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Al Qaeda Founder's Take on 9/11 and Jihad

I saw this UK Telegraph article about al Qaeda founder Sayyid Imam al-Sharif, aka Dr. Fadl, at Don Surber's place. I was astounded when I read it. Tell me if you react the same way (emphasis mine):

Twenty years ago, Dr Fadl became al-Qaeda's intellectual figurehead with a crucial book setting out the rationale for global jihad against the West.

Today, however, he believes the murder of innocent people is both contrary to Islam and a strategic error. "Every drop of blood that was shed or is being shed in Afghanistan and Iraq is the responsibility of bin Laden and Zawahiri and their followers," writes Dr Fadl.

The terrorist attacks on September 11 were both immoral and counterproductive, he writes. "Ramming America has become the shortest road to fame and leadership among the Arabs and Muslims. But what good is it if you destroy one of your enemy's buildings, and he destroys one of your countries? What good is it if you kill one of his people, and he kills a thousand of yours?" asks Dr Fadl. "That, in short, is my evaluation of 9/11."

He is equally unsparing about Muslims who move to the West and then take up terrorism. "If they gave you permission to enter their homes and live with them, and if they gave you security for yourself and your money, and if they gave you the opportunity to work or study, or they granted you political asylum," writes Dr Fadl, then it is "not honourable" to "betray them, through killing and destruction".

Every drop of blood spilled in Iraq and Afghanistan is on Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri's hands, not George W. Bush's as the left in this country would have you believe. This is an amazing turn around from the "America is the devil" we are so used to hearing. President Bush proved that America's overwhelming force would defeat the evil of terrorism and global jihad. Dr. Fadl's comments sound like they spring from a man who knows he has been defeated.

Thank God for George W. Bush and his commitment to protect America.

I will leave you with some of Don's comments:

There may be a reason it is no longer called the Global War On Terrorism.

We may have won.

Not everyone in the world is an American liberal.

The other side -- the enemy -- sees our invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as their defeat -- their death.

And it scares them.

Because Bill Maher was wrong; they are not heroes but rather cowards who pick on innocents.


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That's an interesting take ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

That's an interesting take on things, Kim...

Sounds to me like he's realized that there's pretty much no way for his militant brand of Islam TO 'win' without committing suicide in the process. So now it's time to rethink about 'honor'?

Well, better late than never. They want to capitulate, we'll be glad to let 'em!

Of course, "Dr. Fadl" said ... (Below threshold)
chsw Author Profile Page:

Of course, "Dr. Fadl" said nothing until it was bloody obvious that the USA was kicking Qaeda and Baath butt all through Afghanistan and Iraq. If things had bogged down, he would have been claiming credit.

chsw

It is heartening to hear th... (Below threshold)
STaylor:

It is heartening to hear that we have cowed at least one Al Qaeda leader (or ex-leader). But how long is it until a new group of jihadist ass holes decided that America has once again become weak and a paper tiger?
We must always be vigilant.

According to Wikipedia (sue... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

According to Wikipedia (sue me.) Al-Sharif left AlQaeda prior to *1994*, he TURNED HIMSELF IN to Yemeni authorities after 9/11 and CRITICIZED the supposed 9/11 jihad rationale.

Add in:--------------------------------------

CNN.com, September 17, 2001:

____Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks___

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

Divided by:---------------------------------

Oct. 1997
Unocal and other oil companies formed Central Asia Gas Pipeline, Ltd. (CentGas) (10) in preparation for building the trans-Afghanistan pipeline.

1997
US Congress passed a resolution declaring the Caspian and Caucasus region to be a "zone of vital American interests".

Dec. 1997
Unocal invited Taliban representatives to their corporate headquarters in Sugarland, TX. (11) to discuss the pipeline project. They were thereafter invited to Washington for meetings with Clinton Administration officials.

Jan. 1998
Unocal agreement signed between Pakistan, Turkmenistan, and the Taliban (12) to arrange funding of the gas pipeline project, with Unocal also considering a Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-Arabian Sea coast oil pipeline.

1998
VP Dick Cheney, then CEO of the giant oil services company, Halliburton, stated: "I cannot think of a time when we have had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian." (13)

Feb. 28, 1998
Unocal VP International Relations addressed US House of Representatives(14) clearly stating that the Taliban government should be removed and replaced by a government acceptable to his company. He argued that creation of a 42 inch oil pipeline across Afghanistan would yield a Western profit increase of 500% by 2015.

March 1998
Unocal announced a delay in finalizing the pipeline project (15) due to Afghanistan's continuing civil war

Aug. 7, 1998
Terrorists said to be linked to Osama bin Laden bombed two US embassies (16) in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.

