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The Democrats' own Jack Abramoff

He donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democrats. He lobbied members of Congress to expand offshore tax shelters. He shook the hand of a grinning Barack Obama last July. He smooched it up with Nancy Pelosi and schmoozed it up with Bill Clinton at the DNC convention in Denver last year. And he is currently wanted for fraud, embezzlement, and possibly laundering money for a powerful Mexican drug cartel.

Meet Sir Robert Allen Stanford.

Yesterday, Federal Agents raided the Houston office of Stanford Financial Group, a massive money management firm with affiliated offices in the United States, Antigua, Venezuela, and elsewhere. As of this time, Stanford's whereabouts are a mystery, but many people strongly suspect that he fled the country and is taking refuge at his home in the U S. Virgin Islands.

Being a political power player, Stanford worked both sides of the aisle in Washington, DC. He either gave money to, or solicited the lobbying talents of, prominent Republicans like Robert Ney (who did prison time for corruption), Pete Sessions, Dick Armey, and John McCain. But his connections to Democrats are the most troubling. The Wall Street Journal reports:

For the past few years, Mr. Stanford, who moved to St. Croix in the U.S. Virgin Islands, has been lobbying to preserve and expand tax rules that enable him to pay minimal federal income taxes as a resident there, according to lobbyists. While allies of Mr. Stanford in Congress have managed to fend off attacks on rules, his efforts to expand them further have thus far been unsuccessful, lobbyists said.

Among the recipients of Mr. Stanford's largesse is House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D., N.Y.), who has long advocated lenient tax policies toward Virgin Islands residents and in 2007 introduced a bill to enforce a statute of limitations on IRS scrutiny of islanders' old tax returns. That year, Mr. Rangel traveled to Antigua for a development conference partly sponsored by Mr. Stanford, who also donated $28,300 to Mr. Rangel in 2008.

"I met Stanford a couple of times," Mr. Rangel said. "He has never discussed any legislative issue with me nor has anyone to my knowledge representing him ever discussed any legislation."

Mr. Stanford wrote two $250,000 checks to the Democratic Party in 2002.

He also was a big supporter of New York Democrat Gregory Meeks, a member of a House Financial Services subcommittee dealing with offshore banks that received an estimated $17,600 from a Stanford fund-raiser held in the Virgin Islands in July. Mr. Meeks's campaign later reimbursed the organizers of the event $3,591 for the cost of food and beverages, according to the campaign's financial disclosures.

From 2003 to 2006, Mr. Meeks and his wife traveled to the Caribbean every January on trips paid for by the Inter-American Economic Council, a group backed by Mr. Stanford, federal records show. The first trip was for "fact finding" and subsequent trips were for a "business roundtable," often including hotel and meal charges of over $2,000. On at least one occasion, the trip was taken on Mr. Stanford's jet.

"For me, I have a vested interest in the Caribbean," Mr. Meeks said, noting that he is a member of the Caribbean Caucus and that he represents a district in Queens with a large population of immigrants from the islands.

[...]

On the state level, the largest recipient of Mr. Stanford's help was former California Gov. Gray Davis. The Stanford Financial Group gave $200,000 for his 2002 campaign and another $100,000 to fight his recall by ballot initiative the next year. Mr. Sessions and Mr. Davis didn't respond to a request for comment before press time. (emphasis added)

The WSJ also notes that among Stanford's most prominent lobbyists is Texas Democrat Ben Barnes. Remember him? The Democrats used Barnes as a character witness of sorts to bolster the veracity of the forged Texas Air National Guard memos that emerged just before the 2004 Presidental election. Barnes was featured in the original 60 Minutes II story on the memos, telling CBS News that he remembered George W. Bush being given special treatment by Texas Air National Guard commanding officers.

So here's the $500,000 question: will the press work overtime to plaster Stanford's picture all over every newspaper and TV news broadcast, and repeatedly mention his connection to the DNC and prominent Democrats -- including President Obama -- just as they did with Jack Abramoff, the Republican party, and the Bush White House in 2006?

No, I'm not holding my breath either.

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Nothing to see here. Move along please.



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Comments (46)

Of course not. It... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:

Of course not.

It wouldn't fit the narrative.

Doesn't this show that both... (Below threshold)
JC Hammer:

Doesn't this show that both parties are crooks. It doesn't matter who gets elected to any office, the system corrupts them. Both Demo's and Repug's were corrupted and took money from all of them.

