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Here is another disturbing story that ended up buried in last week's stimulus debate and failed to make the national news cycle. Like the Chicago public school abuse case that preceded it, I guess we should also file this one under "doesn't fit the narrative."

Five years ago, Muzzammil Hassan and his wife Aasiya, Muslim immigrants from Pakistan, started a broadcast network called Bridges TV. Its mission was to promote diversity and understanding between different religions and cultures (i.e. stop negative stereotyping of Muslims in post-9/11 America). The launch of the network, reports Mark Steyn, was covered in such topically and geographically diverse outlets as The Columbus Dispatch, The Detroit Free Press, The San Jose Mercury News, Variety, NBC News, Voice of America and The Canadian Press.

Last week, Aasiya Hassan was found dead in the Bridges TV studios. She had been beheaded. Although reported on local TV, and in the New York Post and Newsday, the story failed to garner any national media attention outside of New York state.

The only suspect in the case is Mr. Hassan, who reported her death to local police and turned himself in last Thursday. The local news reports blame the killing on divorce proceedings filed by Mrs. Hassan, and on financial troubles at the TV network. But why beheading? Oops - sorry, we can't go there.

Mark Steyn:

Look at the late Aasiya Hassan, beautifully coiffed, glossy-lipped. On countless occasions since 9/11, I've found myself at lunch or dinner in New York, London, Washington, Paris or some other western city, sitting next to a modern Muslim woman like Mrs Hassan telling me how horrified she is at how hijabs and burqas, honor killings and genital mutilation, forced cousin marriages and the disproportionate number of Muslim wives in European battered women's shelters, how all these have come to define Muslim womanhood in the 21st century. Yet Aasiya Hassan ended up no differently - all because her husband's TV network had a cashflow problem?

The media's lack of curiosity is in marked contrast to their willingness to propagandize for the launch of Mr Hassan's station. It also helps explain why the US newspaper business is dying.

Tim Blair has much more, including a nice link roundup.


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Those stereotypes are so in... (Below threshold)

Those stereotypes are so inaccurate, so unfair.
http://www.rightklik.net/

the story failed to garn... (Below threshold)

the story failed to garner any national media attention outside of New York state.

Actually, I can't even find many mentions in the state, not in the New York Times or any of the Albany area dailies (checked 5 of them). I did a media search earlier today for a post of my own and turned up a goose egg. Outside of the Buffalo area, the fact that he's a muslim seems to be trumping what would otherwise be irresistable story lines for the press:

1) history of domestic violence culminates in murder

2) guy kills wife day before Valentine's Day

3) killing is gruesome (if it bleeds, it leads)

4) man is a prominent businessman (state level-wise)

5) guy works in media (other stories about media workers have rated full stories in the local papers for such minor incidents as being caught with drugs or drunk driving)

This story about a potentia... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

This story about a potential terrorist hasn't received much attention either:

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/11/slain-neo-nazi-angry-over-obama-victory-reportedly-prepared-dirty-bomb-components/

And then there's this story about an actual terrorist that hasn't received much attention either:

http://cbs5.com/national/knoxville.tennessee.shooting.2.781332.html


People's heads fall off all... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

People's heads fall off all the time - no story here!

Can't get to the links. I g... (Below threshold)
MPR:

Can't get to the links. I guess the "Fairness Doctrine" has come to the internet already.

The Christian mindset is st... (Below threshold)
tyree:

The Christian mindset is structured on the protection of women. Islam? Not so much.

(The preceded is a short summation of a very complex historical record. The author understands that it does not apply to every individual who ever lived but is making a general statement of obvious validity. - just in case the Democrat Fairness Doctrine people are watching)

Perhaps he was just trying ... (Below threshold)
SillyPuddy:

Perhaps he was just trying to qualify for Obama's cabinet.

How awful! What a beautifu... (Below threshold)
Tammy:

How awful! What a beautiful woman she was. Yeah, he really helped change people's minds to Islam being a peaceful religion with that, didn't he? Hope he rots in the graybar hotel. If they give him the death penalty (which normall I'm for), he'll just consider himself a martyr.

I don't remember Islamic be... (Below threshold)

I don't remember Islamic beheadings occuring in the US when Bush was president.

This is not the Moslem behe... (Below threshold)
barak obama:

This is not the Moslem beheading/honor killing I thought I knew.