Aug. 20, 1998
Clinton ordered a 75-80 cruise missile attacks (17) on Afghanistan and Sudan targets.

-----NOTE:--------------------------------------

WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN JAN. & FEB 29, 1998???
Taliban and US interests:
Friends then enemies.
Business deal soured?
NOTE the immediate "RAMPING-UP".
*Remember the Maine!*

The al Qaeda Fadl founded (... (Below threshold)
Brian:

The al Qaeda Fadl founded (and then left) has little in common with bin Laden's al Qaeda. This is like Anton Drexler (founder of what became the Nazi party) criticizing Hitler's invasion of Poland.

Kim paints him as an active member of al Qaeda who just now saw the light as a result of George Bush's mightiness. At worst this is blatant misrepresentation, and at best this is Kim once again copying and linking to a source without bothering to do any original research first.

If she had, she might have learned that Fadl was criticizing al Qaeda since long before "George W. Bush and his commitment to protect America". She might have also seen a July 2008 article from a different UK news source that pointed this out, rather than claiming Fadl's comments are recent and "sound like they spring from a man who knows he has been defeated."

She might have learned that Fadl was actually kicked out of al Qaeda in 1994 because several terrorist attacks he planned were not successful enough (i.e., they didn't kill the right people). And that his current views include that "Jihad in Afghanistan will lead to the creation of an Islamic state with the triumph of the Taliban, God willing" and "If it were not for the jihad in Palestine, the Jews would have crept toward the neighbouring countries a long time ago."

In other words, typical Wizbang.
depp=true
notiz=So leave Wizbang typical Brian.

"Because Bill Maher was wro... (Below threshold)
tyree:

"Because Bill Maher was wrong; they are not heroes but rather cowards who pick on innocents."

There seems to be no limit to the number of leftists, anarchists, socialists, communists, entertainers and Democrats who hate America and love our enemies. It is so sad that they put loyalty to political systems above the survival of their fellow countrymen.

"Because Bill Maher was wro... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Because Bill Maher was wrong; they are not heroes but rather cowards who pick on innocents."
-Kim's post relating "Don (Surber)'s comments"

tyree's own comment rang a bell regarding the above. And I followed Kim's link, thanks to tyree. Mainly, because I initially scanned the meaning DIFFERENTLY from tyree. So may I address a query to Kim (because maybe she knows, I would hope(...against hope?) Because the case is unclear):

Is the quote you cite Don Surber's, or is it Don Surber quoting Bill Maher? It's REALLY unclear. The semi-colon is like a turd in the punch bowl of cogency. The sentence structure seems backward besides. Ugh.

I searched for a source and couldn't find one, and Don Surber's original post was kind of spastic and unclear as well as petulant and lame.

While searching I DID find a nice youtube clip featuring Mos Def on Bill Maher's show expounding on all kinds of neocon sacred cows. So my time was rewarded (there IS a God!).

Let me just say, if I were gay, I would like to be in an inter-racial gay marriage with Mos Def. And no, not for looks; but in case I were assigned the Bitch role, at least he's not a lumox and might have the brains to fix the sink from dripping. I.e. the cat's pretty smart! Link:
(Caution! Striped-ass affirmative action yard monkey Cornell West RUINS the last 1/4 of the clip. But Mos Def will get $13 out of me because I'm gonna buy at least 1 of his CDs. Hopefully he has a Greatest Hits cause I don't care for rap music, but hey!)

www.alternet.org/blogs/video/62344/

bryanD - "Let me just s... (Below threshold)
Marc:

bryanD - "Let me just say, if I were gay"

If?

You're a master at deception then.

At least one thing Mr Surbe... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

At least one thing Mr Surber says is quite dishonest, Ms Priestap: Bill Maher never said the 9/11 hijackers were "heroes."

Marc, you are the master at middle-school bully boy taunts. You must be so proud of your little put-down. Smirk on, tough guy.

"Kim paints him as an ac... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Kim paints him as an active member of al Qaeda who just now saw the light as a result of George Bush's mightiness."

I didn't get that impression at all. In the above, I read that he was "founder" of al Qaeda. Yet funny thing is, - and correct me if I'm wrong - it's my understanding that bin Laden and Zawahiri have been heading it up for quite a long time. That would suggest, to me at least, that Fadl hasn't been active for a long, long time. Even if I'd never heard his name before.

But hey, it's more fun to accuse someone of misrepresentation.

"At least one thing Mr S... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"At least one thing Mr Surber says is quite dishonest, Ms Priestap: Bill Maher never said the 9/11 hijackers were "heroes.""

