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It's The Policy, Stupid

The White House is already breathlessly spinning the president's speech tonight as being Reaganesque, as if declaring these (as yet unspoken) words will rally the American people. Sayeth the sage Gibbs:

"He will," Gibbs said, "tell the country that we've faced ... greater challenges than the ones we face now, but we as Americans always meet those challenges. But in the Reaganesque words, there are always better days ahead."

After weeks of a non stop message of FEAR the Obama administration apparently thinks a pep talk is in order. Note to the White House: it's the policy, stupid. Markets have taken note of the inflationary spending bill, the doomed mortgage bailout scheme, the sunset of the Bush tax breaks, the promise of a tax increase on the wealthy (that means you small business) and the obvious lack of a plan to deal with the banking crisis and voted with their feet.

The country and the economy don't need another speech. We need better policy. President Obama is permanently stuck in campaign mode, and as DJ notes below, believes everyone still buys his pitch. It is manisfestly apparent that President Obama believes he can talk his way out of this bad economy and policy debacle. Smart people are betting otherwise.


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Get ready for the Good N... (Below threshold)

Get ready for the Good New Express!!!

Old way of reporting increases in un-employment:
"Un-employment rose to 10% today due to slumping sales figures..."

New way of reporting increases in un-employment:
"Un-employment ONLY rose to 10% today THANKS to President Obama's encouraging words...."

Gotta wonder if the MSM folks will actually start actually pom-poms??? (though I sure hope they don't put Helen Thomas in a cheerleader outfit!!)

Check out the Dow! Bernanke... (Below threshold)

Check out the Dow! Bernanke speaks and the stocks go up!Guess what he said?

That things will be alright in a year. What a concept? Tell the truth and be positive. But, of course he doesn't have the same agenda that Obama has.

http://franklinslocke.blogspot.com/

You forget, Joe Biden is in... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

You forget, Joe Biden is in charge of recovery.
I think I'll sit out the market for awhile.

Conservatives: must read! W... (Below threshold)

Conservatives: must read! Written by a lib, but we can turn the ideas around to use them for our own goals: http://tinyurl.com/moralmajority

This really isn't rocket sc... (Below threshold)

This really isn't rocket science...we (that is, primarily the press and Democrats) talked ourselves from a normal, corrective recession like we had 2000-2001 into a stronger recession (more like the early 80s) by relentlessly talking down the economy. Great Leader's tax cheat of a Treasury guy gets everyone wound up for a big speech to stop the panic and basically ends up telling everyone that we're spending trillions but don't really have a plan. The Dow immediately tanks by hundreds of points. Bernanke (who might be doing at least some things right because both the left and the right are going after him - Paul Volker, anyone?) gives a speech today acknowledging that things are tough and probably won't get better until mid-year, but then the recession may be over - in other words, tough love but with a focus on fiscal reality of 2009 when a relatively robust, mature economy can correct itself if the government doesn't submerge it. Result? Even though he, too, didn't give any nut or bolt details, the Dow's currently up over 3% and S&P more than 3.8%.

No, you can't usually base long-term market trends on specific items or single speeches - but you can judge investor moods based on how they react on the same day as a specific event or speech. Simple observation tells you that:

1) when Great Leader delayed naming for the Treasury and dithered about what he was going to do about the economy at the end of 2008 the market tanked and then tanked some more.

2) when Great Leader has talked down the economy along with his appointees - the market tanked and then tanked some more (so much that we plumbed depths never seen since the 90s)

3) when Bernanke gives a steadying speech saying, basically 'this too shall pass', the market soars.

Maybe it's just me, but it ... (Below threshold)
Tim:

Maybe it's just me, but it seems when Teh Messiah needs to buck up his credentials he always needs to have himself compared to Republican presidents. First it's Lincoln, now Ronald Reagan. We already know he's continuing George W Bush's tactics in the GWoT, maybe he'll slip up and start trying to compare himself to W so he can be seen in a more positive light. At least when Bill Clinton pulled this crap he tried to be compared to Democrats like JFK.

New headline tonight after ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

New headline tonight after Obama speech
"Overseas markets tumbled"

News headline tomorrow at noon.