Tyree:Paul and St Au... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Tyree:
Paul and St Augustine might disagree with you.

Who does this surprise?... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Who does this surprise?

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all)." ~Quran, 4:34

A Pakistan Muslim Imam wrote a book called, "Tufat-ul-Nisa" ("Gift to Women") teaches that a husband should physically beat his wife just as the Koran says.

In Spain, an Islamic leader named, Muhammad Kamal Mustafa, who functions as an Imam for a mosque and is viewed as a scholar, wrote a book called, "Women in Islam", which openly instructs how a man should beat his wife. The BBC reports that Muhammad Kamal Mustafa "recommends verbal correction followed by a period of sexual abstinence as the best punishment for a wife, but does not rule out a beating as long as it is kept within strict guidelines... to avoid serious damage, a husband should never hit his wife in a state of extreme or blind anger. He should never hit sensitive parts of the body such as the face, head, breasts or stomach. He should only hit the hands or feet using a rod that is thin and light so that it does not leave scars or bruises on the body. The husband's aim, the writer said, should be to cause psychological suffering and not to humiliate or physically abuse his wife ('Spanish Women's Fury at Islamic Advice', BBC, 24, July 2000).

Bruce Henry,No the... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Bruce Henry,

No they wouldn't.

Paul and St August... (Below threshold)
Paul and St Augustine might disagree with you.

Uh, actually, they wouldn't. There is a reason why Christianity acquired a reputation early on for being a "women's religion."

the story failed to garn... (Below threshold)
mantis:

the story failed to garner any national media attention outside of New York state.

More bullshit. Guess how long these took me to find?

Associated Press (which was of course picked up by many local papers) (2/15)

United Press International (ditto above) (2/15)

NBC/MSNBC (2/13)

FOX News (2/16)

It's also made papers in Canada, the UK, and Denmark so far.

You really are this stupid, aren't you? It can't possibly be an act.

I met Muzzammil personally ... (Below threshold)

I met Muzzammil personally about 10 years ago. He used to live in Fairfield, CT. His first marriage ended because of his abnormal behaviour. He should have let his wife get freedom from him peacefully. We don't know the circumstances in which he killed his 2nd wife? It seems like he is the only suspect, but we can not accuse him 100%, till it is proved. Whoever killed that young lady, it has shocked the whole Muslim Community in America and can not be forgotten easily. But in the meantime, We can not blame anyone's religion for such a behaviour. Only the mentally sick and disturbed people will do something like that. Prophet of Islam peace be upon Him says clearly, that the best Muslim is the one who treats his wife in the best manner. Antone who does not follow the commands of Almighty God and His Prophets are not true Muslims. I'm worried about the older parents and young children of both of them!May God help them to live a peaceful life after this horrible tragedy.

Well ... it's mantis vs. Fa... (Below threshold)

Well ... it's mantis vs. Falze, apparently.

Its WB Knockdown SemiFinals... (Below threshold)
epador:

Its WB Knockdown SemiFinals, Michael. I gotta get me another beer and a frank.

Well ... it's mantis vs.... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Well ... it's mantis vs. Falze, apparently.

Falze fell down at the starting line. What's your excuse for not being able to use a search engine?

So Mantis, you're saying th... (Below threshold)
John S:

So Mantis, you're saying that this is getting the same 24-7 wall-to-wall coverage as --say-- the Laci Peterson murder case? You really are this stupid, aren't you? It can't possibly be an act.

So Mantis, you're saying... (Below threshold)
mantis:

So Mantis, you're saying that this is getting the same 24-7 wall-to-wall coverage as --say-- the Laci Peterson murder case?

No, I'm not saying that, which you can easily tell by reading what I wrote.

You didn't have to respond, but thanks for doing so and removing all doubt.

Ummm...mantis, learn to rea... (Below threshold)

Ummm...mantis, learn to read. I explicitly noted that I checked local sources. I wasn't researching Michael's point, but a narrower focus to New York State. Need me to draw you a picture so you can understand? Oh, and your comment about "which was of course picked up by many local papers" appears to be pure BS from what I can find. You want specifics? The story has not been mentioned in:

The New York Times
The Schenectady Daily Gazette
The Saratogian
The Albany Times Union
The Troy Record

What a friggin' shock that mantis misportrays someone's statement to make a bogus point. Oh. I am so very shocked. See how shocked I am. And go look up 'hyperbole' before you go after a poster for their use of 'none' for 'shamefully few'.

