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House GOP holds the line; unanimously votes against "stimulus" bill

My problem with the current Republicans in Washington the last few years has been this: they've seemingly tried as hard as they can to be Democrat-lite. They pay lip service to conservative principles, but bend over backwards to help Democrats get whatever they want. All a Democrat has to do to get one of our GOP weenies on their side was point a finger and say "PARTISAN!", and the GOP weenie will jump up and down to prove how "bipartisan" they are, even if it means selling out their principles. Democrats in Washington have no principles; Republicans have no spines.

There have been brief flashes of strength among the GOP over the past year; the "Drill Baby Drill" house revolt immediately comes to mind. And yesterday, House Republicans remembered their principles and voted uniformly NO against the wasteful, pork-laden "stimulus" bill (as was already noted on Wizbang earlier, but this is such good news, it deserves two posts).

The House of Representatives approved an $819 billion economic stimulus package Wednesday, dealing the new Obama administration a legislative victory but also giving Republicans a chance to show their resolve as the opposition party.

The final vote was 244-188, mostly along party lines. All Republicans who were present voted against the bill. They were joined in their opposition by 11 Democrats.

Here is the official roll call, if you're interested.

This bill will be horrible for the United States. And yes, it passed anyways. But the House GOP sent a powerful message, and this is now officially the Democrats' baby. Throwing money into a recession has never helped the economy before (hello, FDR, I'm talking to you), and this bill isn't really even designed to stimulate the economy. It's loaded with pork and wasteful spending that, if passed, our children -- maybe even our grandchildren -- will be the ones paying it off. This is $825 billion of borrowed money, and it will do absolutely nothing to help the economy. Zip, zero, nada.

So, big high fives all around to the House GOP. We've been hard on them the past few years, but perhaps they're finally remembering their principles. Let's hope the Senate GOP follows their lead. The bill will likely pass anyway, but if it's a bill that no Republicans voted for, at least that'll be a little plus.


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If I had any Republican rep... (Below threshold)
tyree:

If I had any Republican representatives, I would would congratulate them. Perhaps I should just send my bills to my Democratic Representatives and ask for my cut.

It's too bad the Republican... (Below threshold)
MPR:

It's too bad the Republicans have to be threatened with extinction to wake up. Something about a two by four across the side of the head that gets your attention.
I want to see them do this more than once or twice before I can believe they won't bow down to Obamalala's social engineering.

I'm predicting that Rush Li... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

I'm predicting that Rush Limbaugh will spend a good deal of his show praising the House Republican leadership for the vote.

Good on 'em. Let the Dems ... (Below threshold)
apb:

Good on 'em. Let the Dems and the Pres own this one completely.

The pork and slop in this bill defies common sense; when the taxpayers discover how screwed they are for the little benefit received, let them direct their anger toward the promoters of this fraud.

I don't even know how moder... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I don't even know how moderate democrats could vote for this sham of a bill. Taking advantage of the economical crisis to load a bill full of pork. Really disrespecting the electorate in a time of crisis. ww

I can't say I'm happy with ... (Below threshold)
James H:

I can't say I'm happy with the GOP at all. First off, it would have been nice for the GOP to hold the line on spending for, oh, I don't know, the past eight years. Discovering your budget-balancing beliefs in the middle of a recession doesn't cut it.

Second, the GOP's taking a large risk here. If this bill works, they could have shared credit for it. Now, if the economy swings up, then the GOP doesn't get any credit. Nice gamesmanship there.

Third, I don't care for the attitude the House GOP displayed. "We'll have our way or no way, and we'll take our ball and go home!" Tells me the GOP's more concerned with petty politics than with governing. Could somebody please tell me why no bread is better than half a loaf?

That said, the House Democrats were monumentally stupid for not giving the Republicans a greater role in drafting the bill. Eventually, the Pelosi et. al. may need a favor from House GOP members, and this is no way to build a favor bank.

The Chosen One has to be pi... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The Chosen One has to be pissed with Pelosi. He wanted cover when his stimulus plan fails to produce results. Now if the senate Republicans will only take the same stand as those in the House. Couple more votes come down like that last one and His Holiness will probably want to talk to the DNC about replacing Reid and Pelosi.
Interesting the Obamassiah is already targeting some of the senate Republicans in their home states with TV commercials urging support for His Plan.