"The dow had a slight setback this morning losing a mere 10% of their value. When asked for a reaction, President Obama showed he had faith in the American people by uttering one word "Courage""


President Obamateur - Sorry... (Below threshold)
Roy:

President Obamateur - Sorry you inherited such a mess, but some fools in Congress just wanted to vote Present for the last 4 years.

Oh, I don't know - as long ... (Below threshold)

Oh, I don't know - as long as he doesn't start in on nationalizing anything and avoids using the words 'gloom' or 'doom' or 'Great Depression' then the markets will likely gloss over what he has to say and focus on Bernanke since he appears to be the only adult in the room at the moment. If he stays away from specifics and talks about how we just need to work together and do the right thing the markets should shrug his speech off.

Of course, doing that will do nothing to help him advance his jumbo-jet-sized-codpiece-bold plan to wean America off of capitalism - so I doubt he'll be able to give a simple Reagan type of pep talk. They've got public sentiment running pretty well against "CEOs", those faceless villains, but to get them to revolt against their own bosses and accountants, that's going to take some more doing, I think.

Sour Grapes, eh?... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Sour Grapes, eh?

*Rumor Has It*Ente... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

*Rumor Has It*

Entertainment Tonight! is predicting that Obama is going to end tonight's speech by unveiling the new World's Cutest First Puppy® to the delight of his darling children and to everyone around the world watching.

Entertainment Tonight! has been given the exclusive rights to film the backstage events which will air on a special World's Cutest First Puppy® Prime Time special on Wednesday.

I agree - "the one" just kn... (Below threshold)

I agree - "the one" just knows how to campaign and give pep talks. It's all a bunch of fluff and flowery words. He doesn't know how to run anything. However - he's corrupt and sly and he will do anything he can to build his powers and socialize as much of the US as he can.

the markets would be thrill... (Below threshold)

the markets would be thrilled if he focused on a puppy instead of tampering with the free market anymore.

I wonder if Teh Messiah wil... (Below threshold)
Tim:

I wonder if Teh Messiah will give The World's Cutest First Puppy® to Betty Currie once he doesn't need him as a prop anymore, or if he'll just let him run out into the Hyde Park streets.

j58 - "Sour Grapes, eh?... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58 - "Sour Grapes, eh?"

No.

Sour financial policies that will lead to Barack Hussein Obama being hung (is that word racial?) with the moniker - Bush III.

Sour financial policies ... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Sour financial policies that will lead to Barack Hussein Obama being hung (is that word racial?) with the moniker - Bush III.

I'll see that Secret Service pay you a visit. You're not slick.

Sour financial policies tha... (Below threshold)
Tim:

Sour financial policies that will lead to Barack Hussein Obama being hung (is that word racial?) with the moniker - Bush III.


I'll see that Secret Service pay you a visit. You're not slickOh come on. He just wants you to see that Obama is whacked. In the head, that is. Remnants of those Columbia coke binges, doncha know.

MarcYou do not mak... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Marc

You do not make veil threats against our president & think you can get by with it! I'm sending the link to the proper authorities to let them decide.

You do not make veil thr... (Below threshold)
Tim:

You do not make veil threats against our president & think you can get by with it! I'm sending the link to the proper authorities to let them decide. Maybe they'll know the difference between "hung" and "hanged", 'cause you sure don't. Damn D students.

the markets have shown, tha... (Below threshold)
jmc:

the markets have shown, that investors thin it will take president Obama years to clean up the disaster that was president Bush.

j58 - "You do not make ... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58 - "You do not make veil threats against our president & think you can get by with it! I'm sending the link to the proper authorities to let them decide."

Oh!

Please do!

And PLEASE cc me a copy (marc - at- cranialcavity - dot - net)of the email you send to the "proper authorities" (not to include nifong)

More speeches from the One.... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

More speeches from the One. Well, THAT should help, shouldn't it?

Speeches are cheap. The Democrats know that very well. You can give speeches promising everything to everyone - you can give speeches about how this group will get so much and that group will get something taken from them, and you can end up getting votes! It's AMAZING! And the REALLY great thing is, most of the time the voter won't remember the promises!

