comments. Then you imagine "huffy outrage" from me. All of this because I had to educate you on the word "ditto", the meaning of which to any listener of the show is painfully obvious. If you really want to see personal insults thrown around with huffy outrage, just read your own comments.

Finally, and this is the kicker. You imagine that I mostly came to the defense of Rush Limbaugh, when in fact it was mainly all the conservatives you painted as "mind-numbed robots" with that gigantic paintbrush of yours.

You've proven worthy of being ignored. Consider it done.

Oh, I couldn't resist one more thing. Don't make me angry, Dave. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. (Just to be sure you're clear, that was a joke, Dave. You can laugh now.)

dear neocons: the hubbub ov... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

dear neocons: the hubbub over the word neocon here is odd

its very true that neocons arent conservatives, but if youre a twenty-percenter still welded in alliance to the DECIDEDLY neocon bu$h regime, i think the term is applicable enough to include you in that group

and its a group that has often defined itself as being quite paintable with one brush. their whole MO is to immediately and reflexively circle the wagons against any encroaching ideas and fight fight fight with carefully constructed and aggressively ignorant talking points on behalf their neocon leaders, who have all too easily herded them into one illogical camp after another

many neocons for example STILL DONT REALIZE that by the time hostilities commenced, just about everyone else knew there were no WMDs in iraq. we havent been monday-morning-quarterbacking for the past 5+ years. the shell game of vacuous government lies had been totally exposed. doesnt it suck that they went to that kind of trouble to dupe you with so-called "big-lie" politics?

for bu$h, cheney, and the rest of the regime, neoconservatism is a used condom. theyre done with it. theyre done with you. they got what they wanted and now you have to deal with the extraordinary and bloody mess they created

"Entertainer" is right. Ru... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

"Entertainer" is right. Rush Limbaugh's meltdown was pretty funny.

"Which is the exact percent... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"Which is the exact percentage polled who said congress was doing a good job under Pelosi and Reid." -- OregonMuse

Wanting Congress to do a better job, The American People responded in November by sending notably fewer Republicans to Congress.

That's got to sting, conservatives. Stings real bad, right?

Deal with it.

peabody3000Your br... (Below threshold)
maggie:

peabody3000

Your broad brushing of posters/editors on
Wizbang is going to bring you some unwelcome
attention.
Cool it.

Let's add to WW's list.<br ... (Below threshold)
MPR:

Let's add to WW's list.
8.Killing 16 CIVILIANS IN AFGHANISTAN just days after assuming office. OBAMALALA IS A WAR CRIMINAL!!
John Conyers is going to continue to investigate war crimes into Obamalala's administration. YEEEEHAAAA.

Hmm. You know, Maggie, it's... (Below threshold)
StevenRobb:

Hmm. You know, Maggie, it's easy to point out your partisan hypocracy elsewhere. From now on, every time there is a post that offers an opinion that is counter to the far right, and gets eliminated purely on the bases of your own personal feelings and not due to reasonable debate, I will create a Youtube channel with videos that point every one of these out.

You can't silence opinion simply because you don't like it, and if you want this site to become a pure wind tunnel of right wing blather, good luck. You'll be gone in a year.

I enjoyed Herman's wish lis... (Below threshold)
MPR:

I enjoyed Herman's wish list. He is a true citizen of Obamalala La La Land. It was predictably over the top but, hey let him say it.
I will support free speech even after Obamalala brings the "Fairness Doctrine" out of mothballs.

StevenRobb,Are you t... (Below threshold)
maggie:

StevenRobb,
Are you threatening me? If I deem it so, you'll
be hearing from your service provider.

heyi voted for bu$... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

hey

i voted for bu$h in 2000

i can admit having made such a huge error in judgement

i certainly didnt repeat it in 2004

"I won" -- The ObamaMessiah... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"I won" -- The ObamaMessiah

Yes, ObamaMessiah, you have indeed won, you have for now defeated the evil conservatives. Alas, the unthinking Dittoheads shall remain proud of the damage caused by them and Chimpy, Bush's record disapproval rating notwithstanding.