The stimulus bill is just a... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

The stimulus bill is just a sample of what's to come. In the first two years of the Obama administration we'll see far sweeping bills regulating everything from what cars you can buy to gun control on steroids to Al Gore's insane carbon cap schemes. Rather than use market forces for change, democrats will enact draconian laws that will trample civil rights on a scale never before seen in our history.

Nevertheless, the majority of the electorate votes their pocketbook. If the stimulus bill fails these draconian laws will soon sweep democrats from power. If the stimulus bill succeeds, then welcome to the USSR of America. That makes the choice a bit harder for many. Live free and poor or live well as a house slave.

This is only half the battl... (Below threshold)

This is only half the battle, and I agree with MPR that it's sad it took such an extreme situation and such an extreme bill to bring it out.

It's funny you should mention FDR. While you were correct in that his policies didn't help, he is still hailed by many as a great hero and given much more credit for getting us out of the depression than he deserves.

Simply being right isn't enough. Conservatives (still not ready to assume that that includes all Congressional Republicans) also have to continue to state their case in a compelling and understandable way to America.

We just assume that when this thing fails the blame will be laid on Obama and the Democrats. Why? When is the last time anyone in the MSM held any of them accountable for anything. If Republican leaders don't create that linkage, no one will, and on that front we have a couple of things working against us. 1. Ours is the harder case to make as it depends on thinking rationally and looking past the emotional appeal that Democrats rely on. And 2. these guys are terrible at communicating in a way that connects and convinces.

Unfortunately it won't hold... (Below threshold)

Unfortunately it won't hold in the Senate. You have to know the Collins and Snowe and Specter and most likely Voinovich and The Maverick and Grhamnesty will be suckups.

Colorado, I know what you a... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Colorado, I know what you are saying, but their seats are not solid at this time because they have strayed also. If McCain goes for it, then he will be revealed for the sham candidate. ww

WildWillie, you said McCain... (Below threshold)
Allen:

WildWillie, you said McCain will be revealed for the sham candidate. That was obvious to 53% of Americans in the election.

This stimulus bill should have had more tax cuts for the rich in it. Would the GOP have voted for it then? Or would they still complain?

Brian,I agree about ... (Below threshold)
Grace:

Brian,
I agree about the MSM. We conservatives are the ones who need to speak out - to friends, relatives and those who love Obama the man and the idea but do not think about the damage of the actual work he and the Democratic party are doing.
The biggest problem, however, is the "taxpayer" who has never paid taxes and is being bought and brought into the Democratic party. The party of "feelings" not thought - the ignorant and uninformed will be thrilled with the goodies this bill brings to them, because it is not costing them anything.

Tax breaks for the rich? Hm... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Tax breaks for the rich? Hmmmmm, oh yeah. Their the ones who own the businesses, do the hiring, make the payrolls, and "stimulate" the economy.

HOW DARE THEY!

Imagine the gaul of the repubs chosing the eeeviill rich over sodding the national mall, paying for STD work, 4 billion to ACORN, and 600M for "transision to universal healthcare".

I see your point Allen.

Grace/Brian: the MSM is doi... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Grace/Brian: the MSM is doing their best to give the GOP an audience of a far greater proportion than the '08 election suggests they deserve. Whatever obstacles your party might have, a too-compliant media is not one of them. This is nothing new: this pattern has held fast since the advent of cable news.

A good read:<a href=... (Below threshold)
maggie:
[Republicans] seemingly ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

[Republicans] seemingly tried as hard as they can to be Democrat-lite. They pay lip service to conservative principles, but bend over backwards to help Democrats get whatever they want. All a Democrat has to do to get one of our GOP weenies on their side was point a finger and say "PARTISAN!", and the GOP weenie will jump up and down to prove how "bipartisan" they are, even if it means selling out their principles. Democrats in Washington have no principles; Republicans have no spines.

I really had to laugh when I read this. Pure revisionist history. Replace "Republican" and "GOP" with "Democrat", "conservative" with "liberal", and "PARTISAN!" with "TERRORIST-LOVING!" and you'll have a more accurate picture of reality.

According to Hyper, the MED... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

According to Hyper, the MEDIA decides whether to grant us a greater audience then we deserve. How nice of them. ww

Grace/Brian: the M... (Below threshold)
Grace/Brian: the MSM is doing their best to give the GOP an audience of a far greater proportion than the '08 election suggests they deserve.