Expanding the search just for you, through today there is also no mention of the story that I can find in (for starters):

Arizona Republic, The
Boston Globe, The
Charlotte Observer
Chicago Tribune
Chicago Tribune RedEye Edition
Dallas Morning News, The
Denver Post, The
Detroit Free Press
Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Kansas City Star, The
Los Angeles Times: LATWP News Service
Miami Herald, The
Philadelphia Inquirer, The
San Francisco Chronicle
San Jose Mercury News
Seattle Times, The; or
Washington Post, The

but you're right mantis, it's everywhere.

Antone who does no... (Below threshold)
Antone who does not follow the commands of Almighty God and His Prophets are not true Muslims. I'm worried about the older parents and young children of both of them!

Yeah? Well, I'm worried about the fact that you Muslims have let nests of vipers (of which Muzzammil is a prime representative) live and breed undisturbed in your communities, with your full knowledge, for decades, and you jackholes haven't done dick about it; either to suppress them, or expel them, or speak out against them, and it is only in the last few years that have I heard even the weakest disavowals of them. I fear you are too weak, and they will overwhelm you.

That's what I worry about.

"Falze fell down at the ... (Below threshold)

"Falze fell down at the starting line. What's your excuse for not being able to use a search engine?"

The point is, mantis, that having to use a search engine to find this story reported on somewhere by the MSM is a big problem.

Now for the off topic question. I thought you were leaving with Jay Tea? Did you miss us? ;-)

I do recommend the use of s... (Below threshold)

I do recommend the use of search engines though - a fairly broad search using "hassan new york" (using his name should surely bring hits, right?) at yahoo news gets you two hits on the story in the first 4 (#2 and #4). One is from Fox News and the other is "Pakistani Newspaper". The other two of the top 4 hits including #1? "Shoulder pads bring '80s style to New York Fashion Week" and "Designers bring back 80's style shoulder pads at Fashion Week".

Everywhere I tell you. The sources of the rest of the top page of stories that actually are about this case? "New Karala" - twice.

Ummm...mantis, learn to ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Ummm...mantis, learn to read. I explicitly noted that I checked local sources.

Who cares? I wasn't responding to you (notice how I quoted Michael, not you? That's your first clue). But since you bring it up, so far its been covered in Newsday, NYPost, by all the Buffalo television network affiliates, and the Albany Times-Union ran the AP story last Friday (yep, shocking, you missed it). Why is that not enough local news coverage for your tastes?

You want specifics? The story has not been mentioned in:

Well, the first one I checked, the Times-Union, ran the story on Friday. Oops. Should I bother to check the others? Why waste any more time on people too stupid to use a search engine (or who lie about it)?

What a friggin' shock that mantis misportrays someone's statement to make a bogus point. Oh. I am so very shocked. See how shocked I am.

You ought to be more shocked at your own inability to read. Once again, I was responding to Michael.

but you're right mantis, it's everywhere.

Please point out where I said it's everywhere.

The point is, mantis, th... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The point is, mantis, that having to use a search engine to find this story reported on somewhere by the MSM is a big problem.

I didn't need a search engine to hear about it; I first saw it on the AP. The fact that these guys can't even find it on a search engine shows they either don't know how to use one or they're lying.

Now for the off topic question. I thought you were leaving with Jay Tea? Did you miss us? ;-)

I made the mistake of stopping back by a couple of weeks ago and was kind of appalled at how far the quality of wingnuttery had fallen around here.

Here Falze, <a href="http:/... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Here Falze, try this. Wow, on that search I found links to The Journal News, WGRZ, WKBW, The Post-Standard, The Buffalo News, and the New York Post. All New York news outlets.

Of course, Google has even more. Skip to the oldest stuff to get most of the local coverage.

"I didn't need a search ... (Below threshold)

"I didn't need a search engine to hear about it; I first saw it on the AP."

I first saw it at a blog. I haven't seen nor heard about it anywhere in the MSM without having to try and use a search engine. I think that's abominable.