But Obama's already WON. He's the President, the man in the hot seat, the man who has to come up with a PLAN. Not in six months, not next week - he needs to figure out what to do NOW.

And unfortunately, the Democrats haven't got much in the way of tools to fix things at this point. They've been pretty busy passing out money, but that's a lot like throwing popcorn to pigeons. They'll eat it, and all you get back in return is shit, and they're going to want MORE or they'll start pecking at YOU.

As Obama's been finding out.

I think the best thing Obama could do at this point is stop with the bailouts and pork. Go back into the Stimulus Bill, and take out EVERY increase in government spending and government project.

Yeah, all those little bits and pieces sound good - but so does a payday loan commercial. What you end up paying is WAY more than the amount you figure from the start. And each little program STARTED will be continued for decades to come... and they'll ALL have to be paid for. Better not to start them in the first place.

After that, announce a policy of no more bailouts. What's out there is all there's going to be. Live with it.

Yes, the unions will scream - after all, if GM isn't bailed out what will happen to their membership? Perhaps it's time for their members to decide if they'd rather keep their jobs at a lower pay rate, or keep their higher pay rate but lose the job.

Once people see that things are at least somewhat stable (as in 'not going to vary tremendously') then they can figure out what to do with their investments and businesses. Uncertainly is a killer in the marketplace - and we're seeing that.

But he'll probably have more promises of bailouts, and programs, and government created jobs. So don't be surprised if the Dow drops another 500 points in the next week.

"the markets have shown, th... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"the markets have shown, that investors thin it will take president Obama years to clean up the disaster that was president Bush."

Yeah, that's why every time Obama opens his mouth the Dow drops.

Investors dislike uncertainty. And that's ALL that's being served up right now.

j58 - "Count on it, you... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58 - "Count on it, you smart mouth mofo!"

GOOD, I'll look forward to it, and BTW to save you the leg-work, here's all the Secret Service contact info you could ever hope for.

Don't say I never gave you anything - "mofo!"

Justice58 See comm... (Below threshold)

Justice58

See comment #19.

Reading is Fundamental so either learn how to read or find another place to comment. And stop making threats.

Obama, you are no Ronald Re... (Below threshold)

Obama, you are no Ronald Reagan. You are no Abraham Lincoln. You are no JFK. Get your act together, you delusional narcissist.
http://www.rightklik.net/

j58 - "Don't bother mof... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58 - "Don't bother mofo. I GOT this! You can shove your info straight up your a$$! I'm not about to take your sh%t on posting veil threats against our President. You pushed it too damn far."

Got what? A blog comment?

One that in only your twisted little mind can think has anything related, even remotely, to a threat.

So, if the email info is unneeded just how will I be "reported"

Telepathy?

Justice -You're lo... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Justice -

You're looking like a fool here. You contact the Secret Service with this, and you'll look like a fool to them - someone who got in a pissing contest on a blog, and lost.

Dial back the ego, bud. Don't know who you're trying to impress, but you're coming off as very juvenile. Best take a break, get a glass of water, and calm down.

j58 needs to GO on a perman... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58 needs to GO on a permanent basis. But don't make it so until after I hear of who and where I get "reported" to.

I mean Jesus on a Segway I'd hate to miss it!

CNBC Media and Technology E... (Below threshold)

CNBC Media and Technology Editor:

"Remember the excited, butterflies-in-the-tummy feeling we had the first time we got to watch the newly elected President Obama address the nation?

One month later a queasy sense of dread emerges whenever he takes the lectern. As our new president prepares to address both houses of Congress at 9 p.m. eastern, the markets and investors brace for his next damaging soundbite.

"Every time the guy speaks, the Dow starts falling," complains one venture capitalist, Ross Manel of ReStart Group in Addison, Texas.

Bam was the Message Man during his incredible campaign for the presidency, besotting millions with his reassuring call for hope and change. Since taking office he has plied an entirely different--and wrongheaded--message, one of fear and fingerwagging, of crisis-mongering and retribution."