Not in those words. No he did not. But he did say, ""We have been the cowards. Lobbing cruise missiles from two thousand miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building. Say what you want about it. Not cowardly."

Yeah, hiding amongst women and children, wearing masks, crouching behind mosque walls ... real brave.

First, we're not lobbing cruise missiles at them from two thousand miles away. Second, his implication that we're cowards, means our military. What horseshit. Let's see how brave Maher would be to say these things in a room with our military men and women - or better yet, put him in a room with crazy, brain-washed zealot (but brave!) terrorists.

But go ahead and defend him for what he didn't say exactly and ignore what he DID say.

bryanD - "Let me just say, ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

bryanD - "Let me just say, if I were gay"

If?
You're a master at deception then.
8. Posted by Marc

meh...For an attorney-at-law you aren't very facile with the English language is all I can say.

May all my enemies be so wan and filled with snack food products, selah!


Oh, Oyster, I know the cont... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Oh, Oyster, I know the context. And guess what? Maher got fired!
I merely point out that this Surber character claimed that Maher said the terrorists were "heroes" when in fact he said no such thing.
Typical.
And Surber lying about what he said leads directly to quotes here on this thread expressing outrage at remarks that Maher, and "the left", and "Hollywood liberals," NEVER SAID.
Typical.
Hey, did you hear the one about Jane Fonda and the little slips of paper the POWs slipped into her hand in 1972? You know, how she turned the little slips of paper over to the NVA guards? Pssst...that never happened either!
But don't let reality get in the way of your pearl-clutching faux outrage.

All you have to do is quote... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

All you have to do is quote an ex-terrorist and the left comes out in force to follow the lefts "three D's Policy", defame, demean and deminish". Pathetic that the trolls here are more concerned about Kim's accuracy and/or current events and one even goes to Jane Fonda. Another great truth about the left, they are self loathing and the hate, really hate, the military. ww

And Surber lying a... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
And Surber lying about what he said leads directly to quotes here on this thread expressing outrage at remarks that Maher, and "the left", and "Hollywood liberals," NEVER SAID.

No need to invent outrageous comments by "Hollywood liberals", WHAT THEY SAID is outrageous enough.

Hey, did you hear the one about Jane Fonda declaring that American POWs were being treated humanely and condemned U.S. soldiers as "war criminals" and later denounced them as liars for claiming they had been tortured? Pssst...that actually happened also!

Fonda only being relevant to this thread because a long known myth about Fonda was used as a strawman in this thread. I just wanted to set fire to it with a true statement about Fonda.

Yet funny thing is, - an... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Yet funny thing is, - and correct me if I'm wrong - it's my understanding that bin Laden and Zawahiri have been heading it up for quite a long time. That would suggest, to me at least, that Fadl hasn't been active for a long, long time. Even if I'd never heard his name before.

You're exactly right, which was exactly my point. Clearly Kim did not think the way you did. Here's this guy who hasn't been active in al Qaeda for a long, long time, yet we're to be "astounded" by reading his opinion, which is supposedly a "turn around" from an opinion that he seemingly has never held before.

I didn't get that impression at all. ... But hey, it's more fun to accuse someone of misrepresentation.

And apparently even more fun to pretend that you didn't understand plain writing:

President Bush proved that America's overwhelming force would defeat the evil of terrorism and global jihad. Dr. Fadl's comments sound like they spring from a man who knows he has been defeated.

How can Fadl's comments reflect "defeat" when he hasn't even been in the fight for over a decade? Only a current or recent member of al Qaeda could feel "defeated" by Bush's actions. Which is false because Fadl was out of al Qaeda years before Bush was elected.

Though I will concede that Kim probably wasn't being intentionally deceitful. Just more a case of not knowing what she was writing about.

But go ahead and defend ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

But go ahead and defend him for what he didn't say exactly and ignore what he DID say.

Aren't you doing exactly the same thing? Defend Surber because he attacks someone who said something you don't like, and ignore the fact that he lied about what he said?

Not in those words. No he did not.

Not in ANY words.

Staying in the airplane when it hits the building. Say what you want about it. Not cowardly." ... Yeah, hiding amongst women and children, wearing masks, crouching behind mosque walls ... real brave.

Were they hiding, wearing masks, and crouching behind mosque walls on the airplanes? You're trying to counter his point by bringing up things unrelated to his point.

Did Maher say A? No, not exactly, not in those words. But he DID say B! And we don't like B! So let's ignore that he didn't actually say A!

So nice to see the right embrace "fake but accurate". I guess this is what Kim meant by there's a "big difference between truth and fact".