Still though, we have this to look forward to:

*The end of Torture done in the name of Jesus Christ;

*The abandonment of the favoring of the wealthy over the poor done in the name of Jesus Christ;

*the termination of discrimination against homosexuals in the form of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," acceptance of different lifestyles overcoming intolerance;

*the beginning of health care coverage that is widespread;

*the end of Bush's veto on stem cell research;

*the end of illegal detention;

*the greater provision of family planning information, procedures, and devices for those living in the poorest of countries;

*respect rather than disdain for both international law and the opinions of those democratic leaders in other countries;

*an investigation into all the crimes committed by the Republicans (this might take a while)

Wanting Congress t... (Below threshold)
Wanting Congress to do a better job, The American People responded in November by sending notably fewer Republicans to Congress.

Sorry, the poll I was referring to was taken after the election. Suck it, Herman

It is amazing that the left... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

It is amazing that the lefty trolls here try and try to convince us we are insignificant but yet they continue on commenting and staying. Could it be they know it isn't so? Could it be that they are finding out Obama does not have the ability to do what he said? Could it be they know their ship is sinking via all the latest democratic scandals? Yes. They have started dying by a thousand cuts. Tee-Hee. ww

No ones threatening anyone.... (Below threshold)
Stevenrobb:

No ones threatening anyone. We're talking about an open dialogue here, of which you are infrequently stiffling. Here's a better solution. Goodbye for good..

StevenRobb,If I deem... (Below threshold)
maggie:

StevenRobb,
If I deem your post as being threatening, you
can reap the consequences.
Nothing has been stifled here. If you do not
like Wizbangs efforts at cleaning up some of the
more vitriolic comments, feel free to post over
at Blue where you can enjoy true freedom of
speech.

Good to see that the severa... (Below threshold)

Good to see that the several millions of those too damned stupid to know they're being lied to and/or who are too damned mean-spirited and/or greedy to care and/or are criminal alien, long dead and/or are felons (all of whom, collectivist-ly comprise the "Democratic" party's "base") -- and/or who are the recidivistic crypto-fascists who run and consigliere that gang's vast organised criminal enterprises and navigate its RICO-racketeering pirate fleet -- are so well represented on these threads.

But not as good as it will be (after 2010 has seen the end of his gang's control of Congress and 2012 the end of the mobbed-up Marxist murtadd Muslim: B Hussein bin B Hussayn bin Hussayn Muhummad Zero's pretending to the "presidency") -- to see turned inwards, upon himself and upon his fellows, the psychopathological projection of the FasciSSocialist Psychosis that (along with the institutionalized envy, hatred, rage and petty resentment that defines the Lunatic Left's "politics" and by way of which every one of them rationalizes and justifies his insanity) afflicts them, every one.

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles - CalifZEROcated 90028 -- and the Far Abroad

Could it be they ... (Below threshold)
jmc:
Could it be they know their ship is sinking via all the latest democratic scandals?

Yes, willie when I saw, Obama's disapproval rating jump to 12% I said "Henny penny the sky is falling!"

PeebodyThe whole r... (Below threshold)
914:

Peebody

The whole regime was a weapon of mass destruction, just likethe current one here.

Open Your eyes dimwit.

"Henny penny the s... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
"Henny penny the sky is falling!"

jmc, this is what you should be saying, because you know approval ratings mean squat.

You'll be gone in ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
You'll be gone in a year.

No, that doesn't sound like a threat at all, Stevenrobb. You should have just said good-bye to begin with.

jmc,You've left so... (Below threshold)
Aye Chihuahua:

jmc,

You've left some crumbs scattered on the carpet over here:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/01/21/barack-obama-to-close-overseas-interrogation-sites.php

pea[brain]3000 - "many ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

pea[brain]3000 - "many neocons for example STILL DONT REALIZE that by the time hostilities commenced, just about everyone else knew there were no WMDs in iraq. we havent been monday-morning-quarterbacking for the past 5+ years."

Well now, hostilities commenced on March 19, 2003.

So given that surely you can provide a linked list of all those that knew "there were no WMDs in Iraq" within say, a month of either side of the date.

Surely you can.

Right?

Marc,Obamalala knew.... (Below threshold)
MPR:

Marc,
Obamalala knew. He knows everything, right?

"So given that surely you c... (Below threshold)
Larry Dickman:

"So given that surely you can provide a linked list of all those that knew "there were no WMDs in Iraq" within say, a month of either side of the date."

Hans Blix, January 27, 2003, and everyone who read his report.

That's why so few of America's and England's long time allies took part in . . . the War of Iraqi People's Liberation . . . that's our take on it now, right?

I know, I know, we had the coalition of the willing . . . and I was grateful when the Poles and Costa Ricans showed up. They brought medical teams to treat . . . other Poles and Costa Ricans.