Tom, the "it didn't hit me ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Tom, the "it didn't hit me in the face so it doesn't exist" excuse is pretty tired. You actually have to read (or watch, if you're working on a minimum number of brain cells) the news in order to hear what's happening. Sorry if the AP, UPI, FOX News, and MSNBC coverage doesn't cut it for you, but not every story can be Michael Phelps with a bong!

"Tom, the "it didn't hit... (Below threshold)

"Tom, the "it didn't hit me in the face so it doesn't exist" excuse is pretty tired."

Funny, I didn't use that argument. I didn't say it didn't exist, I didn't say I didn't hear about it. I said I had to use a search engine to find anything about it in the MSM, and I said that was abominable.

This should be bigger than Michael Phelps with a bong story, but it isn't, and that's the point.

You can try to ignore that point, change the subject, and insult people all you want to, but it doesn't change the fact that the MSM is largely giving this story a big, giant yawn.

I'm sorry if you don't like it, but it's true.

I didn't say it didn't e... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I didn't say it didn't exist, I didn't say I didn't hear about it. I said I had to use a search engine to find anything about it in the MSM, and I said that was abominable.

Others can't be blamed because you don't pay attention.

This should be bigger than Michael Phelps with a bong story, but it isn't, and that's the point.

True, but only because Michael Phelps with a bong shouldn't be a news story at all.

You can try to ignore that point, change the subject, and insult people all you want to, but it doesn't change the fact that the MSM is largely giving this story a big, giant yawn.

All evidence to the contrary, I guess. Listen, just because you guys believe you're involved in a holy war against all Muslims doesn't mean the rest of the country does, and it certainly doesn't mean that a single upstate New York murder should lead the national news on every station and every front page, which is apparently what it would take for you to find it covered enough.

You probably know from reading my comments over time that I'm not a big fan of organized religion, by and large, and treatment of women in Islam one of the biggest and worst examples of why. I think it's an important story (and not just for the irony), but it's not exactly news that effects everyone in the country. There are about 45 murders every day in this country. Why is this one so important?

"Others can't be blamed ... (Below threshold)

"Others can't be blamed because you don't pay attention."

Now you're just arguing for the sake of argument. Again, I never claimed I didn't hear about the story, nor did I claim it wasn't ever reported by the MSM, but whatever. It's too convenient for you to ignore that.

"All evidence to the contrary, I guess."

Yeah, all that evidence I had to use a search engine to find. Super job, MSM!

"Listen, just because you guys believe you're involved in a holy war against all Muslims doesn't mean the rest of the country does..."

What holy war? You must know something I don't. Oh...wait...you must be referring to the holy war Al Qaeda is fighting against all infidels. Right? Because I know Christians haven't declared a "holy war" against anyone.

"There are about 45 murders every day in this country. Why is this one so important?"

Oh, I don't know. Just that it's a common pattern with Islam and beheadings, I guess. And you seem to agree with me:

"You probably know from reading my comments over time that I'm not a big fan of organized religion, by and large, and treatment of women in Islam one of the biggest and worst examples of why."

Again, this is exactly why it should be plastered everywhere, as much as the child molestations by Catholic priests should be, at the very least. (I'm Catholic, just so everyone knows I'm not piling on.) Keep burying your head in the sand in spite of the obvious, though.

Whatever, mantis. You're convinced it's not worthy of being big national news and it's been reported on enough. I disagree. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that, because I'm not interested in arguing the same point over and over again.

mantis - "There are abo... (Below threshold)
Marc:

mantis - "There are about 45 murders every day in this country. Why is this one so important?"

Show me one of those 45 a day that used beheading as the vehicle of death.

Aside from that, you can also show us the people that think we are "involved in a holy war against all Muslims."

With the exception of a few kooks there aren't any.

Barbaric.... (Below threshold)
Polly:

Barbaric.

*sigh* God you're pathetic,... (Below threshold)

*sigh* God you're pathetic, mantis. Never more so than when you're having your rear end handed to you and you get all whiny and defensive. Because I have a few minutes, I'll go slow and respond to all your nonsense so you see how it's done:

"Who cares? I wasn't responding to you" Um, but you attacked me by name. Remember that? Remember? Comment 19. Remember that one? 19?