This is false. The graph hyper links to over at Yglesias' site purports to show that Republican *Members of Congress* outnumbered Democratic *Members of Congress*. But of course this does not take into account television appearances by members of the Obama Administration - who are 100% Democratic. After all, a show that had a Republican Congressman debating an Obama Administration official would appear on the chart to be solely Republican, when that is simply not the case.

A fairer chart would show the difference between Democrats in the executive or legislative branch vs. Republicans in the legislative branch (since there are no Republicans in the executive branch).

Most of this text was lifted from a comment over at Yglesias' site. I couldn't think of anything to add to it, it pretty much demolishes hyper's laughable assertion that the MSM is overly friendly to the GOP.

Brian"I really had t... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:

Brian
"I really had to laugh when I read this. Pure revisionist history"

Really, put down the crack pipe and step away as you are frying what few brain cells you started with.

Oregonmuse, did you really ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Oregonmuse, did you really think Hyper would be honest? ww

My brain is fine, thank you... (Below threshold)
Brian:

My brain is fine, thank you. Unlike yours, it's not in a perpetual state of explosion.

Oregonmuse, did you real... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Oregonmuse, did you really think Hyper would be honest? ww

Ha! Says the guy who's making his own "False Post of the Day" calendar.

Republicans are playing a p... (Below threshold)

Republicans are playing a politically dangerous role of painting themselves into a corner here. The economy went sour as a result of 8 years of Republican rule. Now they they buck this widespread recovery plan. If the economy strengthens as a result of this latest stimulus bill, Republicans will be further blamed by the voters for being out of touch with reality and suffer more political losses. Way to go Reps.

Being on the wrong side of reality or history never pays off.

Looks to me like Obama's pl... (Below threshold)
max:

Looks to me like Obama's playing chess while House Republicans play checkers.

http://diageohotlinepoll.com/documents/diageohotlinepoll/FDDiageoHotlinePoll_release_01.09.pdf

I hope their Senate counterparts do the same. Where do you think the poll numbers will go after a week of filibustering from Senate Republicans?

The economy went s... (Below threshold)
The economy went sour as a result of 8 years of Republican rule.

And of course the Democrats had nothing to do with anything and not one of them voted for any Republican proposal, right?

Now they they buck this widespread recovery plan.

If by "recovery plan" you mean "craptacular, pork-laden spending bill", you're right, and they're right to oppose it. Too bad they haven't been doing this for the past 8 years.

If the economy strengthens as a result of this latest stimulus bill,

Don't worry, it won't. Economic recovery comes from economic growth, not from the government spending tax money.

Also, Republicans are going to be blamed no matter what happens. I know idiot Democrats who are still blaming Ronald Reagan(!) for things they don't like. Expect more of the same.

Republicans will be further blamed by the voters for being out of touch with reality and suffer more political losses. Way to go Reps.

I think a more likely scenario is that Obama's spending binge will turn a shaky economy into a full-fledged catastrophe and after his "I won" remarks, his party is going to own the disaster lock, stock, and barrel. And all of Obama's political capital will be gone. Way to go, Dems.

Alright, OM, believe whatev... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Alright, OM, believe whatever the anti-thought-police on the right tell you, but it seems obvious that your television newsmedia is centre-right and your country isn't.

And anyway any attempt towards ideological balance is so stupid and contrary to the purpose of good journalism that demands for it ought to be 1) met with derision and scorn and 2) subsequently ignored.

Any Republican who voted ag... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Any Republican who voted against this monstrous "stimulus" bill, but who voted FOR the last monstrous "stimulus" bill, deserves no credit, and the message sent by this vote is anything but "powerful", to borrow Cassy's quote.
I'll allow "cagey", though "furtive" is probably the better adjective. The House Republicans would do well to change their leadership. Promote Cantor of Virginia from whip. Shadegg, Inhofe. Send Boehner to the Tiki Room at Matt Drudge's apartment complex where he can be himself.

Hello , Obama what was the ... (Below threshold)
mily:

Hello , Obama what was the first thing that make all this crazy problem The houses, where is your help for those people . Giving away money its not going to resolve anything .