HughSStop making e... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

HughS

Stop making excuses for these rabid dogs! Marc tried to play it off. You know it. Don't play games. Just because you disagree with the President on policy issues doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want on a damn blog. Marc is lowlife trashy coward that think he can hide behind a blog with his punk ass.

Don't you lecture me on threats. Talk to Marc & others like him. I haven't made threats against anyone but you allow others to do so about our President. I'm not standing for it.
depp=true

j58 needs to GO on a per... (Below threshold)

j58 needs to GO on a permanent basis.

NOW you've done it! Just-a-dumbass58 will report you to the Secret Service for threatening him/her/it now! As one of Obamuhhh's lackeys, I'm sure it falls under their jurisdiction.

Maybe they'll know the d... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Maybe they'll know the difference between "hung" and "hanged", 'cause you sure don't. Damn D students.


Piss poor excuse!

"rabid dogs"Heh.</... (Below threshold)

"rabid dogs"

Heh.

"I'm not standing for it."

No, probably not, there's not much room to stand under bridges.

Piss poor excuse!</p... (Below threshold)

Piss poor excuse!

I agree. Your blinkered ignorance of the meaning of a commonly-used phrase in the English language is, indeed, a piss-poor excuse for your feigned outrage.

"Just because you disagr... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Just because you disagree with the President on policy issues doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want on a damn blog. Marc is lowlife trashy coward that think he can hide behind a blog with his punk ass."

...demands the commenter who says anything he wants on a "damn blog" while hiding behind a fake name on a blog.

Is that hypocrisy or irony? I forget.

Please...go #*ck yoursel... (Below threshold)

Please...go #*ck yourself.

I feel threatened! I'm reporting you to the Secret Service!!!1!11!!1!!one!!!1eleventy!

Justice is by far the bigge... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Justice is by far the biggest racist I have ever enountered. Weirdo's like her need to be just ignored Hey, that should be her name: Justignored. ww

j58 - "Marc is lowlife ... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58 - "Marc is lowlife trashy coward that think he can hide behind a blog with his punk ass."

Whose hiding? I gave you a REAL email address, gave you the correct and complete SS email list to "report" me AND use a REAL name signed to each and every comment here and each and every blog I both post at and author.

More for the obamaphile - "Don't you lecture me on threats. Talk to Marc & others like him. I haven't made threats against anyone

You've made no threats?

Oh! Wait? You're "threatening' me wasn't a threat, but a promise wasn't it?

Yeah Riiiight! You don't mind if I don't piss my pants waiting for a call from the SS do you? (Or nifong)

oyster - "Is that hypocrisy or irony? I forget."

Just a prime example of extreme asshattery.

j58P.S. The Englis... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58

P.S. The English language is your friend, you really need to put down your Ebonics dictionary and use a real one:

hung
   /hʌŋ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [huhng] Show IPA
-verb
1. pt. and pp. of hang.
-adjective
2. Slang: Vulgar. (of a male) having very large genitals.
--Idioms
3. hung over, Informal. suffering the effects of a hangover: On New Year's Day the houseguests were all hung over. Also, hungover.
4. hung up, Informal.
a. detained unavoidably.
b. stymied or baffled by a problem.
c. Baseball, Softball. (of a base runner) trapped between bases and in danger of being tagged out.
5. hung up on, Slang.
a. obsessed by: a clerk hung up on petty details.
b. infatuated with.