So why make it out as a Demo problem, when it's both parties that are corrupt. Quit listening to Limpdick, and do your own thinking. Or will that give you a headache?

Mr. Rangel traveled to ... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Mr. Rangel traveled to Antigua for a development conference partly sponsored by Mr. Stanford, who also donated $28,300 to Mr. Rangel in 2008.

"I met Stanford a couple of times," Mr. Rangel said. "He has never discussed any legislative issue with me nor has anyone to my knowledge representing him ever discussed any legislation."

So I guess he gave Charlie the $28k cuz he liked the way he looks.....oooorrr maybe he's just a "big fan".......ooooorrr (insert lame excuse here)

Yup, the most ethical congress ever.

This is just a DISTRACTION ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

This is just a DISTRACTION from the serious work Obama has to do for the country. Let's PUT IT BEHIND US and MOVE ON....er........MOVE FORWARD!

Just another in a long, lon... (Below threshold)

Just another in a long, long line of President Obama's best friends and mentors. It's hope and change, remember?

Excellent post Michael... (Below threshold)

Excellent post Michael

So why make it out as a Demo problem, when it's both parties that are corrupt.

Great strawman JC. They all "do it" so what's the big deal, right. WRONG

Michael's correct that our esteemed liberal media will not relentlously persue this with the same vigor they did shoving the "Abramoff-Conservative-Corruption" scandal that plagued Republicans. Stanford appears to be knee-deep in probable Democrat purse-strings and the now dirty word, lobbyist. The writer that finds Stanford's "deep throat" may have a field day with this story. After all, if Woodward and Bernstein can do it......any blogger can too.....right JC?


when Queen Nancy, and her C... (Below threshold)

when Queen Nancy, and her Court Jester (Harry Reid) were screaming: "Culture of Corruption" regarding Repbulican scandals no one paid ANY attention to what the Dems were doing.

Now, when EVERY story truly IS about Dem corruption, tax evasion, perjury, etc... the newspapers and the trolls want to claim BOTH Parties are corrupt.

Maybe so.

But right now it is the DEMS who are in power...and their corruption is eating away at our country.

Are there Republican rats too? Yup. But it's the DEM rats that are gnawing on us...let's stomp them FIRST!

I read about *Sir* earlier ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

I read about *Sir* earlier at isteve. Another Texian scumbag.
However, until there is a link found between *Sir* and Muhammad Atta and the Bushite 9/11 inside job crew, as per Abramoff/Suncruz, I must rate *Sir* *slightly* lower on the Scumbag Scale.
If ever so slightly.
And "bipartisan" is right. Obama is the the un-closetted version of Official Bush. I'm sure a divergence will show eventually, though Obama might be retired by then and you should be hacked out.

Oh wow!A Democrat he... (Below threshold)
STaylor:

Oh wow!
A Democrat heavy scandal is found but of course it is bipartisan, just like the Blago scandal you know, and by the way "9/11 was an inside job" so I guess any Dem scandal is automatically invalidated.
Thank you bryanD for opening my eyes, it all makes sense now. You are an idiot.
It is possible that your argument would hold more water without truther nonsense, but I doubt it.
Grow up!

So... who the hell this guy... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

So... who the hell this guy and why is he "Sir" such and such?

We'll see what happens, but it's probably just another yawner non-story people clinging to the regional Republican party try to drum up.

It's so god damn hilarious. For instance, I read a piece today about some GOP governers (southern states and Palin) who are just so hoppin mad that they're gul-durn ready to just turn down the federal stimulus funds coming to their states. When pressed however to make an official statement NOT ONE would commit to saying on the record that they would not accept even ONE PENNY coming their way.

Yawn. Our President is digging out of the well of shit YOUR president threw us into. Sit back, shut up, and let the adults America voted into office do their jobs.

Wow. bryanD's comment is li... (Below threshold)
JimK:

Wow. bryanD's comment is like concentrated crazy.

STaylor, JimK,Than... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

STaylor, JimK,

Thanks for playing.
Gravity and the thus the Law of Physics dictates that Mass falls into the point of LEAST Resistance. The triple collapses of WTC 1, 2, and 7 did the exact opposite.
Please explain the anomalies.

If you choose to ignore the above (which you will), investigate "Visa Express" on your own time as a "backgrounder".

ryan - "Yawn. Our Presi... (Below threshold)
Marc:

ryan - "Yawn. Our President is digging out of the well of shit YOUR president threw us into. Sit back, shut up, and let the adults America voted into office do their jobs."

