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Wait, so we aren't mistreating detainees at Gitmo?

Who woulda thunk it? I mean, jeez. The EEEEEVIL 'murricans led by that cowboy Bushitler MUST have been torturing those poor, innocent detainees at Guantanamo, right?

... right?

Wait... we aren't mistreating them??

A Pentagon review of conditions at the Guantanamo Bay military prison has concluded that the treatment of detainees meets the requirements of the Geneva Conventions but that prisoners in the highest-security camps should be allowed more religious and social interaction, according to a government official who has read the 85-page document.

The report, which President Obama ordered, was prepared by Adm. Patrick M. Walsh, the vice chief of naval operations, and has been delivered to the White House. Obama requested the review as part of an executive order on the planned closure of the prison at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, on the southeastern tip of Cuba.

So, let's review. Our hopey-changey new President made a bunch of promises that he'd close Gitmo, even though it would mean putting a bunch of bloodthirsty Islamic terrorists who want to kill us right on US soil, putting US citizens at risk. He promises all of this because of all the liberal whining about how awful the conditions at Gitmo are, and how we're mistreating them and torturing them and WAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!! So, as soon as Obama gets in office he orders the closing of Gitmo, and then orders a little fact-finding mission. Come to find out, Gitmo detainees are being treated just fine. Surely, those in the media and on the left will be rushing to retract their accusations.

I think it's crickets chirping that you're hearing right now.

And what about our new Dear Leader? Now that he knows the facts, will he rescind his order in the interests of keeping Americans safe? Don't count on it. Facts don't matter to liberals; only emotions do. And emotional liberals find it much more fulfilling to cry over perceived injustices that don't exist than to enlighten themselves with facts.

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Comments (23)

Obama cares more about inte... (Below threshold)

Obama cares more about international opinion than he cares about the safety of Americans.
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NOTE: You need to correct y... (Below threshold)
marc:

NOTE: You need to correct your link to the WaPo.

Wait for the military hater... (Below threshold)
John:

Wait for the military haters to accuse the Pentagon of a coverup...wait for it...waaaaait...

Of course we're not.<... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:

Of course we're not.

Did you forget who was elected?

NYTimes covered it also...<... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

NYTimes covered it also...

Pentagon Report Finds Guantanamo Humane, but Suggests More Human Contact - NYTimes.com

A Pentagon report requested by President Obama on the conditions at the Guantanamo Bay detention center concluded that the prison complies with the humane-treatment requirements of the Geneva Conventions. But it makes recommendations for improvements including increasing human contact for the prisoners, according to two government officials who have read parts of it.
I think Obama's going to rename it - instead of the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center it'll become the Guantanamo Bay Health Spa and Contemplative Retreat....
So, he closed and perfectly... (Below threshold)

So, he closed and perfectly working detention center? Does he have any clue what he is doing?

Good job, now what are you going to do them, since the GITMO worked. You cannot open another one. That would be hypocritical.

Oh...I forgot who we are talking about.


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Well there is really only o... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Well there is really only one thing to do:

ORDER A NEW INVESTIGATION, AND THIS TIME GET IT RIGHT!

Sheeeeesh....those military clowns are as bad as my cabinet vetting people!

Were you expecting the left... (Below threshold)
Jenn:

Were you expecting the leftards in this country to all of a sudden grow a spine and admit they were wrong?

....but that prisoners i... (Below threshold)

....but that prisoners in the highest-security camps should be allowed more religious and social interaction...

Yes, by all means, let's give the really high-ranking Al Qaedists MORE access to the very thing that inspires them to kill non-believing infidels and those god-forsaken Zionists.

Seriously, WTF.

You hit the nail on the hea... (Below threshold)

You hit the nail on the head.... "Facts don't matter to liberals; only emotions do. And emotional liberals find it much more fulfilling to cry over perceived injustices that don't exist than to enlighten themselves with facts." So very true!!!

Liberals worry so much abou... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Liberals worry so much about what others think of them. Thus, it leads to poor leadership and lack of a core. ww

What do we do with the GITM... (Below threshold)
Matt:

What do we do with the GITMO detainees when the GWOT is declared over? I don't think we want to keep them forever, trying them all and convicting them justly might not be possible, what's the options?