hang
   /hæŋ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hang] Show IPA verb, hung or, especially for 4, 5, 20, 24, hanged; hang⋅ing; noun
-verb (used with object)
1. to fasten or attach (a thing) so that it is supported only from above or at a point near its own top; suspend.
2. to attach or suspend so as to allow free movement: to hang a pendulum.
3. to place in position or fasten so as to allow easy or ready movement.
4. to put to death by suspending by the neck from a gallows, gibbet, yardarm, or the like.
5. to suspend (oneself) by the neck until dead: He hanged himself from a beam in the attic.
6. to fasten to a cross; crucify.
7. to furnish or decorate with something suspended: to hang a room with pictures.
8. to fasten into position; fix at a proper angle: to hang a scythe.
9. to fasten or attach (wallpaper, pictures, etc.) to a wall: to hang pictures in a room.
10. to suspend (something) in front of anything: to hang curtains on a window.
11. Fine Arts.
a. to exhibit (a painting or group of paintings): The gallery hung his paintings in a small corner.
b. to put the paintings of (an art exhibition) on the wall of a gallery: They hung the show that morning.
12. to attach or annex as an addition: to hang a rider on a bill.
13. to attach (a door or the like) to its frame by means of hinges.
14. to make (an idea, form, etc.) dependent on a situation, structure, concept, or the like, usually derived from another source: He hung the meaning of his puns on the current political scene.
15. (of a juror) to keep (a jury) from rendering a verdict by refusing to agree with the others.
16. Informal. to cause (a nickname, epithet, etc.) to become associated with a person: Friends hung that nickname on him.
17. Slang. to hit with (a fist, blow, punch, etc.): He hung a left on his opponent's jaw.
18. Baseball. to throw (a pitch) so that it fails to break, as a curve.
19. Nautical. to steady (a boat) in one place against a wind or current by thrusting a pole or the like into the bottom under the boat and allowing the wind or current to push the boat side-on against the pole.
20. (used in mild curses and emphatic expressions, often as a euphemism for damn): I'll be hanged if I do. Hang it all!

j58 - Have you ever heard the phrase "a mind is a terrible thing to waste?

It's far toooooo late for you!

Justice is by far the bi... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Justice is by far the biggest racist I have ever enountered.

How am I racist? I've never made a racist remark against anyone. Show me proof where I have made any racist remarks. Just because I support President Obama, Crystal Gail Mangum, Nifong...does that make me racist? It's just that I believe them 100% without a doubt.

MarcWho are you ki... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Marc

Who are you kidding? You know damn well what you meant. Rabid dog!

*snapping my shoes together... (Below threshold)
Ran56:

*snapping my shoes together, sending Just-ass back to DU*..

j58 - "How am I racist?... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58 - "How am I racist? I've never made a racist remark against anyone.... Just because I support President Obama, Crystal Gail Mangum, Nifong...does that make me racist? It's just that I believe them 100% without a doubt."

Yeah you support nifong, as long as he was chasing his dream of staying in the DA's office by filing false charges that led to his disbarment.

Now... you won't acknowledge anything was wrong with what he did despite the preponderance of evidence to the contrary AND his no longer being part of the DA office Or the FACT he can rightfully called a "lawyer."

That might not be "racial," but it dams sure shows an extreme bias of some knid.

j58 - "Who are you kidd... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58 - "Who are you kidding? You know damn well what you meant. Rabid dog!"

No I meant exactly what my elementary school teachers taught me, a group of people you either ignored, or you missed those classes and any and all subsequent grades.

P.S. Have you "reported" me yet? I'm growing weary of waiting.

BTW, Justice "D-student" 58... (Below threshold)
Tim:

BTW, Justice "D-student" 58, it's a veiled threat. Veiled. V-e-i-le-d. Not veil. A veil is what you obscure a veiled threat behind. The "D" should be easy for you to remember. Don't know what you're going to do about the extra "E". Maybe you could just say "veilfd threat". I'm pretty sure you're at least as aquainted with "F's" as you are "D's", if not more so. But hey, at least you get a "J" for effort!

you won't acknowledge an... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

you won't acknowledge anything was wrong with what he did despite the preponderance of evidence to the contrary AND his no longer being part of the DA office Or the FACT he can rightfully called a "lawyer


Nifong was doing his f-ing job that he was elected to do. He was seeking justice for a woman who happen to be black. Was he suppose to ignore her claim of rape? Hell no!

The country and the econ... (Below threshold)
TFS:

The country and the economy don't need another speech. We need better policy.

You've summed it up well! This is why the market is tanking.

We're in this mess because too many people bought into the "Hope Hype." Now reality is setting it and it ain't pretty.

But hey, at least ... (Below threshold)
marc:
But hey, at least you get a "J" for effort!
Buffoonery takes effort?

Not in all cases, in some it comes naturally. I give you j58 as a prime example.