And YOUR president signed on the dotted line not only the current porkfest but the last one offered up by Bush.

Some of you loonbats haven't realized it, yet, Barack Hussein Obama is nothing more than Bush III on monetary policy.

bryanD - You can take your ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

bryanD - You can take your truther crapsicle and stuff it where undigested corn reappears.

And while waiting, talk to these people, they know far more than you or any of your truther cohorts.

marc, I repeat,Gra... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

marc, I repeat,

Gravity and thus the Law of Physics dictates that Mass falls into the point of LEAST Resistance. The triple collapses of WTC 1, 2, and 7 did the exact opposite.

Please expostulate the New Rule even if 25 years past due. (Eric Blair reference, hint, hint)

BryanD, those Republican sh... (Below threshold)

BryanD, those Republican shills at Popular Mechanics did all the heavy lifting on the subject. They did the unthinkable -- they talked to actual scientists and engineers and physicists and experts:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

So, why don't YOU explain how all those demolition charges were smuggled into the buildings without no one noticing, what happened to the REAL planes and passengers, and how the conspirators who were so inept as to leave all that "evidence" lying around still managed to keep every single one of the thousands of necessary conspirators from blabbing?

Christ, you're an even bigger idiot than I thought.

J.

"Sit back, shut up, and ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Sit back, shut up, and let the adults America voted into office do their jobs."

Yep, Ryan's back telling those he disagrees with to "shut up". Had any luck with that, Ryan? I mean, you know, now that Obama's the President someone's going to shut us up, right?

Jeez, could a five year old be any more petulant?

I seem to remember most on the right here gleefully waving goodbye to Tom DeLay, warning Ted Stevens not to let the door hit him in the ass, sparing no words to describe Jack Abramoff, etc. Yet, if they uttered the words, "Hey, wait a minute. Democrats do it too," they either got deafening silence or were reminded that the President was a Republican/traitor/criminal/Nazi.

Now we have 24/7 news of Democrats with tax evasion issues, illegal nannies, hoarding rent controlled apartments, sweetheart mortgage deals, questionable campaign finances, etc.

How does it feel?

Jay Tea, marc, STaylor, Jim... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Jay Tea, marc, STaylor, JimK,

Gravity and thus the Law of Physics dictates that Mass falls into the point of LEAST Resistance. The triple collapses of WTC 1, 2, and 7 did the exact opposite.

Explain, bitte.

And no, Pop Mech doesn't go NEAR the question. Not by a NYC mile.

"So, why don't YOU explain how all those demolition charges were smuggled into the buildings without no one noticing"-jt

The WTC was shut down for 2 weeks. See "Everybody's Gotta Learn Some Time" at Google video. Marvin Bush was on the board of WTC security outsource. His company ended contract, the shut-down occurred, then the attack. Chertoff's cousin edited Pop Mech article. Google Chertoff+PopularMechanics+9/11 maybe. The article is a joke, amended since it's hard copy debut circa April 05(?). I've read all versions. The original (hard copy) meme was based on roof trusses weakening...since then, scratched since each floor is reinforced by floor ("roof") trusses, i.e. any structural fault only reinforces the downward stability of the whole: a concept mastered by the Romans in the 1st century BC.

So Pop Mech dropped it. Beware/Compare!

So again:

Gravity and the thus the Law of Physics dictates that Mass falls into the point of LEAST Resistance. The triple collapses of WTC 1, 2, and 7 did the exact opposite.
Please explain.

PS, JT:

Jennifer Rubin, et al. are BURYING you at Contentions.
Do you want to graduate to the hard copy (Commentary mag) or are you just treading water? After all there is room for Pop since the editor is JPod. You can do it. It just takes effort.
Terry Teachout's Hitchcock appraisal in the latest issue shows the way.

As I recall, the original m... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

As I recall, the original meme was that the WTC towers were shut down for 36 hours. Now it's a couple of weeks? And the towers just don't 'fall right'?

Shit. Truthers just NEVER get bored with that crap.

Rovin,The first ti... (Below threshold)
Tony do Rio:

Rovin,

The first time I read about this scam was a couple of weeks ago in a Venezuelan blog ("The Devil's Excr.e.m.ent", an excellent blog kept by Miguel Octavio), in the "Duck Tales" series. These were written by Alex Dalmady a vnzln, but Miami based, first rate economic analyst.