"But since you bring it up, so far its been covered in Newsday, NYPost, by all the Buffalo television network affiliates" Newsday and the Post are practically tabloids and their readership is laughable compared to the Times. Heck, the Post IS a tabloid. "Beheaded wife" is right up their alley. The Post even has a 'humorous' title for their story. And since it happened just outside Buffalo, it's hardly surprising it would appear there...you do know where Orchard Park is, right? In fact, a Buffalo paper is where I first found it. Are you surprised when you find YOUR socks in YOUR drawer? Does that mean your socks are all over the place?

"the Albany Times-Union ran the AP story last Friday (yep, shocking, you missed it). Why is that not enough local news coverage for your tastes?" You are SO far out of your league, bub. The Times Union carries AP feeds ON THEIR WEBSITE. The story you link to is one such story. It did NOT appear in the newspaper. Nice try, though, dearie. Really. No, really. You really seem to be trying. Failing miserably, but trying.

"Well, the first one I checked, the Times-Union, ran the story on Friday. Oops. Should I bother to check the others?" Sure, go for it, since you bombed completely on this one because you don't know what the hell you're talking about and don't know the difference between a web site and a newspaper.

"You ought to be more shocked at your own inability to read. Once again, I was responding to Michael." Ah, but comment 19, my dear...comment 19. I believe anyone with a room temperature IQ can see that you were remarking on MY comment #2. Perhaps you need to get out of the refrigerator to get that high? Nice try though, trying to pretend comment #19 was only about what Michael had to say. Perhaps Michael is using the moniker 'falze' now? No?

"Please point out where I said it's everywhere" Don't take mockery very well, do you? No response but to get all defensive and pretend you didn't imply that in comment #15 because you didn't say those exact words? Maybe you should re-read what you said in #15. Sure sounds like you're implying it's widespread there..."Denmark"? Oh my, yes. Quibble away, though, we like seeing you squirm.

"The fact that these guys can't even find it on a search engine shows they either don't know how to use one or they're lying." No, no, dear, the point is that you got your fanny handed to you because you completely missed the point of the post and decided to be all kewl and pretend that because the story exists, that means that it is widespread and getting a typical amount of play for an 'abusive husband beheads wife' story. No one said they COULDN'T find it...in fact all Michael ACTUALLY said was that it got buried by a bigger story and that it "failed to make the national news cycle"...a far cry indeed from "I defy anyone to find where this story appeared anywhere on the planet!" Nice try, though.

"Here Falze, try this. Wow, on that search I found links to The Journal News, WGRZ, WKBW, The Post-Standard, The Buffalo News, and the New York Post. All New York news outlets." Ummm...yes...so? I'm sorry, were you trying to tell me that these represent "the national news cycle" or are capital region newspapers? Oh, dear. I think you'll find that it was YOU that said that "most" local sources would pick this us through wire services. Alas, I merely said that none of the sources locally picked it up. I think probably quite a few locals picked it up nationwide, to be honest. If you'd like to compare their readership with the major papers I searched, or explain how they affect the fact that the entire NY capital region was shut out, feel free. It should be an interesting argument.

Very entertaining...for a few moments. But, well, when you try to convince me that something was in a paper that I have sitting on my coffee table at this very moment because you saw it on their website and don't know enough about the paper to know how to check what was actually IN that paper and not just on the AP feed on their site, well, that's not good.

I greatly appreciate the va... (Below threshold)
MichaelC:

I greatly appreciate the valiant attempts to explain relative news reportage to Mantis along with why certain events are important and others, not so much. I did, however, realize the futility of your effort when I first say his name appended to a post.

And, sadly, my initial sense of the matter was borne out, despite a number of very reasonable efforts to communicate. Some are only here to argue, shout, thump their chests, and sneer at others. There is simply no instructing them.

"saw" his name appended. Oo... (Below threshold)
MichaelC:

"saw" his name appended. Oops.

michael: instruct? no. re... (Below threshold)

michael: instruct? no. reason with? no. mock? oh yeah.

Um, but you attacked me ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Um, but you attacked me by name. Remember that? Remember? Comment 19. Remember that one? 19?

Sure, but no where in that comment did I say you were looking for national news coverage. But your response to me was:

Ummm...mantis, learn to read. I explicitly noted that I checked local sources.

Remember that? Comment 22. Remember? Moron.