But we did trade patches.

Sorry Larry.That s... (Below threshold)
Aye Chihuahua:

Sorry Larry.

That story won't hold water.

First, I've read the Blix report.

Second, you should too.

Third, the coalition for OIF was actually larger than the coalition for Desert Storm.

Sorry those memes didn't work out for you.

Hans Blix? Hans Blix!!? You... (Below threshold)
MPR:

Hans Blix? Hans Blix!!? You mean Mr. Magoo. That Hans Blix?

AC,I've read and l... (Below threshold)
Larry Dickman:

AC,

I've read and lived the Blix report. David Kay confirmed it and went beyond Blix's findings.

I was in Gulf War 1 and The War to Liberate the Iraqi Peoples, and the allied firepower in GW1 FAR OUTMATCHED the second one. How many Arab countries joined us in the second one? How many allies . . . with say an air force joined us?

Yes, I appreciate Costa Rica, Poland, and Iceland, but they hardly compare to Germany, Canada, and France.

Spin it any way you want, AC, but Blix and the others were right.

Larry,You, sir, ar... (Below threshold)
Aye Chihuahua:

Larry,

You, sir, are the one spinning.

You're trying to convince those who know better that Mr. Blix said something that he didn't.

Now, you're bringing Mr. Kay into it as well.

I've read his reports too.

Neither of these men said what you claim that they said, especially not in the time frame of March 19, 2003.

Sorry, it didn't happen.

Anyone who was paying attention is aware that France, Germany, and Russia chose not to participate because they had financial interests at stake ie "Oil for Food" so their failure to partake in the killing of their golden goose is both expected and irrelevant.

Won't work. Sorry.

One other thing.Th... (Below threshold)
Aye Chihuahua:

One other thing.

There has never been a military action known as "The War to Liberate the Iraqi Peoples".

It's called Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF)

France hated the US before ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

France hated the US before the Iraq war, they do now while we are there, and they will when we leave. That is the way of France.

Canada? Come on. They rank like Costa Rico does with the help they can bring.

Germany has been castrated militarily since WWII. They have a defensive military, but now offensive.

You trolls want to be liked so much it is like you have no self esteem. You seek affirmation from others. Ergo, you are weak in mind.

Obama is failing. ww

david kay didnt call it a "... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

david kay didnt call it a "fantasy" that WMDs would be found in iraq?

yes, yes he did

blix went on record that there was no evidence of any willful material breach

but hey, they DID find two deteriorated chemical warhead shells buried in the sand somewhere right?

=]

Really, peabody?Re... (Below threshold)
Aye Chihuahua:

Really, peabody?

Really?

Here's what Mr. Kay said (2/1/2004):

KAY: I think Iraq was a dangerous place becoming more dangerous, because, in fact, what we observe is that the regime itself was coming apart. It was descending into worse the part of moral depravity and corruption. Saddam was isolated in a fantasy land capable of wreaking tremendous harm and terror on his individual citizens, but corruption, money gain was the root cause.

At the same time that we know there were terrorist groups in state still seeking WMD capability. Iraq, although I found no weapons, had tremendous capabilities in this area. A marketplace phenomena was about to occur, if it did not occur; sellers meeting buyers. And I think that would have been very dangerous if the war had not intervened.

The knowledge of how to make them, the knowledge of how to make small amounts, which is, after all, mostly what terrorists wants. They don't battlefield amounts of weapons.

No, Iraq remained a very dangerous place in terms of WMD capabilities, even though we found no large stockpiles of weapons.

Want to prove me wrong?

Quote it and link it.

Here's something else Mr. K... (Below threshold)
Aye Chihuahua:

Here's something else Mr. Kay said:

"We have discovered dozens of WMD-related programme activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002," declared Mr Kay.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1443180/WMD-hunters-still-looking-for-evidence.html

chihuahua - all youre doing... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

chihuahua - all youre doing is falling back on the weak base that iraq could THEORETICALLY maybe possibly sorta have been a threat, due to vague details that continue to go unsubstantiated

of course, any country CAN theoretically be a threat to another. thats the beauty of being a big country that wants to attack a smaller opponent

its just like hermann goering said:

"All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

peabody,Vague deta... (Below threshold)
Aye Chihuahua:

peabody,

Vague details? No, not so much.

There are mountains of evidence that defeat your weak arguments and, dare I say it, your lies.

There is clear evidence leading to clear conclusions from the very inspectors that you wish to quote to support your position.