It seems they lost big bucks in South America due to "Sir" A..H..e. :-)

Best regards,

Tony

Ryan,From Stanford... (Below threshold)

Ryan,

From Stanford Financial's website:

Sir Allen earned a Bachelor of Arts in Finance from Baylor University in 1974. He resides in St. Croix, US Virgin Islands, and holds dual citizenship, having become a citizen of Antigua and Barbuda ten years ago. He is the first American to be knighted by that British Commonwealth nation and was appointed Knight Commander of the Most Distinguished Order of the Nation. He was presented this honor by the Governor-General of Antigua and Barbuda, Sir James B. Carlisle in a ceremony attended by His Royal Highness Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex, in celebration of the country's Silver Jubilee in November 2006.
Its not reassuring to see t... (Below threshold)
epador:

Its not reassuring to see that the folks who want to believe fantastical conspiracy plots are blind to the out front conspiracies that have left our economy damaged (but not in shambles yet). Sir's tactics are part of this type of politics/criminal activity. Bad government policies regarding banks, mortgages, immigration, and education have left us a mess that will fester as long as folks bicker about whose fault it is, refuse to accept the causal factors (and make appropriate changes to counter them instead of continuing to make the same mistakes over and over) and roll up their sleeves shoulder to shoulder to fix this mess before we become another rusted and failed empire..

So which is it, Wizbangers?... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

So which is it, Wizbangers?
Is there a silent conspiracy to downplay Dem scandals, as Mr Laprarie is implying, or do we have "wall to wall coverage of Democratic tax cheats, nanny scandals" etc., as Mr (Ms?) Oyster asserts?

It was ALIENS who brought d... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

It was ALIENS who brought down the towers, Bruce! The EVIDENCE IS [email protected]# STEEL DOESN'T MELT IN FLAMES!

WOW!From a strawman ... (Below threshold) /truther emulation...... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

/truther emulation...

(Steel softens like crazy, though, once a certain temperature is reached - otherwise blacksmiths would have a hell of a time shoeing horses and a whole lot of industrial processes would be flat-out impossible...)

When you have to spin fantastical conspiracy therories involving hundreds or thousands of co-conspirators ALL of whom keep the secret so close that there's not a peep from them - when the lead people for this conspiracy are inhabitants of the leakiest security environment of our country (IE Washington, DC) and then you use the idea that there's no proof of the conspiracy (or plenty of proof that the consiracy DIDN'T come off as you fantasize it) AS proof that there's a conspiracy JUST AS YOU THINK, there's something kind of wrong with your thinking.

The simplest explanation that includes all known facts is the most likely one to be correct.

Looks like I forgot to clos... (Below threshold)

Looks like I forgot to close some tags.....sorry

Gravity and thus the Law... (Below threshold)
Tim:

Gravity and thus the Law of Physics dictates that Mass falls into the point of LEAST Resistance.

You mean DOWN?

The triple collapses of WTC 1, 2, and 7 did the exact opposite

You trying to tell us they fell UP?

Here bryanD, you <a href="h... (Below threshold)

Here bryanD, you forgot something this morning.

One of the many, many lying... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

One of the many, many lying trolls here, Ryan, gave a completely false explanation of why the GOP governors are questioning the stimulus bill be for accepting money. ww

"Gravity and thus the Law o... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Gravity and thus the Law of Physics dictates that Mass falls into the point of LEAST Resistance."-ME

"You mean DOWN?"-TIM

WTC 1, 2, and 7 telescoped into themselves, meaning the lower (unscathed) floors disintegrated faster than the force of gravity pulled the damaged (upper) floors downward.

Impossible considering the I-beam steel construction material. Should have tipped AWAY from MOST resistance, thus no previous examples in history. Except 3 in one day.

"Steel softens like crazy"-jlawson

Only with INTENSE oxygen feed. Black smoke (viz. WTC 1 and 2) denotes oxygen starvation. WTC 7 was barely on fire at all. Any fire was well below 1900F at its hottest point (15 seconds past impact); after that 600F or so. (firefighters were nearby on the radio). Melt shops must use 18' electrodes for 15 minutes with piped oxygen just to melt small scrap. And yes, in a previous life I worked at Sheffield Steel in beautiful downtown Sand Springs, Oklahoma. But hell, anyone who's worked an acetyline torch knows you office pogues are only listening to other office pogues. I mean, your outdoor grill melted last summer, right?