Alright, OM, belie... (Below threshold)
Alright, OM, believe whatever the anti-thought-police on the right tell you, but it seems obvious that your television newsmedia is centre-right and your country isn't.

Yeah, I've read the MediaMatters/thinkprogress party line on media slant, and it's a fucking joke. The arguments depend on equating "corporations" with "right wing conservatism" (which is a laugh) and also that anything to the right of Fidel Castro is "conservative". I.e. so when they say the media is "center right" you have to add "...as compared to the Cuban media" in order for it to make sense.

And anyway any attempt towards ideological balance is so stupid and contrary to the purpose of good journalism

That depends on if you think journalism is to be about reporting the facts or becoming an advocate for the cause du jour. Unfortunately, I think what they teach in j-school is more of the latter.

hyper - "GOP an audienc... (Below threshold)
Marc:

hyper - "GOP an audience of a far greater proportion than the '08 election suggests they deserve. Whatever obstacles your party might have, a too-compliant media is not one of them"

WOW, who'd a thunk it!

The MSM bases news coverage on election results rather than what's news worthy or important to the American citizenry.

You somehow believe this poppycock hyper?

hyper - "Alright, OM, b... (Below threshold)
Marc:

hyper - "Alright, OM, believe whatever the anti-thought-police on the right tell you, but it seems obvious that your television newsmedia is centre-right and your country isn't."

Better check your own think[less] progress link in your previous comment. Even the craptacular study you cite shows Fox as the most balanced.

hyper continues (although I know not why) - "And anyway any attempt towards ideological balance is so stupid and contrary to the purpose of good journalism that demands for it ought to be 1) met with derision and scorn and 2) subsequently ignored."

Psst, hyper... here's the Journalist's Code of Ethics.

If you would be so kind as to go through it and point out which one of its eleven tenets support your assertion.

No, Marc. What I believe is... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

No, Marc. What I believe is that if one party is wrong at a fundamental level on the issue at hand, and furthermore their ideas have been rejected by a majority of voters, that it does not make sense to give them equal time with a microphone. Fox News never--ever--paid Democrats that courtesy and nobody ever expected them to; why would you expect CNN to give Boehner as much time criticizing the stimulus plan with vague ideological platitudues, as they give to a Democrat sponsor of the bill to explain it?

And as for "balance", OregonMuse, you're mistaken. Panels of "experts" often consist of one or zero liberals, a moderate Democrat, one or more Republicans, and beltway media types like David Brooks who you probably consider liberal but are to the right of mainstream opinion on most important issues (especially when it comes to defense and geopolitics). The "mainstream media" were complicit in the selling of the war in Iraq, and were completely uncritical when the public was on the fence (but leaning against invasion). If somebody only got their news from TV or editorial pages of the big broadsheets/news weeklies, they would have believed the war in Iraq to be 100% inevitable. It was a disgraceful dereliction of duty, a kow-towing to a neoconservative administration's agenda, and most certainly not "liberal". They have yet to learn from that, and continue to bias their reporting according to their own deeply flawed sense of the zeitgeist.

And even if you were correct, they love "moderate" Democrats and haven't got much time for liberals, regardless of the shift in political attitudes in the population over the past couple of decades.

bryanD - "Any Republica... (Below threshold)
Marc:

bryanD - "Any Republican who voted against this monstrous "stimulus" bill, but who voted FOR the last monstrous "stimulus" bill, deserves no credit, and the message sent by this vote is anything but "powerful", to borrow Cassy's quote."

So, the repubs have no right or reason to change their minds or reverse course on gov. spending?

Have I got that correct bryanD?

And I suppose you hold the same position on Barack Hussein Obama's flip-flop on allowing lobbyists into his administration?

Oh, wait. Nevermind, of course you do!!

This should not be a bipart... (Below threshold)
Laura:

This should not be a bipartisan issue at all! It's our livelihoods and lives! Take out healthcare and education spending (unless there's a minimum standard for teacher's salaries) and put it into INFRASTRUCTURE, including electrical grids and sewer systems. That's all we need! A few tweaks to tax breaks, but no tax stimulus checks. This solution has become too complicated. And how about penalizing banks for loaning to illegals (Bank of America) and companies that shipped all jobs overseas??? And finally, increase tariffs on all imported goods.

hyper - "No, Marc. What... (Below threshold)
Marc:

hyper - "No, Marc. What I believe is that if one party is wrong at a fundamental level on the issue at hand, and furthermore their ideas have been rejected by a majority of voters, that it does not make sense to give them equal time with a microphone."