The only thing is, their words don't support your position because they never said what you claim that they said.

Feel free to show me where Mr. Kay said that the search was a "fantasy".

Please show me where Mr. Blix said that there was no evidence of a material breach.

Show me where they said that because as of now all we have are your fabrications.

Not. Good. Enough.

pea]3000 - "blix went o... (Below threshold)
Marc:

pea]3000 - "blix went on record that there was no evidence of any willful material breach"

Perhaps you should take a gander at Han Blix book, Disarming Iraq, which was quoted by the Butler Report as saying:

"My gut feelings, which I kept to myself, suggested to me that Iraq still engaged in prohibited activities and retained prohibited items, and that it had the documents to prove it."
Further research shows that Blix was specifically referring to WMD, and said in his book:
"[M]y gut feeling was still that Iraq retained weapons of mass destruction."
Why did Blix keep these feelings to himself pea[brain]3000?

Isn't Hans Blix the guy who was head of the IAEA for a decade, until 1991 -- and in that capacity decided in that there wasn't enough evidence that Saddam was obtaining a nuclear weapon? And then admitted in 1996 that Saddam had been months away from obtaining a nuclear bomb in 1990?

Why, yes, he was.

larry dickman - "and th... (Below threshold)
Marc:

larry dickman - "and the allied firepower in GW1 FAR OUTMATCHED the second one."

You know NOTHING of which you attempt to speak. Your spin is based on what you perceive as a week coalition in Iraqi Freedom.

The REALITY is, regardless of participants, the six carrier groups in and around the Gulf in 2003 far exceeded anything that were present in 1991.

Each of the six carrier air wings could hit 700 targets per day in any weather, day and night, thanks to precision-guided munitions. During Desert Storm, an air wing could handle 200 targets a day - fewer at night or in bad weather.

You may have been there in both wars, but it means little when you spin, spin, spin, the reality. A reality that includes 12 years of intensive R&D and improvement in the U.S. weapons systems.

You're mental. Ev... (Below threshold)
Larry Dickman:

You're mental.

Even W. acknowledges this. Here he is agreeing with Kay who in '04 confirmed Blix from '03.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A14897-2004Oct7?language=printer

Now I agree that Hussein (the deposed dictator, not the Pres.) gamed things like a fool and deserved the hanging he got.

But look at what we were sold and how it turned out:

Yellowcake? No.
Aluminum tubes for gas centrifuges? No.
Niger connection? No.
Hook up in Prague? No.
"Six months away from developing a nuklar weapon"? No.
WMDs? No.
Unmanned drones that could attack our coast with chem. weapons? No.
Long range Al Samoud missiles? No.
Mobile chem/bio labs? No.
Poison training camp and factory in Khurmal? No.

And this is just W.'s WMD-related propaganda. We'll save the cost, greeted as liberators, and 6 days, 6 weeks, unlikely 6 months length of the war for later.

larry dick[less]man - "... (Below threshold)
Marc:

larry dick[less]man - "Hans Blix, January 27, 2003, and everyone who read his report."

Oh, this one you mean.

One that says in part of chem weapons:

The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed. Iraq has declared that it only produced VX on a pilot scale, just a few tonnes and that the quality was poor and the product unstable. Consequently, it was said, that the agent was never weaponised. Iraq said that the small quantity of agent remaining after the Gulf War was unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. UNMOVIC, however, has information that conflicts with this account. There are indications that Iraq had worked on the problem of purity and stabilization and that more had been achieved than has been declared. Indeed, even one of the documents provided by Iraq indicates that the purity of the agent, at least in laboratory production, was higher than declared. There are also indications that the agent was weaponised. In addition, there are questions to be answered concerning the fate of the VX precursor chemicals, which Iraq states were lost during bombing in the Gulf War or were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq.
Psst...larry, there's plenty more where that came (including Biological weapons and missile ranges in violation of sanctions) from in the report you purport to hold some "proof" of your statement.

A small suggestion... quit while you're BEHIND.

Marc,I love the wa... (Below threshold)
Aye Chihuahua:

Marc,

I love the way these guys keep beclowning themselves over and over and over.

Then, when they're pinned down, they try and move the goal posts.

Hysterical.

Marc,We appreciate... (Below threshold)
Larry Dickman:

Marc,

We appreciated your Tomahawks as they flew overhead. We sat in lawn chairs and watched them and the daily bombing package fly overhead and knew that there was going to be a world of hurt on the receiving end. Our firepower will always outmatch our allies combined.