Nifong was doing his f-ing ... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Nifong was doing his f-ing job that he was elected to do. I believe He was railroaded because of it.

Rope, trees and Dhimmicrati... (Below threshold)
Kat:

Rope, trees and Dhimmicratics. Justice58Troll- is that a threat? I dunno understandy.

Uh oh. Nifong is a HE not ... (Below threshold)
epador:

Uh oh. Nifong is a HE not a he now. Your Freudian slip is showing again. It seems to happen a lot. And I do believe a fair number of folks decided Nifong WASN"T doing his job the way he was supposed to, which is why he was "railroaded" out. But anything to DERAIL the comment thread, huh j58?

Nifong WASN"T doing his ... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Nifong WASN"T doing his job the way he was supposed to, which is why he was "railroaded" out.

Liar.
depp=true

J58 -You've got yo... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

J58 -

You've got your beliefs, but you seem to be in a real minority.

The Volokh Conspiracy - On Cooper, Nifong, and Actual Innocence:

The rap on Roy Cooper (the North Carolina Attorney General) among my friends who know a good bit about him is that he is overcautious -- a smart guy who is too often hesitant and a bit of a plodder. People I know who followed the investigation closely were confident that Cooper's investigators had concluded that the charges against the lacrosse players were without merit and that the lacrosse players were in fact innocent, but the betting money seemed to be that Cooper would issue a bland statement saying that there wasn't enough evidence to support a trial and leave it at that. That, after all, is the easy way out -- the path of least resistance. He could have said that there was insufficient evidence, and that he would not go beyond that characterization because no further statement about the strength of the evidence was necessary for his decision. And I imagine that his political advisors probably told him that this would be the politically safe route to take (I can see counter-arguments, but my guess is that would have been their advice).


I find it remarkable, then, that he went so much further, saying that the accused players were in fact innocent, that there was no credible evidence against them, that the accuser's many different statements could not be rectified and that she contradicted herself, etc. This was not a garden-variety statement about insufficient evidence but instead was about as complete a vindication as the defendants could have imagined. Indeed, I think that Cooper said just about everything that the defendants could have wanted. Cooper must have really been convinced.

One final note: A defense lawyer (or a libertarian) treating this as a cautionary tale about the awesome power of a "rogue prosecutor" to run amok is not a surprise. But an attorney general framing the case that way is more striking. Not that Nifong didn't deserve this drubbing -- just that I wasn't betting on it.
Don't know why you're so hot on exonerating Nifong, but I don't think you've got a chance - and you're looking like a fool sticking up for him.

So Justice D58 is a Nifong/... (Below threshold)
Tim:

So Justice D58 is a Nifong/Mangum supporter? Wow. And here I thought she was just stupid. I didn't know she'd gone Full Retard. You never go Full Retard.

I'm doing you a favor.... (Below threshold)

I'm doing you a favor.

Learn ware 2 put yer conson... (Below threshold)
epador:

Learn ware 2 put yer consonants and the vowels will follow.

Justice58 -Had som... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Justice58 -

Had something written out which might help you a bit - but do you want to hear it?

Wow.After reading ... (Below threshold)
apb:

Wow.

After reading through the comments I have to agree that j58 has, in fact, gone Full Retard. I felt my IQ actually plummet while reading the spew it deposited on this site.

Had something written ou... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Had something written out which might help you a bit - but do you want to hear it?

Hell No!

Ah, hell. Whether you want... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Ah, hell. Whether you want it or not, here it is.

Disagreement isn't the same thing as disrespect, and disrespect isn't the same thing as disagreement. It's quite possible to disagree with someone without being abusive or disrespectful. (Waves at Bruce Henry.)

But it's hard to get yourself taken seriously when you add disrespect to your disagreement. You come on, are both disrespectful AND disagreeable, and are quite loud in your disagreement. Well, disagreement is one thing, but you're putting way too much effort into being as disagreeable and disrespectful as you can manage. Maybe you figure you need it, but a well-crafted argument is MUCH more persuasive that calling people names.

When you start getting disemvoweled, you're not far at all from getting banned. This isn't a public forum where all have a right to post anything you want - it's a moderated one and they WILL yank your right to post here.