What, nothing in the Code of Ethics to support your horseshit, misguided stance? SHOCKING (not)

The "mainstream me... (Below threshold)
The "mainstream media" were complicit in the selling of the war in Iraq,

I don't know about this, but the amount of uninhibited cocksucking the MSM did to insure Obama's election makes me think you've been chugging the MediaMatters kool-aid again.

Panels of "experts" often consist of one or zero liberals, a moderate Democrat, one or more Republicans, and beltway media types like David Brooks

I need to translate this into words that normal people can understand, by "zero liberals" you probably mean howling loons like Ramsey Clarke, Cynthia McKinney, or some Naderite clown, in which case, yeah, you're right, they don't get asked on to talking head shows much, I wonder why? "one or more Republicans" is also a joke, but you're right about them using mostly beltway conservatives like Brooks or Fred Barnes, but to think that Democrats are somehow "outnumbered" on these panels is a joke.

I really don't think America is as liberal as you think it is. The idiots at thinkprogress keep telling themselves this in order to hold up their belief that a progressive utopia is just around the corner if only they could just get a few more votes, but they're only deluding themselves.

laura - "and companies ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

laura - "and companies that shipped all jobs overseas??? And finally, increase tariffs on all imported goods."

Yeah, that's the ticket. Force companies to rehire/hire the Americans for those jobs as they "come back" to the states, at much higher pay rates and the obligatory higher prices to YOU the consumer. That'll work! (not)

And tarrifs, yeah lets do that also, as long as you apparently have no qualms about higher prices lets jack those import taxes thru the roof.

Republicans just don't get ... (Below threshold)
Jinny Lee:

Republicans just don't get it.....they continue their same disasterous manuevers year after year..My advice is either wake up or get out!

SOmetimes I think that us s... (Below threshold)
Becca:

SOmetimes I think that us so called common people have more up stairs than anyone in washington. Stimulus packages 1st should go to the ones who really need it! There is so much other stuff people are getting into but not what really counts.There are people out there that do not have a home to live in now nor money to buy enough food for their family. This stinks! There are no jobs for them to have either. Second then for the low income that was once middle class that has less work or wages because of the economy needs some of this stimulus money as well. The ones who have lost health care benefits needs health care. Then go from there. Do not bail out businesses any more make it for the people 1st. Where did this tax dollars come from any ways us people and the people out of jobs need the tax dollars back 1st!We are going to be a 3rd world country before too long! If you think I'm wrong then take a better look at what is going on around you right now!

P.S. hyper. If only because... (Below threshold)
Marc:

P.S. hyper. If only because I had trouble getting past your journalistic non-sense I missed this part.

"The "mainstream media" were complicit in the selling of the war in Iraq, and were completely uncritical when the public was on the fence (but leaning against invasion)."

O"n the fence you say?

Here's your "fence."

The CBS News/New York Times poll asked this question 14 times from February 2002 to March 2003. ("Do you approve or disapprove of the United States taking military actions against Iraq to try and remove Saddam Hussein from power?" [Percentage Saying Yes]) The percentage of respondents who said that they approved of U.S. military action fluctuated over this period from a high of 74 percent in February 2002 to a low of 64 percent in February 2003. The last time the question was asked, just before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, 66 percent of the respondents said that they approved of U.S. military actions against Iraq.
And now comes the obligatory, "they were lied into believing the impossible" from hyper.

jinny lee - "Republican... (Below threshold)
Marc:

jinny lee - "Republicans just don't get it.....they continue their same disasterous manuevers year after year..My advice is either wake up or get out!"

They have been excoriated by members of both parties for the last 8 years for over-spending and bloating the budget.

And YOU claim voting enmass on this monstrosity of pork is a "continue[nce of] their same disasterous [sic] manuevers [sic]?"

Hello... (knocking on jinny lee's head)... hello, is anyone in there?!

Meanwhile...This y... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Meanwhile...