Do we send them home? Do we convict them and incarcerate them in some Federal Prison? Do we release them to Cuba? Do they all die of some mysterious death?

Matt, back to their home co... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Matt, back to their home country whether they want them or not. That is when the GWOT is over. It will be a great day when that happens. ww

Do we send them home? ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Do we send them home?

Sure, why not. To expedite, the plane won't even land. They get their virgins, we get rid of them. Sounds like a win-win to me.

"Do they all die of some my... (Below threshold)
SillyPuddy:

"Do they all die of some mysterious death?"
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What should have happened to most after gaining any valuable intel - quietly disappear them, but then we'd be playing to win and that's apparently just not 'fair' these days.

Facts don't matter to li... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Facts don't matter to liberals.

...I suggest wizbang readers read the testimony of specialist Brandon Neely. (Former Guard tells all).


He would be in a position to know, as he arrived in Guantánamo while the cages of Camp X-Ray were still being welded, and escorted the second detainee to hit the prison grounds. In this interview, Specialist Neely provides testimony of the arrival of the detainees in full sensory-deprivation garb, sexual abuse by medical personnel, torture by other medical personnel, brutal beatings out of frustration, fear, and retribution, the first hunger strike and its causes, torturous shackling, positional torture, interference with religious practices and beliefs, verbal abuse, restriction of recreation, the behavior of mentally ill detainees, possible isolation regime of the first six children in GTMO, utter lack of preparation for guarding individuals detained during the War on Terror, and his conversations with prisoners David Hicks and Rhuhel Ahmed.

For the Bush/Cheney torture was one of the perks of the job.


The Bush White House vehemently objected to provisions of the law dealing with rape by instrumentality. When House negotiators pressed to know why, they were met first with silence and then an embarrassed acknowledgement that a key part of the Bush program included invasion of the bodies of prisoners in a way that might be deemed rape by instrumentality under existing federal and state criminal statutes. While these techniques have long been known, the role of health care professionals in implementing them is shocking.

Neely's account demonstrates once more how much the Bush team kept secret and how little we still know about their comprehensive program of official cruelty and torture.


Come to find out, Gitmo ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Come to find out, Gitmo detainees are being treated just fine.

Gee, what a shock. Five years after Abu Ghraib, after all the publicity and investigations into torture (many of them confirming it), with the CIA publicly abandoning many criticized techniques, with the expiration of the torture-friendly Bush administration looming upon them, and with an anti-torture administration coming in... finally, after all that, a new report shows that FINALLY things have gotten cleaned up there, and you interpret this as the charges that we "MUST have been torturing" have been proven false.

You can't possibly be that illogical and naive, can you?

I don't know about what oth... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

I don't know about what other liberals objected to. When I was "whining" about it, my problem with Gitmo had less to do with treatment and conditions, and more with holding people indefinitely without charging them with any crime.
And yes, I know they're not US citizens.(The Constitution does not mention citizenship in regard to Habeus Corpus.) And yes, many of them undoubtedly have terrorist connections. But many may be innocent of any wrongdoing. How do we know they're terrorists? Because a government official says so?
I never thought I'd live to see the day that my government would hold for 7 years and more, someone who has been convicted of no crime, who hasn't been informed of the charges against him, and who has been given NO OPPORTUNITY to demonstrate that he is being wrongly held. Unbelievable.

Gee, what a shock. Five ... (Below threshold)

Gee, what a shock. Five years after Abu Ghraib, after all the publicity and investigations into torture (many of them confirming it)...

What does Abu Ghraib have to do with Gitmo? This isn't about Abu Ghraib. This is about Gitmo.

Who are "them"? The people at Abu Ghraib or Gitmo? Detainees? Their defense lawyers?

Which techniques did the CIA allegedly abandoned, and what proof do you have of their use?

"Cleaned up" under who? Obama? Hardly.

...anti-torture administration coming in.