Newsday and the Post are practically tabloids and their readership is laughable compared to the Times. Heck, the Post IS a tabloid. "Beheaded wife" is right up their alley. The Post even has a 'humorous' title for their story. And since it happened just outside Buffalo, it's hardly surprising it would appear there...you do know where Orchard Park is, right? In fact, a Buffalo paper is where I first found it. Are you surprised when you find YOUR socks in YOUR drawer? Does that mean your socks are all over the place?

So it was covered by a lot of New York news outlets, but they don't count, because, um, der, (trails off). Got it.

The Times Union carries AP feeds ON THEIR WEBSITE. The story you link to is one such story. It did NOT appear in the newspaper.

Maybe so, but I'm not going to spend the time finding a print copy of the Times Union here in Chicago. Website's what I have to go on.

Ah, but comment 19, my dear

I said you fell down at the starting line, in that you somehow managed to miss all the coverage it was easy for me to find (but now you admit you didn't miss it, it just doesn't count, for some reason). I never said you were looking for national coverage. I can't believe I'm having an argument with someone this stupid.

Maybe you should re-read what you said in #15.

Ok, re-read it. Still can't find where I said, or implied, that it's "everywhere". Unless, of course, you consider Denmark to be everywhere. I don't.

in fact all Michael ACTUALLY said was that it got buried by a bigger story and that it "failed to make the national news cycle"...a far cry indeed from "I defy anyone to find where this story appeared anywhere on the planet!

It did make national news, last week, as I pointed out, by two of the biggest wire services and two major cable news outlets (and there's more since). I didn't miss the point. I refuted Michael's exact point.

Oh, dear. I think you'll find that it was YOU that said that "most" local sources would pick this us through wire services

If you're going to put something in quotes, it should be a quote, moron. I said many local papers (as in small papers around the country, dipshit) would carry the wire story. And they did. You really like showing how stupid you are, don't you?

Alas, I merely said that none of the sources locally picked it up.

Incorrectly.

explain how they affect the fact that the entire NY capital region was shut out

It wasn't. Gee, that was easy.

Michael, you got nothing to... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Michael, you got nothing to say? Maybe this will help:

CNN: Founder of Islamic TV station accused of beheading wife

AFP: Islamic TV founder charged with beheading wife: reports

Reuters: U.S. TV network founder charged with beheading wife

I'm sure all the national coverage I've pointed out has made you rethink your conclusions. And pigs fly.

We are deeply saddened and ... (Below threshold)
Fabbi:

We are deeply saddened and outraged by this brutal premeditated murder. Hopefully we can keep this horrible crime against women from occurring again. We are a group of friends that know and worked with a young woman named Joy Loftin while she was employed at the Vanderbilt YMCA here in New York City. During the length of her employment, several extremely disturbing incidents occurred that cause us to be concerned and call into question the motives and the integrity of Shan Colorado Finnerty, Hortensia Colorado, and Elvira Colorado.

On several occasions, Joy came to work with visible bruises on her neck and arms. She eventually explained to us that Shan had punched, beaten, and choked her and she asked us for help. As wardens for the community, we tried to place Joy in women's shelters around the city in an effort to mitigate the abuse. However, at the urging of Shan's mother and aunt, Hortensia and Elvira, she returned to their apartment and refused to press criminal charges against Shan Colorado Finnerty. The abuse continued and one day, she came to work very early, visibly distressed and crying, with more bruises and abrasions. She said that Shan had verbally abused and beaten her once again; that she wanted to return to California, and that she was going to quit her job and reunite with her family. She tendered her resignation later that week. Out of concern for her safety and in an effort to find out what happened to her, we requested an officer from the domestic violence unit of the 5th Precinct conduct a welfare check at their home on Kenmare Street. However the officer was unable to find anyone at the apartment, and therefore could not verify that Joy was safe. We realize that she is suffering from battered women's syndrome and may be unable to help herself due to the isolationist environment that the Colorados have formed around her. Abusive men are often enabled by their family, while the victim is persuaded to believe the abuse is her fault, and the pattern of emotional and physical trauma continues. Taking into consideration what has happened to Joy Loftin, it is especially deceitful that their display "Altar: El Llanto De La Resistancia" at the American Indian Community House was in part dedicated to victims of domestic violence.