This your brain, this is a Dem brain at work:

A top House Republican is demanding an investigation into whether the more than $2 billion for national parks in the House stimulus package is proper in light of the fact that the chief lobbyist for the National Parks Conservation Association is the son of House Appropriations Committee Chairman David R. Obey.
Obey's committee in the House porked up this appropriation to about $2.25 billion dollars - a 200 percent increase - and about equal to the National Park Service's total yearly budget already allocated.

Yes, the House Republicans ... (Below threshold)

Yes, the House Republicans are hypocrites for opposing this bailout when they would be all in favor if McCain had been elected and had proposed something similar, which we all know he would have. Or maybe they were hypocritical when they went along with Bush and his big spending ways.

Both are wrong and both violate conservative principles. A pox on them both.

But, the porktacular stimulus package is being opposed by the GOP, for whatever reason, and I will take what I can get.

I really don't think Ame... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I really don't think America is as liberal as you think it is.

Then here's a map you should take a look at.

Look yourself brian, specif... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Look yourself brian, specifically this para:

Republicans do have reason for hope. The map remains fluid. It's unclear how many of those Democratic leaners will stick with the party, making the transition into solid supporters. And the fact that the polls included unregistered adults makes them an unreliable indicator of potential Election Day results.

Hyper, your statement and d... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Hyper, your statement and defense of it is nothing short of nuts. I know you hate republicans and conservatives, but come on!

And to the person that thinks I "post" a fake thing everyday, well, the article is the post nitwit. This is the comment section.

You liberals have to have the basic stuff explained to you over and over. ww

I hope we can get a real St... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

I hope we can get a real Stimulus package.
One in which government gets out of the way.

In order for the banks to lend money there toxic assets need a value assigned to them.
We need government to encourage people to save money.
We need to encourage business to buy capital goods.
People need to be retrained to seek other carriers.
TARP part II Government eliminates FM/FM. The government creates the Toxic Home Loan group. They take all the toxic and set a prices level for them and creates 50 year bonds. At this point Banks no longer has to worry about the bad debt they had on hand.
Reduce Corporate Tax rates by 5% below the EU levels for 60 months.
Allow for acceleration deprecation for capital purchase made in the USA
Allow for slightly accelerated depreciation for overseas goods.
End of ethanol and other farm subsidies.
Creation of Dedicated accounts for SS.
Elimination of mandatory withdrawal for retirement accounts.
Elimination on taxes on saving accounts
Tax deductions for the first 20k spent on retraining.
State and local gas taxes and taxes collected from tolls can only be spent on state and local roads.
Federal program to build Nuclear power plants
Federal program to build more oil refineries
Repeal of environmental laws that restrict land use
Federal program to modernize government computer systems and ensure interoperability
Requirement that all state database must abide by a standard database scheme so that people cannot receive multiple benefits.
Elimination of duplicate government programs
All employers can hire union and non union workers. Every state should allow people to make choices on if they want to join and work for union. No one should be forced to join in order to work. Likewise if unions have too restrictive work rules employers can hire non union workers to fill those roles.

Some facts:1. UCo... (Below threshold)
boqueronman:

Some facts:

1. UConn poll showed journalists backed Kerry 2 to 1 in 2004.

2. Pew Research Center poll in 2004 showed 5 times more journalists self-identified as liberals than conservatives.

3. A 2005 survey conducted for the American Journalism Review found 2/3 of respondents disagreed with the statement, "the news media try to report the news without bias," and 42 percent disagreed strongly. Meanwhile, Gallup reports that 3 times more respondents to the irsurvey see the media as too liberal than too conservative.

4. Occasionally, and somewhat surprisingly, individual journalists have let the mask slip, admitting that the majority of journalists report from a liberal perspective (See Evan Thomas prediction of "support" for Kerry in the media leading to 15% bonus in votes.)

5. Finally, it's simply impossible to have passed through this election cycle and conclude that the media was equally tough on Obama-Biden and McCain-Palin. Or perhaps I missed the journalist who reported a tingle up his leg from the thought of a McCain candidacy.

These are reasonably reputable survey and study organizations. For those commenters who differ with these conclusions, please provide equally compelling counter surveys and studies (no, NOT AIM).

Now really, trolls, don't you see the larger societal benefit to a return to teaching journalism at university as a quest for objectivity rather than "speaking truth to power" (but only if it's the proper political party and/or philosophy)? Yes, everyone understands that is the equivalent of searching for the Holy Grail, but the search itself will produce worthy results.