Think of it as going to a party, hitting people in the face at random, puking in the punchbowl, and THEN demanding to be an honored and respected guest. What do you think the odds are that's going to happen?

Like I said earlier - you need to dial back the ego. Try to argue with verifiable facts instead of emotion, and you'll find you get more respect.

I'm making the assumption that's what you want, of course. If not - if you're simply in here to sling shit and be an annoying whatever - then that's fine. You probably won't be here much longer, and you'll have yourself to blame when you get banned.

Not that you'll see anything YOU did as the problem, of course - it's all those mean people who wouldn't respect your point of view!

You do not make veil thr... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

You do not make veil threats against our president & think you can get by with it! I'm sending the link to the proper authorities to let them decide.

Will you be stamping your foot down and crying out to mummy, whilst you are at it as well?

Justice, how old are you...... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Justice, how old are you...eight?

Maybe they'll know the d... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Maybe they'll know the difference between "hung" and "hanged", 'cause you sure don't. Damn D students.


Piss poor excuse!

hung - past participle of "hang", used intransitively to describe something affixed allowing the lower half to move freely (like a sign).

hanged - past tense only used to describe execution by rope around neck.

Summary: Poor joke, because a)wrong verb conjugation used, but not a death thread.

Justice: get a fucking life.

Why are you taking away ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Why are you taking away my vowels and no one else. You're being prejudice against me.

Because you are an arsehole, and the moderator is exercizing his/her right to edit your comment because you are a waste of bandwidth. Go cry to daddy.

2. Slang: Vulgar. (of a ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

2. Slang: Vulgar. (of a male) having very large genitals.
--Idioms

There you go, Justice...complain to the SS that Marc said that the O has a big wanger!

There you go, Justice...... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

There you go, Justice...complain to the SS that Marc said that the O has a big wanger!


So.

JLawson,You've tur... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

JLawson,

You've turned a blind eye to what these rabid dogs say to me. Don't tell me you don't see it. It's very easy. Just go back and read the posts. They are disrespectful to me first and you know it. Am I not to defend myself?

By you requesting that I show them respect...they are allowed to disrespect me without consequences. You call that fair?
depp=true
notiz=Disrespect of Wizbang will get you disemvoweled.

I didn't disrespect you. I ... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

I didn't disrespect you. I asked if you called it fair to treat me different. Pray tell? How is that disrespect?

J58 -You did the '... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

J58 -

You did the 'sour grapes' routine, and the reply was that Obama might be hung with the label "BushIII" - (which I've seen bandied about elsewhere for his support of Bush's security policies) at which point you started making threats.

You came in, started trying to be a bully, ("I'm gonna report you to the Secret Service!!!") and you didn't like the way you were laughed at. Your 'defense' degenerated quickly after that.

I really don't think you're stupid, so why in the hell are you acting like some punk tweener looking to pick a fight?

And at this point, you've got a reputation here, and it's not a good one. Figure you've got one strike against you to start, until you behave long enough to erase it - and anything you post that's annoying to a moderator will probably get you disemvowelled.

When you get pissed off in an on-line argument, sometimes the best thing to do is walk away from it. Cool off, come back, and restate your argument - or not, because nothing said here will have any real effect in the real world. Life's too short to bear grudges, or argue for the sake of argument.

We're all here for fun, after all - to discuss and argue and maybe learn something we didn't know before. Come in with an open mind, and you might realize you don't know half as much as you think you do - or you may have a take on something that we didn't realize. I've learned quite a bit from the folks here, and hope I've given as good as I've gotten.

Good night to you - and try and think about some of this stuff, okay?

1. The media will never adm... (Below threshold)
Magic:

1. The media will never admit that Obama is a fool and a con artist, so never
expect that.
2. Mr. Obama has no idea how to solve America's problems and could care less
he only wants to get in the history books as the first sorta black president and
put lots of public funds in his undisclosed bank accounts.

The current joke running around Washington DC is

You will never get a picture of Obama's back from the media, because they have not figure out an excuse to explain why Harry and Nancy's arms are sticking out his butt.




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