What leads you to believe that? Because Obama ordered the use of the Army Field Manual for interrogations? You honestly think that if, by some miracle, Ayman al Zawihiri were caught tomorrow that the Army Field Manual would be followed? Really?

...report shows that FINALLY things have gotten cleaned up there...

For years the Red Cross has rountinely visited Gitmo, reporting on the condition of the prisoners. They proclaimed in Apr. 2006 that "Detention conditions at Guantanamo... have improved considerably...", and then patted themselves on the back for that, or what they meant by "considerably." They've even met with the high-valued detainees from Camp 7 two years ago. This report actually says nothing "new" in that regard, so what do you mean when you say "finally?" Based on what? Your perception of the situation? Official reports?

Crickmore:Private ... (Below threshold)

Crickmore:

Private Neely's extremely limited exposure to Gitmo detainees and their treatment is dubious and thin at best. And that's putting it kindly.

"Rape" is a pretty strong word to use, especially when one (Neely) is allegeding that that is what happened at the hands of medical personnel.

He describes body searches undertaken for no legitimate security purpose, simply to sexually invade and humiliate the prisoners.

How the f*** does Neely know what the medical personnel were examining the detainee for? Maybe Neely's never had a rectal exam or his balls checked for signs of hernia. Who knows what he thinks, but he sure as hell isn't qualified to be making assesments as to what was going on.

Moreover, yeah, I imagine it's a fairly uncomfortable experience to see another man stick his fingers in a man's rectum to do a rectal exam. It's also pretty reasonable to assume that the prisoner likely never had a rectal exam in his life, so yeah, I bet he resisted and made things more difficult than normal. Couple those together, and does not make for an overall nice experience. But to call it a "rape" is sick--and Pvt. Neely's case, likely educated--hyperbole of the highest and most twisted order.

Neely's account demonstrates once more how much the Bush team kept secret and how little we still know about their comprehensive program of official cruelty and torture.

Neely's account demonstrates nothing more than your ability to believe any and all stories that reinforce your negative view(s) or Gitmo and of the previous administration and its policies. Your recitation of Neely's account and acting as though it acts as some kind of "evidence" is pathetic and worthless.

What does Abu Ghraib hav... (Below threshold)
Brian:

What does Abu Ghraib have to do with Gitmo? This isn't about Abu Ghraib. This is about Gitmo.

This is about how we treat our prisoners, no matter where they are.

Which techniques did the CIA allegedly abandoned, and what proof do you have of their use?

Have you been living under a rock, or is it just your knee-jerk reaction to deny things, no matter how well they're known?

The CIA abandoned the use of waterboarding and certain other harsh methods as its treatment of detainees became a source of controversy. In July, President Bush signed an executive order meant to bring the CIA's interrogation methods into compliance with the Geneva Convention, which bars the mistreatment of detainees.

"Cleaned up" under who? Obama? Hardly.

No, clearly not. Did I say that? But when your boss's boss is about to be replaced, and you know that he's hostile to some of the things you do, I'll bet you'd stop doing them.

They proclaimed in Apr. 2006 that "Detention conditions at Guantanamo... have improved considerably

You're right, thanks to the media bringing things to our attention and the demands and outrage of the American people. Exactly the point. The Red Cross report said "improved", not "were always peachy". Yet more evidence that Cassy's position that the Pentagon report requires some to "retract their accusations" is manufactured garbage.

As Cassy might say, facts don't matter; only exclamation points do.

Have you been living und... (Below threshold)

Have you been living under a rock, or is it just your knee-jerk reaction to deny things, no matter how well they're known?

Yes, I knew about waterboarding. Everybody does. I thought you were making some vague reference to other form of torture. I simply ignored that well-known fact.

No, clearly not. Did I say that?

Yes, you never imply anything, Brian.

You're right, thanks to the media bringing things to our attention and the demands and outrage of the American people.

Oh please. It's groups like Amnesty International, Human Rigths Watch and so on that got their little buddies in the media all riled up that, who in turn saw to it that the public became 'outraged'. The media shot its load over claims by dubious people like Pvt. Neely, detainee defense lawyers and detainee claims.

I simply ignored that we... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I simply ignored that well-known fact.

And we have a winner.




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