My outdoor grill didn't hav... (Below threshold)
Tim:

My outdoor grill didn't have to hold up the equivalent of a 30 story building on it. And since you're such a studly steel worker, you might note that we're not saying the steel melted - it softened, making it easier to bend. As a previous commenter noted, blacksmiths do it all the time. Apply heat along with force. Not just heat. Not just force. You need both.

Reporters are democrats. T... (Below threshold)

Reporters are democrats. They have worked very hard to put Obama in office. It is not in their interest to dig into this story.
http://www.rightklik.net/

Mr Lawson, I hope you're no... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Mr Lawson, I hope you're not confusing me with the Truther dude. I wouldn't dignify bs like that with a response.

No, I was on topic for once. On the one hand, we have Mr Laprarie implying, and several geniuses flat-out saying, that the Media will suppress this story "like they always do."

On the other hand, we have Oyster asking liberals, "How does it feel" to have "wall to wall coverage of Democratic scandals?"

And I'm asking, Which Is It?

Bruce -I was just ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Bruce -

I was just making a sarcastic remark on the truther garbage, and picked your comment (and name) to further the conspiracy stuff.

My apologies - no denigration meant, and I've got little opinion on this. Truther crap, however, I'll gleefully ridicule.

Now why would you want to q... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Now why would you want to quote me as saying something I didn't, Bruce?

Twice.

Never mind. I think I know why.

24/7 is a bit ... no, it's a LOT different than "wall to wall".

Do a little google news search, will ya? The vast, vast majority of any reporting on this is from foreign news sources. The NYT did a short story, but with no details, no names. The Houston Chronicle too. No names, no details. Except for the WSJ, that almost sums up all the reporting done in the US.

Michael's question (implication to you) is will they report as thoroughly as they do when the corruption involves Republicans? My belief is that they will only if it gets too big to ignore.

You, on the other hand, can pretend otherwise while you ignore every other detail of the post. If that's what makes you happy.

bryanDYour ignorance... (Below threshold)
STaylor:

bryanD
Your ignorance and mental instability are quite boundless. Did your theories take the actual construction of the towers into account, I guess not.
The WTC was built to a unique plan that was meant to minimize the number of interior structural supports. The plan instead had the exterior walls of the building carry most of the load. So when the buildings failed each floor did drop strait downwords because that was the "path of least resistance" as opposed to going through a wall that was built to hold up the weight of the building. The whole building stayed up because each wall acted as a counter balance to the others thus once again leaving the "path of least resistance" being strait down. As each succesive floor failed the walls, shorn of their interior supports, unzipped away from each other and fell as well. This process is evident in the videos and has been supported by numerouse engineers, many of whom are not paid by Bush.
Now go play in a mine field, get your Darwin Award and leave this world a better place.

(Applauds STaylor...)... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

(Applauds STaylor...)

My apologies, Oyster, for c... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

My apologies, Oyster, for conflating "24/7" with "wall to wall." I'll take your word for it that the two phrases have vastly different meanings. Whatever you say.

No Google search is needed, though. I first heard of this story right here about 6:15 am, and a little after 7:00 I saw it on Good Morning America. As I was driving my kid to school they were reporting it on NPR, and there was another mention of it on "The Diane Rehm Show" a couple hours later. It was reported again on the 12:00 news on WTVD, the local ABC affiliate.

So, yeah, totally buried.

And, to answer your question, it feels lousy.

There is a difference in th... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

There is a difference in the way the story is reported that is telling also. I would also like to know Bruce, if you heard these stories like you state, did they also mention that they were democrat? Or did they leave that up to you? On the news programs I see, there is no letter after the corrupted democrat. There always will be one on the republican. ww

I'm sure you could find the... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

I'm sure you could find the video on ABC's website, but the story Brian Ross told on GMA showed Obama shaking the dude's hand, Pelosi giving him a hug, and Bill Clinton thanking him for underwriting some bigass fundraiser at the DNC. It mentioned, in alternating order by party, several Congressmen and Senators who had taken campaign cash from the guy. All but one said they were returning the money. The other one "declined to comment" -- that was Dodd, I think. One of those returning or donating the money was McCain, and if I'm not mistaken, another was Schumer.
The NPR story was similar. It talked of how this wouldn't be good for Democrats, mostly. N. P. Freaking. R.
So please, Wet Willie. If you only get your news from Wizbang, you'll think that there is a great liberal conspiracy to silence the news. But if you do a little channel-surfin', you'll find it just AIN'T SO.