But what our allies brought to the battle in '03 was far inferior to '91. Bush 41 put together a formidable coalition, far outdoing his son. And where was this present coalition when we were putting together our surge? Noticeably absent.

And what nimrod thinks the Germans don't have a military to contend with?

dick[less] - "But what... (Below threshold)
Marc:

dick[less] - "But what our allies brought to the battle in '03 was far inferior to '91."

Geebus, that goalpost was sent into orbit and landed somewhere in an alternative universe.

Sorry, the nato allies in 2003, believe it or don't, also spent billions on weapons improvement since the 1991 war.

That alone makes your assertion nonsense.

hit enter too soon.... dick... (Below threshold)
Marc:

hit enter too soon.... dick[less] this is your original contention and the one I responed to:

I was in Gulf War 1 and The War to Liberate the Iraqi Peoples, and the allied firepower in GW1 FAR OUTMATCHED the second one. How many Arab countries joined us in the second one? How many allies . . . with say an air force joined us?
Now, in your latest bird dropping you say this:
But what our allies brought to the battle in '03 was far inferior to '91.
Whcih is it nitwit?

Maggie, LaMedusa,D... (Below threshold)
newton:

Maggie, LaMedusa,

Don't be surprised at what this guy has been doing. He has threatened other people in this blog before. I know, because I was one of them.

He reminds me of my poor father-in-law's neighbor: that man is one neighbor you don't want to have next door, harassing you and intimidating you while sending the cops to your front door because he accuses you of violations of local laws, just so you spend your precious time and money in court and at city hall defending yourself against such a-hole.

His threats are too familiar here - even DJ had to ban a few of his comments for being downright nasty.

Maggie, if you want to call his ISP, go right ahead. There are ways to put him on notice. If he's gone from here for good, that's a welcome development. But people who love to be the nasty neighbor never let go of their harassment habit - it's a drug, an elixir that gives the illusion of power over others, because in reality, they're weaklings, they resent their weak status, and they will destroy anyone who reminds them of how pathetic and miserable they truly are.

If he still comes back to give you any $#!%, just tell the guys at Wizbang. They will know how to handle that S.O.B.

like i said, some neocons c... (Below threshold)
peabody3000:

like i said, some neocons continue to be utterly (quite possibly willfully) deluded about the WMD sham

Blix charges Blair and Bush with 'dramatising' the threat of WMD
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/1453854/Blix-charges-Blair-and-Bush-with-'dramatising'-the-threat-of-WMD.html

No Iraq WMDs Made After '91
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134625,00.html

there are untold thousands of such writings detailing the fraud that bu$hco perpetrated. and still no actual details from your very own perpetrators. neocons everywhere had better start "girding their loins"... accountability can be a reeeeeal bizzotch!!

the more neocons there are, the weaker america is

Peabody,Again you ... (Below threshold)
Aye Chihuahua:

Peabody,

Again you have failed to support your contention that Mr. Kay used described the search as "fantasy" or that Mr. Blix said that there was no material breach.

Were you lying?

If not, then surely you can come up with some sort of proof to support your claims.

"Accountability can be a reeeeeal bizzotch" when you post crap on the Internet and then cannot back up your assertions.

Now, let's look a little at the stuff you just posted.

In post #81 you made this statement:

many neocons for example STILL DONT REALIZE that by the time hostilities commenced, just about everyone else knew there were no WMDs in iraq. we havent been monday-morning-quarterbacking for the past 5+ years.

In post #101 Marc established a timeline of +/- one month of the invasion date just to give you the benefit of the doubt:

Well now, hostilities commenced on March 19, 2003.

So given that surely you can provide a linked list of all those that knew "there were no WMDs in Iraq" within say, a month of either side of the date.

Surely you can.

Right?

So far, the closest you've come is stuff from Feb 2004 which, when you actually read what it says, doesn't support your position.

So, we're left with the fact that you were obviously talking out of your ass in post #81.

You were apparently hoping that none of us knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, sister-kissing neocons would notice and call you out on it.

Sorry that didn't work out so well for you.

Tom,I have learned... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

Tom,

I have learned the hard way that I need to be painstakingly literal with you or you get confused.

So here goes:

I did not accuse you of personally attacking me. I observed that *you* ,that is, "Tom," seemed to take my criticism of Rush personally, which I found inexplicable.