And to the person that t... (Below threshold)
Brian:

And to the person that thinks I "post" a fake thing everyday, well, the article is the post nitwit. This is the comment section.
You liberals have to have the basic stuff explained to you over and over.

You mean like the definition of the verb "to post" with regard to a web page? (Hint: at the bottom of this very page, there's a box that says "Post a comment".)

How telling that you choose not to defend the veracity of your fake "comments", but instead to challenge (fakely, as well) my verb choice in calling you on them.

boqueronman - I was tempted... (Below threshold)
Marc:

boqueronman - I was tempted to pull the Pew Research Center study on that latest campaign that clearly displayed FoxNews was by far the most balanced and fiar in it's coverage, but why bother.

Some of these lefturds (and note I said lefturds not Dems, Progressives or Leftists) wouldn't accept the findings no matter what.

Reasoning with them is like pissing up a rope. You never reach the top and get wet in the process.

Wow! Brian, do you think I ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Wow! Brian, do you think I actually care what you think of me? You will have to try someone else. ww

Look yourself brian, spe... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Look yourself brian, specifically this para:

Yeah, saw that. So? Things may change in the future, and votes depend on turnout? Well, duh. That doesn't negate the analysis that the country today is dramatically liberal. So whoever says, "I really don't think America is as liberal as you think it is" is not paying attention. If you think you can change that, go for it.

Wow! Brian, do you think... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Wow! Brian, do you think I actually care what you think of me?

I don't have to "think" it. You've clearly demonstrated it. And you just did it again.

Another thing you've demonstrated that you don't care about is the truth. As Wizbang is fond of claiming, your response just shows that I really must have hit the nail right on the head
depp=true
notiz=Broadbrushing will get you every time..

Ref#48. You should also hav... (Below threshold)
Allen:

Ref#48. You should also have included that the American Bar Assoc. is eliminated. That also is a union, except they pass it off as a professional association. No one can practice law unless you belong to it and pay your yearly dues.

Also eliminate both the GOP and Democratic parties. Outlaw all lobbyists. I'm sure the list could go on and on.

brian - "Yeah, saw that... (Below threshold)
Marc:

brian - "Yeah, saw that. So? Things may change in the future, and votes depend on turnout? Well, duh."

You may or may not have read it, but one thing is sure... the fact it plainly states the entire thing is questionable and an "unreliable indicator" because of the inclusion of "unregistered adults" in the poll.

Put another way for the simple minded, which also may or may not include you, a number of the dimbulbs they polled didn't care enough to register to vote.

And in even simpler terms, your proof is spectacularly craptastic.

"So, the repubs have no rig... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"So, the repubs have no right or reason to change their minds or reverse course on gov. spending?
Have I got that correct bryanD?"-marc

For the most part, the changed minds are like thieves who get 2 to 8 years in prison, so they go to church while they're in, to keep up appearances to wrangle a 2 out of the parole board.
The real test will come on some future not-so-easy, far more controversial vote. And isn't that the point, anyway: the GOP leadership flubbed the easy vote the first time and the caucus trundled right after, into the ditch of broken talking points.

"And I suppose you hold the same position on Barack Hussein Obama's flip-flop on allowing lobbyists into his administration?"-marc

Nope. Raytheon Man is proof of George Wallace's maxim about not needing a whole dime to pay the difference.

Allen,I don't want ... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Allen,
I don't want to eliminate unions just allow people and employers choice with out the federal or state government force.

Lobbies and PACS are fine as long as we have full disclosure. When I was in the Navy and for few years afterwards I belonged to the NCOA which lobbied for military interest, there are many bills that go through congress and at time it only through PACs that that information comes out.

Simplification of the tax code would and elimination of pork would do more for honest government that removal of lobbyist.

the fact it plainly stat... (Below threshold)
Brian:

the fact it plainly states the entire thing is questionable and an "unreliable indicator"

An unreliable indicator "of potential Election Day results", asshat. Not of the mood of the country. Put another way, the only thing that's spectacularly craptastic is your reading comprehension.

What does it matter if Repu... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

What does it matter if Republicans only act like Republicans when they have no power to influence the outcome.

And once they get power again, enough will act like Democrats again to effectively let the Democrats keep substantial power like they had during Bush.