The best indication that Bu... (Below threshold)
John S:

The best indication that Bush's war on terrorism works is the fact that President Obama is leaving it intact. Close Gitmo to much fanfare? Sure. But no plans to implement that order. Torture? Fine and dandy if it's "necessary." Secret CIA prisons? Still in business. Spying on America's phone calls and e-mail? Yep. Still going on.

And now we won't have the New York Times sabotaging the effort because they have their heads so far up Obama's ass they're not paying attention.

b henry - "Oh, Oyster, ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

b henry - "Oh, Oyster, I know the context. And guess what? Maher got fired!
I merely point out that this Surber character claimed that Maher said the terrorists were "heroes" when in fact he said no such thing.

While that's true, he did say terrorists were not cowards. He did say, "We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly."

Despite his denials to the contrary was a direct slap in the face of the U.S. Military.

"And guess what? Maher got" rehired by HBO where the FCC has less influence over what's broadcast and he continues to spout-off, in some cases, extreme views.

b henry - "Marc, you ar... (Below threshold)
Marc:

b henry - "Marc, you are the master at middle-school bully boy taunts. You must be so proud of your little put-down. Smirk on, tough guy."

Only to those that have a long history of same, but you wouldn't know, or probably care, considering your "residence" here is fairly short-lived at this point.

"Defend Surber because h... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Defend Surber because he attacks someone who said something you don't like, and ignore the fact that he lied about what he said?"

Where did I defend Surber?

"Did Maher say A? No, not exactly, not in those words. But he DID say B! And we don't like B! So let's ignore that he didn't actually say A!"

Where did "ignore" it? I plainly said that he did not say it and gave the context around whence the misquote came.

At what point did I embrace "fake but accurate?"

Still each of you has carefully refrained from denouncing the ridiculous things Maher DID say, all in the name of expressing your distaste with me and imagining that I either defend Surber for misquoting OR I ignore it.

I can't do both.

"you destroy one of your en... (Below threshold)

"you destroy one of your enemy's buildings, and he destroys one of your countries? What good is it if you kill one of his people, and he kills a thousand of yours?"

Who knew that George Bush was so familiar with the "Chicago Way"?

If entertainers were as sma... (Below threshold)
tyree:

If entertainers were as smart as some people think they are, they wouldn't be supporting the terrorists in this war.

Where did I defend Surbe... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Where did I defend Surber?

Right here, where you start to acknowledge that he lied, but then you spin it as "not in those words", and then jump through contortions to try to draw some equivalence between Surber's claim and what Maher actually said, thus trying to give Surber's point some validity anyway.

Where did "ignore" it? I plainly said that he did not say it and gave the context around whence the misquote came.

Right here, where yes, you admit Maher didn't say it, but then (see above) try to justify Surber's take by having us look at Maher's actual quote (i.e., this other shiny thing over here) rather than just end your post after "No he did not."

Still each of you has carefully refrained from denouncing the ridiculous things Maher DID say

What did Maher say that was ridiculous? That individuals who sacrifice their lives for causes they believe in aren't cowards? What part of that do you disagree with? Do you think Kamikaze pilots were cowards? And please, leave aside your red herring about other people "hiding amongst women and children, wearing masks, crouching behind mosque walls ... real brave." None of that happened on 9/11.

imagining that I either defend Surber for misquoting OR I ignore it. I can't do both.

I never said you defended Surber "for misquoting it". I said that you defended his point, even though it was based on a lie. And by telling us to ignore Surber's lie and instead look at one of Maher's other quotes, you indeed do both. Your skillz at deception are greater than you think.

Ooh, my skillz at deception... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Ooh, my skillz at deception. That sounds so sinister. You're scaring me.

Pointing to exactly what Maher did say equals "defending Surber", "justifying" what Surber said and "ignoring" what Surber said all at the same time.

Not only that, but I was telling you to "ignore Surber's lie" too.

Dang, I'm good!

If you're referring to your... (Below threshold)
Brian:

If you're referring to your reading comprehension, then no, you're not "good".

"justifying" what Surber said and "ignoring" what Surber said all at the same time.

If what you're justifying and what you're ignoring are different things, then yes. Are you not capable of that? To recap:

  • Surber says: A --> C
  • He's called out that A is a lie
  • You come along and argue: B --> C

So yeah, you're arguing to ignore A, and you're justifying C, even though it was based on A, shown to be a lie. All at the same time. Feel special? Too much for you to understand?

Perhaps I'm giving you too much credit, and you're just mindlessly rambling and hoping that you make some sense. Yeah, that seems more likely.




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