"And since you're such a st... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"And since you're such a studly steel worker..."-TIM

Please don't let my forays into physical exercise intimidate you. :)

Worst. Job. Ever. BTW.

"Mr Lawson, I hope you're not confusing me with the Truther dude."-BRUCE H.

"I was just making a sarcastic remark on the truther garbage, and picked your comment (and name) to further the conspiracy stuff.-JOHN L

Keep weapons pointed downrange, marines!

"Did your theories take the actual construction of the towers into account, I guess not...As each succesive floor failed the walls, shorn of their interior supports, UNZIPPED away from each other and fell as well."-STaylor

Like I said, you're parroting nonsense. The WTC was designed SPECIFICALLY to withstand the impact of jets as well as earthquakes and the awesome cumulative strength of high winds. As for construction dependent on some exterior tear-prone (un"zip"pable?) basket construction: WTC was designed in a 3D MESH design. Don't let the fancy exterior facing fool you. Also note the humongous CENTRAL CORE of the buildings (surrounding the elevator shafts) are studiously ignored in the spontaneous collapse theory. Central core: think about it. The supposed weak trusses and tables should have "unzipped" from there as well, leaving the core standing like an obelisk. Promise yourself you'll think about it during the commercial break.

Regarding Topic Abramoff and 9/11:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=everybody%27s+gotta+learn+sometime+9%2F11&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

"WTC was designed in a 3D M... (Below threshold)
STaylor:

"WTC was designed in a 3D MESH design"
No it was designed in a tube structural design where the building is in essence a hollow tube with all of the structural support in the walls. That is a metter of public record, there was 59 columns per side that took the majority of the buildings wieght; NOT A FACADE.
You are, amazingly, right about one thing, the building was designed to withstand earth quakes and high winds. In fact that was one of the attractions of a tube structural design; the problem with your crazy little theory is that those are LATERAL stresses, floors collapsing on each other or not lateral stresses. As you pointed out so adamantly earlier they fell in the point of least resistance which was DOWN, an in not LATERAL.
The interior column was not up to the task of holding the tower by its lonesome and collapsed in on itself just like the floors did esspecialy since the core columns were directly damaged in the attack; remember how the people could not get our of the upper floors because the elevators were cut... the elevators in the central core... ringing any bells? Thought not.

I was about wrong about one thing in my previose post the exterior walls buckled inwards, not quite "unzipping" but pretty much the same effect up dropping the towers DOWN. I should have stated that differently, my bad.
I do know that telling you all of this is probably pointless, you will remain dumb as a sack of hammers and stubornly point to your pathetic little peices of "evidence" until you shuffle off this mortal coil and St. Peter smacks you for being so stupid. But I do get an excuse to point an laugh at someone who likely has a lower IQ than the shoes I am wearing.
All personal attacks in this post are deliberate as you don't deserve any better.

I should proof read better:... (Below threshold)
STaylor:

I should proof read better:
"effect of dropping"
"point and laugh"
"as in not LATERAL"

I apologize to all for my hastiness.
Except for bryanD; you still suck.

"I was about wrong about on... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"I was about wrong about one thing in my previose post the exterior walls buckled inwards"-st

And I was wrong to describe things as a 3d mesh. See 1st vid below for where "mesh" stuck in my memory (WTC engineer interview).

Brief vid clip denoting officialdoms' ignoring the central core column design implications viz. the official physical destruction model of WTC1 and 2 and WTC's own engineers commenting upon stability viz aircraft accident(s).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRHLwZPp4Og&feature=related

WTC 7 controlled demolition (the real dead fly in the strawberry jam):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJwnkrF02jA&feature=related

"..St. Peter smacks you for being so stupid"-st

Aww! And I thought we were on the verge of a beautiful relationship! Oh well.
And BTW, St.Peter doesn't guard Heaven. A papist construct. All saints arrive in Heaven at the same time, in future. So far, the deceased, saints and sinners alike, share Paradise divided by a gulf. For the saints awaiting their sure reward, anticipation, bosom of Abraham, etc. For the damned, a long spell in a waiting room, with toothache, no water fountain, and nothing to read.
Heaven and Hell don't exist. Yet.

PS. Youtube "WTC spire" for further proof against pure collapse theory. The "spire" telescopes into itself even without undo weight from above.

folks, bryanD changed the s... (Below threshold)
JimK:

folks, bryanD changed the subject from corrupt Democrats to loony nonsense. Don't play his game. Get back to discussing the corruption of Democrats in Congress




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