In light of these events, we are dismayed, disappointed, and outraged to know that members of the American Indian Community would commit, condone, and perpetuate domestic abuse and violence, while simultaneously conducting workshops, writing and performing plays, and displaying works and art that would have the public and those who support them believe otherwise. It is a vulgar and offensive misrepresentation of American Indian Culture, and further support of Coatlicue Theater, Hortensia Colorado, Elvira Colorado, Shan Colorado Finnerty and their work is tantamount to supporting domestic abuse and violence. Considering their duplicitous behavior, having them represent American Indian Culture is an insult to the dignity of American Indians and an affront to human beings.

We therefore will not attend nor support any Coatlicue Theater productions or events where they will be featured. We will be encouraging others that might consider attending, participating, or funding them to do the same. Our actions are warranted, and to be associated with the aforementioned individuals and Coatlicue Theater would be equivalent to enabling and contributing to such offensive behaviour. We are urging everyone to reevaluate their support of Coatlicue Theatre and the Colorados, and question the individuals concerned. Until the responsible individuals are held accountable and measures are taken to verify that the abuse is no longer occurring, we will continue with our boycott of Coatlicue Theatre and we will strongly urge others to do the same.

Oh for crying out loud. fi... (Below threshold)

Oh for crying out loud. fine, troll, I'll put on my boot...bend over:

"Sure, but no where in that comment did I say you were looking for national news coverage"

You made the comment following your assertion that the coverage was national, thereby involving me in that debate when I had explicitly removed myself from it. Therefore you just lied. Bad way to argue.

"Remember that? Comment 22. Remember? Moron."

Let me get this straight...you're now attacking me because I said something AFTER what I said that you originally failed to comprehend. I first said I looked at local sources, you attacked me because you incorrectly comprehended what I said, and I called you on it. Then I looked at national sources - AFTER - and you're using what I said about my INITIAL statement? How effing twisted is that? And dishonest.

"So it was covered by a lot of New York news outlets, but they don't count, because, um, der, (trails off). Got it."

Non sequitur, completely dishonest. And does nothing to rebut Michae's initial statement, by the way. You do remember that, don't you?

"Maybe so, but I'm not going to spend the time finding a print copy of the Times Union here in Chicago. Website's what I have to go on."

Pretty funny, troll, considering how you were CROWING about it and claiming outright that it ran in the paper. This is when you acknowledge that you screwed up, not continue the argument. This is why it almost never pays to use arguments you can't back up, which you did in spades.

"but now you admit you didn't miss it, it just doesn't count, for some reason"

I said this when, liar?

"I never said you were looking for national coverage. I can't believe I'm having an argument with someone this stupid."

You can lie all you want, fortunately anyone can just read the thread. You basically claimed that I 'couldn't find' national coverage when I hadn't even looked for it at that point. Don't you make any honest points, troll?

"It did make national news, last week, as I pointed out, by two of the biggest wire services and two major cable news outlets (and there's more since). I didn't miss the point. I refuted Michael's exact point."

This is like banging my head against a very, very stupid wall. Michael said that didn't make the national news cycle. A release was issued by a couple of wire services and then it was barely picked up. AP and UPI write all sorts of stories all the time - if it doesn't get carried in a lot of papers or get on the news, then it is utterly dishonest to claim that it's made "the national news cycle". I see that you're carefully excising the word "cycle" from your statements in typical troll fashion after getting caught lying and making stuff up.

"If you're going to put something in quotes, it should be a quote, moron. I said many local papers (as in small papers around the country, dipshit) would carry the wire story. And they did. You really like showing how stupid you are, don't you?"

Now you're just being funny. See, this is where I admit that I should have quoted you saying "many" instead of "most". Sorry about that. That was a screw up. Now please defend your statement that "many" "did".

"Alas, I merely said that none of the sources locally picked it up.

Incorrectly."

This is my favorite part - this is the part where you AGAIN try to tell me what was reported in MY NEWSPAPERS, including those that I read EVERY DAY. I would have thought you wouldn't try that again, but you did. Amazing. It's like you keep pressing the red button even though you know it's going to shock you. Do you even know where New York is, let alone where specific cities and towns are?

"explain how they affect the fact that the entire NY capital region was shut out

It wasn't. Gee, that was easy."

allow me recap - me: nobody locally covered it, troll: people in other places covered it, me: what does that have to do with local coverage?, troll: I never said that. Great argument.

Oh, and for the final record, at least two local papers finally carried the story, one with a large piece and one with a brief blurb, today, almost a week later.




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