I did not say Rush's listeners, including you, were mind-numbed robots. Those who believe something just because Rush says it. Those who do not independently seek the facts and apply their own prior knowledge and common sense to them. Those individuals are mind-numbed robots. If the shoe fits wear it, otherwise walk away untarred by Dave's Giant Brush.

Again I don't understand why Rush's listeners have a knee jerk tendency to defend him. And I do believe that includes you.

Call out Keith Olberman, Michael Moore, or any other left-wing entertainer and I promise you I will not come to their defense. Do you know why? They're freakin' entertainers, that's why. They are not role models, they are not mentors.

And finally you wanna see some huff. Here it is:

"You've proven worthy of being ignored. Consider it done."

[Scarlett who has had her hands on her hips, now drops them to her side and turns rapidly on her heel. She marches offstage as her petticoated skirt swirls and billlows around her]

Jeez, Louise. I'm sure in real life you're a fine man, husband, and father. And I mean that whether you believe me or not. So then, why here on the Bang would you want to adopt the tone of a scorned debutante?

Hahaha!Marc, I've... (Below threshold)
Larry Dickman:

Hahaha!

Marc, I've left your tongue tied and brain baffled. I said the same thing in both quotes.

Now I know you're around fumes all day, but I wasn't saying the coalition of the willing was "week," but rather that it was "weak."

Each time I school you, I'm awarded Teacher of the Weak.

dickless - "Marc, I've ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

dickless - "Marc, I've left your tongue tied and brain baffled. I said the same thing in both quotes."

Go ahead pick on my misreading your feckless comment. 'Cause that's all you got.

But please, let me on on your secret "schooling" of me. Was it how you avoiding points made to divert attention from your ignorance of the topic at hand.

Yeah, MeThinks so.

P.S. Here's another example taken from the post I misread: " And where was this present coalition when we were putting together our surge? Noticeably absent....And what nimrod thinks the Germans don't have a military to contend with?"

First of all they weren't needed were they. But you, along with Barack Hussein Obama would never say The Surge worked.

Secondly it's pretty hard to compare German participation in Operation Iraqi Freedom with 1991, they were NEVER part of the coalition in 2003.

Hey, Picasso, you'll just t... (Below threshold)
Larry Dickman:

Hey, Picasso, you'll just throw up anything and hope it sticks.

I KNOW Germany was never part of the coalition in '03. One of the reasons that it was a weAker coalition. You have a reading disability. Among other things.

Asking a serious question.<... (Below threshold)
mag:

Asking a serious question.
What is the opinion of the people here on this blog...if the USA gets hit with a major, major terrorist attack during the next four years? I mean how will they rate the president?
Just what to know how everyone feels regardless whether they voted/like Obama or not voted/dislikes him.

Mag,I don't know, ... (Below threshold)
Dave Noble:

Mag,

I don't know, but just as a historical record, what did 9/11 do to Bush's ratings? It got him reelected is what it did.

dickless - "I KNOW Germ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

dickless - "I KNOW Germany was never part of the coalition in '03. One of the reasons that it was a weAker coalition. You have a reading disability."

You keep making that assertion, but as yet not made one single attempt at showing how the 03 coalition was weaker than '91.

Well, other than hanging your hat on shear numbers of members.

All the while ignoring the billions of Euros spent by the EU members that were participants in '03 spent on massive technological advancements in their militaries after '91.

not to pile on larry dick[l... (Below threshold)
Marc:

not to pile on larry dick[less]man or anything, but I will just for the sport of it - "And what nimrod thinks the Germans don't have a military to contend with?"

dick[less] would you call Germany's Parliament a bunch of nimrods?

They "found forces in Afghanistan got through more than 1.7 million pints of beer and 92,000 bottles of wine last year."

"They are already on track to top those figures this year, with 901,000 pints of beer and 56,000 bottles of wine being shipped in the first six months."

"Earlier this year, another report found that 40 per cent Germany's 3,600 soldiers in Afghanistan were overweight."

Hum... looks like the only ones that could possibly "contend" with the German military are personal trainers to work the fat off and bar keepers.

{Taps keyboard..tap..tap..t... (Below threshold)
Aye Chihuahua:

{Taps keyboard..tap..tap..tap}

Is this thing on?

Testing...testing....

{Tap..tap}

Oh, you can see my post?

OK

Mr. Peabody.

Paging Mr. Peabody.

There are unresolved questions regarding your veracity in post 125.

Mr. Peabody....post 125 please.

STAT!




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