'Yay, they asserted the brand!'

The republicans are finally... (Below threshold)

The republicans are finally waking up.
http://www.rightklik.net/

And once they get power ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

And once they get power again, enough will act like Democrats again

When are you going to realize, they're not acting like Democrats when they do that... they ARE acting like Republicans. What you really want is for them to act like conservatives. But they haven't done that for a really long time.

Marc: are you so stupid as ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Marc: are you so stupid as to conflate the removal of Saddam Hussein from power with a prolonged occupation of the guy's country? Tell me you aren't seriously that stupid. Tell me I haven't been wasting minutes of my life actually reading your comments on this blog.

Broadbrushing will get y... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Broadbrushing will get you every time..

Maggie, you've really jumped the shark. There was no "broadbrushing" in that comment. Not that it actually matters, since a) "broadbrushing" from the right never gets a glance from you, and b) in any case "broadbrushing" is not, as far as I'm aware, a violation of Wizbang's TOS. What will "get me every time" is your infatuation with me, and your eagerness to obfuscate my comments with the weakest justification. If you want Kevin to ban me, you're welcome to take it up with him and make a case for it. He seems like a reasonable chap, so I'm not too concerned. Absent that, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect you to exhibit at least a hint of objectivity in your targeting.

Now then.Wow! B... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Now then.

Wow! Brian, do you think I actually care what you think of me?

I don't have to "think" it. You've clearly demonstrated it. And you just did it again.

Another thing you've demonstrated that you don't care about is the truth. As is often claimed on here, your response just shows that I really must have hit the nail right on the head.

Thanks for doing the right ... (Below threshold)
JohnnyBee:

Thanks for doing the right thing Republicans. If there is anymore bailout money of any amount/kind it should go to 1. (50%) Tax paying Americans who PAID taxes, NOT those who did not pay taxes. 2. (50%) States strictly to clean ditches, culverts, roads/streets, and improve drainage!!!! The pay back of any and all bailout money should come from 1. Making congressmen and cabenit members pay their taxes like other Americans. 2. Cut back on the pay and benifits for congressmen, cabinit members, and top appointed government managers. This automatic pay raise for congressmen need to be stopped. Any pay raises and benifits should be voted on by the American People. FREE give aways like SSI, Medicaid, tax refunds for not paying taxes, etc MUST stop!!!!!!!!!

No doubt those who did not ... (Below threshold)
Don MacArthur:

No doubt those who did not favour the package will refuse to have any of the money spent in their districts.

what? it didn't include bil... (Below threshold)
forrest kimbrough:

what? it didn't include billions of dollars to iraq and would help the middle class ..no wonder the repubs didn't vote for it

Wow! What can I say. We con... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Wow! What can I say. We conservative do not need to think anymore. All we have to do is read Brian's comments and follow them to the letter. Dissent is not good when it comes from a conservative perspective. It is called fake, or not truthful and other Goebbel kind of terms.

Here is the truth. Liberals do not like the free market system. Liberals do not like the military at all. The liberals have no core belief system or sense of self. Liberals have no tolerance for anyone that does not agree with them. Liberals like to deminish and make up rude names of people they do not like. That is just a parcial truthful list. Where am I wrong Brian? ww

hyper - "Marc: are you ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

hyper - "Marc: are you so stupid as to conflate the removal of Saddam Hussein from power with a prolonged occupation of the guy's country? Tell me you aren't seriously that stupid. Tell me I haven't been wasting minutes of my life actually reading your comments on this blog."

Huh? Are you posting on the wrong thread or gone off the deep end and imagining something not here.

The one and only ref to Iraq as it relates to you is your statement, RE

"The "mainstream media" were complicit in the selling of the war in Iraq, and were completely uncritical when the public was on the fence (but leaning against invasion)."
I proved without a shadow of doubt you were, and are still, wrong via the public opinion polls at the time.

Tell me I, and the rest of us, haven't been wasting minutes of our lives actually reading your comments on this blog?

Brian,Your record of... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Brian,
Your record of disrespect of this website,
and the editors is long.
If you don't like the way I run the comments
section of Wizbang, you take it up with
Kevin.

If you call disemvowelment jumping the shark,that's your opinion.
You can always go over to Wizbang Blue, or you
can MoveOn.




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